Hand Sanitiser

Sleeper12

from_atozinc wrote:

Sound ok? Or missing anything silly etc

Did you touch your face with the gloves while shopping?

from_atozinc

wonski wrote: »

You could just spray your hands, what the gloves changed?

Have been doing this.
But spraying this disinfectant directly on to skin does not seem good - for my skin anyway. (Hands unreal dry since doing it a few times and getting little cuts/nicks etc)

thebaz

from_atozinc wrote: »

When I go the supermarket, this is what I do.

Before entering supermarket, put on a fresh pair of disposable gloves.
In supermarket, spray down my gloves with disinfectant spray or hand sanatizer and rub in well. (As if washing hands)
Do my shopping and pay etc.
Just outside shop, dispose of gloves in bin etc.

Sound ok?
Or missing anything silly etc

The virus main transmission route is airborne , accorodng to the best expert I have heard - professor Michael Osterholm , he recons the chances of picking up virus from surface is minute, and so wearing gloves is not much of a deterennt.
Good eneogh for me - its all about social distancing , and avoiding inhaling other peoples air/droplets (particulry indoors)

freak scence

from_atozinc wrote: »

When I go the supermarket, this is what I do.

Before entering supermarket, put on a fresh pair of disposable gloves.
In supermarket, spray down my gloves with disinfectant spray or hand sanatizer and rub in well. (As if washing hands)
Do my shopping and pay etc.
Just outside shop, dispose of gloves in bin etc.

Sound ok?
Or missing anything silly etc

all the craps that's on shopping you bought from people touching the packaging

from_atozinc

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Did you touch your face with the gloves while shopping?

Im trying my hardest not to

Easier said than done

freak scence

thebaz wrote: »

The virus main transmission route is airborne , accorodng to the best expert I have heard - professor Michael Osterholm , he recons the chances of picking up virus from surface is minute, and so wearing gloves is not much of a deterennt.
Good eneogh for me - its all about social distancing , and avoiding inhaling other peoples air/droplets (particulry indoors)

is that just his opinion as it goes against alot others

wonski

from_atozinc wrote: »

Have been slit this.
But spraying this disinfectant directly on to skin does not seem good - for my skin anyway. (Hands unreal dry since doing it a few times and getting little cuts/nicks etc)

Waste of gloves.

I see no point. Skin can be cured easier.

Looks like, and it's not towards you, some can't handle regular wash.

Coming from food industry unfortunately I know the truth. Think of it next time you get your food made for you

from_atozinc

freak scence wrote: »

all the craps that's on shopping you bought from people touching the packaging

I know loads of people have handled and pawed at stuff I am buying and then it’s handled by a cashier and all this. So a never ending battle really. But just trying to do my best to try and cut down.

wonski

from_atozinc wrote: »

I know loads of people have handled and pawed at stuff I am buying and then it’s handled by a cashier and all this. So a never ending battle really. But just trying to do my best to try and cut down.

Just wash your hands.

The gloves will do nothing in your scenario.

And if all other people in the chain wash their hands you wouldn't even think of it.

Wanderer19

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Yes it is but when replacing showers the carbon from the old shower has me black. I couldn't wash my hands in the basin. It would look like a coal miner was there. I'd have to bring my own cleaning cloths and Jiff to scrub after me.

Could you not use gloves while working to save your hands from getting so dirty?

thebaz

freak scence wrote: »

is that just his opinion as it goes against alot others

well he has a lot more expeince than most people I have heard, what he says makes sense - you could be very unlucky and touch something that was infected then put your finger in your mouth or eye , but it is a rare form of transmission , similar to flu transmission . transmission is much more contageuos through air droplets , hence the much more urgent need for social distancing practices.

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from_atozinc wrote: »

I know loads of people have handled and pawed at stuff I am buying and then it’s handled by a cashier and all this. So a never ending battle really. But just trying to do my best to try and cut down.

Spray it down and wipe, before you bring it into the house, that's what I'm doing

freak scence

from_atozinc wrote: »

I know loads of people have handled and pawed at stuff I am buying and then it’s handled by a cashier and all this. So a never ending battle really. But just trying to do my best to try and cut down.

gloves and then cleaning packing , yoke in journal about guy in china thats waht they did

from_atozinc

Eric Purring Motorbike wrote: »

Spray it down and wipe, before you bring it into the house, that's what I'm doing

But if doing a big shop, I could have 50 plus items. Be half the day spraying them down.

freak scence

from_atozinc wrote: »

But if doing a big shop, I could have 50 plus items. Be half the day spraying them down.

whack it all in washing machine on a slow spin

ILoveYourVibes

from_atozinc wrote: »

But if doing a big shop, I could have 50 plus items. Be half the day spraying them down.

