NFL Offseason 2020

Foxtrol

adrian522 wrote: »

As long as this doesn't mean moving on from Ford or Buckner I guess its ok. The problem is that for this contract to be worthwhile he needs to play to 2019 levels consistently. It's not possible for him to out perform that contract really.

Agree though, we need to see the breakdown per year and the guarentess.

Details of the Armstead contract came out. Looks very very team friendly for the first 2 years. No way Buckner was accepting close to that.

https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1239695082673942528?s=20

VillaMad

The era of Tom Brady at the New England Patriots is over:
https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1239895289424642050

https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1239895697207549952

Mr. Guappa

VillaMad wrote: »

The era of Tom Brady at the New England Patriots is over:
https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1239895289424642050

LuckyGent88

Not sure I can stomach seeing him play for another team. Will be so strange.

The complete rebuild is now on. No Brady, Collins, van noy.

The_Honeybadger

Wow, where will he end up? Chargers or Bucs seem to be the two best suitors? I’d love to see what he could do with Evans and Godwin

Foxtrol

VillaMad wrote: »

The era of Tom Brady at the New England Patriots is over:
https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1239895289424642050

https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1239895697207549952

All the rumblings during the season were accurate.

I'm surprised by him moving on only by the fact the market seems so underwhelming for him. Unless there is a big surprise, none of the contenders are showing interest in him so he either thinks the Patriots are in a worse way than what is generally thought, something happened between him/Kraft/Bill, or he doesn't care about going to a contender and is just happy to take more money and a new experience.

raze_them_all_

Foxtrol wrote: »

All the rumblings during the season were accurate.

I'm surprised by him moving on only by the fact the market seems so underwhelming for him. Unless there is a big surprise, none of the contenders are showing interest in him so he either thinks the Patriots are in a worse way than what is generally thought, something happened between him/Kraft/Bill, or he doesn't care about going to a contender and is just happy to take more money and a new experience.

I may not like pats but Brady always seemed the type not to care about money, always played under team friendly deals. I'd say he doesn't want to tarnish his lagacy with patriots and will play out with the bucs

Foxtrol

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I may not like pats but Brady always seemed the type not to care about money, always played under team friendly deals. I'd say he doesn't want to tarnish his lagacy with patriots and will play out with the bucs

I agree on that perspective on him, which is why moving to the likes of the Bucs is so strange. If he thinks his play is going to go downhill to the point of tarnishing his legacy then he should retire.

The decision doesn't make sense unless one or more of the following is true - he is putting money/new experience above winning, his relationship with Kraft/Bill has broken down, he thinks Bucs/Chargers are in a better position to win in the next 2 years than the Patriots

raze_them_all_

https://twitter.com/i/status/1239902096624947202

letowski

Id say Chargers are his most likely destination, as a bridge QB after they draft one. I dont know would he fit in with Arians' air coryell offense. Colts is a fit schematically but I dont think it would happen given the past.

Be very interesting to see where he lands.

MileHighGuy

Well wherever he goes, I hope it is not a Unitas-like end to his career. (providing there is a season at all)

His legacy etc. can never be tarnished, no matter what happens, but I wouldn't like to see a 40 y/o QB gut it out for another year on a losing team taking a pounding behind a bad line.

Just goes to show, nobody is indispensable, and Brady is only dispensable due to him playing for so long, he could have retired a Patriot after winning the SB a couple of years ago, but felt he could play on at a high level and offer something, so credit for that as well.

rebelyell99

I always felt he would go back to the Patriots. The bucs have some weapons but the chargers are a better overall team and would give him a more realistic chance at a ring.

Mr. Guappa

Panthers give Cam permission to seek a trade. What a season for QB movement!

Blut2

Oat23 wrote: »

Desperation signing from Pace. We have 10TEs under contract currently and they are all either injury prone or useless/over the hill.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239698652412760064

Thats great news, as a Packers fan. Graham was so underwhelming considering his big salary. No idea what the Bears are seeing in him.

MileHighGuy

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Panthers give Cam permission to seek a trade. What a season for QB movement!

Yeah, imagine if someone said Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Teddy Bridgewater and Ryan Tannehill would all be available in a season.....crazy.

Lionbacker

Looks like Rivers will be heading off to Indianapolis & Drew Brees is staying put in New Orleans for another 2 years. Probably will retire there you'd imagine.

