CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

dublin99

caveat emptor wrote: »

I don't think people stock piled hand sanitizer. I think it was down to many more people buying it than usual. Also people with family in china and italy probably posted them to family. Maybe next time try anticipate what could occur before you get price gauged.

It wasn't hard. Just look at china and Italy. Then close your eyes and imagine that it could happen here.

Alternatively read boards.ie and try and judge who the more credible posters are.

All of which is not rocket science. We live in a market based economy with winners and losers. You could ask government to tell the distilleries to pump out stronger alcohol so we can use it for our hands rather than drinking it.

I make my own:

2 parts 70% Isopropyl Alcohol
1 part Aloe Vera Gel (Mine also has tea tree oil, leftover from use as after-sun in summer)
Few drops essential oil for fragrance.

I use a recycled/sterilised hand wash bottle with pump. Voila!

Nermal

pH wrote: »

No the only 'real' option currently is:

(1) Aggressively manage the current outbreak:
Hand Hygiene / Social distancing
If you have a cough/fever/symptoms you must remain isolated
If you have been in contact with someone with the virus you should quarantine.
Test and track cases
As much lockdown (schools/bars/etc.) as the public can handle.

If you get everything right like South Korea seems to have done done you can get on top of an outbreak in around 6 weeks.

(2a) Cycle between managing outbreaks and 'normal living' every 6 weeks approximately until a medical breakthrough like a vaccine (*maybe 12 months)

(2b) China style quarantining : Set aside secure hotels/locations where everyone coming to the country (returning or visiting) must quarantine for 14 days. Again this will need to continue until a medical breakthrough. This seems like a high price to pay but if it stops a 6 week outbreak/normal cycle then it might be worth it.

They are just not realistic options. The public will not accept them and nor should they.

nacho libre

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A warning on the vaccine thing.

Companies and scientists around the world will be putting out stories of vaccines every single day. The vast majority will be false and never come to fruition.

There is also a hugely complex testing regime that has to be undertaken which takes a long time.

Notions of vaccines being available "in months" is rubbish.

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The Daily Mail were being classy as ever with a recent story about a vaccine by June.
As you say more effective treatments are more likely to be developed before a vaccine becomes available

cloudatlas

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

I hope EU countries come together and restrict travel to/from countries such as China and Vietnam where wild animals are used for food and medicine

It might force those countries to stop trade in wild animals, reduce chance of a new virus arising (existing one mutating), and help nature.

China has really ****ed the world over with this virus

We are so economically reliant on China that will never happen also it’s xenophobia. Majority of Chinese people are innocent in all this why should they suffer.

dan786

Spain the next Italy

The regional leader of Spain's Catalonia, Quim Torra, has said he has tested positive for the coronavirus and that he was going into self-isolation in a government building.

Catalan deputy head of government, Pere Aragones, announced yesterday that he had also tested positive.

weldoninhio

Snow Garden wrote: »

A retailer said to me yesterday that it's shameful that people have stockpiled hand sanitizer at home and shops aren't able to procure it and offer it to customers coming in and out.

Seen a good one on Twitter from someone in Copenhagen. Was a sign in a shop allegedly.


Hand sanitiser - €5
2nd bottle of hand sanitiser - €150.

BigMo1

Would it be a good idea for anyone who goes outside to wear a mask? Seems to have had a positive effect in other regions and may halt the spread here.

dan786

Update from Scottish government

As of 2pm today 4,895 Scottish tests have concluded - 4,724 confirmed negative, 171 positive. Death toll remains at 1.

Beasty

OneColdHand wrote: »

"Clayton Hotel"

Jeez!!
That is so "Coronavirus Part 2"


:pac:

Syncpolice

No reason to wait now on stricter measures the way it's going on mainland europe

Unfortunate for family members set to lose jobs but faster is best

ironingbored

Video message from Giovanni Zampino a 40-year old who's been in intensive care at the Maria Vittoria hospital in Turin for a week.
He was admitted to hospital with his father Antonio, both diagnosed with Covid-19. Giovanni is winning his battle while his father Antonio (76) lost his. The last time he saw his father was when they were admitted and he discovered he was dead in a text offering condolences. "I think he died at the beginning of the week I'm not sure."

