CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

drunkmonkey

Heres Johnny wrote: »

In relation to the government financial help today where an employer paay the staff 203 euro a week and can claim it back, is this just for firms that cease trading? It says that on their website and the lady announcing it said it on the news too.

1) How could a company that has ceased trading pay staff?

2) I am pretty sure we will have a huge drop off in orders tomorrow which will result in a chat about how many staff we can keep. I don't believe there is a chance we will go bust and I want to keep as many staff as possible. We have about 75 in Ireland. Could we lay off 10 or 20 or 30 or 40, continue trading and avail of this scheme, if we can afford it that is. We will probably be delaying our VAT and PAYE payments for cash flow as was announced earlier last week too

I don't she meant closed for good, trading paused. Yes you should be able to temporarily lay off some.

c montgomery

Strumms wrote: »

Yep, it’s sure as shît looking this way. However this pans out, remember never fûcking vote FG again.

Why?
They are doing a good job in this terrible situation. Who would do better?

Weepsie

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Anyone else seeing comments and posts from people on social media who have symptoms but cant get help? Ive seen about 4 today, one woman said she called her gp, the helplines and called for an ambulance as shes really sick and finding it hard to breath but cant get anyone to test her or help her. She was given tablets but said theyre only making her worse. Her child has an underlying condition and he's very sick too with same symptoms. She said she's been ringing and ringing the gp and helpline but its just going around in circles and no ones answering the helpline number.
Another guy said his flatmate tested positive but no one else in the flat was tested or contacted. This is the most worrying part of this imo. I know form having to call an ambulance for my dad a few months ago, the ambulance didnt show up for 40 minutes, he lives 10 minute walk from the hospital. Our health care system is a shambles and that will be what kills people during this epidemic, not the virus.

There's a lot of understandable hysteria, but social media is the place where whatever crises exists, people will post the worst they can think of for some sort of attention.

There may be grains of truth in some, more than grains even and there's an awful lot of anxiety going around, but we really, really need to take some serious stock and not believe every personal post that makes these types of claims as some of them are complete horseshi+

Ask yourself, do you know them? Who is sharing them, the people who share this type of stuff frequently? Where are they etc.

There'll be genuine cases that are struggling, but for everyone of them, I'd wager there are more clamouring for some type of attention because there are people who always do

Syncpolice

Heres Johnny wrote: »

In relation to the government financial help today where an employer paay the staff 203 euro a week and can claim it back, is this just for firms that cease trading? It says that on their website and the lady announcing it said it on the news too.

1) How could a company that has ceased trading pay staff?

2) I am pretty sure we will have a huge drop off in orders tomorrow which will result in a chat about how many staff we can keep. I don't believe there is a chance we will go bust and I want to keep as many staff as possible. We have about 75 in Ireland. Could we lay off 10 or 20 or 30 or 40, continue trading and avail of this scheme, if we can afford it that is. We will probably be delaying our VAT and PAYE payments for cash flow as was announced earlier last week too

I hope so

It's gonna be a pain in the hole trying to get dole

Kaisr Sose

fritzelly wrote: »

Temple Bar deserted

https://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar

Nothing to do in Irelands leading cultural quarter at night but eat or drink....

Shelga

I live at home and was away for the weekend (within Ireland)- was pretty sensible in terms of social distancing, considering how the situation was evolving by the hour. Still, I was worried about even coming home today, and giving something to my parents, who are 69 and 72, they both smoke, and dad has a heart condition.

I was on the phone last night to my mam, telling her to stay away from mass at all costs. I come home tonight and find out that not only did she go to mass, she was the one dishing out the bloody communion.

I'm glad I'm back now, if only to stop her organising some kind of geriatric Glastonbury in the front garden. :eek:

I'm really starting to get scared now. Just have to try stay calm and do an enforced media blackout for a couple of hours a day.

Exclamation Marc

Omackeral wrote: »

Those messages on whatsapp though.