KrustyUCC

Panthers to sign Bridgewater apparently

BonnieSituation

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Panthers to sign Bridgewater apparently

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106637/article/panthers-finalizing-deal-with-bridgewater-to-replace-cam

It's been a mad day

MileHighGuy

Cam Newton is not a FA though as far as I know? Does this not put the Panthers over the barrel a bit. They will likely get nothing for Newton if the market is not strong.

Maybe they knew the die was cast regardless and just wanted to get their man early?

Pity for Cam and that injury, he really looked a franchise QB back in his SB year.

The_Honeybadger

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Cam Newton is not a FA though as far as I know? Does this not put the Panthers over the barrel a bit. They will likely get nothing for Newton if the market is not strong.

Maybe they knew the die was cast regardless and just wanted to get their man early?

Pity for Cam and that injury, he really looked a franchise QB back in his SB year.

How are they over a barrel? He only has $2m in guarantees left per OTC so easily traded, if there is no market they can just release him to get his salary off the books. They have obviously taken the decision to move on one way or another. I can’t imagine any team giving up much for him given the number of QB’s that are available. Most teams are sorted at QB (for the short term at least) bar Tampa and the Chargers, and maybe the Bears.

Foxtrol

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Cam Newton is not a FA though as far as I know? Does this not put the Panthers over the barrel a bit. They will likely get nothing for Newton if the market is not strong.

Maybe they knew the die was cast regardless and just wanted to get their man early?

Pity for Cam and that injury, he really looked a franchise QB back in his SB year.

They are allowing Cam to look for a trade. He doesn't really have them over a barrel, as it looks like they are in full rebuild and decided to do it minus Cam.

They'll see if they can get something for him or else can release him with only small dead cap.

Bridgewater contract could be a bridge for someone they take on in the draft this year or more likely next year.

thomond2006

The Bears sign Robert Quinn to a big deal and release Leonard Floyd. I'm surprised Floyd didn't garner any trade interest. He turns 28 in September and was about to play on his fifth year option.

MileHighGuy

Ah I thought his salary was guaranteed this year. The salary cap stuff escapes me sometimes.

I doubt they'll get anything for him so, if his release carries no (little) dead money, I assume teams will just wait....that's if anyone will take flyer.

The_Honeybadger

https://twitter.com/foxsportsradio/status/1239974315673538562?s=21

jack presley

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

https://twitter.com/foxsportsradio/status/1239974315673538562?s=21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjr5NiTsOGk

The_Honeybadger

jack presley wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjr5NiTsOGk

Not a fan of Cowherd either but multiple sources including Schefter reporting it too now. We’ll see tomorrow

jack presley

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Not a fan of Cowherd either but multiple sources including Schefter reporting it too now. We’ll see tomorrow

A blind squirrel finds a nut eventually.

letowski

Phillip Rivers to the Colts, 1 year deal, $25 million.

Justin10

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Not a fan of Cowherd either but multiple sources including Schefter reporting it too now. We’ll see tomorrow

Schefter reporting it, I believe was a fake account.

raze_them_all_

Brady to bucs... Called it

The_Honeybadger

Running out of chairs very quickly, Dalton, Newton, Foles, Winston all unwanted by their teams. Am I missing anybody?

Chargers might be happy to roll with Tyrod to start the season and whoever they draft in the first round taking over at some point.

Pats probably have their choice of the others and they’ll get any of them cheap if they are not sure about Stidham

Did the Bears get someone or are they looking at one of them too? They’re surely not sticking with Trubisky again, wasting more years.

Oat23

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Did the Bears get someone or are they looking at one of them too? They’re surely not sticking with Trubisky again, wasting more years.

We'll be signing a QB to at the very least compete with Mitch. If I had to pick which one I'd want from those left it would probably be Cam (if he passes a physical obviously). F*ck it. Why not? The Panthers have no leverage after signing Bridgewater and they seem to have p*ssed him off with the wording of their press release. Bridges have been burned. Offer a 6th and take him for a season to see what happens.

Could also just play chicken and hope nobody else makes an offer so they have to release him.

D9Male

Is Stidham any good? Surely the Patriots will have to go for Winston, Newton or Dalton?

