CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

cloudatlas

Steve F wrote: »

This ^^

The number of times I've seen .."when this all blows over....."

It's NOT going to blow over completely sadly.It will "subside" be "pushed back" but highly likely here to stay...just like seasonal 'flu

Sorry how do you know that? Suggestions are that immunity is possible.

Scotty #

patnor1011 wrote: »

Stuff like toilett paper will be gone amongst the first as noone will be interesting in shipping air

More nonsense. Our toilet roll is produced in this country.

caveat emptor

Example of people reading between the lines. Most white-collar jobs quietly going against government ‘guidance’ and advising them to work from home.



“The numbers of passengers travelling on London’s Tube network has fallen by nearly a fifth, while the numbers on buses are down 10%, compared to the same time last year, according to a statement by Transport for London.

It is significant that the Tube numbers are down more than the buses, as my colleague Jim Waterson, the Guardian media editor, pointed out as he sent in this information.

Commuters travelling on the Tube, which is more expensive and connects the city centre to the suburbs, tend to be drawn from higher socio-economic groups, who tend to work white-collar jobs and are more able to work from home.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/16/coronavirus-live-updates-us-cdc-events-europe-lockdown-uk-deaths-australia-france-italy-spain-update-latest-news?page=with:block-5e6f65758f085c6327bc0aa3#liveblog-navigation

CIARAN_BOYLE

Irish Stones wrote: »

Can anybody sincerely and frankly explain to me why people are panic buying toilet rolls?
What kind of fear is this?


I am Italian and live in Italy, over here all shelves are fully stocked and nobody is panic buying toilet paper.
I went shopping an hour ago and the aisle was full to the brim of rolls.


Why is this happening in the rest (or most countries) of the world?

Was trying to figure out the toilet paper shortages myself last week. I came to the following conclusions.

1. The toilet paper shortages are happening mainly because of Australia.
2. People see Australian shortages and try to get ahead of that.
3. Australia had reasons (not good reasons) to believe there would be a shortage (importing from China) so people stockpiled.
4. There are people for whom stocking up on toilet paper makes sense (my parents want to avoid public transport during the crisis so are going to walk to and from a local shop {instead of getting a bus to a bigger shop}. Toilet paper is very annoying to carry when doing a large shop).
5. People are idiots.
6. If my shop is out of toilet paper I will find a shop selling toilet paper and stockpile because I don't want hassle of looking for it.

sudzs

OneColdHand wrote: »

"Clayton Hotel"

"PM please"

Scotty #

cloudatlas wrote: »

Sorry how do you know that? Suggestions are that immunity is possible.

It's not so much you become immune, but with coronavirus generally you are less effected on 2nd and subsequent infections.

cloudatlas

If the toilet roll runs out then you use a series of wash clothes that you wash. Stop being babies about the goddamn toilet roll.

Blanco100

Some people love panic. I get the impression alot of posters here will be gutted when all of this is over.

If Ireland is full of event junkies then the supposed end of the world is classified as an event aswell

fritzelly

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Was trying to figure out the toilet paper shortages myself last week. I came to the following conclusions.

1. The toilet paper shortages are happening mainly because of Australia.
2. People see Australian shortages and try to get ahead of that.
3. Australia had reasons (not good reasons) to believe there would be a shortage (importing from China) so people stockpiled.
4. There are people for whom stocking up on toilet paper makes sense (my parents want to avoid public transport during the crisis so are going to walk to and from a local shop {instead of getting a bus to a bigger shop}. Toilet paper is very annoying to carry when doing a large shop).
5. People are idiots.
6. If my shop is out of toilet paper I will find a shop selling toilet paper and stockpile because I don't want hassle of looking for it.

Just number 5

cloudatlas

Scotty # wrote: »

It's not so much you become immune, but with coronavirus generally you are less effected on 2nd and subsequent infections.

Who knows?! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOSwYGhmnwo

Shn99

weisses

Lyanna Some Gut wrote: »

Student nurses are being brought in as part of a recruitment drive to assist qualified nurses. That's a positive step.

source ?

fritzelly

Scotty # wrote: »

It's not so much you become immune, but with coronavirus generally you are less effected on 2nd and subsequent infections.

And generally it's worse

bekker

cloudatlas wrote: »

Sorry how do you know that? Suggestions are that immunity is possible.

Virtually anything is possible, doesn't mean that it is probable or likely, especially with no evidence currently available to support the assertion.