Hello everyone, sorry for the mask but unfortunately I still can’t speak without it.
I want to make this video because too many people are not taking seriously this goddam virus which turned my life upside down about 10 days ago.

My name is Giovanni Zampino. I’m from Turin. Up until a few days ago, my life was carrying on as normal. My main job was talking care of my father and enjoying my hobbies, amongst which a lot of sport and friends. A completely normal life just like many of you.

I have to say, like others, I underestimated this godforsaken virus. I thought it was political, military, a hoax…a lot of things. I did nothing out of the ordinary to have gotten this virus but unfortunately it got into my body and affected the person dearest to me; my father.

A lot of people say this is just like the flu. I can tell you this virus is not just a flu. It gets into you and possesses you and it attacks your lungs and airways. The worst thing is that we don’t know anything about it. How do you defeat something that you don’t know about? There’s too much ignorance.

The message I want to give you is please be careful. Stay at home for 15 days. Stay with your families. Play board games, watch films, read a book. We can only get our lives back to normal, if everyone together follows these instructions. Because you must understand this is not a game. I spend my nights with the oxygen mask. I can’t sleep. My life has completely changed, and I don’t want anyone to go through what I’ve gone through. This is like being in a horror film. Unfortunately, it’s reality.




https://video.lastampa.it/torino/io-e-mio-padre-affetti-da-covid-19-io-sono-vivo-per-miracolo-e-lui-e-morto-questo-non-e-un-gioco/111409/111408

Kivaro

wakka12 wrote: »

Vaccine will take a while but treatment will be here soon

And this is where we need to take hope.
The vaccine will not be available until next year, but successful treatment (for the overwhelming majority) will be here soon. There are a number of ongoing treatments already producing very significant positive outcomes.

wakka12

Are there any theories as to why this is hitting developed countries so much harder? Even in Asia it is the most develoeped countries that seem to be taking the hardest hit Singpoare,Japan, korea, China and less so in Indonesia and the south east

Travel more internationally? Older populations?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Finally managed to find a few packets of anti-bacterial wipes in a little convenience store outside Galway. Haven't seen them in well over a week so a bit of a relief. Still not a sign of hand sanitiser.

BorneTobyWilde

Ipso wrote: »

For the love of sweet merciful sh1te

Ironically that was the opening line from the Priest at my local Church on Sunday

tikkahunter

wakka12 wrote: »

Are there any theories as to why this is hitting developed countries so much harder? Even in Asia it is the most develoeped countries that seem to be taking the hardest hit Singpoare,Japan, korea, China and less so in Indonesia and the south east

No testing so no cases

bilston

wakka12 wrote: »

Are there any theories as to why this is hitting developed countries so much harder? Even in Asia it is the most develoeped countries that seem to be taking the hardest hit Singpoare,Japan, korea, China and less so in Indonesia and the south east

Better health are systems probably means it is getting reported and treated better.

In developing countries it probably isn't being recorded all that accurately.

Kivaro

Cody montana wrote: »

I managed to get toilet paper in Dealz!

Imported from China?

dan786

UK cases

As of 9am on 16 March 2020, 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive the government says.

Cina

wakka12 wrote: »

Are there any theories as to why this is hitting developed countries so much harder? Even in Asia it is the most develoeped countries that seem to be taking the hardest hit Singpoare,Japan, korea, China and less so in Indonesia and the south east

Travel more internationally? Older populations?

Yeah those would be the major two things. Add to that far more advanced infrastructure so people will travel around the countries more, and better public transport and services so more options for big crowds of people to be in the same confined spaces.

Harry Palmr

Another side effect which is less obvious until it becomes obvious.

From guardian

Consumers have been warned of the dangers of substituting kitchen roll and wet wipes for toilet paper which – if flushed down the loo – could overwhelm the UK’s sewers.

Innocent consumer substitutions due to shortages caused by fears about the spread of coronovirus could create serious consequences which are critical to society and life, according to leading supply chain academic Prof Richard Wilding.

The warning comes amid panic buying sweeping UK supermarkets, which has resulted in some people trying to make a massive profit by selling toilet roll and hand sanitiser online.

caveat emptor

Nermal wrote: »

They are just not realistic options. The public will not accept them and nor should they.