''Omg the Fire Brigade will even be doing the ambulance people's work!'' Em yes, they do that anyway every night of the week you absolute fuck-knuckle.

The problem as well is that those circulating them will claim some level of success, reliability or validity in them if even one minor part of it runs true.

So if (and when) the army are deployed tomorrow to some no doubt very beneficial cause, these muppets will be screaming from the rooftops that they were partially right, and then start circulating some other shíte shortly after.

aligator_am

I've seen reports of people getting re-infected with the virus (not sure if it has been proven, and in fairness I only read the headlines).

If this is true, then I'm assuming that this little divil mutates, like the common cold or the flu?

Also saw some headlines claiming that the virus can damage testes and possibly make some men infertile. I'm unsure if this has been proven, and to be honest I'm hoping it's not the case.

Honestly not trying to cause additional panic or stress to anyone, but if it is the case that this thing mutates / could re-infect and has the potential to make some men infertile then it sounds like something out of a sci-fi film!

Syncpolice

c montgomery wrote: »

Why?
They are doing a good job in this terrible situation. Who would do better?

They were too slow off the mark

Let the virus get in

dodzy

branie2 wrote: »

I really enjoyed Contagion as well

Not a virusy film....but world war Z is excellent. Did like contagion too, particularly the end where you get to see the path back to initial source.

tobefrank321

appledrop wrote: »

Doing a clear out of house today + found Irish Times article from February 29th. That's only 2 weeks ago.

Figures then for Italy was 655 confirmed cases + Spain was 25 cases .

Holy F@@k look at them both now.

We will be there shortly if we don't get our lockdown right.

maebee

It's taken me from 9 am this morning to now (midnight) to catch up with the latest post here. Now I can't remember what I wanted to post at 9 o'clock this morning.

Ray Donovan

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I liked contagion. Found it quite realistic. Outbreak is very good though.

Explained Episode 4 The Next Pandemic is worth a watch. Only 20 minutes long.

Strazdas

ITman88 wrote: »

The breakdown of the family unit would occur soon after week 2!!!

You would definitely see many fatalities if it went on for months. The sheer unhealthiness of it would kill people off, many suicides etc.

An Ri rua

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Perspective is everything and after this is got on top of the threat posed by various gun toting religious nutters and cult extremists is going to seem very small beer indeed.

I have no doubt that jihadists, nihilists and God knows what else are watching the effects of a biological attack on the West most closely and will conclude that it's extraordinarily easy to implement and it can paralyse a nAtion.

Adiboo

Omackeral wrote: »

Those messages on whatsapp though.

''Omg the Fire Brigade will even be doing the ambulance people's work!'' Em yes, they do that anyway every night of the week you absolute fuck-knuckle.

What kind of whatsapp groups do ye all be in with the hysterics?

igCorcaigh

dodzy wrote: »

Not a virusy film....but world war Z is excellent. Did like contagion too, particularly the end where you get to see the path back to initial source.

The only one I liked was the one based on SARS.
Can't remember what it was called.

They had to have a lottery for the virus in the end.

Quantum Erasure

niallo27

washman3 wrote: »

Of that 20% how many survived.?
Should be out of quarantine by now.

On the Diamond Princess, nearly half of all people on the ship who tested positive showed no symptoms, and a month later still do not show symptoms, according to the latest daily update from Japan's National Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, where the boat docked. On the boat, 328 out of 697 people don't have symptoms despite testing positive.

Out of the 697 who tested positive a month ago, seven people have died on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, 15 remain in critical condition, and 30 were once in critical condition but have improved, according to Japan's Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare. A further 388 have recovered.

The seven deaths, out of the 697 who tested positive, make for a death rate of 1% on the ship. More deaths are also possible.

All seven deaths so far were of passengers aged 70 or older

mcmoustache

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

If the announcement does come tomorrow, remember all the Journalists like this one who are lying to you

He's right. Rumours are really unhelpful during emergencies.