Wibbs

patnor1011 wrote: »

Nope.
Every country government will at some stage start massaging statistics. There is way too much at stake so they are all at it.
The only exception are communist governments. They lie brazenly and right from the start.

Interestingly P John Hopkins University, the World Economic forum and the Gates foundation had an imaginary pandemic exercise last October called Event 201 and one thing mentioned in their debate was the use of “narrative management” to prevent hysteria. In essence a nice way to call for some level of propaganda and/or censorship to keep too many in society from going apesh1t. So not too far from what many in the West reckon China did.

Though as it's turning out there doesn't appear to be too much of that from on high for the most part and any hysterics are more to be found at ground level and morons on various social media platforms believing every little thing when they hear their phones pinging they've a new text, whatsapp, facebook or email.

Jim_Hodge

weisses wrote: »

source ?

My niece was called in but it's to man phones rather than nursing duties at present.

lawred2

Scotty # wrote: »

It's not so much you become immune, but with coronavirus generally you are less effected on 2nd and subsequent infections.

there is no empirical evidence to support that assertion..

Christy42

Necro wrote: »

Phrases to be exterminated from existence post virus issues:

"The Horse has bolted"

"Lockdown"

"Source?"

That is all.

Boards should set up a bit to post source after half the posts here. Too many rumours flying around and people need to be reminded it is all unsubstantiated.

1800_Ladladlad

Today I watched a methhead look like of Rod Stewart pick up every type of bread in the bakery of super value using their bare hands, mauling it. Her husband was stood beside her blowing his nose into a tissue and puts it into his pocket. They should know better since they are in the at-risk group. Loads of people with buggies and additional children. One kid had rubber cloves and I think he had the whole hand in his mouth at one stage I can guarantee the kid was touching everything.

What is it going to take for people to take this seriously?:mad:

scamalert

Red for Danger wrote: »

You're missing the point!!!

Everyday you do your food shopping carries with it a degree of risk. If i have to go out and interact with people id prefer to to so on a lower risk day. 3 weeks ago was a lot less risky than now a weeks time will probably be more risky. More people will have it it will be on more surfaces! No?

3 months ago had no risk! 9 months time will hopefully have no risk

By being well stocked you have a better chance to avoid the very worst days to be out shopping

What is so difficult to get about this?

how much risk exactly ? without being hysteric, as i know that theres 100 dead this year from flu, only couple cases regarding covid, even stats wordwide shift towards mass recoveries hand in hand with infected ones, unless your delirious we dont live in utopia where everyone gets to live to 100 years, people die each day, in way higher chances. accepting reality for some seems the issue not the virus.

is_that_so

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

My niece was called in but it's to man phones rather than nursing duties at present.

It may well be part of the HSE redeployment and they have lifted recruitment restrictions.

Downlinz

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Her husband was stood beside her blowing his nose into a tissue and puts it into his pocket.

what else is he supposed to do with it? :pac:

TheAsYLuMkeY

With all the mentions and searches online for the WHO, i wonder which band will be the most popular searched for band of 2020,

Cody montana

Back from Killarney.
Weird seeing very little tourists.

_feedback_

Loughc wrote: »

I deffo work for a non essential company but we have been told we are remaining open no matter what and that lockdown can’t legally stop us from closing.

Would imagine that social pressure will force businesses like this to close (if it comes to that point) - business suicide to carry on if the guidelines tell us to stop..

Xertz

I don’t know if it’s been posted before but I am beyond furious:

Here I am on lockdown because I’ve cold symptoms and this was going on last night.

Bouncer even shone some kind of strobe LED torch at the filming camera phone to disrupt it.

https://twitter.com/gearoidmurphy_/status/1239337633882529792?s=21

megatron989

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Today I watched a methhead look like of Rod Stewart pick up every type of bread in the bakery of super value using their bare hands, mauling it. Her husband was stood beside her blowing his nose into a tissue and puts it into his pocket. They should know better since they are in the at-risk group. Loads of people with buggies and additional children. One kid had rubber cloves and I think he had the whole hand in his mouth at one stage I can guarantee the kid was touching everything.

What is it going to take for people to take this seriously?:mad:

Wouldn't buy anything unpacked or the like at the moment. Savages.

rubberdungeon

weisses wrote: »

source ?

Meanwhile, it has emerged the Government has started emergency planning for the Covid-19 crisis to extend beyond June amid fears up to 50,000 people may fall critically ill with the virus.

Measures to support Irish hospitals will now include trainee doctors and nurses being introduced early at hospitals and nursing homes in a bid to ease mounting pressure on frontline staff.

