Supermarkets - the Megathread

stephenjmcd

Retro. wrote: »

Stuff are mostly wearing gloves and behind screens

That's why they're not getting it

Might be where you are but they aren't wearing gloves or masks in any of the ones I've been in. Screens only at the tills, what about when stocking the shelves etc ??

Even with screens if 1 staff member gets it, they work in close proximity to other staff members, so point still stands, if 1 staff member had it and it was being transmitted in supermarkets you'd know about it. Shop would be closed for a deep clean.

expectationlost

The Department of Health said no breakdown was available of the jobs of those who had tested positive for the virus. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/supermarket-staff-largely-evade-virus-in-ireland-zs2wbb9xr wtf not?

Sheep Shagger

expectationlost wrote: »

The Department of Health said no breakdown was available of the jobs of those who had tested positive for the virus. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/supermarket-staff-largely-evade-virus-in-ireland-zs2wbb9xr wtf not?

Unbelievable - such a simple stat to collect and some jobs worth decided it wasn't worth asking.

normanoffside

Posted it in the main thread but probably more appropriate here:


This is a long piece but worth a read, talking about the source of spread.
It effectively come to the conclusion that apart from the spread withing households, you are in most danger of picking it up if you spend long periods of time in densely packed indoor areas with poor air circulation.


https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/coronavirus-covid19-exposure-risk-catching-virus-germs

When assessing the risk of infection (via respiration) at the grocery store or mall, you need to consider the volume of the air space (very large), the number of people (restricted), how long people are spending in the store (workers - all day; customers - an hour). Taken together, for a person shopping: the low density, high air volume of the store, along with the restricted time you spend in the store, means that the opportunity to receive an infectious dose is low. But, for the store worker, the extended time they spend in the store provides a greater opportunity to receive the infectious dose and therefore the job becomes more risky.

So effectively if Supermarket workers aren't getting it, they are very unlikely to be passing it on to customers who only spend small amount of times in there.

MadYaker

If supermarkets were leading to lots of cases I think we would know by now. Surprising and encouraging considering any time I go shopping us mask wearers are in the minority. Good ventilation can make a huge difference.

Zardoz

normanoffside wrote: »

It effectively come to the conclusion that apart from the spread withing households, you are in most danger of picking it up if you spend long periods of time in densely packed indoor areas with poor air circulation.

Similar to how people pick up the flu I suppose .
Pubs are the ideal breathing ground for the virus especially the typical stuffy Irish pub with no air conditioning .
I largely avoid them in December and January ,usually get a bad respiratory infection.

punisher5112

normanoffside wrote: »

Posted it in the main thread but probably more appropriate here:


This is a long piece but worth a read, talking about the source of spread.
It effectively come to the conclusion that apart from the spread withing households, you are in most danger of picking it up if you spend long periods of time in densely packed indoor areas with poor air circulation.


https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/coronavirus-covid19-exposure-risk-catching-virus-germs



So effectively if Supermarket workers aren't getting it, they are very unlikely to be passing it on to customers who only spend small amount of times in there.

This is why I always open windows on a bus whether it's cold or not....


Still people are closing windows and it's hot out.....

Living Off The Splash

punisher5112 wrote: »

This is why I always open windows on a bus whether it's cold or not....


Still people are closing windows and it's hot out.....

I can never understand why the windows on the bus or DART are nearly always closed. I would imagine that having the windows open is good, or can the virus blow around if open?

If I could open a window on a plane I would.:)

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Might be where you are but they aren't wearing gloves or masks in any of the ones I've been in. Screens only at the tills, what about when stocking the shelves etc ??

Even with screens if 1 staff member gets it, they work in close proximity to other staff members, so point still stands, if 1 staff member had it and it was being transmitted in supermarkets you'd know about it. Shop would be closed for a deep clean.

I'm in one of the bigger cork supermarkets. Most of us have given up wearing gloves as they keep tearing every time you handle/open some boxes. It's easier to sanitise your hands regularly. Fortunately the company has sanitiser in every part of the shop/stockroom. There are cleaning staff who spend their whole day disinfecting all surfaces that are touched a lot, shelves, doors and handrails etc.
As far as a know no one working here has had the virus. One lad I know of self isolated for two weeks as a precaution but tested negative.

zell12

Lidl have pallets of eggs, they've even put them on offer
Aldi have none
in my locals anyway https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113673142&postcount=70

Why so?

