Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

punisher5112

never_mind wrote: »

This.

We have to all culturally change (the public themselves and pubs/shops) and I think this lockdown was so mentally awful for a lot of us that we have already learned a few things about what we should and should not do.

All well and good but I unfortunately have to deal with the public and there are still quite a few going around as thick as two planks.....

showpony1

The whole point of going to pubs for majority who spend most of the cash there are either groups out for sports (which aren't on), social interactions with strangers on nights out in town (which seems a no go), single people on dates looking for the shift etc. The pubs may as well not open if there is a laundry list of restrictions.
Big Beer gardens probably the only usual attraction that could still work.

never_mind

punisher5112 wrote: »

All well and good but I unfortunately have to deal with the public and there are still quite a few going around as thick as two planks.....

If you have security that can enforce it I don't see the issue!

MadYaker

I'm hoping the illegal rave scene from the 90s gets a revive.

ratracer

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Well this is it, at some point we will be able to return to normal but what do we do until such time.

Staying in a state of indefinite lockdown is simply not sustainable and we should give businesses the chance to re-open as soon as possible rather than 'waiting for a magic vaccine'.

The last month has already changed people's attitudes towards social distancing, I haven't seen any of my friends in that time and when I do I'll stay 2m away. I don't see why this can't continue to be the case if businsses put appropriate measures in place and ensure people observe them as best they can.

I’d fully agree with this, and think this also needs to be addressed by Leo or Simon on the briefing re May 9th. We can not indefinitely be left sitting at home.

punisher5112

never_mind wrote: »

If you have security that can enforce it I don't see the issue!

But then these are been put at unnecessary risk....

Ruckinspector

Personally think the Ministers comments about pubs remaining shut until a vaccine is found a bit extreme,I appreciate he’s being honest and although not his biggest fan I think he’s come across well during this.Would it not have been better to say let’s review at the end of the period,engage with the VFI and consider how a re-opening may look etc.Everyone knows pre virus normality is a long way off but we really need to start thinking creatively how we’ll live with it,I’m not advocating being reckless but I think to date,rightly we’ve been on the defensive and I’d like the narrative to change to how we can go on the offensive in terms our society and our economy.

Huntergonzo

punisher5112 wrote: »

But then these are been put at unnecessary risk....

If they're necessary for the business then it's not an unnecessary risk.

Also, they don't have to take the job, that's entirely their own call.

never_mind

punisher5112 wrote: »

But then these are been put at unnecessary risk....

As are frontliners, generally. You could say that shop keepers are the same. It's the kind of black and white thinking that is going to hamper creative thinking to protect everyone.

Ulysses Gaze

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Well this is it, at some point we will be able to return to normal but what do we do until such time.

Staying in a state of indefinite lockdown is simply not sustainable and we should give businesses the chance to re-open as soon as possible rather than 'waiting for a magic vaccine'.

The last month has already changed people's attitudes towards social distancing, I haven't seen any of my friends in that time and when I do I'll stay 2m away. I don't see why this can't continue to be the case if businsses put appropriate measures in place and ensure people observe them as best they can.

Never going to happen in a confined space such as a pub.

If you really expect pubs in Ireland to actively enforce only allowing 20 people into a space where they could pack 100, you are deluded.

WoollyRedHat

Think people misintepreted his comments. He said pubs couldn't go back to being packed like they were before the lockdown, until we have a vaccine. So that translates into pubs operating in a reduced capacity for the foreseeable future. Enforcement would be the real issue here of course.

You could finally see the arrival of the cafe bar culture as a direct response to all this, with stringent social distancing measures observed.

FloatingVoter

showpony1 wrote: »

The whole point of going to pubs for majority who spend most of the cash there are either groups out for sports (which aren't on), social interactions with strangers on nights out in town (which seems a no go), single people on dates looking for the shift etc. The pubs may as well not open if there is a laundry list of restrictions.
Big Beer gardens probably the only usual attraction that could still work.

People need to meet and occasionally reproduce. Office romances are off the cards due to potential misunderstandings or genuine sexual harassment charges. I expect Tinder / Hinge....other hook-up sites to be history by Christmas (good riddance). How would you propose two strangers meet ?

The Nal

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Think people misintepreted his comments. He said pubs couldn't go back to being packed like they were before the lockdown, until we have a vaccine. So that translates into pubs operating in a reduced capacity for the foreseeable future.

You could finally see the arrival of the cafe bar culture as a direct response to all this, with stringent social distancing measures observed.

Not a great business model. 80% empty premises with people nursing drinks.

Most pubs won't be able to operate unless they're busy so its all or nothing for a lot of them.

never_mind

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Never going to happen in a confined space such as a pub.

If you really expect pubs in Ireland to actively enforce only allowing 20 people into a space where they could pack 100, you are deluded.