Clarence Boddiker

Harry Palmr wrote: »

and if it doesn't you should be perma-banned from boards.

Remember also that the journal.ie stated that news that Ireland would announce emergency measures tomorrow was 'completely false'

SlowBlowin

Lundstram wrote: »

Spare a thought for all those pub workers - bar staff, cleaners and security guards who will wake up in the morning without a job through no fault of their own. Particulalry the full-time staff, I was one myself many moons ago. Their future looks bleak.

i Was just in bed thinking about this (had to get up to find the prep H). The implications are massive:

The Pubs
The book keepers for the pubs
The crispman that delivers
The food suppliers
The 3 hairy guys that play music at the weekends

Thats the pub but already so many industries are finished and its online too, think of the adverts you see on Youtube. How many people will buy new ear buds and a new phone. The advertisers will stop advertising, YouTube ad revenue will crash, creators will have no income.

I live on the the Ring of Kerry, and like many other places totally dependent on tourism. The airports, the hotels, surely the cruise industry is dead (one of my old customers used to print all the brochures for the cruise ships).

Its really not something to think about, its a chain that goes on and on.

I just hope and pray to god that the worst case scenarios dont come into play, if they do its hard to see a return to normal for many many years to come.

I sold my business and retired a few years ago, when I started running costs were simple & low, but over the years I have seen more and more things in business became a recurring expense. These days in business you need to have a good source of funding in order to mothball an operation (lockdown) in part because of all the recurring charges.

I feel for the boardies trying to run a business during this crisis, it must be so hard.

I have come to the conclusion the only thing for me to do is stop reading this thread and get on with all the house, garden, and personal projects I can, think positively and pray for a breakthrough.

nocoverart

Anybody else getting disturbed sleep from this? I’ll nod off grand and wake up during the night thinking “this sh1t can’t be real” my plate was way beyond full already and now it’s overflowing! and I know I’m not the only one. Everybody has their concerns and worries.

fritzelly

aligator_am wrote: »

I've seen reports of people getting re-infected with the virus (not sure if it has been proven, and in fairness I only read the headlines).

If this is true, then I'm assuming that this little divil mutates, like the common cold or the flu?

Also saw some headlines claiming that the virus can damage testes and possibly make some men infertile. I'm unsure if this has been proven, and to be honest I'm hoping it's not the case.

Honestly not trying to cause additional panic or stress to anyone, but if it is the case that this thing mutates / could re-infect and has the potential to make some men infertile then it sounds like something out of a sci-fi film!

All of those claims are unverified (check the sources) - be some time before the truth is really known

Hobgoblin11

branie2 wrote: »

I really enjoyed Contagion as well

They had the makings of a good plot , but when they made it out a cheating wife was patient zero it was too melodramatic, they had the wet market concept but went with an unusual origin for the virus -a pig instead of an exotic animal such as a servile

drunkmonkey

Just on the army, I think there's going to be regional lock downs rather than the whole country. They said we're were going to get localized updates tomorrow or Tuesday.

c montgomery

Syncpolice wrote: »

They were too slow off the mark

Let the virus get in

I disagree but there ya go.
Who do you think would have done better

bekker

c montgomery wrote: »

Why?
They are doing a good job in this terrible situation. Who would do better?

They have said from the start that they are relying on the advice of health experts and will act in accordance with that advice. So that's not down to them it's down to the health experts.

In all other respects there is no evidence of joined up thinking. Going no further than posts on new thread cf lay-off, signing on etc. there is no direction, no coherent plan.

igCorcaigh

maebee wrote: »

It's taken me from 9 am this morning to now (midnight) to catch up with the latest post here. Now I can't remember what I wanted to post at 9 o'clock this morning.

So quickly moving, isn't it.

