Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

Allinall

https://www.datecountdown.com/?timer=1&d=8%2f10%2f2020+12%3a00+AM&t=Pint+Time

snoopboggybog

Allinall wrote: »

https://www.datecountdown.com/?timer=1&d=8%2f10%2f2020+12%3a00+AM&t=Pint+Time

Only mad for pints, I'll see you again.

Jizique

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

And only if all the vermin start behaving themselves.

It will be interesting to see how quickly the accident and emergency wards fill up again

Kewreeuss

I see the most potent lobby groups in the country are saying the plan for the pubs to reopen is “truly horrendous”, they are being treated as second class citizens, and have asked the govt to explain why the govt chose to discriminate against them.

Do they really need it explained, or is it just ‘any publicity is good publicity’?
People and social distancing are much more easily controlled in a restaurant and are likely to drink less alcohol.

As other posters have said, the pubs need to reorganise their layout and come up with some other plan to avoid Scrums at the bar, and close social contact.
No way will I be visiting a pub any time soon. let’s be honest, people after a few drinks are much less inhibited and will give the hug and kiss and slap on the back, or lean in to shout something in your ear because the tv is too loud.
You can’t go down the road of limiting drinks either because everyone’s threshold is different - so they say anyway.
I do feel so sorry for people who work in pubs and hotels and restaurants, a lot of whom are not Irish, Stuck in their rented rooms, who cannot return home because there are no flights, have few friends outside of their workmates and who may not have a job at all in autumn;
along with everyone else with mortgages and families. Tourism as a world industry is in shatters. Governments should provide serious assistance to this industry, yes even transport. Did you read that trump is bailing out the oil and gas industries!!

stephenjmcd

Kewreeuss wrote: »

I see the most potent lobby groups in the country are saying the plan for the pubs to reopen is “truly horrendous”, they are being treated as second class citizens, and have asked the govt to explain why the govt chose to discriminate against them.

Do they really need it explained, or is it just ‘any publicity is good publicity’?
People and social distancing are much more easily controlled in a restaurant and are likely to drink less alcohol.

As other posters have said, the pubs need to reorganise their layout and come up with some other plan to avoid Scrums at the bar, and close social contact.
No way will I be visiting a pub any time soon. let’s be honest, people after a few drinks are much less inhibited and will give the hug and kiss and slap on the back, or lean in to shout something in your ear because the tv is too loud.
You can’t go down the road of limiting drinks either because everyone’s threshold is different - so they say anyway.
I do feel so sorry for people who work in pubs and hotels and restaurants, a lot of whom are not Irish, Stuck in their rented rooms, who cannot return home because there are no flights, have few friends outside of their workmates and who may not have a job at all in autumn;
along with everyone else with mortgages and families. Tourism as a world industry is in shatters. Governments should provide serious assistance to this industry, yes even transport. Did you read that trump is bailing out the oil and gas industries!!

Look pubs will change and implement whatever measures they have to put in place.

But you can say that the associations do have a point to be honest, why should a restaurant serving pints and an extensive wine list be allowed to open back up before a pub that has a large food turnover ? They're essentially the same thing in terms of food. I've seen plenty of people go into high end restaurants and come out 3 hours later absolutely hammered.

Pubs should be allowed to reopen based on food service at the same time as restaurants, if your not having food then wait until 10th August when they properly reopen but to say to a restaurant serving food and drink you can open 6 weeks before another establishment doing the same thing is wrong.

Kewreeuss

I just think as far as social contact is concerned a pub is riskier than a restaurant.

Jizique

Jizique wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how quickly the accident and emergency wards fill up again

I mean all the pricks flouting the current restrictions. These dates depend on people not abusing guidelines.

jester77

Surely if the pubs are closed until August, won't people just go boozing in the cafes and maybe even restaurants. I can picture young people in McDs getting their 99c cheeseburgers and a few beers with it and sitting there for the evening.

gp1990

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/limerick-pub-being-redesigned-for-post-coronavirus-era-997166.html

I admire his innovation, but

"They will also have to set out roughly how long they intend to stay when they visit the premises which will enable us to manage numbers and maximise spaces."

