The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

Joe_ Public

devnull wrote: »

Sky didn't get one either I noticed and they've normally got one every day, but then again they gave the Tories a pretty rough ride the last few days and Beth Rigby and Sam Coates have been much more forensic than the BBC.

There was one comment from Beth Rigby earlier on when they were talking about the Castle that Cummings apparently went to, where she said essentially said something along the lines of how good it would have been if there was just a simple direct question about it to BJ. Makes you wonder if she wanted to but she was not selected.

Could be. Though it's a wonder she didn't mention it when she was analysing the briefing afterwards. But am sure that's first time havent heard sky asking a question, usually second after BBC, so it is suspicious alright.

Timberrrrrrrr

brickster69 wrote: »

Maybe the child with severe autism was not familiar with the sister who lives round the corner and more familiar with family where he spends most of his time.

Where is the proof the child has "severe autism"?

His Brother also lives in London, could he not have looked after him or are you suggesting that the child sees more of his grandparents who live 260 miles away than anyone else?

Seth Brundle

brickster69 wrote: »

Maybe the child with severe autism was not familiar with the sister who lives round the corner and more familiar with family where he spends most of his time.

Oh, would you stop making excuses for the pathetic hypocrite?
If it was a genuine excuse, then it would have been trotted out by now. The fact is that there was no excuse for him travelling 260 miles to visit his parents apart from utter contempt for the UK people.

brickster69

robinph wrote: »

Pretty sure they don't diagnose autism that young.

Does Cummings kid have such a diagnosis?

https://www.autism.org.uk/about/diagnosis/children.aspx

Timberrrrrrrr

brickster69 wrote: »

https://www.autism.org.uk/about/diagnosis/children.aspx

Why did he need to drive that far? The child wasnt in the care of anyone other than Cummins and his wife, shopping was dropped off on the doorstep, this could have easily been done in London.

devnull

Interesting tweets.
https://twitter.com/BBCSimonMcCoy/status/1264599075934154752

Not really sure the place to have that discussion is on twitter, probably should have took it to DM.

It's also not a geat look for the BBC, especially considering the backlash Laura has got.

Joe_ Public

brickster69 wrote: »

What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.

Deputy cmo Jenny Harries made it very clear in March what the guidance was in difficult circumstances regarding children.

She said: "Clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance.

"And if the individuals do not have access to care support - formal care support - or to family, they will be able to work through their local authority hubs."

The government says that those with no one to help with getting food, prescriptions or other essentials, could get support from NHS volunteers , or should contact their local council."

She also further pointed out on Saturday that a "risk to life" was also an exceptional circumstance but i think we're discounting that here, though you can never be sure how the story will develop.

brickster69

brickster69 wrote: »

https://www.autism.org.uk/about/diagnosis/children.aspx

I've Googled it and not seeing anywhere referring to his child having autism. It's good to see you're being inventive in your defence of him.

A Dub in Glasgo

brickster69 wrote: »

What would anyone else do if they was closely working with someone who had come down with Corona for long period and there 4 YO child had autism.

You are now inventing excuses

brickster69

Deleted User wrote: »

I've Googled it and not seeing anywhere referring to his child having autism. It's good to see you're being inventive in your defence of him.

What, is everyones child's medical condition supposed to be disclosed to the general public for them to scrutinise ?

Timberrrrrrrr

brickster69 wrote: »

What, is everyones child's medical condition supposed to be disclosed to the general public for them to scrutinise ?

And yet you know about it?

robinph

brickster69 wrote: »

You presume that

Does his kid have autism?

If they do then presumably they are already getting professional support locally to their home rather than in Durham. They have shops for food in London. They have people who are capable of delivering food to you doorstep in London. They have social services in London. They have all the resources of the government available to him in London.

Why did he need to drive the length of the country whilst I'll? Why was he out of isolation before 14 days? Why was he travelling back to Durham again, possibly twice more? Why was he unaware of the line "Do not leave home under any circumstances."?

Seth Brundle

robinph wrote: »

Why was he unaware of the line "Do not leave home under any circumstances."?

Just to be clear, as an attendee of SAGE meetings he would be acutely aware of government policy and the "science" behind it.

Enzokk

brickster69 wrote: »

What, is everyones child's medical condition supposed to be disclosed to the general public for them to scrutinise ?