I'm cautiously optimistic now, our government has taken the right approach. Hopefully our citizens will follow. The course of this pandemic ultimately lies in the hands of our people.

kerrycork13

maebee wrote: »

It's taken me from 9 am this morning to now (midnight) to catch up with the latest post here. Now I can't remember what I wanted to post at 9 o'clock this morning.

Its crazy. Full time job. Need to take a break from it. Its addictive informative and exhausting all in one if I'm honest. Q my mental health and physical health as a result.

Ray Donovan

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

They had the makings of a good plot , but when they made it out a cheating wife was patient zero it was too melodramatic, they had the wet market concept but went with an unusual origin for the virus -a pig instead of an exotic animal such as a servile

Spoilers Alert FFS

theballz

Abba987 wrote: »

Yes without a host. But thats extremely unlikely even with the most extreme lockdown if essential services are maintained.

Our best chance is slowing it down to allow our health services to cope until a vaccine is developed

I thought 9/11 was the scariest thing i would ever see. This is so much closer

9/11 was a horrific event that shook the world.

This event, in my opinion, is worse in terms of the horror associated to it.

Lundstram

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

They had the makings of a good plot , but when they made it out a cheating wife was patient zero it was too melodramatic, they had the wet market concept but went with an unusual origin for the virus -a pig instead of an exotic animal such as a servile

Thanks for ruining this for me.

BorneTobyWilde

If this was a war I would pick up a gun, but the worst part is the sense of being powerless.

Ray Donovan

igCorcaigh wrote: »

So quickly moving, isn't it.

I'm cautiously optimistic now, our government has taken the right approach. Hopefully our citizens will follow. The course of this pandemic ultimately lies in the hands of our people.

And our airports!!

Omackeral

Adiboo wrote: »

What kind of whatsapp groups do ye all be in with the hysterics?

Believe me, it's not restricted to Facebook hunzos. I got one in my Work Whatsapp Group which is generally for staff looking to swap days/shifts etc but it's been a hive of misinformation lately. Rumours and basic BS. Worryingly, I work for the Prison Service/Dept of Justice and it's absolutely full of buffoons sending stuff like that and forwarding it.

igCorcaigh

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If this was a war I would pick up a gun, but the worst part is the sense of being powerless.

We are not powerless. You and I can be national heroes by staying at home and binge on Netflix.

c montgomery

bekker wrote: »

They have said from the start that they are relying on the advice of health experts and will act in accordance with that advice. So that's not down to them it's down to the health experts.

In all other respects there is no evidence of joined up thinking. Going no further than posts on new thread cf lay-off, signing on etc. there is no direction, no coherent plan.

Plans take time, especially complex ones.
Time is not on their side however they are doing well in my opinion.
Safety of people before the economy.

Jeff2

I wonder If less people are going to A&E then are they going to their GP and overloading them.

I wouldn't think so but...

If not then people that would usually go to their GP for repeat prescriptions may stop going.

threeball

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just on the army, I think there's going to be regional lock downs rather than the whole country. They said we're were going to get localized updates tomorrow or Tuesday.

Still banging that drum? People didn't bite at 12 noon and they're not gonna bite at 12 midnight. Put it on whatsapp. That will get the reaction you want

Strumms

c montgomery wrote: »

Why?
They are doing a good job in this terrible situation. Who would do better?

Anybody with a prescribed loyalty to the citizens of this country first, ALL the citizens, everybody else, fûck em.

Cilldara_2000

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/increased-resources-to-tackle-mental-health-impact-of-outbreak-1.4203738?mode=amp

Good message here on mental health.

Most people will never have been through a crisis like this and may be worried about the restrictions etc.

I was just coming in to post this: https://www2.hse.ie/wellbeing/mental-health/minding-your-mental-health-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html

I will try to limit my total attention on covid 19 to an hour or two in total per day because I can feel the anxiety creeping up on me. So over and out for now. Stay safe everyone, that includes your mental health. Keep informed but don't believe everything you read or see on the internet - there are WUMs everywhere and well meaning people end up passing on their BS. Get some time away from news, social media and online updates every day.