MileHighGuy

Interesting article on the Ringer about Tom Brady's move to Tampa Bay and how it makes more sense than at first glance (I don't see it myself)

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/3/18/21184745/tom-brady-tampa-bay-buccaneers-details-choice

...but one interesting takeaway....Winston threw more Interceptions this year than Brady had in the previous 4 seasons!

MileHighGuy

Lionbacker wrote: »

Looks like Rivers will be heading off to Indianapolis & Drew Brees is staying put in New Orleans for another 2 years. Probably will retire there you'd imagine.

Good call on Rivers,

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28917715/philip-rivers-join-colts-1-year-deal-source-says

...this one baffles me more than the Brady to Tampa to be honest. Rivers looked a shadow of himself this past year, was he that much better (if at all) than Brissett?


(this was an after edit...I know Passer Rating might not be the best measure, but interesting none the less...if he can cut out Ints then yes, he is better!)

Is Brissett now on his way out after getting an extension and QB 1.5 money last year (quick trip to OTC)

Finally, I thought Rivers had the famous no-trade clause in his contract in SD as he was loathe to leave his family, very surprised he'd take off to an east coast team.

When and if the new season kicks off, it might be the craziest one for QBs making their debuts for new teams that I can remember.

The_Honeybadger

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Interesting article on the Ringer about Tom Brady's move to Tampa Bay and how it makes more sense than at first glance (I don't see it myself)

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2020/3/18/21184745/tom-brady-tampa-bay-buccaneers-details-choice

...but one interesting takeaway....Winston threw more Interceptions this year than Brady had in the previous 4 seasons!

I don’t know if he can make them contenders but they are certainly very talented at the skill positions and I was surprised to read that their line was 10th In pass blocking and 15th in run blocking last year. Winstons erratic play killed them game after game, with better QB play who knows what their ceiling is.

On defence they have a lot of pieces in place too and Bowles is a really good DC. It’s an intriguing move for Brady and I can see how it was attractive for him. Doesn’t seem on the face of it that the Pats made too much effort to keep him. While I’m not a pats fans I have huge admiration for TB and I honestly hope the move works out for him

letowski

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Good call on Rivers,

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28917715/philip-rivers-join-colts-1-year-deal-source-says

...this one baffles me more than the Brady to Tampa to be honest. Rivers looked a shadow of himself this past year, was he that much better (if at all) than Brissett?


(this was an after edit...I know Passer Rating might not be the best measure, but interesting none the less...if he can cut out Ints then yes, he is better!)

Is Brissett now on his way out after getting an extension and QB 1.5 money last year (quick trip to OTC)

Finally, I thought Rivers had the famous no-trade clause in his contract in SD as he was loathe to leave his family, very surprised he'd take off to an east coast team.

When and if the new season kicks off, it might be the craziest one for QBs making their debuts for new teams that I can remember.

I think the Colts wanted him as he has a lot of familiarity with Frank Reick and OC Nick Sirianni from their days with the Chargers. But your right, his play last year was not much better that Brissetts. I think the Colts offense will suit Rivers, good oline to protect him, quick passing offense. But I wouldn't say the Colts will have a much better QB. It's hard to know what the Colts' strategy is with regards to the long term view of the position, seen as they just traded their 13th overall pick to the 49ers.

the baby bull elephant

MileHighGuy wrote: »

Good call on Rivers,

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28917715/philip-rivers-join-colts-1-year-deal-source-says

...this one baffles me more than the Brady to Tampa to be honest. Rivers looked a shadow of himself this past year, was he that much better (if at all) than Brissett?


(this was an after edit...I know Passer Rating might not be the best measure, but interesting none the less...if he can cut out Ints then yes, he is better!)

Is Brissett now on his way out after getting an extension and QB 1.5 money last year (quick trip to OTC)

Finally, I thought Rivers had the famous no-trade clause in his contract in SD as he was loathe to leave his family, very surprised he'd take off to an east coast team.

When and if the new season kicks off, it might be the craziest one for QBs making their debuts for new teams that I can remember.

It seems a number of Colts fans think Brisset was too afraid to throw the ball unless receivers were wide open and that although his numbers were okish he was holding them back. Rivers is more willing to go vertical and should really benefit from the improved o-line.

j8wk2feszrnpao

D9Male wrote: »

Is Stidham any good? Surely the Patriots will have to go for Winston, Newton or Dalton?

