COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

nocoverart

Give me that sweet, sweet Vaccine in my bum cheeks if that’s what it takes. Always regretted not traveling enough and would let personal insecurities get in the way. I’m actually In prime position for a bit of solo traveling at some stage next year so no more procrastinating for me, and no more Covid please.

ACitizenErased

nocoverart wrote: »

Give me that sweet, sweet Vaccine in my bum cheeks if that’s what it takes. Always regretted not traveling enough and would let personal insecurities get in the way. I’m actually In prime position for a bit of solo traveling at some stage next year so no more procrastinating for me, and no more Covid please.

I'm planning on travelling big time too after the vaccine. This year will make everyone appreciate the world a little more.

ShineOn7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Irish Independent ask people will they take it

Obviously they could've edited this anyway they wanted, but it's great to see people from so many different ages say "yes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Do-IpiMlA

The anti-vaxers don't stand a chance. Polls have them at 30% and I think more will come around to it by March


We got this

WE GOT THIS?? Where are you? America?

There's Pro choice you know? not everyone who does not want a vaccine is an ANTI VAXER!! you hit your head on the way to the hangin??
It's not a dodgeball tournament either, they don't stand a chance.. how old are you?

We got this..jesus christ almighty...I bet you have a Pan am accent to boot!

Micky 32

rusty cole wrote: »

WE GOT THIS?? Where are you? America?

There's Pro choice you know? not everyone who does not want a vaccine is an ANTI VAXER!! you hit your head on the way to the hangin??
It's not a dodgeball tournament either, they don't stand a chance.. how old are you?

We got this..jesus christ almighty...I bet you have a Pan am accent to boot!

Relax calm down you’d swear you’re miffed that we now have a solution. It’s not really a problem if someone won’t take it. If they are happy enough to have their movements restricted who are we to judge? As acitizenerased and nocoverart including myself have said when we get it we’ll be off on our travels.

funnydoggy

rusty cole wrote: »

WE GOT THIS?? Where are you? America?

There's Pro choice you know? not everyone who does not want a vaccine is an ANTI VAXER!! you hit your head on the way to the hangin??
It's not a dodgeball tournament either, they don't stand a chance.. how old are you?

We got this..jesus christ almighty...I bet you have a Pan am accent to boot!

You okay there man?

Also who's to say he isn't American? :pac:

Miike

rusty cole wrote: »

WE GOT THIS?? Where are you? America?

There's Pro choice you know? not everyone who does not want a vaccine is an ANTI VAXER!! you hit your head on the way to the hangin??
It's not a dodgeball tournament either, they don't stand a chance.. how old are you?

We got this..jesus christ almighty...I bet you have a Pan am accent to boot!

You'd want to turn off your computer or phone and have a nice cup of tea. You're going to strain something being that wound up.

timsey tiger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm planning on travelling big time too after the vaccine. This year will make everyone appreciate the world a little more.

appreciate it enough to do anything about climate change?

Turtwig

timsey tiger wrote: »

appreciate it enough to do anything about climate change?

Our handling of COVID has pretty much demonstrated that we're fcked for climate change and other future problems where the adverse consequences are irreversible in the short term and large scale global cooperation is required to prevent them.

yosemitesam1

hmmm wrote: »

A lot of the "vaccines will not solve things" comments are from the WHO who are worried about the entire world and rightly so, particularly poorer countries. The reality is that the developed world will have lots of vaccines.

There also seems to be a concern that we won't get enough vaccine, how hard it is to manufacture and distribute etc. I don't share these concerns, governments will spend unlimited sums on getting these vaccines made and distributed.

There's also a concern that vaccine hesitancy will prevent herd immunity. I don't share this concern either, societies are not going to put up with living in lockdown indefinitely because of the risk from unvaccinated people.

The last risk is the risk that the virus mutates, or vaccines deliver short-lived immunity. Vaccines can be changed, and we can get booster shots. Simplistic and naïve I know, but the unknowns that remain don't justify the scary news headlines.

The two big concerns should be whether asymptomatic transmission can still occur from vaccinated individuals and whether or not severe disease in the most vulnerable will be prevented.
Those concerns have yet to be answered and won't be answered until a mass rollout happens, leaving the range of potential vaccine benefit from pretty much zero to excellent at this time.

Micky 32

timsey tiger wrote: »

appreciate it enough to do anything about climate change?

Who cares it’s a basic right freedom of travel and people have family abroad. Climate change shyte threads ————>

Bit cynical

I believe the vaccine will reduce significantly the level of virus in the general population though there will still be residual levels in circulation.

My worry is that even though negligible numbers of people will die with the virus, the curtain-twitchers, hypochondriacs and bedwetters who are in the the ascendancy will use this as an excuse to continue restrictions of various sorts long after there's any real threat.