Syncpolice

Omackeral wrote: »

Believe me, it's not restricted to Facebook hunzos. I got one in my Work Whatsapp Group which is generally for staff looking to swap days/shifts etc but it's been a hive of misinformation lately. Rumours and basic BS. Worryingly, I work for the Prison Service/Dept of Justice and it's absolutely full of buffoons sending stuff like that and forwarding it.

Thought it was full of buffoons

amacca

Anyone else think the UK Govt may have ****ed up big time in their strategy

05eaftqbrs9jlh

SlowBlowin wrote: »

i Was just in bed thinking about this (had to get up to find the prep H). The implications are massive:

The Pubs
The book keepers for the pubs
The crispman that delivers
The food suppliers
The 3 hairy guys that play music at the weekends

Thats the pub but already so many industries are finished and its online too, think of the adverts you see on Youtube. How many people will buy new ear buds and a new phone. The advertisers will stop advertising, YouTube ad revenue will crash, creators will have no income.

I live on the the Ring of Kerry, and like many other places totally dependent on tourism. The airports, the hotels, surely the cruise industry is dead (one of my old customers used to print all the brochures for the cruise ships).

Its really not something to think about, its a chain that goes on and on.

I just hope and pray to god that the worst case scenarios dont come into play, if they do its hard to see a return to normal for many many years to come.

I sold my business and retired a few years ago, when I started running costs were simple & low, but over the years I have seen more and more things in business became a recurring expense. These days in business you need to have a good source of funding in order to mothball an operation (lockdown) in part because of all the recurring charges.

I feel for the boardies trying to run a business during this crisis, it must be so hard.

I have come to the conclusion the only thing for me to do is stop reading this thread and get on with all the house, garden, and personal projects I can, think positively and pray for a breakthrough.

Strazdas wrote: »

You couldn't have a three month lockdown : that in itself would probably kill a lot of people, never mind the virus.

I'm sorry but that's the reality of what we're looking at. They're all but saying it explicitly on the news. Just because you think it couldn't happen, doesn't mean that it won't. Society needs to be restructured completely. Hundreds of thousands of people need to retrain to be able to provide useful labour now. Entire segments of society are now obsolete for the medium to long term and supply of goods will need to be made domestic. Life is different for good.

It may bring people in close-knit communities together. It's a distraction from the distraction.

cnocbui wrote: »

After this, the Irish people need to make it very clear that something needs to be done about the cost of the HSE vs the outcomes delivered. Spending near the top of the OECD per capita, shouldn't result in almost the longest waiting lists in Europe.

Not to mention all the people left with irreparable damage because of these waiting lists.

tigger123

c montgomery wrote: »

Plans take time, especially complex ones.
Time is not on their side however they are doing well in my opinion.
Safety of people before the economy.

It's not one or the other. If the economy tanks it, it will be the most vulnerable in society that suffers the most. Trying to save the economy is for all of our benefit.

Atlantic Dawn

'Unrest in west Dublin'...enough going on in the country without this...

GARDAÍ IN WEST Dublin are dealing with a serious incident involving “up to 30 youths” in the Cherry Orchard area.

Officers have received reports of a number of vans being burnt out. The public order unit has been dispatched.

A number of units are currently at the scene and are trying to apprehend the suspects.

Informed sources said up to 30 youths were involved in what they described as “serious unrest”.

https://www.thejournal.ie/cheery-orchard-garda-incident-5047312-Mar2020/

Omackeral

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If this was a war I would pick up a gun, but the worst part is the sense of being powerless.

Less of that and more of this

dockysher

Full lockdown will be announced tomorrow at 11am. Up to urselfs if u believe this or not but shops will be mental after the announcement so id go in early tomorrow to get yer bits if needed

c montgomery

Strumms wrote: »

Anybody with a prescribed loyalty to the citizens of this country first, ALL the citizens, everybody else, fûck em.

???? Angry much