It was only 10 days ago people were saying it's a cold. Let's fast forward 14 days when health service overwhelmed and some people who were johnny big balls on here are crying on here asking how to get a loved one admitted to a hospital.

People won't accept what? Grow the fvck up and do your part. Have a look at the death notices in an Italian town. All of which died alone, with no wake or funeral.

https://twitter.com/davcarretta/status/1238791068071661568?s=20

weldoninhio

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Its even more shameful that the retailers don't take action and limit them to two items max per customer. Its not like they're going to be stuck with large amounts of stock and unable to sell it. People stock pile because retailers allow it. Retailler's are at fault here not the panicked public.

Retailers buy stock to sell it on and make a profit. Why should they care who buys the stock, once it's sold.

dan786

https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1239554134279360517?s=20

wakka12

Firs case in Greenland, in the capital

Big jumps in South America considering how few cases there was until very recently
Chile +80 (Since this announcement Chile has closed it's borders)
Columbia +20
Bolivia +15
Peru+15
Mexico +10
And Brazil reached 200 cases last night

rossie1977

BigMo1 wrote: »

Would it be a good idea for anyone who goes outside to wear a mask? Seems to have had a positive effect in other regions and may halt the spread here.

If everyone wore masks and gloves outside it would help yes because its impossible to determine how many are truly infected or how many are asymptomatic and don't know.

Problem is there ain't enough masks for everyone

kingshankly

When is the last tome boris has been seen

Kermit.de.frog

dan786 wrote: »

UK cases

As of 9am on 16 March 2020, 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive the government says.

UK only testing a small portion actually in hospital now apparently.

All for public relations.

This despite the WHO saying the most robust and widespread testing was needed to track and fight the disease.

Cork Boy 53

Kivaro wrote: »

And this is where we need to take hope.
The vaccine will not be available until next year, but successful treatment (for the overwhelming majority) will be here soon. There are a number of ongoing treatments already producing very significant positive outcomes.

What evidence do you have for that?

ednwireland

nthclare wrote: »

I wonder will we see this at the pumps?

prices have dropped significantly already at the pumps 10c a litre off kerosene since before christmas

RandomViewer

dublin99 wrote: »

I make my own:

2 parts 70% Isopropyl Alcohol
1 part Aloe Vera Gel (Mine also has tea tree oil, leftover from use as after-sun in summer)
Few drops essential oil for fragrance.

I use a recycled/sterilised hand wash bottle with pump. Voila!

After shave contains denatured alcohol, cheap Bruut or old spice for a few euro

rodge123

rossie1977 wrote: »

If everyone wore masks and gloves outside it would help yes because its impossible to determine how many are truly infected or how many are asymptomatic and don't know.

Problem is there ain't enough masks for everyone

Irish company capable of making 2.6million a week.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/limerick-firm-set-to-double-output-of-face-masks-amid-covid-19-fears-985868.html

Government could insist on purchasing the whole lot for next few weeks and hand out to every house in the country.

elperello

weldoninhio wrote: »

Retailers buy stock to sell it on and make a profit. Why should they care who buys the stock, once it's sold.

Social responsibility maybe.

weldoninhio

Friend in Dublin from England has just put up on Facebook that her and her nephew have found a pub that's open. Obviously not going to put the name or location on here, but seems not everyone is doing what they were asked.

pH

Nermal wrote: »

They are just not realistic options. The public will not accept them and nor should they.

There really isn't another option, the only other 3 options are:

A) 'Uncontrolled spread'

Let the virus burn itself out in one huge outbreak - expected death toll 5% of population.

'Flatten the curve' -Manage the disease in the community at a rate that the health service can handle until 'herd immunity' kicks in
(This would need 1,000 people in Ireland being infected every day for the next 7 years)

C) 'Protect the vulnerable' - Do everything to isolate and protect older and vulnerable people and encourage the rest to catch the disease (over a shortish time period) - Political suicide and with possible civil unrest.

Only 'real' option

Serious lockdown and aggressive fight the outbreak (about 6 weeks)

Then either:
2A return to normal (expect another outbreak in 6 weeks time/rinse/repeat)
2B Isolate (Island or state) with 14 day quarantine for all people entering.