LOL looking forward to this. "Save us a spot Gearoid boy, group of us will be down at 2pm for the 6 pints, gone at 5". 5 o'clock comes and an empty pub, "throw us out a few spirits and we'll be on the jagerbombs next sure there's no-one here anyway" - "no lads you have to go by 5pm, by keeping you here I'll be able to pay my barman's weekend wages from your own bar tab alone but ya know rules are rules"

And no-one can even call into an empty pub for a pint? The pensioner who pops in an odd evening with the paper to chat to the 5 other customers on a Tuesday night now has to 'book ahead'?

This all makes sense in a restaurant environment or certain pubs, very much a different story for many many pubs nationwide. They just are not feasible to operate with strict social distancing and strict restrictions like these

IAMAMORON

I can see the cuter restaurateurs getting taps installed for the pints.

pgj2015

gp1990 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/limerick-pub-being-redesigned-for-post-coronavirus-era-997166.html

I admire his innovation, but

"They will also have to set out roughly how long they intend to stay when they visit the premises which will enable us to manage numbers and maximise spaces."

LOL looking forward to this. "Save us a spot Gearoid boy, group of us will be down at 2pm for the 6 pints, gone at 5". 5 o'clock comes and an empty pub, "throw us out a few spirits and we'll be on the jagerbombs next sure there's no-one here anyway" - "no lads you have to go by 5pm, by keeping you here I'll be able to pay my barman's weekend wages from your own bar tab alone but ya know rules are rules"

And no-one can even call into an empty pub for a pint? The pensioner who pops in an odd evening with the paper to chat to the 5 other customers on a Tuesday night now has to 'book ahead'?

This all makes sense in a restaurant environment or certain pubs, very much a different story for many many pubs nationwide. They just are not feasible to operate with strict social distancing and strict restrictions like these

Also things could swing back the other way a lot quicker than expected after august. They might have an effective treatment and the vaccine might be available sooner than we think, or heard immunity achieved quickly.

Then he will have spent money for nothing.

stephenjmcd

I see the Restaurant association of Ireland has come out and backed publicans who also operate in the food trade in being able to open in June.

RebelRising18

I’d say garden partys will have to substitute the pub for the summer.

gp1990

pgj2015 wrote: »

Also things could swing back the other way a lot quicker than expected after august. They might have an effective treatment and the vaccine might be available sooner than we think, or heard immunity achieved quickly.

Then he will have spent money for nothing.

Yes - absolutely!

gp1990

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I see the Restaurant association of Ireland has come out and backed publicans who also operate in the food trade in being able to open in June.

The way the Limerick publican in the Examiner lays his plans out would be no different to a restaurant setting - so pubs that serve food and can feasibly operate in that way should surely be allowed open in late June or whenever phase 3 sets in

In reality though many Irish pubs won't be able to operate such a model in a million years and the government are not naive enough to think publicans will even consider kicking out their loyal customers after they stay beyond their 'alotted time', or to turn them away at the door if they haven't booked ahead, hence why pubs are down for the last phase

His comment about 'sessions' in Irish pubs being gone for the forseeable are -with respect - fantasy stuff, every pub in Ireland will have lads falling out the door every night as usual from the first night they open

That said I understand his motives, he's trying to paint a picture of a manner in which publicans can potentially operate - probably with the ulterior motive of getting his own place to catapult itself into phase 3 rather than phase 5

stephenjmcd

gp1990 wrote: »

The way the Limerick publican in the Examiner lays his plans out would be no different to a restaurant setting - so pubs that serve food and can feasibly operate in that way should surely be allowed open in late June or whenever phase 3 sets in

In reality though many Irish pubs won't be able to operate such a model in a million years and the government are not naive enough to think publicans will even consider kicking out their loyal customers after they stay beyond their 'alotted time', or to turn them away at the door if they haven't booked ahead, hence why pubs are down for the last phase

His comment about 'sessions' in Irish pubs being gone for the forseeable are -with respect - fantasy stuff, every pub in Ireland will have lads falling out the door every night as usual from the first night they open

That said I understand his motives, he's trying to paint a picture of a manner in which publicans can potentially operate - probably with the ulterior motive of getting his own place to catapult itself into phase 3 rather than phase 5

Just after reading that article and he has the plan laid out, it's good to see he's being proactive.