I think you have deliberately missed my reply,

Enzokk wrote: »

UK Government advice

It is very important that individuals with symptoms that may be due to coronavirus (COVID-19) and their household members stay at home. Staying at home will help control the spread of the virus to friends, the wider community, and particularly the most vulnerable.

Why are you getting defensive about people asking if his child has autism? You brought it into the thread. Either you have evidence that his child has autism, or it is not public and you are sharing private information on a public forum or you are just making things up.


Other news, more members of the SAGE sub-group are showing their disdain for the damage Johnson has done today,

https://twitter.com/ReicherStephen/status/1264611728073121798?s=20

https://twitter.com/SusanMichie/status/1264613199162281986?s=20

devnull

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Just to be clear, as an attendee of SAGE meetings he would be acutely aware of government policy and the "science" behind it.

On the subject of SAGE, a member of the group feeding into it has spoken out saying that Johnson has effectively thrown away all their hard work to get people to comply and also all the advice that has been given out.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1264613138063937541
Johnson is clueless. He is getting it from absolutely all angles now, the media, his own MPs, the scientists, Tory commentators, you name it, he's getting flack for it and he could have avoided it all if he sacked Cummings.

He didn't and now this risks turning into a full blown crisis that will engulf the Government and it's all his fault.

Enzokk

That tweet from the Civil Service account will be investigated by the Cabinet Office. Disloyalty like that will not be tolerated it seems. But your tweeter will not be alone if he faces the consequences of telling the truth to the world.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1264617551411261441?s=20

Richard Hillman

dogbert27 wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing Keir Starmer challenge Boris on the Cummings issue!

I'll tell you what will happen.

Starmer will hammer him. Boris will get hammered in the media this week. The viewing figures will be miniscule. The reaction from the media will be taken in by a tiny percentage of voters. Nobody will care during the General Election in 2024.

Joe_ Public

Enzokk wrote: »

That tweet from the Civil Service account will be investigated by the Cabinet Office. Disloyalty like that will not be tolerated it seems. But your tweeter will not be alone if he faces the consequences of telling the truth to the world.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1264617551411261441?s=20

How about investigating how the DHSC twitter account became a portal for attacking journalists writing critical stories of the government since the crisis began? Won't hold breath on that one, anyway.

maebee

Jesus, this would make you pine for the days of Theresa May and the backstop

Beasty

Deleted User wrote: »

His wife's sister lived around the corner. He also went back to Durham weeks later.

His wife does not have a sister

HBC08

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Johnson just treated everyone in the UK with utter contempt live on TV

And half the UK will back him to the hilt.
There are zero consequences for him,it's a sh1t show and it's only going to get worse.
Facts and reality are obsolete now

theteal

Call me a cynic but I just don't believe the audio "issue" was at the BBC end of the link.

robinph

Whatever it is that Cummings has on Johnson must be good.

Was Johnson playing the role of the pigs head at Camerons Bullingdon club incident?

Beasty

devnull wrote: »

There was one comment from Beth Rigby earlier on when they were talking about the Castle that Cummings apparently went to, on about it to BJ.

Barnard Castle is a town (which does host a castle of the same name)

Just to confuse things though, Cummins' 84 year old father in law does own a castle in Northumberland - Chillingham Castle

Is there any suggestion he did take his son to a "castle" or is that simply confusion about the town of the same name?

If he did visit the 84 yo father in law knowing he and his wife both had it (or were pretty sure they had it), then that's another "breach"

Enzokk

Why are we discussing whether they had family in London? The advice is clear, if anyone in your home is showing symptoms you get home and you stay indoors. People died at home alone, grasping for breath because that was the advice, but this joker was allowed to travel 260 miles to go to a second home on the property of the parents? Those trying to defend him should be ashamed, there is no defense for anything he did. If he was just a normal civil servant it would be a something that gets him fired. Being the top advisor to the PM and in the SAGE meetings as well, there is no excuse or reason for him to still be employed.

Harry Palmr

Brendan O'Neill on Sky News positing an entirely predictable defence of the indefensible.

RasTa

This lad?

brickster69

Beasty wrote: »

His wife does not have a sister

Dominic Cummings mother Morag is a special needs teacher and behavioural specialist

robinph

Beasty wrote: »

If he did visit the 84 yo father in law knowing he and his wife both had it (or were pretty sure they had it), then that's another "breach"

Leaving the house to go to a tourist attraction would be a breach. Driving somewhere to exercise would be a breach. Leaving isolation before the 14 days were up would be a breach. Visiting relatives would be a breach.