Micky 32

Bit cynical wrote: »

I believe the vaccine will reduce significantly the level of virus in the general population though there will still be residual levels in circulation.

My worry is that even though negligible numbers of people will die with the virus, the curtain-twitchers, hypochondriacs and bedwetters who are in the the ascendancy will use this as an excuse to continue restrictions of various sorts long after there's any real threat.

Not to mention the climate change posse lockdown merchants who think lockdowns and restrictions are saving the world :rolleyes:

Anyway if the virus does what it says on the tin restrictions will be a hard sell to the public. Normality is at the end of the tunnel.

stephenjmcd

Sunday papers reporting that we're due 300,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine in the first delivery in early January, so 150,000 people, expected to be enough to cover all care homes and their staff

giveitholly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sunday papers reporting that we're due 300,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine in the first delivery in early January, so 150,000 people, expected to be enough to cover all care homes and their staff

Just on the Pfizer vaccine,will there be much time between each delivery of the vaccine and will it be 300,000 doses per batch

Micky 32

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sunday papers reporting that we're due 300,000 doses of Pfizer vaccine in the first delivery in early January, so 150,000 people, expected to be enough to cover all care homes and their staff

I think i may have read somewhere by end of February that would be completed. But then this is Ireland :P

Akabusi

Bit cynical wrote: »

I believe the vaccine will reduce significantly the level of virus in the general population though there will still be residual levels in circulation.

My worry is that even though negligible numbers of people will die with the virus, the curtain-twitchers, hypochondriacs and bedwetters who are in the the ascendancy will use this as an excuse to continue restrictions of various sorts long after there's any real threat.

The poor bedwetters only want a dry night's sleep.

Gael23

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think i may have read somewhere by end of February that would be completed. But then this is Ireland :P

The political pressure to get this right is huge so the HSE will have the powers that be all over them to ensure they can’t screw up

Micky 32

Gael23 wrote: »

The political pressure to get this right is huge so the HSE will have the powers that be all over them to ensure they can’t screw up

Hopefully. That alone will take pressure of restrictions/“lockdowns”.

drunkmonkey

Micky 32 wrote: »

Hopefully. That alone will take pressure of restrictions/“lockdowns”.

Can they lift the restrictions on the care homes once there vaccinated? They've been properly cut off from society a long time.

Micky 32

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can they lift the restrictions on the care homes once there vaccinated? They've been properly cut off from society a long time.

One would hope there would be some sort of ease up there. I suspect they’d rather the visitors to be vaccinated aswell before they’d relax.

astrofool

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can they lift the restrictions on the care homes once there vaccinated? They've been properly cut off from society a long time.

They're talking about vaccinating a buddy who visits them regularly at the same time, the restrictions will probably be in place until a significant part of the populace is vaccinated as a number of care home residents will be immuno deficient, and will be relying on others to be vaccinated to be safe. I'd be guessing Spring/Summer as vaccinations levels go up and warm weather has people outside more. Restrictions outside of care homes should start reducing once the most vulnerable are protected, but I'd imagine the returns of events/gigs etc. will probably be middle to end of Summer, all things going well.

Wet pubs can probably open with restricted numbers once the first tranches of vaccine have been given.

yosemitesam1

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can they lift the restrictions on the care homes once there vaccinated? They've been properly cut off from society a long time.

It remains to be seen what protection vaccination will give to the most vulnerable.

Micky 32

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It remains to be seen what protection vaccination will give to the most vulnerable.

The vaccines have shown 94% efficacy in over 65’s. If that’s true there’s a good chance the vaccine will help them.

Marhay70

astrofool wrote: »

Can you elaborate on "not interested in others"? Wearing a mask and following social distancing measures as a non-vulnerable person right now is probably the definition of being interested in others, whether it's protecting the vulnerable, or keeping the hospitals from being overrun.

For yourself, is your reason for not wanting to wear a mask a physical or psychological issue?

I'd fail to see how wearing a mask would make much of a difference to most people when socialising, again, unless there is a psychological issue at play.

I'm thinking the psychological barrier might be the inability to knock back pints and shift the pretty girls.:rolleyes:

yosemitesam1

Micky 32 wrote: »

The vaccines have shown 94% efficacy in over 65’s. If that’s true there’s a good chance the vaccine will help them.