WashYourHands

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Might be where you are but they aren't wearing gloves or masks in any of the ones I've been in. Screens only at the tills, what about when stocking the shelves etc ??

You can't get the virus through your hands :D Gloves are not necessary anywhere. The only reason gloves might help is if they stop you touching your face - but then it adds risk when taking them off and disposing of them.

lucalux

zell12 wrote: »

Lidl have pallets of eggs, they've even put them on offer
Aldi have none
in my locals anyway https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113673142&postcount=70

Why so?

My local Lidl, well, both of the two nearest to me, haven't had any free range eggs anytime I've been in for over a month.
Aldi has had them the past 2weeks though. I've been buying them in the local shop before that which isn't ideal for me, but I've found those caged eggs never taste ok

Wasn't there an outbreak of bird flu just before Covid hit? I think that's a contributor

Muahahaha

Was in a Lidl yesterday and they have a new traffic light system for gaining entry to the store. There is sensors counting people going in and out and TV screens up telling you to either stop and wait or go ahead and enter. It seems to let about 5 or 6 people in at a time.

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

Was in a Lidl yesterday and they have a new traffic light system for gaining entry to the store. There is sensors counting people going in and out and TV screens up telling you to either stop and wait or go ahead and enter. It seems to let about 5 or 6 people in at a time.

Where was that?

Muahahaha

In their flagship store in Tallaght, its right next to their corporate HQ offices so I presume it is being tested in that store before being rolled out nationwide

Jim_Hodge

Muahahaha wrote: »

Was in a Lidl yesterday and they have a new traffic light system for gaining entry to the store. There is sensors counting people going in and out and TV screens up telling you to either stop and wait or go ahead and enter. It seems to let about 5 or 6 people in at a time.

I'd settle for the Lidl here having hand sanitizer on the way in.

SweetCaliber

Muahahaha wrote: »

Was in a Lidl yesterday and they have a new traffic light system for gaining entry to the store. There is sensors counting people going in and out and TV screens up telling you to either stop and wait or go ahead and enter. It seems to let about 5 or 6 people in at a time.

Tesco also rolling this out over the coming weeks.

ShineOn7

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Tesco also rolling this out over the coming weeks.

They've been behind on everything since this began. A company who cleared 2 Billion in profit last year and they didn't do 24 hour delivery when the country needed it

odyssey06

ShineOn7 wrote: »

They've been behind on everything since this began. A company who cleared 2 Billion in profit last year and they didn't do 24 hour delivery when the country needed it

Not saying their online offering is perfect but they have the most advanced delivery service in the country of any supermarket... if you're going to throw brickbats at supermarkets here for their online offering (including click collect) Tesco should be last in line!

Where is Dunnes online offering?

ShineOn7

odyssey06 wrote: »

Where is Dunnes online offering?

Dunnes didn't make 2 Billion in profit last year

Statutory revenue came in at £63.9 billion, an 11.2 per cent year-on-year growth, while statutory operating profit was £2.15 billion – a 17.1 per cent year-on-year uptick.A

https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2019/04/tesco-hails-turnaround-as-full-year-profit-surges-34/

odyssey06

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Dunnes didn't make 2 Billion in profit last year
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2019/04/tesco-hails-turnaround-as-full-year-profit-surges-34/

How much profit did Dunnes in ROI make versus Tesco in ROI?
Supervalu have online deliveries.
Dunnes have no online delivery.
Those are the top 3 supermarket chains in ROI.
Yet you are singling out Tesco??? Ain't gonna stick.

Where is Dunnes online presence?

ShineOn7

odyssey06 wrote: »

How much profit did Dunnes in ROI make versus Tesco in ROI?

Seeing as you asked

UK figures (ROI not coming up)

"Dunnes Stores’ UK division posts £700k pre-tax profit"

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/dunnes-stores-uk-division-posts-700k-pre-tax-profit-38574636.html

700k Versus 2 Billion (that's Billion with a

SozBbz

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Seeing as you asked

UK figures (ROI not coming up)



https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/dunnes-stores-uk-division-posts-700k-pre-tax-profit-38574636.html

700k Versus 2 Billion (that's Billion with a

Thats profits for Tesco overall not just Tesco Ireland.

