Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

PTH2009

PommieBast wrote: »

If they somehow opened on a regulars-only basis it might be ok, but no idea how such a system could be policed.

Yeah that could be messy

You could be walking the streets for ages trying to find a pub that is not full and then if the bar person doesn't like the look of you it's back to 'not tonight bud"

Sultan of Bling

stephenjmcd wrote:

I'm the same, usually whenever the amp comes out on a Friday or Saturday night we move as far away as possible cause we're chatting away.

I think there's a reason why so many pubs do this. When the blaring music starts people tend to talk less because they can't hear a thing and subsequently drink quicker.

PTH2009

Ah come on who doesn't love a cover of 'valerie' followed by 'Sex on fire' followed by 'Galway Girl' and then 'Trouble (with a capital T)'

oceanman

PTH2009 wrote: »

Ah come on who doesn't love a cover of 'valerie' followed by 'Sex on fire' followed by 'Galway Girl' and then 'Trouble (with a capital T)'

you are on the raz now I bet...lol

PTH2009

oceanman wrote: »

you are on the raz now I bet...lol

I wish

Cans on a Saturday during the lockdown. I'll save the midweek drinking til the pubs open back up

MadYaker

I know a few people who've been working in the industry in Galway for a few years and they say a lot of places are closing until next year. Impossible for a lot of places to rurn a profit unless they are basically packed.

Ray Donovan

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rubadub

PommieBast wrote: »

If they somehow opened on a regulars-only basis it might be ok, but no idea how such a system could be policed.

You might be booking tables in advance, just like a restaurant does, you know, the type of establishment many publicans are comparing themselves to.

My local used to be jammed on christmas eve years ago. There would be a queue outside and a lad on the door, he would call us ahead and just blatantly say we were regulars, sometimes he would spoof and say we were already in but nobody complained that I can recall.

If the pubs really do stick to the extremely strict rules they are suggesting they would have very few inside.

I had said before toilets will be a huge issue, and it was just quickly glossed over in those suggested "rules".

Procedures implemented to ensure safe use of toilet facilities, which may include limits on the numbers using toilets at any one time. No live music or DJs.

This is just vague but they have already set down rules.

The numbers on the premises would be confined to no more than four per every 10 square metres.

if that has to be stuck to it will be extremely difficult. I doubt they can so they really have to change the rules. Supermarkets would be nowhere near those rules.

The 10 square metres is falling out of the 2m distancing. Queues for toilets would need those markers on the ground to comply and I had said before it would be out the door, just like queues at supermarkets. Many already break the rules at supermarkets, I have seen people in front of me together who obviously do not live together as they were loudly discussing stuff going on as though they had not seen each other in ages.

Toilets in many pubs have narrow walkways to go down, so if you have to adhere to the 10sqm rule you need further distancing, as traffic is going both ways. If you think of it as a mathematical problem you will realise how hard it is. If people are to say "ah jaysus, sure he's only passing by for a split second, we didn't mean to be that strict" then fine! put it in the rules, stop putting out bullsh!t rules which are absolutely not going to be adhered to.

No doubt the pathetic "partyboys" will say I'm a buzzkiller (I guess partyboy is the opposite of this term). I do get a giggle out of it, I enjoy reading the freaks supporting Gemma O'Doherty, and this thought that there is a big bad pack of nasty "buzzkillers" solely out to ruin peoples fun is quite amusing.

I am not saying I am in favour of the rules they propose, but FFS give realistic ones if you are suggesting any rules. I have designed office and restaurant layouts on CAD software before where I was given instructions on personal space etc, and I realise these rules are ludicrous.


What are these conspiracy nuts going to do once they get back into pubs.

IN YOUR FACE BUZZKILLERS!

PommieBast

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah that could be messy

You could be walking the streets for ages trying to find a pub that is not full and then if the bar person doesn't like the look of you it's back to 'not tonight bud"

Thinking more the other way round - commercial pressure to let people in who are not actual regulars. The whole point of regulars-only is to reduce casual links between social circles.

