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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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    #9152
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I have already pointed out / quoted three of your posts that are just bashing for the sake of it . Where are they backed up ?
    There is no data until we know what the vaccine task force have recommended ,so I merely suggest you wait for that before you give out about it . And that you cutthe Irishresponse the same slack you so generously cut the truly awful UK government.
    No fit just responding to some very unbalanced comments .

    I also pointed out what Japan are planning by the summer, which you conveniently ignored. Also its not bashing for the sake of it unless you consider any and all criticism 'bashing.' In which case I'd advise you maybe avoid internet discussions if you react so strongly to differing opinions.


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    #9153
    Henryq.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Henryq.


    jackboy wrote: »
    It’s a bit worrying alright.

    However, look at Germany. They had a detailed plan in place to start rolling out the vaccine this week. Now no vaccine ready and their Covid management strategy has failed.

    Lol you're kidding right?

    It wasn't their fault the vaccine didn't arrive


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    #9154
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Henryq. wrote: »
    Lol you're kidding right?

    It wasn't their fault the vaccine didn't arrive

    Never said it was. My point is they are exceptional planners and organisers by European standards and they are still in the sh1t.


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    #9155
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    What worries me is the particular storage methods for the moderna vaccine. The low temperatures just leave it open for error.

    Moderna updated their storage requirements, they've confirmed it's stable at fridge temps for up to 30 days after thawing.


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    #9156
    Henryq.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Henryq.


    Has Michael Martin or Leo VarDkar agreed to take the vaccine yet?


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    #9157
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Henryq. wrote: »
    Has Michael Martin or Leo VarDkar agreed to take the vaccine yet?

    You’re clutching at straws now trying to make a point


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    #9158
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    I also pointed out what Japan are planning by the summer, which you conveniently ignored. Also its not bashing for the sake of it unless you consider any and all criticism 'bashing.' In which case I'd advise you maybe avoid internet discussions if you react so strongly to differing opinions.

    Of course Japan are planning so that must mean Ireland aren't ? Is that what you are implying ?
    Every country in the world are planning , but just because ours are cautious and careful in what they are saying does not mean that the plans for rollout aren't just as developed .
    I would trust ours more than the UK ,and think that they are correct not to be sxxxing on before the taskforce have discussed the rollout and the report has been published .
    No problem with different opinions , but people constantly ranting with no evidence to back their rants ..well , your posts really come across as just anti and nothing else really .


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    #9159
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Henryq. wrote: »
    Has Michael Martin or Leo VarDkar agreed to take the vaccine yet?
    Yep they have and are likely to do so in public. I'd assume ministers will too.


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    #9160
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Of course Japan are planning so that must mean Ireland aren't ? Is that what you are implying ?
    Every country in the world are planning , but just because ours are cautious and careful in what they are saying does not mean that the plans for rollout aren't just as developed .
    I would trust ours more than the UK ,and think that they are correct not to be sxxxing on before the taskforce have discussed the rollout and the report has been published .
    No problem with different opinions , but people constantly ranting with no evidence to back their rants ..well , your posts really come across as just anti and nothing else really .

    Look I'm not wasting any more time trying to break down my points so you can understand them. If you have a problem with my posts or their content, flag them for the mods rather than following me around complaining because you don't agree with me


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    #9161
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Great that an Irish vaccine is getting the go ahead for trials

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-40190268.html?fbclid=IwAR0vRmA_ymLrsdW38i9Eeq35HujU1hYrFJhSQL7z6OSziyEakQTFoWs_UnA


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    #9162
    Vicxas
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    Fantastic news. Hopefully will go the distance


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    #9163
    Russman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,876 ✭✭✭Russman


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Great that an Irish vaccine is getting the go ahead for trials

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-40190268.html?fbclid=IwAR0vRmA_ymLrsdW38i9Eeq35HujU1hYrFJhSQL7z6OSziyEakQTFoWs_UnA

    Are they challenge trials or just normal ones ? The article mentions a quarantine facility.


