Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

WoollyRedHat

The Nal wrote: »

Not a great business model. 80% empty premises with people nursing drinks.

Most pubs won't be able to operate unless they're busy so its all or nothing for a lot of them.

They'll have to become innovative when it comes to identifying other revenue streams for short to medium term I guess, sink or swim.

Vinnie222

punisher5112 wrote: »

Temperature taken outside, temperature taken every time you order a drink and go to the toilet.....

Ffs Who's going to pay for all this ?

IAMAMORON

I can see them opening up again after the June bank holiday weekend. At some point or other the emergency legislation will run through its' time period and shoulders will be shrugged. The vintners are lobbying and while handouts are appreciated they really need to be getting custom at this point. Their profits for 2020 are hammered as it is.

The PR game for lockdown reversal is upon us already. When I am looking to estimate something I usually find the answer somewhere between Murphy's law and fecklessness. At some point or other pubs will start shebeening ( my word I said it first ) and give it a few weeks after that. A lot will depend on how much rope they let out in May. Once beds start getting freed up I think we could be looking at further release of restriction on a piecemeal basis.

For economic reasons alone I cannot see them closing until a vaccine. Not going to happen. That must make the Armageddonist's seethe with frustration, but sooner or later the government will be turning its' back on them. Life has to go on.

Ulysses Gaze

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Haha now come on, it is possible to hear someone from 2m away you know.

The canteen in my workplace is still operating, it's one person per table, each table 2m apart and amazingly we can still talk to each other.

When no booze is involved.

See how that works when people have a feed of booze in them.

castletownman

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I can see them opening up again after the June bank holiday weekend. At some point or other the emergency legislation will run through its' time period and shoulders will be shrugged. The vintners are lobbying and while handouts are appreciated they really need to be getting custom at this point. Their profits for 2020 are hammered as it is.

The PR game for lockdown reversal is upon us already. When I am looking to estimate something I usually find the answer somewhere between Murphy's law and fecklessness. At some point or other pubs will start shebeening ( my word I said it first ) and give it a few weeks after that. A lot will depend on how much rope they let out in May. Once beds start getting freed up I think we could be looking at further release of restriction on a piecemeal basis.

For economic reasons alone I cannot see them closing until a vaccine. Not going to happen. That must make the Armageddonist's seethe with frustration, but sooner or later the government will be turning its' back on them. Life has to go on.

The great thing about pubs is that they are brilliant shelter to avoid those types. Pubs aren't their scene.

never_mind

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I'm much more hopeful of Anti-Viral treatment being discovered well before a vaccine.

As am I. Vaccines would have to be more complicated to develop than finding a suitable on-market drug...

Huntergonzo

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

When no booze is involved.

See how that works when people have a feed of booze in them.

Some people get messy with drink on them, no question about that but not all people do. Again I don't believe in banning everybody just because a few don't know how to behave themselves.

You seem to be judging pubs and people by the pre-virus standards, I'm not saying we should go back to packed pubs until it's safe to do so, I don't think anybody here is.

Poor_old_gill

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I can see them opening up again after the June bank holiday weekend. At some point or other the emergency legislation will run through its' time period and shoulders will be shrugged. The vintners are lobbying and while handouts are appreciated they really need to be getting custom at this point. Their profits for 2020 are hammered as it is.

The PR game for lockdown reversal is upon us already. When I am looking to estimate something I usually find the answer somewhere between Murphy's law and fecklessness. At some point or other pubs will start shebeening ( my word I said it first ) and give it a few weeks after that. A lot will depend on how much rope they let out in May. Once beds start getting freed up I think we could be looking at further release of restriction on a piecemeal basis.

For economic reasons alone I cannot see them closing until a vaccine. Not going to happen. That must make the Armageddonist's seethe with frustration, but sooner or later the government will be turning its' back on them. Life has to go on.

While I hope you're right - I would be absolutely shocked if I'm able to sit in a pub at any time this summer

The Nal

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

While I hope you're right - I would be absolutely shocked if I'm able to sit in a pub at any time this summer

I think we'll see a few rogue pubs open around the place. People are running out of patience already and we've still 2 weeks to go of this phase of the lockdown.