PTH2009

PommieBast wrote: »

Thinking more the other way round - commercial pressure to let people in who are not actual regulars. The whole point of regulars-only is to reduce casual links between social circles.

Regular only could be something for rural pubs but what about city pubs ?

Trying to enforce these rules in some places would be like something from a gangster film
'So who are you and who do u knw here??'

kwestfan08

Pubs are unworkable until we get a vaccine. Their sole purpose is to pack people in and have them interact and socialise together.

The whole notion of booking a table ahead, keeping distance from people, smaller crowds, like would ya be arsed. You might as well invite people around to the house at that stage. Like what happens when a pre booked table of lads and a pre booked table of girls after a few drinks start chatting to each other? Are they not going to mix? And if so what is the barman going to tell them "cut that out now" like some teacher at a ballroom of romance in the 50s?

I am absolutely gagging for a night on the piss tbh but if pubs wont even resemble a quarter of what they used to for now, they wont be much craic at all.

Mister Vain

The vaccine probably won't even work if there's multiple strains of the virus.

jackal

Things that wont turn a profit with social distancing:

Pubs,
Restaurants,
Cafes,
Any form of mass transit,
Entertainment Events,
Sports Events,
Hotels,
Resorts - i.e. center parcs,
Sports facilities - i.e. Swimming pools.

Basically social distancing is not the solution, it cant work, businesses cannot make enough money as almost all of the above are based on packing loads of people in and out of small spaces.

Reality will set in when the government says to the above businesses: "right lads you can open again, we are withdrawing the wage supports, but you can only operate under these conditions - i.e. approx 50% capacity" which mean they have no hope of turning a profit.

The Nal

jackal wrote: »

Things that wont turn a profit with social distancing:

Pubs,
Restaurants,
Cafes,
Any form of mass transit,
Entertainment Events,
Sports Events,
Hotels,
Resorts - i.e. center parcs,
Sports facilities - i.e. Swimming pools.

Basically social distancing is not the solution, it cant work, businesses cannot make enough money as almost all of the above are based on packing loads of people in and out of small spaces.

Reality will set in when the government says to the above businesses: "right lads you can open again, we are withdrawing the wage supports, but you can only operate under these conditions - i.e. approx 50% capacity" which mean they have no hope of turning a profit.

Indeed. Give it another few weeks and we're going to see mass unemployment, people struggling to pay bills, losing credit ratings etc etc. They'll have no choice but to chance it and open.

This won't go on for another 3 or 4 months let alone another year.

snotboogie

jackal wrote: »

Things that wont turn a profit with social distancing:

Pubs,
Restaurants,
Cafes,
Any form of mass transit,
Entertainment Events,
Sports Events,
Hotels,
Resorts - i.e. center parcs,
Sports facilities - i.e. Swimming pools.

Basically social distancing is not the solution, it cant work, businesses cannot make enough money as almost all of the above are based on packing loads of people in and out of small spaces.

Reality will set in when the government says to the above businesses: "right lads you can open again, we are withdrawing the wage supports, but you can only operate under these conditions - i.e. approx 50% capacity" which mean they have no hope of turning a profit.

I've been saying this for weeks. There is no plan to properly lift restrictions. The two actually important stages of a "lockdown" are when there is a restriction on leaving your home (full lockdown) and when social distancing is in place (partial lockdown). We have never been in a full lockdown and we have no schedule to exit a partial lockdown. The actual changes when restriction are lifted will be minimal.

castletownman

I don't get this suggestion that pubs are the sole cause of a spike of A & E visits over a weekend. I think whoever says that should maybe move town- I say its a rare occurrence in most towns that ambulances are called at the end of the night.