Also, what business is it of yours? They're a private company and they can do whatever they like wtihin the law. They don't have to invest in 24 hour delivery or whatever just because you say so. Also, who wants a 3am delivery slot?

Dunnes are privatetly owned and notoriously sectretive. They're also known for taking very tough stances with suppliers, landlords and their own low wage employees.

They are behind the curve in not having any online food offering, but again thats their choice.

Its none of your business, and thats Business with a B.

beggars_bush

SozBbz wrote: »

Thats profits for Tesco overall not just Tesco Ireland.

Also, what business is it of yours? They're a private company and they can do whatever they like wtihin the law. They don't have to invest in 24 hour delivery or whatever just because you say so. Also, who wants a 3am delivery slot?

Dunnes are privatetly owned and notoriously sectretive. They're also known for taking very tough stances with suppliers, landlords and their own low wage employees.

They are behind the curve in not having any online food offering, but again thats their choice.

Its none of your business, and thats Business with a B.

I never grocery shop in Dunnes
They treat staff terribly

Jim_Hodge

beggars_bush wrote: »

I never grocery shop in Dunnes
They treat staff terribly

Staff in our local Dunnes wouldn't agree.

I just don’t go near Dunnes because it’s crap. Like a halfway between SV and Tesco but good at neither.

Heart Break Kid

ShineOn7 wrote: »

They've been behind on everything since this began. A company who cleared 2 Billion in profit last year and they didn't do 24 hour delivery when the country needed it

Em, could they have physically done it though. Their warehouse is big but everything has its limits.

They like most of the retails and employees did the best they could. Wasn’t their fault people panicked for absolutely no reason other than to be greedy

JoeLapira

beggars_bush wrote: »

I never grocery shop in Dunnes
They treat staff terribly

Having worked in SV, Tesco and Dunnes as both staff and management I must point out this really isn't the case.

iamwhoiam

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Staff in our local Dunnes wouldn't agree.

Nor in our local Dunnes , most of the staff are there a long time too

leahyl

Our local Dunnes is fantastic, staff are fantastic and many of them have been there a very long time - not reflective of being treated like crap

Living Off The Splash

No Dunnes Stores employees wearing face masks in my local Dunnes. Customers were wearing masks. Staff packing shelves and not social distancing from customers. In fact customers seemed invisible to the floor staff.

ben.schlomo

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

No Dunnes Stores employees wearing face masks in my local Dunnes. Customers were wearing masks. Staff packing shelves and not social distancing from customers. In fact customers seemed invisible to the floor staff.

Not really feasible or workable to have a fully stocked shop day long while maintaining a social distance from customers. It's mostly optics now for the supermarkets as far as I can see. Queuing for the most part seems to have disappeared and as long as things are cleaned and they've signage in place then I think they're happy enough with that. Tesco is especially difficult to get around due to the amount of staff picking customer orders.

ShineOn7

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

No Dunnes Stores employees wearing face masks in my local Dunnes.

Which Dunnes?

Contact them on their social media and email. Leave a comment under their most recent Facebook post

It sounds silly but some retailers take notice of social media feedback before emails these days

freshpopcorn

Does anybody know of Dunnes are still strict about the one person per family rule?
IE Different members of the same family want to buy clothes.

JoeLapira

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Does anybody know of Dunnes are still strict about the one person per family rule?
IE Different members of the same family want to buy clothes.

We have eased this rule in the store I work in this week if that's any help and we have followed head office guidelines to the book so far.

freshpopcorn

JoeLapira wrote: »

We have eased this rule in the store I work in this week if that's any help and we have followed head office guidelines to the book so far.

Thanks,
I live in a small town and the supermarkets apart from one have always being relaxed enough about it mainly because we don't have the crowds.

ben.schlomo

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Thanks,
I live in a small town and the supermarkets apart from one have always being relaxed enough about it mainly because we don't have the crowds.

We were in one yesterday as a family of three as we needed to get the little fella something particular. No issues, again as long as they're being seen to say the right thing then there's no real issues.

jlm29

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Does anybody know of Dunnes are still strict about the one person per family rule?
IE Different members of the same family want to buy clothes.