There is nothing OK about any of his actions, and this was all in the first weeks of lockdown so can hardly claim that he had forgotten the slogans he invented already.

Enzokk

Beasty wrote: »

Barnard Castle is a town (which does host a castle of the same name)

Just to confuse things though, Cummins' 84 year old father in law does own a castle in Northumberland - Chillingham Castle

Is there any suggestion he did take his son to a "castle" or is that simply confusion about the town of the same name?

If he did visit the 84 yo father in law knowing he and his wife both had it (or were pretty sure they had it), then that's another "breach"

Seems they went to the town and that is where he was spotted and his number plate was noted by a member of the public. Remember that questions was asked already when this happened about his whereabouts but No.10 never responded to the request for comment.

Dominic Cummings timeline: what we know about his movements

Sunday 7 April: The ‘Abba’ sighting
The following days, by Wakefield’s account, were a mixture of family idyll and health nightmare, as she made a “palace out of polystyrene packaging” with their son even as Cummings’s breathing got so bad that she feared he should be in hospital.

But 10 days after her husband first fell ill, she said, he began to feel better – just as Boris Johnson went into hospital. That would place the improvement in his condition around Sunday 5 April, although 10 days after the 28th – the earliest point at which Cummings was said to have been symptomatic – was 7 April.

That Sunday, a passerby told the Guardian, they spotted Cummings by sheer chance. The encounter was fleeting but memorable: Cummings was standing outside with his little boy, in “dark coat and thick tartan scarf”, and Abba was playing at full blast.

On the same day, the Guardian asked Downing Street about the claims. “It’ll be a ‘no comment’ on that one,” an official responded. On the Friday of the same week, after establishing further details, the Guardian asked again. Again, the response was no comment.

robinph

brickster69 wrote: »

Dominic Cummings mother Morag is a special needs teacher and behavioural specialist

Do they not have any of those skills in London?
Is there anyone under the age of 70 in London with those skills?
Does the cheif advisor to the PM have the means to locate people with those skills in London?

Enzokk

brickster69 wrote: »

Dominic Cummings mother Morag is a special needs teacher and behavioural specialist

That is nice, what does this have to do with him breaking quarantine when his wife displayed symptoms?

AllForIt

Hypocrites

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1264623605108924416

Aidric

robinph wrote: »

Whatever it is that Cummings has on Johnson must be good.

Was Johnson playing the role of the pigs head at Camerons Bullingdon club incident?

Would he even need something? Johnson is a charlatan in plain sight. His cabinet is stuffed with lackeys who are alien to policy.

They have hitched their wagons to Cummings on the back of his Brexit campaign and are scared shítless of releasing the tow.

Their hope is that all this will blow over but the backlash is widespread so I reckon their hope if forlorn.

Seth Brundle

AllForIt wrote: »

Hypocrites

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1264623605108924416

But its ok now to ignore the rules, isnt it?

REXER

AllForIt wrote: »

Hypocrites

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1264623605108924416

Thats fine, they were following their instincts! Nothing to see here.
(News hound instincts) LOL

robinph

AllForIt wrote: »

Hypocrites

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1264623605108924416

I'm sure I've seen police enforcing the now non existent rules standing closer than 2m to each other without wearing masks etc. It's part of their job and they accept the risks it brings. They are also outside and not actually next to each other for more than a second or two.

Now what about "Don't leave home under any circumstances" is it that means you should drive to Durham?

Enzokk

AllForIt wrote: »

Hypocrites

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1264623605108924416

Stop deflecting. This is the same crap when the deaths were soaring in the UK on this thread, a few posters throwing in posts that is meant to deflect and distract. Either engage with other posters or don't bother posting because this does nothing for this topic.


In other news, a complaint has now been made in Durham against Cummings.

Dominic Cummings reported to police as ex-chief constable accuses him of risking lives

Dominic Cummings was reported to police tonight for an alleged breach of lockdown as an ex-chief constable accused him of ‘selfishly’ ignoring the rules - and risking lives.

Mike Barton, who retired from the top job with Durham Police last year, warned that in driving almost 260 miles North when his wife was showing signs of infection, Mr Cummings was ignoring vital safety advice.

His attack came as Robin Lees, 71, reported Cummings for a suspected breach of lockdown.

The retired teacher believes he spotted him out in Barnard Castle, Co Durham on April 12.