When the inevitable extension/slight easing of restrictions happens at the start of May it could tip people over the edge of giving a ****. All holidays cancelled, the economy collapsing with everyone broke and stuck in the house isn't going to work unfortunately.

Time for some out of the box thinking.

Poor_old_gill

The Nal wrote: »

I think we'll see a few rogue pubs open around the place. People are running out of patience already and we've still 2 weeks to go of this phase of the lockdown.

When the inevitable extension/slight easing of restrictions happens at the start of May it could tip people over the edge of giving a ****. All holidays cancelled, the economy collapsing with everyone broke and stuck in the house isn't going to work unfortunately.

Time for some out of the box thinking.

Who is running out of patience?

JCX BXC

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Who is running out of patience?

Pretty much everyone I know.

Poor_old_gill

JCX BXC wrote: »

Pretty much everyone I know.

FFS this whole running out of patience nonsense sounds really childish.

It's sh*t not being able to go to the pub with my mates but it's something that I'll get over for a while.

Mister Vain

FloatingVoter wrote: »

People need to meet and occasionally reproduce. Office romances are off the cards due to potential misunderstandings or genuine sexual harassment charges. I expect Tinder / Hinge....other hook-up sites to be history by Christmas (good riddance). How would you propose two strangers meet ?

Good question. Spin classes maybe?

stephenjmcd

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I can see them opening up again after the June bank holiday weekend. At some point or other the emergency legislation will run through its' time period and shoulders will be shrugged. The vintners are lobbying and while handouts are appreciated they really need to be getting custom at this point. Their profits for 2020 are hammered as it is.

The PR game for lockdown reversal is upon us already. When I am looking to estimate something I usually find the answer somewhere between Murphy's law and fecklessness. At some point or other pubs will start shebeening ( my word I said it first ) and give it a few weeks after that. A lot will depend on how much rope they let out in May. Once beds start getting freed up I think we could be looking at further release of restriction on a piecemeal basis.

For economic reasons alone I cannot see them closing until a vaccine. Not going to happen. That must make the Armageddonist's seethe with frustration, but sooner or later the government will be turning its' back on them. Life has to go on.

Today was the first day the vintners association came out into national media after the comments made yesterday and it's quite clear that the stance to government is going to be bail us out or you'll lose 2 billion in the exchequer returns as the hospitality sector cant stay closed until theres a vaccine.

As soon as the trend in other European countries becomes clear there will be pressure from all walks of society to do the same here, be it hospitality, retail whatever

stephenjmcd

JCX BXC wrote: »

Pretty much everyone I know.

Likewise everyone was fine with it at the start and still is until the first week of may. Everyone accepted opening anything that was closed before May bank holiday just wasn't going to happen.

But when 5th May rolls around it'll be 7 weeks of restrictions, realistically 8 as most shops and services wont be in a position to open to another week or more once told they can open.

So I think 8 weeks of being told you cant see family and your more or less confined to being at home is probably the limit most societies can accept.

Just look at Paris, riots last night, berlin protests over the weekend. Now nothing like that would happen here it's just to show the tide is turning opinion wise

stephenjmcd

JCX BXC wrote: »

Pretty much everyone I know.

Likewise in my social group and work group everyone was fine with it at the start and still is until the first week of may. Everyone accepted opening anything that was closed before May bank holiday just wasn't going to happen.

But when 5th May rolls around it'll be 7 weeks of restrictions, realistically 8 as most shops and services wont be in a position to open to another week or more once told they can open.

So I think 8 weeks of being told you cant see family and your more or less confined to being at home is probably the limit most societies can accept. You have to start letting people get back to their lives at some point all be it gradually.

Just look at Paris, riots last night, berlin protests over the weekend. Now nothing like that would happen here it's just to show the tide is turning opinion wise

never_mind

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

FFS this whole running out of patience nonsense sounds really childish.

It's sh*t not being able to go to the pub with my mates but it's something that I'll get over for a while.

When they open you won't be forced to go if you don't feel safe.

hetuzozaho

The Nal wrote: »

Not a great business model. 80% empty premises with people nursing drinks.

Most pubs won't be able to operate unless they're busy so its all or nothing for a lot of them.

Yeah hard to imagine them actually bothering to open if they had to apply previous HSE Guidelines anyway

https://www2.hse.ie/wellbeing/alcohol/improve-your-health/weekly-low-risk-alcohol-guidelines.html

Poor_old_gill

never_mind wrote: »

When they open you won't be forced to go if you don't feel safe.