Third-year nursing graduates will have their placements used to undertake secondary roles and free experienced nursing staff for frontline deployment.

Graduate fifth-year doctors from Irish medical schools have been informed their internship placements will be brought forward two and three months to May - providing Irish hospitals with a vital extra manpower boost.

Junior doctors are undergoing training in specialist intubation procedures - essentially the insertion of a breathing tube through the mouth and into the airway.

Traditionally, intubation was only done by senior doctors. However, health chiefs are desperate to ease the pressure on consultants and registrars given the expected explosion in the number of Covid-19 patients requiring ventilators.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ryanair-expects-majority-of-fleet-grounded-in-7-10-days-as-thousands-to-be-offered-mercy-flights-home-from-spain-39046722.html

paul71

weisses wrote: »

source ?

I heard that on an interview this morning on Newstalk. Pat Kenny speaking to an INO representative. She said 4th year student nurses are being brought in immediately, 1st to 3rd year can potentially be used but they are wary of calling back retirees because of the age profile.

jamesf85

pH wrote: »

Here's the problem with this:
Ireland has around 250 ICU beds. But let's be generous and say that somehow we get that number up to 500 and they aren't needed for anything else apart from cov-19 cases. Let's also be extremely optimistic and say that each person needs the bed for only 10 day, this means that a theoretically highly stretched Irish health service could cope with 50 new severe covid-19 cases per day (in a highly unrealistic scenario where the beds are being used for just this)

We also know that that for a population like we have somewhere around 5% of cases will need this type of intensive care. Which means that again, in theory we could have 1,000 people a day being infected and 'barely' cope. This would still lead to around 1% 'unavoidable' mortality rate, but we as a society would not be letting anyone die unnecessarily.

So estimates for herd immunity vary, but 70% is not unreasonable ie. 3,400,000 people based on the current pop of Ireland. So you can see that those advocating 'flattening the curve' to keep corona virus below the capacity of the health service, if they were being honest would be talking about a period of 3,400 days (ie just short of 10 years) until this 'herd immunity' is reached. This would be 10 years of continual lock-down (slow virus transmission scenarios) which is clearly nonsense.

This is scary. So what? The UK solution is the way to go?

Kermit.de.frog

WE WILL PREVAIL

iguana

Wibbs wrote: »

Did you not read the part where I pointed out in even the heaviest lock down in China and elsewhere people were still allowed to go to the shops, or supplies were delivered to them.


Nobody is starving or running out anywhere this dose has been running and it's been running since the New Year in the Far East. Now things might change, though I doubt it, but at this point in time you're falling back on hysterics in the face of panic over your normal routines being threatened.

It's not just that. Last month when I realised how things were likely to go I started to stock up on food stuffs that would see me and my son through a period of illness at home. Soup, creamed rice, tinned fruit, cartons of custard, honey, nice teas, a 24 pack of coke (as I find it settles my stomach while providing a hit of caffeine), small cartons of juice, crackers, sweets to suck on, smoothie ingredients, noodles and tinned spaghetti that my son will eat if he feels ok but I'm not really able to cook for him, etc. I'm not worried about the food supply completely drying up. I was worried about how I'd sustain the two of us if I can barely get out of bed.

I had a bad flu at the end of January and that sucked as I didn't have much food in the house that I felt up to eating. And from what I've read about Covid-19, being able to stay fed and hydrated is likely to help your body fight back. I was also able to have my parents mind my son and bring me bits and pieces when I was sick. That's not likely to be an option if I get this because I don't see anyway that I get this and my son doesn't, so I can't send him to someone else if I'm sick. Now I have less to worry about and if I'm sick, I am very hopefully in a position to ride it out at home as safely as possible. I got bits and pieces in different shops every few days along with my day-to-day shopping. And was pretty much finished early in March and have been largely able to avoid shops since the announcement on Thursday drove half the country insane.

I feel we need to do more to make this lockdown actually work.

I had to drive to the office to pick up my laptop. I saw kids out playing/hanging out and parents our and about with their kids.

No point in any of this if people are treating it like a holiday.

Wibbs

Red for Danger wrote: »

You're missing the point!!!

Everyday you do your food shopping carries with it a degree of risk. If i have to go out and interact with people id prefer to to so on a lower risk day. 3 weeks ago was a lot less risky than now a weeks time will probably be more risky. More people will have it it will be on more surfaces! No?