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    #9164
    [Deleted User]
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    Russman wrote: »
    Are they challenge trials or just normal ones ? The article mentions a quarantine facility.

    Normal trials, participants may have to quarantine as they will using live attenuated virus so there is a tiny chance the vaccine may make you infectious.


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    #9165
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    Look I'm not wasting any more time trying to break down my points so you can understand them. If you have a problem with my posts or their content, flag them for the mods rather than following me around complaining because you don't agree with me

    Hardly following you around . You post on the thread you can expect a response . You were replying to me also so how would you.
    I am not " complaining ." Or is it your opinion that anyone disagreeing with you is complaining?

    I disagree with the way you were repeatedly saying that the response was inadequate when it hadn't been published yet .
    AND as I said and you ignored, that just because other countries like the UK were better at their PR , it doesn't mean that they are likely to be any better at dealing with this than they have shown themselves, heretofore. Or that our rollout will be as disastrous as you keep saying.

    If you have something constructive to say, let's hear it , for a change .
    I am tired of you playing the man ,so to speak, and not the ball.


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    #9166
    MonkieSocks
    Registered Users Posts: 8,300 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Normal trials, participants may have to quarantine as they will using live attenuated virus so there is a tiny chance the vaccine may make you infectious.

    If so.....it might not be an effective treatment for people in Nursing Homes or residential care setting or Hospital Staff

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



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    #9167
    [Deleted User]
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    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    If so.....it might not be an effective treatment for people in Nursing Homes or residential care setting

    No, but I'm guessing the hope with this would be it might be one to use on young people and possibly eventually achieve eradication of the virus. These vaccine types tend to give long term protection for other viruses.

    Given it's only just starting out I don't think it will play any part in ending the pandemic but might be a useful tool long term.


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    #9168
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    If so.....it might not be an effective treatment for people in Nursing Homes or residential care setting or Hospital Staff

    Live attenuated vaccine have historically been among the most effective for full long term protection. Even for the flu the nasal spray live versions can get over 80% efficacy while the inactivated ones are lucky to get 50% on matched strains.

    Live virus vaccines are usually for children and healthy adults to stop them being carriers. The polio and flu vaccines can be contagious.

    Btw. Viral vectors and mRNA are trying to get the same effect but without the replicating bit as they also work from within the cell.


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    #9169
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    Live attenuated vaccine have historically been among the most effective for full long term protection. Even for the flu the nasal spray live versions can get over 80% efficacy while the inactivated ones are lucky to get 50% on matched strains.

    Live virus vaccines are usually for children and healthy adults to stop them being carriers. The polio and flu vaccines can be contagious.

    Btw. Viral vectors and mRNA are trying to get the same effect but without the replicating bit as they also work from within the cell.

    Yes. The hVivo nasal vaccine requesting to be trialled in UK is being discussed on the main thread .
    Would not be for anyone high risk or older but would be ideal for healthy younger people and children if it works and gets approval .


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    #9170
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Hardly following you around . You post on the thread you can expect a response . You were replying to me also so how would you.
    I am not " complaining ." Or is it your opinion that anyone disagreeing with you is complaining?

    I disagree with the way you were repeatedly saying that the response was inadequate when it hadn't been published yet .
    AND as I said and you ignored, that just because other countries like the UK were better at their PR , it doesn't mean that they are likely to be any better at dealing with this than they have shown themselves, heretofore. Or that our rollout will be as disastrous as you keep saying.

    If you have something constructive to say, let's hear it , for a change .
    I am tired of you playing the man ,so to speak, and not the ball.

    You threw a fit and accused me of ranting. I asked you to back it up and all you did was essentially say you didn't like what I was saying. The HSE is a mess. I can refer to debacles, scandals and errors aplenty to back up my argument. I don't believe for a second that they'll suddenly get their act together for covid or the vaccine so I'm allowed to state my opinion. You might get suckered hook line and sinker by the feel good ads on the telly but i don't.