Yeah I found the comment about sessions a bit silly as well, at the end of the day the custom wont be turned away. I can see people being a bit stand offish for a the first month or so and those that do go to the pub will social distance etc but I'd give it a month before the social distance is out the window in most places. Basing this off an article i read earlier regarding Denmark and the shops reopening over there, they've everything marked out distance wise but appearnelty compliance is quite low and there hasn't been a sizable increase in R.

I'd assume his pub isn't the biggest, the bigger establishments will find it alot easier to lay things out differently at the start.

da_miser

Are people really that desperately pathetic that they cant do without going to the pub for a few months?
If so take a hard look at yourself, you have become a slave, no longer the maser of yourself, time to reevaluate your life, a hell of a lot more to living a good life than going to a pub to pay top dollar for a pint of bad mass produced beer.

oceanman

da_miser wrote: »

Are people really that desperately pathetic that they cant do without going to the pub for a few months?
If so take a hard look at yourself, you have become a slave, no longer the maser of yourself, time to reevaluate your life, a hell of a lot more to living a good life than going to a pub to pay top dollar for a pint of bad mass produced beer.

nobody forces anyone to go to the pub, people who like a drink go to the pub, those that don't stay at home...

snotboogie

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just after reading that article and he has the plan laid out, it's good to see he's being proactive.

Yeah I found the comment about sessions a bit silly as well, at the end of the day the custom wont be turned away. I can see people being a bit stand offish for a the first month or so and those that do go to the pub will social distance etc but I'd give it a month before the social distance is out the window in most places. Basing this off an article i read earlier regarding Denmark and the shops reopening over there, they've everything marked out distance wise but appearnelty compliance is quite low and there hasn't been a sizable increase in R.

I'd assume his pub isn't the biggest, the bigger establishments will find it alot easier to lay things out differently at the start.

Pubs that can't enforce social distancing will be forced to close. The publican is right. Sessions are gone for the foreseeable future. Pubs will be like restaurants where you can just get drink. People will not be falling out the doors at any stage in 2020 unless there is a miracle cure. Vaccines usually take 10 years to turn around. Welcome to the new normal

da_miser

oceanman wrote: »

nobody forces anyone to go to the pub, people who like a drink go to the pub, those that don't stay at home...

Its pathetic that they are slaves to going to the pub, if its a drink your after, drink at home.
Take a long hard look in the mirror , if the pub has that much of a hold on you , its time to change you life.

stephenjmcd

da_miser wrote: »

Are people really that desperately pathetic that they cant do without going to the pub for a few months?
If so take a hard look at yourself, you have become a slave, no longer the maser of yourself, time to reevaluate your life, a hell of a lot more to living a good life than going to a pub to pay top dollar for a pint of bad mass produced beer.

What on earth are you banging on about ?

It's the social aspect people miss, seeing friends, going to watch a match, having a meal out.

You'd swear everyone was an alcoholic based on your post.

Safe to say I wont be reevaluating my life, I'll return to the pub when it opens for a few pints after work on a Friday.

da_miser

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What on earth are you banging on about ?

It's the social aspect people miss, seeing friends, going to watch a match, having a meal out.

You'd swear everyone was an alcoholic based on your post.

Safe to say I wont be reevaluating my life, I'll return to the pub when it opens for a few pints after work on a Friday.