There was definitely a family of 4 in dunnes when I was there yesterday, and I’ve seen a couple of twos in the last couple of weeks.

jlm29

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

No Dunnes Stores employees wearing face masks in my local Dunnes. Customers were wearing masks. Staff packing shelves and not social distancing from customers. In fact customers seemed invisible to the floor staff.

Tbh, when it comes to stocking shelves they haven’t much choice. If they keep stopping and starting and moving 2 m away from whatever they’re doing every time a customer faffs over which tin of beans to buy, they’ll be there all day. I would see it as the customers responsibility to make up their mind and pick up their items quickly and move past the staff.

Princess Calla

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Does anybody know of Dunnes are still strict about the one person per family rule?
IE Different members of the same family want to buy clothes.

Dunnes was never strict on the rule. It was advisory only.

Sure people can queue one behind the other and meet inside

freshpopcorn

Princess Calla wrote: »

Dunnes was never strict on the rule. It was advisory only.

Sure people can queue one behind the other and meet inside

One of my local shops were strict. British supermarket chain.
A certain bossy employee.
If a lady in her late 50's arrived at the door at 8:59 to an empty supermarket. She wouldn't let her in because she wasn't over 65.
They've the queue marked out with a cord. If you arrive at the queue and there was nobody in it. You could basically walk to the top and stay away from her. She'd make you turn back and queue up correctly.
She'd know people locally.
She's always on a bit of a power trip.

Away With The Fairies

Been to two shops in the past week, where the person at the door were just letting people in. I thought it might be one out, one in type of system... But it hasn't been like that at. I watched for the person in front of me, if someone exited the shop but nope and again with myself, no one exited the shop and just allowed in.

Has anyone else noticed this? What's the point anymore?

odyssey06

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Been to two shops in the past week, where the person at the door were just letting people in. I thought it might be one out, one in type of system... But it hasn't been like that at. I watched for the person in front of me, if someone exited the shop but nope and again with myself, no one exited the shop and just allowed in.
Has anyone else noticed this? What's the point anymore?

How large was the shop? Maybe they would only start limiting after X customers.

The big supermarkets in my area (D3) such as LIDL, Supervalu all have queuing in place.

freshpopcorn

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Been to two shops in the past week, where the person at the door were just letting people in. I thought it might be one out, one in type of system... But it hasn't been like that at. I watched for the person in front of me, if someone exited the shop but nope and again with myself, no one exited the shop and just allowed in.

Has anyone else noticed this? What's the point anymore?

Maybe the store hadn’t reached fully capacity yet?

wonski

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Been to two shops in the past week, where the person at the door were just letting people in. I thought it might be one out, one in type of system... But it hasn't been like that at. I watched for the person in front of me, if someone exited the shop but nope and again with myself, no one exited the shop and just allowed in.

Has anyone else noticed this? What's the point anymore?

They have clickers and only stop letting people in if the max capacity of the store is reached.

It's not like there are queues in every store every time.

Was the store overcrowded?

Away With The Fairies

wonski wrote: »

They have clickers and only stop letting people in if the max capacity of the store is reached.

It's not like there are queues in every store every time.

Was the store overcrowded?

Thanks for clearing it up. I didn't see any clickers. First shop was crowded but second wasn't.

at9qu5vp0wcix7

wonski wrote: »

They have clickers and only stop letting people in if the max capacity of the store is reached.

It's not like there are queues in every store every time.

Was the store overcrowded?

Most have clickers, but more recently some have just been chancing it and arbitrarily letting more people in.

is_that_so

wonski wrote: »

They have clickers and only stop letting people in if the max capacity of the store is reached.

It's not like there are queues in every store every time.

Was the store overcrowded?

Is that really the case now? Dropped into Lidl today and it was a normal Saturday afternoon with a fairly full car park and a lot of people in the shop in comparison with previous weeks. The queues have now gone and people were stopping to chat inside. What is happening, and should be anyway, is more tills open.

zell12

UK: less stock on shelves, prices go up in the past few months
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53023553

Atlantic Dawn

zell12 wrote: »

UK: less stock on shelves, prices go up in the past few months
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53023553

I think here alcohol specials have certainly taken a hit since it all kicked off.