It might help them but it might also make little difference as the vaccine trials weren't setup to see if asymptomatic transmission and severe covid infections would be impacted. Nobody knows and won't know how exactly it will performs at protecting the most vulnerable until it's rolled out

Micky 32

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It might help them but it might also make little difference as the vaccine trials weren't setup to see if asymptomatic transmission and severe covid infections would be impacted. Nobody knows and won't know how exactly it will performs at protecting the most vulnerable until it's rolled out

Well we will just have to hope it does won’t we? I’m sure you’re hoping it does work right? You’re clearly looking for faults in the vaccine. Thankfully from my own research from the actual experts i’m confident your fears are unfounded.

Necro

Mod:

Masks discussion goes in the mask thread, I have deleted multiple off topic posts

yosemitesam1

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well we will just have to hope it does won’t we? I’m sure you’re hoping it does work right? You’re clearly looking for faults in the vaccine. Thankfully from my own research from the actual experts i’m confident your fears are unfounded.

I hope it turns out to be 99%+ effective on everybody but it's important to get actual answers and understand the most likely limitations of any vaccine.
If the research hasn't actually been done, we can't just assume that the biggest hurdles the vaccine faces will be cleared.

Hmmzis

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It might help them but it might also make little difference as the vaccine trials weren't setup to see if asymptomatic transmission and severe covid infections would be impacted. Nobody knows and won't know how exactly it will performs at protecting the most vulnerable until it's rolled out

The 94% also affects hospitalizations vs non-vaccinated matched cohorts. Where you do have a point is if the remaining 6% are still susceptible to severe or moderate disease, that's where the confidence intervals are too wide to tell for sure. Then again, the results have been so onesided that it does look like it should still help for those people as well. It would also line up with what we know from other vaccines.

noserider

Is there a time lapse between getting the vaccine and becoming immune? Weeks/days/hours?

Russman

Just thinking about the roll out of the vaccine, if we got XX amount of doses, whatever it might be, in January, let’s say 250k. Would it be best to give 250k people their first dose and depend on subsequent shipments for the second doses, or give 125k people their first and second dose out of the first batch ?

Russman

noserider wrote: »

Is there a time lapse between getting the vaccine and becoming immune? Weeks/days/hours?

I saw an interview with the BioNtech guy a few days ago. I was only half watching it tbh, but I think he said 7 days after the second dose.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Russman wrote: »

Just thinking about the roll out of the vaccine, if we got XX amount of doses, whatever it might be, in January, let’s say 250k. Would it be best to give 250k people their first dose and depend on subsequent shipments for the second doses, or give 125k people their first and second dose out of the first batch ?

The HSE will know when their second batch is coming and will make their mind up based on that.

There's no evidence what effect giving the second dose 5 weeks after the first dose instead of 3 will have on the efficacy of the vaccine. Probably best to ensure people can have the doses on schedule.

lbj666

Russman wrote: »

Just thinking about the roll out of the vaccine, if we got XX amount of doses, whatever it might be, in January, let’s say 250k. Would it be best to give 250k people their first dose and depend on subsequent shipments for the second doses, or give 125k people their first and second dose out of the first batch ?

If it wasn't trialled for efficacy for one dose, imagine that 2nd dose would be given priority.

Gael23

Russman wrote: »

Just thinking about the roll out of the vaccine, if we got XX amount of doses, whatever it might be, in January, let’s say 250k. Would it be best to give 250k people their first dose and depend on subsequent shipments for the second doses, or give 125k people their first and second dose out of the first batch ?

I did wonder if that was an option. To give as many people as possible some of the vaccine, better than none at all surely. Then the requires second dose when available

StefanFal

Hi,

Flying into Dublin from Stockholm for a few days at Christmas with the family. I can't find any information on getting a Covid test ASAP upon landing.

Does anyone know if its possible at the airport?

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

I did wonder if that was an option. To give as many people as possible some of the vaccine, better than none at all surely. Then the requires second dose when available

No because its proven in trials at certain time intervals, you can't just say oh we'll give you your next dose when it's available, could run into a multitude of issues.

suicide_circus

https://rocdochealthcheck.ie/locations/

This seems to be the company running one of the test centres. Prepare to be charged a fortune.

stephenjmcd

Probably gone slightly under the radar but the defence forces are now involved with the covid task force.

Lieutenant Colonel Louis Flynn, chief of staff of the army's joint task force on Covid-19 - Operation Fortitude. Operation Fortitude was the operation that saw the army roll out test centres across the country.

According to today's independent,

"The Defence Forces will feature heavily in the logistics surrounding the physical roll-out of the vaccine, at least in the early days.

The military medical personnel who were trained in swabbing patients for Covid-19 during the first wave of the pandemic are to receive training on administering vaccines, the source said.

The army will also support the distribution of the vaccine to community testing hubs that will be remodelled as vaccine administration hubs."