Now he can get away with it, barely, with driving all that way from London. But if he was found to have visited the town 30 miles away he has no legs to stand on and should be fined for breaking the lockdown guidance. Then Johnson would have wasted all this capital on defending him and it would be untenable if it is found he didn't just stay indoors while being there.

https://twitter.com/LisaWWilkins/status/1264601641090678784?s=20


Edit to add: Another member of the sub-group making their feelings known,

https://twitter.com/robertjwest/status/1264618752848642048?s=20

Beasty

robinph wrote: »

Do they not have any of those skills in London?
Is there anyone under the age of 70 in London with those skills?
Does the cheif advisor to the PM have the means to locate people with those skills in London?

His mother is retired and in her seventies....

devnull

AllForIt wrote: »

Hypocrites

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1264623605108924416

That's what I thought about the tweeter when I went and looked at his previous tweets. So full of hate and double standards. Says a lot when you have to resort to tweets from wacky far right people like him do deflect from the story.

Enzokk

Beasty wrote: »

His mother is retired and in her seventies....

So she is in the vulnerable group and needed to be shielded and couldn't look after the child as he was exposed to people who had suspected cases of coronavirus.

You are behind, they didn't go to the parents after they realised the story of them going to his elderly parents who are over 70 is worse than just breaking the lockdown so they went to his sister and his niece who offered their help. So the talk of what his mother did or her skills are irrelevant.

devnull

Be prepared for Round 3 tomorrow:
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1264620185010438152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1264620185010438152&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fminister-faces-questions-after-new-claims-about-cummings-breaking-lockdown-11993673
Reckon the front pages should start to be released in a couple of hours or so, would imagine that they have something else against Cummings. The fact that the Government don't think it will damage them when they've already shot a bigger hole in a boat that's already leaking water shows you how deluded they are.

A Dub in Glasgo

I don't normally copy Rowling tweets due to her stance on Scottish Independence but she is spot on with this series of tweets

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1264595014295990278

Beasty

Assuming this is not brought to a "close" beforehand, it will be interesting to see who the Government put in front of the cameras tomorrow, and how they handle the inevitable questions about Cummings (and then Tuesday, with PM questions on Wednesday as well)

It's going to be a "interesting" few days one way or other

A Dub in Glasgo

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1264625453379321859

AllForIt

Can you believe that since the briefing some ppl are so enraged they didn't get their way after a couple of days of the media presenting it as a dead cert they would, are running around hysterically saying 'Lockdown is over'. They really need to stop watching Sky News and get a grip.

Enzokk

Beasty wrote: »

Assuming this is not brought to a "close" beforehand, it will be interesting to see who the Government put in front of the cameras tomorrow, and how they handle the inevitable questions about Cummings (and then Tuesday, with PM questions on Wednesday as well)

It's going to be a "interesting" few days one way or other

Even if he resigns or is fired tomorrow the questions will still be about how people can trust the government when they defended him for so long. They should have fired him today and Johnson taken the questions on it to defuse it so by tomorrow the story is forgotten. But the longer they wait the longer you see the likes of the scientists starting to post their disgust and this is just as damaging.

ChikiChiki

devnull wrote: »

Be prepared for Round 3 tomorrow:
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1264620185010438152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1264620185010438152&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fminister-faces-questions-after-new-claims-about-cummings-breaking-lockdown-11993673
Reckon the front pages should start to be released in a couple of hours or so, would imagine that they have something else against Cummings. The fact that the Government don't think it will damage them when they've already shot a bigger hole in a boat that's already leaking water shows you how deluded they are.

There has to be CCTV footage of some sorts. Seriously cannot believe this is the hill Boris is willing to die on. I have grossly underestimated his stupidity.

Enzokk

AllForIt wrote: »

Can you believe that since the briefing some ppl are so enraged they didn't get their way after a couple of days of the media presenting it as a dead cert they would, are running around hysterically saying 'Lockdown is over'. They really need to stop watching Sky News and get a grip.

What are you posting about? What people? What way? Can you clarify what you are trying to say or it just looks like some unintelligible rambling, much like Johnson.

A Dub in Glasgo

AllForIt wrote: »

Can you believe that since the briefing some ppl are so enraged they didn't get their way after a couple of days of the media presenting it as a dead cert they would, are running around hysterically saying 'Lockdown is over'. They really need to stop watching Sky News and get a grip.

Did you actually answer the previous question about the actions of Cummings?