Career to date: 4 attempts, 2 completions, 14 yards, 1 INT (terrible pick 6 on a wide open receiver)

Either they get lucky (or trade to move up) in the draft, or sign a veteran to compete with Stidham.
Things are about to change massively in NE. Considering the loss of Brady, the lack of top talent on the roster, and a far more challenging schedule this year; AFC is wide open (I see 10 wins clinching the division).

tunguska

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

On defence they have a lot of pieces in place too and Bowles is a really good DC. It’s an intriguing move for Brady and I can see how it was attractive for him. Doesn’t seem on the face of it that the Pats made too much effort to keep him. While I’m not a pats fans I have huge admiration for TB and I honestly hope the move works out for him

+1 Huge admiration for Brady. Hope the move works out for him, still think he has some quality football left in him.

MileHighGuy

the baby bull elephant wrote: »

It seems a number of Colts fans think Brisset was too afraid to throw the ball unless receivers were wide open and that although his numbers were okish he was holding them back. Rivers is more willing to go vertical and should really benefit from the improved o-line.

Yeah, it's hard to get a true picture with just the numbers, Case Keenum put up respectable numbers during his time with Denver, but when you watched him play it was a different story. Kyle Orton was another one similar that springs to mind.

I didn't really see enough of Brissett myself, but he looked serviceable, and he was likely to improve a bit, he had still only started, maybe 30 games?

MileHighGuy

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Career to date: 4 attempts, 2 completions, 14 yards, 1 INT (terrible pick 6 on a wide open receiver)

Either they get lucky (or trade to move up) in the draft, or sign a veteran to compete with Stidham.
Things are about to change massively in NE. Considering the loss of Brady, the lack of top talent on the roster, and a far more challenging schedule this year; AFC is wide open (I see 10 wins clinching the division).

A couple of years ago the Patriots had 3 current NFL starters on their roster, with Brady, Garoppolo and Brissett!

A good year to fish for a (so called) bridge QB though, and the Matt Cassell season is still strong in the memory.


....now there's a thing....Brissett back to the Pats? Is that a possibility?

Knex*

D9Male wrote: »

Is Stidham any good? Surely the Patriots will have to go for Winston, Newton or Dalton?

I know only preseason, but was excellent vs the Giants.

Not something you can your hat on, but he didn't look lost anyway.

Foxtrol

MileHighGuy wrote: »

A couple of years ago the Patriots had 3 current NFL starters on their roster, with Brady, Garoppolo and Brissett!

A good year to fish for a (so called) bridge QB though, and the Matt Cassell season is still strong in the memory.


....now there's a thing....Brissett back to the Pats? Is that a possibility?

I doubt they'd take Brissett back unless they ended up very stuck.

From how it ended they clearly didn't like what they were seeing from him - it was obvious that either Brady or Garoppolo were leaving (Jimmy traded a month later) and despite having him on a very cheap rookie deal for a few more years they traded him away for peanuts (a gamble on a young inconsistent WR).

j8wk2feszrnpao

MileHighGuy wrote: »

A good year to fish for a (so called) bridge QB though, and the Matt Cassell season is still strong in the memory.

Cassell went 11:5, the year after the Pats went 18:1. Got a high 2nd rounder for him.

MileHighGuy wrote: »

....now there's a thing....Brissett back to the Pats? Is that a possibility?

Maybe, but I can't see it. Don't think he was ever marked as a starter.

rebelyell99

Denver just acquired jurrell Casey for a 7th round pick ,probaly gonna replace Derek Wolfe on the D line.Happy enough with the moves Elway has made so far.

phatkev

The Lions look to be raiding the Patriots defense, looks like both Shelton and Harmon are headed that way today

phatkev

rebelyell99 wrote: »

Denver just acquired jurrell Casey for a 7th round pick ,probaly gonna replace Derek Wolfe on the D line.Happy enough with the moves Elway has made so far.

Been a while since I watched Casey, but if he's performing any where near the standard he was 2 years ago thats a good bit of business by the Broncos.
Time for Jeffery Simmons to step up in Tennessee

Knex*

rebelyell99 wrote: »

Denver just acquired jurrell Casey for a 7th round pick ,probaly gonna replace Derek Wolfe on the D line.Happy enough with the moves Elway has made so far.

That seems like great value. Titans fans, what's happened here? Offloading contract?