Peregrinus

StefanFal wrote: »

Hi,

Flying into Dublin from Stockholm for a few days at Christmas with the family. I can't find any information on getting a Covid test ASAP upon landing.

Does anyone know if its possible at the airport?

Isn't a test on landing a bit late? Makes more sense to get a test before departing Stockholm; that way if you are infected you can avoid travelling, avoid possibly infecting people you care about, and do your quarantining at home, which has to be better than doing it on the road.

(NB: If you're infected on the journey, that wouldn't show up in a test on landing. Generally a test will miss any infection resulting from a contact less than 4 or 5 days previously. So what you want to do is get tested about a week before travel, and then isolate yourself as much as you can to minimise the chance of infection during that week. This obviously doesn't guarantee that you'll be uninfected when you travel, but it's the best you can do.)

Paddygreen

pconn062 wrote: »

Yes, the single biggest issue with regards to the vaccine in Ireland is going to be the ability of our health service to roll it out. Our inept health service is simply not going to be capable of handling such a task and we are already behind many of our european colleagues. I expect Ireland to be a minimum of 6 months behind the rest of western Europe with regards to roll out.

Absolute pandemonium. That is what I am expecting as a professional expert in a field. As long as the common Volkswagen does what Mr Tony says all should be well.

schmoo2k

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It might help them but it might also make little difference as the vaccine trials weren't setup to see if asymptomatic transmission and severe covid infections would be impacted. Nobody knows and won't know how exactly it will performs at protecting the most vulnerable until it's rolled out

I don't understand your point - The trials did test how a vaccinated person (including over 65s) reacted to subsequent Covid infection and in the 6% of cases where they caught Covid it was never severe.

We know a small % of folks who get Covid will need hospitalisation so the trick will be getting those at risk folks the first round of vaccinations.

That won't eliminate Covid, but it will substantially lower the number of Covid related hospitalisations (and deaths).

StefanFal

Peregrinus wrote: »

Isn't a test on landing a bit late? Makes more sense to get a test before departing Stockholm; that way if you are infected you can avoid travelling, avoid possibly infecting people you care about, and do your quarantining at home, which has to be better than doing it on the road.

(NB: If you're infected on the journey, that wouldn't show up in a test on landing. Generally a test will miss any infection resulting from a contact less than 4 or 5 days previously. So what you want to do is get tested about a week before travel, and then isolate yourself as much as you can to minimise the chance of infection during that week. This obviously doesn't guarantee that you'll be uninfected when you travel, but it's the best you can do.)

That's a good idea so thanks for that. Getting tested is a nightmare in Sweden at the moment though. I'll do some digging.

ShineOn7

Going on the past few weeks: Monday = a positive press release from a major vaccine company

Let's hope today follows suit

is_that_so

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Going on the past few weeks: Monday = a positive press release from a major vaccine company

Let's hope today follows suit

Maybe not. The main runners have reported so what we are waiting for are the FDA and EMA approval. THE FDA might be this week, the EMA any time between now and Dec 29.

funnydoggy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Going on the past few weeks: Monday = a positive press release from a major vaccine company

Let's hope today follows suit

Major story from the North Pole: Santa Claus is involved in vaccine rollout worldwide; global herd immunity expected by early February 2021

ShineOn7

funnydoggy wrote: »

Major story from the North Pole: Santa Claus is involved in vaccine rollout worldwide; global herd immunity expected by early February 2021

Good to hear

Because there's no way Mr Trampoline and Paul "how do I still have this job?" Reid don't make an absolute bollix of this in some way or another

funnydoggy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Good to hear

Because there's no way Mr Trampoline and Paul "how do I still have this job?" Reid don't make an absolute bollix of this in some way or another

Santa's fired him and put him in charge of a McDonald's somewhere in the most rural part of the country!

yosemitesam1

schmoo2k wrote: »

I don't understand your point - The trials did test how a vaccinated person (including over 65s) reacted to subsequent Covid infection and in the 6% of cases where they caught Covid it was never severe.

We know a small % of folks who get Covid will need hospitalisation so the trick will be getting those at risk folks the first round of vaccinations.

That won't eliminate Covid, but it will substantially lower the number of Covid related hospitalisations (and deaths).

The trials can't answer how much of an impact on hospitalisations or deaths the vaccine will make. Severe covid is far too rare for them to be able to do that.
We are hoping that it will make a substantial impact and we are also hoping it will be possible for it to reduce the circulation of the virus

CIARAN_BOYLE

is_that_so wrote: »

Maybe not. The main runners have reported so what we are waiting for are the FDA and EMA approval. THE FDA might be this week, the EMA any time between now and Dec 29.

Isn't Johnston and Johnston efficacy data due soon?

Would simplify the roll out as they were looking at a single inject schedule.