I understand how personal choice works.

I can understand people being annoyed about not being able to see their family, etc but the pub part might just be something that we have to get over for a while.

murphyebass

Really can’t see them opening any time soon.

Even if they did you’d be absolutely mad in the head to visit them.

You don’t know who has this bloody illness. One night out could be your ticket to a bed in A&E.

I honestly think until we get a vaccine for this **** life is not going back to normal again. It’s just way too contagious for public gatherings of any kind to take place.

For what it’s worth I’d ****in love a pint of the black stuff but it’ll have to wait for a vaccine.

stephenjmcd

murphyebass wrote: »

Really can’t see them opening any time soon.

Even if they did you’d be absolutely mad in the head to visit them.

You don’t know who has this bloody illness. One night out could be your ticket to a bed in A&E.

I honestly think until we get a vaccine for this **** life is not going back to normal again. It’s just way too contagious for public gatherings of any kind to take place.

For what it’s worth I’d ****in love a pint of the black stuff but it’ll have to wait for a vaccine.

You'll be waiting a while so, vaccine at least 18 months away from widespread use if it even becomes available.

Your more likely to get an effective treatment much quicker

murphyebass

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You'll be waiting a while so, vaccine at least 18 months away from widespread use if it even becomes available.

Your more likely to get an effective treatment much quicker

It’ll become available and it’ll happen quicker than 18 months.
Theres a LOT of money being pumped into this by governments and others to to make that happen.
The economic ramifications if its not found are too great to settle for a treatment.

As for the treatment, yeah it’ll definitely happen first but I would in no way see that as justification for going to a pub.

stephenjmcd

murphyebass wrote: »

It’ll become available and it’ll happen quicker than 18 months.
Theres a LOT of money being pumped into this by governments and others to to make that happen.
The economic ramifications if its not found are too great to settle for a treatment.

As for the treatment, yeah it’ll definitely happen first but I would in no way see that as justification for going to a pub.

Theres no guarantee about a vaccine at all, even in human trials it might not be effective. We just have to wait and see and I hope it isn't 18 months away. But end of the day I dont see the hospitality industry as a whole being shut down until a vaccine.

cryptocurrency

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Who is running out of patience?

Everyone who values their freedom

briany

murphyebass wrote: »

I honestly think until we get a vaccine for this **** life is not going back to normal again.

Bit of a truism at this stage. There's no set way that things are meant to be. Things happen to humanity that cause us to change the way we live in ways large or small. This will be just as true of the current pandemic.

Poor_old_gill

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Everyone who values their freedom

Rock, flag and eagle

PTH2009

The 5th May announcement is going to be heart racing

Sadly wont be a full relaxation of everything but hopefully it's a start

Underground will be hard to run if u don't knw a publican well tbh but it wont happen either way

never_mind

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I understand how personal choice works.

I can understand people being annoyed about not being able to see their family, etc but the pub part might just be something that we have to get over for a while.

I’m really glad you clarified that because it sounded as though you thought you were being forced to go to a pub.

Likewise, if the HSE is happy for pubs to open if they put in place the correct procedures (which will happen) then it’s up to you whether you want to chance going.

Not everyone has family either. A lot of people rely on pubs as their only social outlet.

Poor_old_gill

never_mind wrote: »

I’m really glad you clarified that because it sounded as though you thought you were being forced to go to a pub.

Likewise, if the HSE is happy for pubs to open if they put in place the correct procedures (which will happen) then it’s up to you whether you want to chance going.

Not everyone has family either. A lot of people rely on pubs as their only social outlet.

I do understand that and feel for people who have lost their social outlet - I live nowhere near my family with my other half (a nurse) who is working a good chunk of the time so a pub would be my only social outlet at the moment too.

My point was that this whole idea of people losing patience just sounds childish - I completely agree that its sh*t but also that it's just something that we might need to get over for a while.

Play a game of poker over zoom or something like that - myself & my mates have chanced it and although its not the same, its still something

Annabella1

Singapore who have been praised for their containment has seen cases jump from 3700 to 8000 in 5 days after easing restrictions
Long way to go unfortunately