Longing

My wife went to town earlier she couldn't get into Aldi. Packed to the door she estimated 300 to 400 people inside.

Then she went to a chemist there were only letting in two at a time..Lol

On a separate note the stock markets taking a hammering even with the US Fed pumping in 700 billion.

Strazdas

dan786 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1239554134279360517?s=20

Good advice : I was in my local Dunnes yesterday evening and people were already doing this (which is a good sign)

youtube!

Hey I am not sure if I should just stay home or go to work, I work construction . I have been told it is my choice but as self employed I really dont know if I will even get paid next month. Anyway my big worry is the toilets they are a disgrace , basically 6 cubicles in a 20 ft container which rarely get cleaned, like it is disgusting so I generally will just go to the loo in the pub if I am badly stuck, of course they are all closed now so... my gut feeling is telling me to stay at home for a while and not risk it but I dunno what the right thing to do is.

fritzelly

weldoninhio wrote: »

Friend in Dublin from England has just put up on Facebook that her and her nephew have found a pub that's open. Obviously not going to put the name or location on here, but seems not everyone is doing what they were asked.

Name them

Funsterdelux

kingshankly wrote: »

When is the last tome boris has been seen

Do you remember that time he didnt even get off the plane in Shannon

Ger Roe

weldoninhio wrote: »

Friend in Dublin from England has just put up on Facebook that her and her nephew have found a pub that's open. Obviously not going to put the name or location on here, but seems not everyone is doing what they were asked.

Don't name it here, send a message to Simon Harris or De Taoish.

Nermal

caveat emptor wrote: »

People won't accept what? Grow the fvck up and do your part. Have a look at the death notices in an Italian town. All of which died alone, with no wake or funeral.

People will not accept economic devastation without an end in sight when there is an alternative.

I'm absolutely willing to do my part. I'm nearly 40, I'm not at high risk, but not zero risk either.

Relax the lockdown for those of us who are low risk. Let us be the barrier to infection in the elderly.

caveat emptor

elperello wrote: »

Social responsibility maybe.

Social responsibility. That is not part of the system. We have government to regulate. We can't on the one hand high five each other as our house prices go up during a housing crisis and then on the other moan if someone has bought all the hand sanitizer.

Personally don't mind either way but thems the rules.

Harry Palmr

rossie1977 wrote: »

If everyone wore masks and gloves outside it would help yes because its impossible to determine how many are truly infected or how many are asymptomatic and don't know.

Problem is there ain't enough masks for everyone

Which mask are you referring to? A bog standard lightweight mouth/nose mask is of little to no medical value unless you have symptoms (in which case you should be at home anyway). The virus enters the eyes and will get around the pretty flimsy masks most people are wearing as they do not contour around the face tightly enough and they have no actual filter effect

Gloves are a help. Buy three/four pairs of light ones and use them in rotation, wash and dry them and do not wipe your mouth nose and eye areas while wearing them cos that defeats the purpose!

wakka12

youtube! wrote: »

Hey I am not sure if I should just stay home or go to work, I work construction . I have been told it is my choice but as self employed I really dont know if I will even get paid next month. Anyway my big worry is the toilets they are a disgrace , basically 6 cubicles in a 20 ft container which rarely get cleaned, like it is disgusting so I generally will just go to the loo in the pub if I am badly stuck, of course they are all closed now so... my gut feeling is telling me to stay at home for a while and not risk it but I dunno what the right thing to do is.

As long as you take precautions it should be fine. Just bring around some anti bacterial wips with you, wipe things down before using them and your hands after using it. Construction is a low risk profession in this regard because there is little close contact

whiskeyman

whiskeyman wrote: »

Markets will continue to fall for next couple of weeks until some positive news regarding a vaccine or lowering of cases.

Excellent time to throw some money in an index fund.

Hobgoblin11

Coronavirus: US volunteers to test first vaccine

Stevieluvsye

Good afternoon! I am getting tested this afternoon. Feel like absolute crap.

skimpydoo

How's everyone's lockdown going ?

skimpydoo

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Good afternoon! I am getting tested this afternoon. Feel like absolute crap.

Best of luck and keep us all posted.