And as for the gardaí patrolling pubs, we hear every normal bank holiday that there will be increased checkpoints to curb drink driving, yet I have never seen the evidence. Gardaí might check in on pubs at the beginning, but there's no way it will be sustained, or will they be too heavy-handed. They will hardly waste their time checking ones out the country either, especially when they wouldn't be the best at tackling rural crime as it is.

snotboogie

castletownman wrote: »

I don't get this suggestion that pubs are the sole cause of a spike of A & E visits over a weekend. I think whoever says that should maybe move town- I say its a rare occurrence in most towns that ambulances are called at the end of the night.

And as for the gardaí patrolling pubs, we hear every normal bank holiday that there will be increased checkpoints to curb drink driving, yet I have never seen the evidence. Gardaí might check in on pubs at the beginning, but there's no way it will be sustained, or will they be too heavy-handed. They will hardly waste their time checking ones out the country either, especially when they wouldn't be the best at tackling rural crime as it is.

Pubs who can't comply will be closed. This idea that social distancing will be tacitly ignored for the benefit of publicans has no evidence.

jackal

snotboogie wrote: »

Pubs who can't comply will be closed. This idea that social distancing will be tacitly ignored for the benefit of publicans has no evidence.

Look I get that publicans have a bad rep, they have an overly powerful lobby group and wield undue influence on our politicians. But what about all the others I posted.. Same answer?

For example, Aer lingus came out today and said they cannot do social distancing, end of story. Ryanair have said the same already. Should they be closed?

snotboogie

jackal wrote: »

Look I get that publicans have a bad rep, they have an overly powerful lobby group and wield undue influence on our politicians. But what about all the others I posted.. Same answer?

For example, Aer lingus came out today and said they cannot do social distancing, end of story. Ryanair have said the same already. Should they be closed?

I am not saying they should, I am saying based off the current rules they will remain closed indefinitely. I see no reason to believe social distancing will be ignored.

jackal

snotboogie wrote: »

I am not saying they should, I am saying based off the current rules they will remain closed indefinitely. I see no reason to believe social distancing will be ignored.

Ah apologies, I get what you are saying. I agree, there really is no clear guidelines on how this is going to operate in practice.

gp1990

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Pubs are unworkable until we get a vaccine. Their sole purpose is to pack people in and have them interact and socialise together.

The whole notion of booking a table ahead, keeping distance from people, smaller crowds, like would ya be arsed. You might as well invite people around to the house at that stage. Like what happens when a pre booked table of lads and a pre booked table of girls after a few drinks start chatting to each other? Are they not going to mix? And if so what is the barman going to tell them "cut that out now" like some teacher at a ballroom of romance in the 50s?

I am absolutely gagging for a night on the piss tbh but if pubs wont even resemble a quarter of what they used to for now, they wont be much craic at all.

Yeah feck that for a laugh

Not a hope I'll be visiting a pub while social distancing is still a thing, and this is from someone who absolutely loves my saturday day session, but as you say would you be arsed

Asking permission to go to toilet, having to leave at a pre-specified time, booking ahead LOL not an absolute notion

0gac3yjefb5sv7

I've absolutely no issue with those measures. In fact I think some of them will enhance the experience! Table service, no live ****e music.

stephenjmcd

MattS1 wrote: »

I've absolutely no issue with those measures. In fact I think some of them will enhance the experience! Table service, no live ****e music.

Likewise I dont see the issue, have always used the table service in the lounge of my local, would rarely if ever sit at the bar and move to the furthest table away from the music on a Saturday night when it starts up. They can still put on whatever background music they want.

Very little difference personally.

gp1990

Never attend pubs with live music anyway

I go to the pub to socialise. A lot of the experience for me is chatting sh1te and bumping into acquaintances while there, chatting to strangers etc.

Frankly if I'm going to be consigned to sitting in my own small group and no interaction with anyone else I'll just drink at home, where the drink is way cheaper, I can move about as I please, visit the toilet, go for a smoke, pop out for a phonecall etc without any hassle

What actual advantage will this new model bring over staying at home and inviting a few friends over, bar maybe the taste of fresh draught pints? and at about 5 quid a pop (more in cities) is that really worth it?