3 months ago had no risk! 9 months time will hopefully have no risk

By being well stocked you have a better chance to avoid the very worst days to be out shopping

What is so difficult to get about this?

Oh FFS. If and I say if it gets that bad, shopping will be staggered, specific opening times etc and limited numbers and people being made to stay apart(cos it seems too many are too fcuking thick to observe this themselves). Wrap a thick scarf around your mouth and nose(about as effective as a surgical mask), wash your hands before you go out, wash your hands when you come back. Job done and short of a full hazmat rigout lessens the risks as much as possible.

Oh and you should be doing this already by the by. You have zero clue who or how many are infected in the general population. If anything there was more risk for those queueing arse to tit for an hour fartin, coughing and sneezing while shuffling Lidl trolleys weighed down with booze, bogroll and pasta last week, or those getting pints in at the weekend, or going to cafes. With more regulated vigilance, more people self isolating because of new restrictions, restrictions on times for shopping and lower numbers of more (hopefully)vigilant customers your risk actually goes down in the "worst days" as you call them. Put it another way, it's less risky to walk the streets of Italy today than it was three weeks ago.

Sawduck

Cody montana wrote: »

Back from Killarney.
Weird seeing very little tourists.

I was to go down there myself this week but cancelled last Thursday, I can imagine it being a ghost town

is_that_so

Another summary of what's going on in relation to vaccine research.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/when-will-a-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-be-ready-human-trials-global-immunisation

Exclamation Marc

Steve F wrote: »

This ^^

The number of times I've seen .."when this all blows over....."

It's NOT going to blow over completely sadly.It will "subside" be "pushed back" but highly likely here to stay...just like seasonal 'flu

True. But not everyone will get it. Some people for example have never gotten the flu. Even worse case scenarios envision 80% infection whereas the reality is hopefully around 40-60% if not lower (again, hopefully).

thomas 123

iguana wrote: »

It's not just that. Last month when I realised how things were likely to go I started to stock up on food stuffs that would see me and my son through a period of illness at home. Soup, creamed rice, tinned fruit, cartons of custard, honey, nice teas, a 24 pack of coke (as I find it settles my stomach while providing a hit of caffeine), small cartons of juice, crackers, sweets to suck on, smoothie ingredients, noodles and tinned spaghett that my son will eat if he feels ok but I'm not really able to cook for him, etc. I'm not worried about the food supply completely drying up. I was worried about how I'd sustain the two of us if I can barely get out of bed.

I had a bad flu at the end of January and that sucked as I didn't have much food in the house that I felt up to eating. And from what I've read about Covid-19, being able to stay fed and hydrated I was also able to have my parents mind my son and bring me bits and pieces when I was sick. That's not likely to be an option if I get this because I don't see anyway that I get this and my son doesn't, so I can't send him to someone else if I'm sick. Now I have less to worry about and if I'm sick, I am very hopefully in a position to ride it out at home as safely as possible. I got bits and pieces in different shops every few days. And have been largely able to avoid shops since the announcement on Thursday drove half the country insane.

I’d have that 24 cans gone by now.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Sawduck wrote: »

According to my source on WhatsApp the horse has bolted from the Clayton Hotel, the army have been called in and a lock down is in place from 11am tomorrow, but hey its just the flu bro, anyone up for a pint at temple bar?

The videos looked apocalyptic

Snow Garden

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh FFS. If and I say if it gets that bad, shopping will be staggered, specific opening times etc and limited numbers and people being made to stay apart(cos it seems too many are too fcuking thick to observe this themselves). Wrap a thick scarf around your mouth and nose(about as effective as a surgical mask), wash your hands before you go out, wash your hands when you come back. Job done and short of a full hazmat rigout lessens the risks as much as possible.

Oh and you should be doing this already by the by. You have zero clue who or how many are infected in the general population. If anything there was more risk for those queueing arse to tit for an hour fartin, coughing and sneezing while shuffling Lidl trolleys weighed down with booze, bogroll and pasta last week, or those getting pints in at the weekend, or going to cafes. With more regulated vigilance, more people self isolating because of new restrictions, restrictions on times for shopping and lower numbers of more (hopefully)vigilant customers your risk actually goes down in the "worst days" as you call them. Put it another way, it's less risky to walk the streets of Italy today than it was three weeks ago.

A retailer said to me yesterday that it's shameful that people have stockpiled hand sanitizer at home and shops aren't able to procure it and offer it to customers coming in and out.

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I feel we need to do more to make this lockdown actually work.

I had to drive to the office to pick up my laptop. I saw kids out playing/hanging out and parents our and about with their kids.