Every social aspect you are posting about can be done outside of a pub.
You then go on that is not alcohol based, and in next sentence you want to go to pub for a few beers.
Life reevaluation time, break free from the slave to the pub mindset, plenty of other options in the world.

stephenjmcd

snotboogie wrote: »

Pubs that can't enforce social distancing will be forced to close. The publican is right. Sessions are gone for the foreseeable future. Pubs will be like restaurants where you can just get drink. People will not be falling out the doors at any stage in 2020 unless there is a miracle cure. Vaccines usually take 10 years to turn around. Welcome to the new normal

Lets see how that plays out. Presume we're going to shut down public transport, cant social distance on that ??

If you know any publican ask them about it, I know 2 and both of the same opinion give it a month. It's been about 2 weeks in Denmark and social distancing is already out the window.

I guarantee you people will be falling out the door in 2020. To say otherwise is quite frankly extremely naive, you quite clearly have no knowledge of the pub sector. You wont see anyone refused a few weeks after they open.

oceanman

da_miser wrote: »

Its pathetic that they are slaves to going to the pub, if its a drink your after, drink at home.
Take a long hard look in the mirror , if the pub has that much of a hold on you , its time to change you life.

I do drink at home, I also like to go the pub to meet friends and socialise, don't see anything wrong with that.

Poorside

da_miser wrote: »

Its pathetic that they are slaves to going to the pub, if its a drink your after, drink at home.
Take a long hard look in the mirror , if the pub has that much of a hold on you , its time to change you life.

I love the pub for the social aspect, and the fact I can get locally produced beer on tap, the pub is much more than just going there to get black out drunk, a few beers and a bit of a laugh are great for keeping some people sane.
Thanks for worrying about us though, will you tell us what to eat and wear next?

ChelseaRentBoy

chrissb8 wrote: »

Mid April. But they will certainly try to be back on the most holiest of weekends!

stephenjmcd

da_miser wrote: »

Every social aspect you are posting about can be done outside of a pub.
You then go on that is not alcohol based, and in next sentence you want to go to pub for a few beers.
Life reevaluation time, break free from the slave to the pub mindset, plenty of other options in the world.

Thanks for giving me a good laugh this morning. Your issue is quite clearly with alcohol.

Enjoy your reevaluated life, I'll enjoy mine as it is thanks with my few drinks on a Friday after work.

snotboogie

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Lets see how that plays out. Presume we're going to shut down public transport, cant social distance on that ??

If you know any publican ask them about it, I know 2 and both of the same opinion give it a month. It's been about 2 weeks in Denmark and social distancing is already out the window.

I guarantee you people will be falling out the door in 2020. To say otherwise is quite frankly extremely naive, you quite clearly have no knowledge of the pub sector. You wont see anyone refused a few weeks after they open.

I don't see it, what you are describing will require either a drastic shift in policy or a miracle cure. I think you are reading far too much into one article from one country. Everything I am hearing suggests that we are moving towards a new normal and not a return to business as usual. Look at the plan released by the government, there are no plans to phase out social distancing and I think the belief that this will be tacitly ignored is naive. Watch for the next few months as the government will gradually break this to the public.

stephenjmcd

snotboogie wrote: »

I don't see it, what you are describing will require either a drastic shift in policy or a miracle cure. I think you are reading far too much into one article from one country. Everything I am hearing suggests that we are moving towards a new normal and not a return to business as usual. Look at the plan released by the government, there are no plans to phase out social distancing and I think the belief that this will be tacitly ignored is naive. Watch for the next few months as the government will gradually break this to the public.

It's not going to be Gov policy to phase out social distancing, I'd be surprised if you didn't see people make their own minds up over time.

Again it's a larger conversation to be had around social distancing but theres going to be places where it's simply not possible.

Eventually crowds etc will return to sporting stadiums, festivals etc be it this year or next year where social distancing isn't going to be possible so it'll be interesting to see where it goes.

da_miser

Reading about posters in a state of panic about getting back to the pub has been a absolute tonic for me, i now realise that i'm in a far better place than these sad pathetic slaves, desperate to get back to their old bad habits, for their sake i hope the pubs are shut until Christmas, it will give them more time to contemplate their pub addiction.
You dont have to goto the pub to socialise, it should be just one string in your social bow, get out there and see what else the world has to offer