I think with the social element basically eliminated, no 'pulling' culture and the atmosphere severely diminished, the vast majority of pubs just won't be sustainable while strict social distancing is in play

The Nal

A tiny amount of pubs will be able to afford to open. The vast majority won't. How do you do social distancing in the Long Hall for example? You'd fit 10 people in there.

Thousands of pubs like it.



Much like flights, we have two choices - break the rules or its not happening.

Mister Vain

The drifting is actually going ahead in Mondello Park at the end of June and those events do be jammers.

MadYaker

The vintners association may have sway with TDs but Tony Holohan and NPHET don’t give a fcuk what they want. I can’t see the government changing the reopening strategy to suit pubs. Many will go bust and at the moment I think the government see this as unavoidable collateral damage. It’s the same with hairdressers and barbers and any other business that can’t operate with social distancing.

stephenjmcd

MadYaker wrote: »

The vintners association may have sway with TDs but Tony Holohan and NPHET don’t give a fcuk what they want. I can’t see the government changing the reopening strategy to suit pubs. Many will go bust and at the moment I think the government see this as unavoidable collateral damage. It’s the same with hairdressers and barbers and any other business that can’t operate with social distancing.

Tony and NPHET dont have the final decision on it for what it's worth, it is a government call. Regardless, the measures the VFI and LVA are suggesting are the same measures they'd have to bring in during phase 5 anyway, you can surely see where they're coming from that to push 1 sector into phase 5 when a very similar sector in restaurants are 6 weeks earlier.

I don't think the government see it as collateral damage at all. It's a massive industry revenue wise to the government, hospitality in general so the suggestion that they'd write off billions from one sector as collateral damage is quite frankly naive. It's quite possible you'll see a vastly reduced VAT rate for the industry. It won't be 0 but may well reduce to lower rates again.

It seems to be perfectly acceptable for other countries to operate barbers etc with social distancing, they were one of the first places open in Denmark and they open in Germany next week if I remember correctly. So what's different between a Danish barber or hairdresser and an Irish one ? That's beyond the point of this thread anyway but the point still stands.

kwestfan08

MattS1 wrote: »

I've absolutely no issue with those measures. In fact I think some of them will enhance the experience! Table service, no live ****e music.

But with the restrictions it strips the whole fun out of the pub experience. The spontaneity. You talk to and hang out with the same five people you walked in with and that's it? I just don't see the appeal especially as I presume group sizes will be limited too. Like no group of say 20, so you cant even have a piss up with a big crew you have to select who goes where what night.

gp1990

kwestfan08 wrote: »

But with the restrictions it strips the whole fun out of the pub experience. The spontaneity. You talk to and hang out with the same five people you walked in with and that's it? I just don't see the appeal especially as I presume group sizes will be limited too. Like no group of say 20, so you cant even have a piss up with a big crew you have to select who goes where what night.

Yep with no big groups, Christmas Parties, hen/stag parties, sporting events, sport teams pub crawls, networking events, weddings afters, work dos etc etc the pub/club/hotel scene will more or less die out unless:

- Some extremely effective treatments become available later in the year
- Testing becomes so instant and ubiquitous so as to pretty much identify cases asap
- Herd immunity is achieved
- Community transmission remains at close to zero for a prolonged time

Essentially anything that rules out social distancing

Even if the government give pubs humongous financial assistance, I'd doubt most would bother carrying on with such a model anyway, while social distancing is still in play. Plenty of pub owners love the socialising part of their jobs themselves and imagine the effort of triple jobbing between a barman, and also essentially being a policeman and a full-time cleaner

I'm guessing we'll see teenagers and younger adults moving to a house party culture in the summer, with large groups congregating, social distancing and contract tracing absolutely out the window. As if they're going to go 18 months or so without going on the pull or meeting new friends in college etc.