No point in any of this if people are treating it like a holiday.

Italy done what we are doing now.

Took it as a holiday.

Now look where they are.

Wibbs

iguana wrote: »

It's not just that. Last month when I realised how things were likely to go I started to stock up on food stuffs that would see me and my son through a period of illness at home. Soup, creamed rice, tinned fruit, cartons of custard, honey, nice teas, a 24 pack of coke (as I find it settles my stomach while providing a hit of caffeine), small cartons of juice, crackers, sweets to suck on, smoothie ingredients, noodles and tinned spaghett that my son will eat if he feels ok but I'm not really able to cook for him, etc. I'm not worried about the food supply completely drying up. I was worried about how I'd sustain the two of us if I can barely get out of bed.

Well to be fair I, if you're a lone parent or a lone carer looking after someone I can see the value in having some leeway alright. For healthy people on their own or two parent families not nearly so much, though the hoarding hamster is a strong drive in the face of a crisis, hence the panic buying stuff. It's not logical for most. QV runs on bogroll and pasta.

kyote00

my missus was laid off this morning... she would be more than happy to take over for you...

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I work in Public Service and so does the girlfriend. Been told we cant take time off (paid) and cant work from home (no laptops)

We need to leave our son with his grandparents.

We have no choice.

Great wee country

show me the money.1

Deleted User wrote: »

I feel we need to do more to make this lockdown actually work.

I had to drive to the office to pick up my laptop. I saw kids out playing/hanging out and parents our and about with their kids.

No point in any of this if people are treating it like a holiday.

What lockdown???

ThePopehimself

Irish Stones wrote: »

Can anybody sincerely and frankly explain to me why people are panic buying toilet rolls?
What kind of fear is this?


I am Italian and live in Italy, over here all shelves are fully stocked and nobody is panic buying toilet paper.
I went shopping an hour ago and the aisle was full to the brim of rolls.


Why is this happening in the rest (or most countries) of the world?

We are hard-wired, this Professor explains it in simple terms: He wrote 'The Psychology of Pandemics' 2009

Dr. Stephen Taylor, professor and clinical psychology at the University of British Columbia.

“Why toilet paper?”

“One thing that happens during pandemics, when people are threatened with infection, is that their sensitivity to disgust increases. They are more likely to experience the emotion of disgust and are motivated to avoid that,” …

“...Disgust is like an alarm mechanism that warns you to avoid some contamination. So if I see a hand railing covered in saliva I’m not gonna touch it, I’m gonna feel disgust. And that keeps us safe.

“So there is a very tight connection between fear of getting infected and disgust. And what better tool for eliminating disgusting material than toilet paper. I think this is how it became a conditioned symbol of safety,” he said.

Stockpiling of general items can be partly explained by people’s need to feel like they are prepared.

“When you’re presented with a pandemic, a big new, scary thing, and the government is telling us that we don’t need to do anything special to deal with it — just wash your hands and so on — people feel the need to do something to prepare. So people are stocking up as a way of preparing themselves. When people do that, it's inevitable that some people are going to over shop.”

nacho libre

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

True. But not everyone will get it. Some people for example have never gotten the flu. Even worse case scenarios envision 80% infection whereas the reality is hopefully around 40-60% if not lower (again, hopefully).

if what posters are saying is true about the messages not getting through to a lot of people, i would not be confident of the figure being lower than 40 per cent. Also does anyone see a situation arising where all flight will be grounded. I mean how do you maintain social distance on a Ryanair flight, maybe if the plane is half empty it works.

fifth

Snow Garden wrote: »

A retailer said to me yesterday that it's shameful that people have stockpiled hand sanitizer at home and shops aren't able to procure it and offer it to customers coming in and out.

Haven't been able to find a single bottle of hand sanitiser anywhere in weeks. People must have been stockpiling it surely? We are just regular old hand washing here and being mindful, staying in away from other people for now.

Hobgoblin11

Jesus the Chinese are equipped to cope with this type of virus, the west is being exposed

Beasty

As the new forum is now visible at the top of the CA front page I'm moving this thread over now

In the meantime, there will be no LOCKDOWN, and everything should proceed as normal:pac:

bennyineire

Sawduck wrote: »

According to my source on WhatsApp the horse has bolted from the Clayton Hotel, the army have been called in and a lock down is in place from 11am tomorrow, but hey its just the flu bro, anyone up for a pint at temple bar?

LOL's you nearly got me there :pac::pac::pac: