Doctors - to get €30 a phonecall from Govt.

podgeandrodge

When Ireland puts a call out for any health workers to do what they can, and Leo tells us how proud we should be.

Doctors negotiate €30 from the Exchequer PER PHONECALL to make a diagnosis.


This will cost the country a fortune.

Not justifiable IMO.

Salary Negotiator

They should do it for free?

podgeandrodge

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

They should do it for free?

I said €30 wasn't justifiable.

Seth Brundle

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I said €30 wasn't justifiable.

How much is justifiable?

enricoh

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I said €30 wasn't justifiable.

How much will you do it for?!

ismat

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I said €30 wasn't justifiable.

Should they work for free ?

Balmed Out

No one is going to the doctors at the moment, they have an important role in the crisis and are going broke.

Salary Negotiator

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I said €30 wasn't justifiable.

What’s a fair price? How long does each call last?

What other work could these GPs be doing instead of answering these calls and how much would that pay?

How many staff are employed by GPs?

Can't see any issue with the docs getting 30euro a phone call?
What the hell is wrong with that? They don't want potential carriers in the surgery spreading the disease further.
Phone calls & paper work after takes time. Surely that time is worth 30 Euro?

godtabh

experience. Hold you diagnosis for less than €30?

Get Real

podgeandrodge wrote: »

When Ireland puts a call out for any health workers to do what they can, and Leo tells us how proud we should be.

Doctors negotiate €30 from the Exchequer PER PHONECALL to make a diagnosis.


This will cost the country a fortune.

Not justifiable IMO.

They'll be all down lots of appointments though and better to keep them afloat than close up shop.

Also, 30quid a phone call for a service that is crucial to all citizens. Compare that to the legal aid per court appearance solicitors get for repeat criminals. Pales in comparison.

I know it's whataboutery, but it's not the time imo to debate. I understand your point in fairness but disagree all the same.

Agent Coulson

How will it be recored.

Can a doctor say he got 500 calls when in fact he only got 50?


Gouging will go on during this crisis I'm not saying doctors will do it but where will the checks and balances come from?

Balf

Balmed Out wrote: »

No one is going to the doctors at the moment, they have an important role in the crisis and are going broke.

Two thirds of their income comes from the Government, before this. They get a capitation fee in respect of every medical card holder, regardless of whether that card holder looks for as service.

So, even if they've an empty surgery, they still get the bulk of their income.

So, with the greatest respect, you are talking complete nonsense.

Seth Brundle

Agent Coulson wrote: »

How will it be recored.

Can a doctor say he got 500 calls when in fact he only got 50?


Gouging will go on during this crisis I'm not saying doctors will do it but where will the checks and balances come from?

Aah would you stop!
Everything will be documented and many of the call details will be forwarded onto the HSE anyhow.
Thus thread should really be in the Conspiracy Theories forum :rolleyes:

ceegee

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I said €30 wasn't justifiable.

Let's say a test costs 100 euro (no idea if thats accurate)

If a GP takes 10 calls and is able to rule out 4 of those from needing a test then the government has saved money. (Adjust numbers according to actual cost)

If every 500 phonecalls stops someone needing a hospital bed the government is also up money

ixoy

The GPs are also going to be under severe pressure. Remember this isn't just a standard phone call - the GP is performing a triage. They're assessing whether the caller needs a test and, if so, the priority on that test. That's going to be a very stressful job because their decisions can have serious ramifications. A €30 payment for that isn't that much, especially coupled with the loss of income elsewhere.

Balf

ixoy wrote: »

A €30 payment for that isn't that much, especially coupled with the loss of income elsewhere.

They will absolutely ride you, and not think they are doing any wrong.

Gen.Zhukov

The way I heard it was - €30 for a caller that is found to have C-19

10 calls, doc triage sends 2 for testing, 1 tests positive = €30

Not bad value.

Salary Negotiator

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

The way I heard it was - €30 for a caller that is found to have C-19

10 calls, doc triage sends 2 for testing, 1 tests positive = €30

Not bad value.

That can’t be right, the incentive would be to send all patients for testing in the hope that some will test positive.

Gen.Zhukov

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

That can’t be right, the incentive would be to send all patients for testing in the hope that some will test positive.

Any doc that sent all callers to be tested should expect a WTF phone call from the HSE.

Bubbaclaus

€30 sounds very cheap to me. Clearly GPs have provided a large discount from the sounds of it.

This is it

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

The way I heard it was - €30 for a caller that is found to have C-19

10 calls, doc triage sends 2 for testing, 1 tests positive = €30

Not bad value.

Can't see that being the case. They could deal with 50 calls and not get a single payment.

€30 per call looking for an over the phone consultation regarding CV would be my thinking.

Balf

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

Any doc that sent all callers to be tested should expect a WTF phone call from the HSE.

And get a pompous response along the lines "are you telling me I don't know my job?"

Seriously, the doctors will ride you for every cent and not even consider that they should do different.

riffmongous

I'm surprised tbh, at a time when so many people are going to go unemployed 30 euro a phone call sounds steep.. I wouldn't mind seeing a costing for this, how many calls per day will a GP take?

Bubbaclaus

riffmongous wrote: »

I'm surprised tbh, at a time when so many people are going to go unemployed 30 euro a phone call sounds steep.. I wouldn't mind seeing a costing for this, how many calls per day will a GP take?

A "costing" of this would show GP practises making a loss at 30 euro per consultation.

Cilldara_2000

I don't think THIS THREAD panned out the way the OP hoped.

riffmongous

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

A "costing" of this would show GP practises making a loss at 30 euro per consultation.

And per day what will be talking? They'll also be making much more consultations

Balf

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

I don't think THIS THREAD panned out the way the OP hoped.

Have to say, it was impressive in illustrating how willing people are to part xwith their money.

Possibly because they don't appreciate it is their money.

Charles Babbage

ixoy wrote: »

The GPs are also going to be under severe pressure. Remember this isn't just a standard phone call - the GP is performing a triage. They're assessing whether the caller needs a test and, if so, the priority on that test. That's going to be a very stressful job because their decisions can have serious ramifications. A €30 payment for that isn't that much, especially coupled with the loss of income elsewhere.

Also in most surgeries there is a receptionist who takes the call initially, and they too have to be paid.

colm_mcm

How difficult is it to perform an over the phone consultation for a specific disease I wonder?

I’m not a real doctor, but 5 minutes tops?

thomasdylan

Does the result go back to the GP? Presume this covers the call to patient with result and plan.