.... Every Supervalu, Tesco, and Dunnes have limited their numbers to 100. There is a line when it is full. Smaller shops like Spars allow 6-10 people in. There is a line when it is full.

The line is enforced by a security man. The security man manages the line.

never_mind

The Nal wrote: »

Not a great business model. 80% empty premises with people nursing drinks.

Like most pubs outside of Dublin, tbh.

Ulysses Gaze

never_mind wrote: »

.... Every Supervalu, Tesco, and Dunnes have limited their numbers to 100. There is a line when it is full. Smaller shops like Spars allow 6-10 people in. There is a line when it is full.

The line is enforced by a security man. The security man manages the line.

Food is necessary. Booze is not.

Booze causes people to become more irrational, take more risks and be less hygenic generally.

Most pubs are not even big enough spaces to enforce 2 metre distancing anyway.
And how will people socialise properly with that distancing anway?

They will not be open again until 2021 at the earliest.

FloatingVoter

never_mind wrote: »

.... Every Supervalu, Tesco, and Dunnes have limited their numbers to 100. There is a line when it is full. Smaller shops like Spars allow 6-10 people in. There is a line when it is full.

The line is enforced by a security man. The security man manages the line.

I don't go shopping in Spar with five of my pals, each arriving separately. It's a pub, not a conveyor belt.

never_mind

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Food is necessary. Booze is not.

Booze causes people to become more irrational, take more risks and be less hygenic generally.

Most pubs are not even big enough spaces to enforce 2 metre distancing anyay.

They will not be open again until 2021 at the earliest.

You're right - food is necessary and booze is not.

But I think you will be very surprised to see these open up before 2021 but then again, you are more than welcome to stay home til then.

Ulysses Gaze

never_mind wrote: »

You're right - food is necessary and booze is not.

But I think you will be very surprised to see these open up before 2021 but then again, you are more than welcome to stay home til then.

And how will people socialise properly with that distancing anway?

FloatingVoter

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And how will people socialise properly with that distancing anway?

They won't. We'll get pissed and monkey about like before. Human nature.

never_mind

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And how will people socialise properly with that distancing anway?

2 meters between tables and you reserve the table before you go in and stick to it. Pubs are not clubs and can be organised differently and imo safely.

jimmycrackcorm

never_mind wrote: »

.... Every Supervalu, Tesco, and Dunnes have limited their numbers to 100. There is a line when it is full. Smaller shops like Spars allow 6-10 people in. There is a line when it is full.

The line is enforced by a security man. The security man manages the line.

Pubs have years of experience of having bouncers say: Not tonight bud.

MadYaker

I read his (Harris) comments again and his actual quote is:

“So I can’t see how people can be in packed pubs again as long as this virus is still with us and we don’t have a vaccine or an effective treatment.”

He said vaccine or effective treatment which are two very different things. Loads of drugs that already existed are being trialed for their effectiveness against Covid 19 and we should have effective treatments long before a vaccine, hopefully in the next few months. Perhaps that combined with bulking up health system capacity along with 5x more testing and contact tracing would allow us to begin moving away from social distancing.

Ulysses Gaze

FloatingVoter wrote: »

They won't. We'll get pissed and monkey about like before. Human nature.

And think about the madness after closing time in central Dublin, Galway, Cork, Limerick et al.

jonnny68

MadYaker wrote: »

I'm hoping the illegal rave scene from the 90s gets a revive.

yesss :)

FloatingVoter

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And think about the madness after closing time in central Dublin, Galway, Cork, Limerick et al.

Yup :):):):)


Now's the time to buy stock in Durex.

Ulysses Gaze

MadYaker wrote: »

I read his (Harris) comments again and his actual quote is:

“So I can’t see how people can be in packed pubs again as long as this virus is still with us and we don’t have a vaccine or an effective treatment.”

He said vaccine or effective treatment which are too very different things. Loads of drugs that already existed are being trialed for their effectiveness against Covid 19 and we should have effective treatments long before a vaccine, hopefully in the next few months. Perhaps that combined with bulking up health system capacity along with 5x more testing and contact tracing would allow us to begin moving away from social distancing.

I'm much more hopeful of Anti-Viral treatment being discovered well before a vaccine.

Huntergonzo

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Never going to happen in a confined space such as a pub.

If you really expect pubs in Ireland to actively enforce only allowing 20 people into a space where they could pack 100, you are deluded.

It is possible, give them a chance. I don't believe in the dictatorial approach of banning them all because a few may not obey the rules.

Also the garda presence has never been higher, so surely they could conduct regular checks.

Huntergonzo

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And how will people socialise properly with that distancing anway?

Haha now come on, it is possible to hear someone from 2m away you know.

The canteen in my workplace is still operating, it's one person per table, each table 2m apart and amazingly we can still talk to each other.

punisher5112

Temperature taken outside, temperature taken every time you order a drink and go to the toilet.....