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    #9171
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    I think this has relevance to vaccines in regards to how they might limit spread.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102

    The surprising finding for me there was the asymptomatic household attack rate - 0.7%
    While the symptomatic household attack rate was found to be 18%
    That's a 20x difference in viral spread. Even if you take the worst case CI values it still is multiples less spread from an asymptomatic person.

    Even if there is some vaccine candidate out there that does nothing else but reduce symptoms then it will help reducing spread.


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    #9172
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    You threw a fit and accused me of ranting. I asked you to back it up and all you did was essentially say you didn't like what I was saying. The HSE is a mess. I can refer to debacles, scandals and errors aplenty to back up my argument. I don't believe for a second that they'll suddenly get their act together for covid or the vaccine so I'm allowed to state my opinion. You might get suckered hook line and sinker by the feel good ads on the telly but i don't.

    Where did I throw a fit ?;))
    Looks like you are ranting again ....

    I know all about the HSE, just don't see why you are having a go about the vaccine rollout that hasn't even been approved by the EMA yet!
    You should not let yourself get so angry about things you cannot control , lol.


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    #9173
    irishgeo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Vaccines won't end the pandemic. But will end the restrictions.


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    #9174
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    irishgeo wrote: »
    Vaccines won't end the pandemic. But will end the restrictions.


    According to that one with the glasses social distancing, masks etc are here to stay, that’s the impression she gives.


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    #9175
    Approved User Assesment
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Approved User Assesment


    irishgeo wrote: »
    Vaccines won't end the pandemic. But will end the restrictions.
    For some.

    Unless it vanishes, the 40% who choose to opt-out of vaccines will be restricted from many jobs, travel, services or locations. Perhaps other factors such as insurance policies, fiscal offerings, loans and so on. Not forgetting a possible future UBI type policy.


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    #9176
    irishgeo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Approved User Assesment wrote: »
    For some.

    Unless it vanishes, the 40% who choose to opt-out of vaccines will be restricted from many jobs, travel, services or locations. Perhaps other factors such as insurance policies, fiscal offerings, loans and so on. Not forgetting a possible future UBI type policy.

    40% you get a source for that number.


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    #9177
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users Posts: 7,760 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Approved User Assesment wrote: »
    For some.

    Unless it vanishes, the 40% who choose to opt-out of vaccines will be restricted from many jobs, travel, services or locations. Perhaps other factors such as insurance policies, fiscal offerings, loans and so on. Not forgetting a possible future UBI type policy.

    If they choose to opt out for anything other than health reasons then good enough for them


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    #9178
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    According to that one with the glasses social distancing, masks etc are here to stay, that’s the impression she gives.

    If social distancing is here to stay indefinitely, how is the next generation of the human race to be procreated?

    Just wondering.:confused:


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    #9179
    Sephiroth_dude
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    You threw a fit and accused me of ranting. I asked you to back it up and all you did was essentially say you didn't like what I was saying. The HSE is a mess. I can refer to debacles, scandals and errors aplenty to back up my argument. I don't believe for a second that they'll suddenly get their act together for covid or the vaccine so I'm allowed to state my opinion. You might get suckered hook line and sinker by the feel good ads on the telly but i don't.
    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Where did I throw a fit ?;))
    Looks like you are ranting again ....

    I know all about the HSE, just don't see why you are having a go about the vaccine rollout that hasn't even been approved by the EMA yet!
    You should not let yourself get so angry about things you cannot control , lol.

    Stop the bickering the pair of ye, don't interact with one another again


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    #9180
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    If social distancing is here to stay indefinitely, how is the next generation of the human race to be procreated?

    Just wondering.:confused:

    I’m wondering the exact same. She wasn’t very clear but she stated that the vaccine is only a tool and the measures will have to remain in place to tackle the pandemic that the vaccine won’t end.


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    #9181
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users Posts: 7,760 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I’m wondering the exact same. She wasn’t very clear but she stated the vaccine only a tool and the measure will have to remain to tackle the pandemic that the vaccine won’t end.

    It's becoming tiresome at this stage. Even if the vaccine reduces severe disease and nothing else, there's no reason for restrictions to be kept on. Literally none.


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