Bring them to the garden ..get the family to help you ..we are doing it. We have to.

metricspaces

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Actually the WHO said masks are useful for patients with the virus and for medical professionals treating an infected person. They don't recommend people wear masks outside of this as they have no proven benefit

If masks work for medical professionals and they'll work for us mere mortals.

Masks work and there is benefit if you have a P2 or P3 mask and most importantly use it correctly. They just don't want everyone panicking because there are no masks available to buy. Unless you were quick enough to buy the correct masks when this all kicked off in China. Before the Chinese in Ireland were buying up and posting back to China.

There is a thread on here from a doctor see https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062219 . He secured his own supply of masks and gloves for him and family members. I think I'll trust him over believing what media, government or WHO may say.

Another way of looking at it. If main route of transmission was through self infection by touching infected surfaces then why are they strongly pushing social distancing?

Sleeper12

Wanderer19 wrote:

Could you not use gloves while working to save your hands from getting so dirty?

I do. Put on fresh gloves but they us get torn to shreds as I work. The electric cable is the bi culprit. Holding a screw while screwing in in takes the fingers off. I'd rarely come out with the gloves intact

RiseAbove4

Perhaps we can rename this “hand sanitizer/face masks and hygiene” thread and keep it all here?

Two questions;

- Where can I order face masks for delivery within a week? It’s for stopping me from scratching my face more than anything. Are they washable?

- And same question, in terms of delivery within a week, for soap and hand wash for sensitive skin. Using my usual soap over and over is making me itchy and then I’m scratching my face

Thanks

Hoboo

from_atozinc wrote: »

But if doing a big shop, I could have 50 plus items. Be half the day spraying them down.

Penny hasn't quite dropped yet.

metricspaces

The way i look at gloves is by using them there's less potential virus to wash off your hands.

I think the concern some have is they fear people will think if you wear gloves then you don't need to wash your hands.

If you are out and about then you could put gloves on when leaving car. Take them off when you return...before touching car. Then use some alcohol hand sanitizer and only then get into your car. That's where I see the benefit of having disposable gloves.

metricspaces

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

- Where can I order face masks for delivery within a week? It’s for stopping me from scratching my face more than anything. Are they washable?

I don't know anywhere you can order from. But make sure it's a P2 or preferably P3 mask by well known brand like 3M. Otherwise you're wasting your money. Also look at videos of how to use the mask, if you don't use it correctly it's of no use.

Sleeper12

metricspaces wrote: »

The way i look at gloves is by using them there's less potential virus to wash off your hands.

I think the concern some have is they fear people will think if you wear gloves then you don't need to wash your hands.

If you are out and about then you could put gloves on when leaving car. Take them off when you return...before touching car. Then use some alcohol hand sanitizer and only then get into your car. That's where I see the benefit of having disposable gloves.

The problem is people don't know how to use gloves or face masks


Gloves should be changed regularly.If you are wearing them for most of an 8 hour day then you should be going through 15 to 20 pair per day.Look at doctors & nurses in the hospital ward. Dozens & dozens of pair per day.They need to be taken off in such a way that you never touch the outside of them & then they need to be disposed of correctly. Dublin city streets are covered with these gloves at the moment

voluntary

metricspaces wrote: »

If masks work for medical professionals and they'll work for us mere mortals.

Masks work and there is benefit if you have a P2 or P3 mask and most importantly use it correctly. They just don't want everyone panicking because there are no masks available to buy. Unless you were quick enough to buy the correct masks when this all kicked off in China. Before the Chinese in Ireland were buying up and posting back to China.

There is a thread on here from a doctor see https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062219 . He secured his own supply of masks and gloves for him and family members. I think I'll trust him over believing what media, government or WHO may say.

Another way of looking at it. If main route of transmission was through self infection by touching infected surfaces then why are they strongly pushing social distancing?

They won't tell you to wear mask because there's no masks available. No masks for businesses nor healthcare workers (globally). If they tell you to use masks they'd also need to tell you that you should only use one for maximum of 1 hour as they get wet from you breathing through them and this attracts germs and viruses so they can cause more harm than good. WHO knows that people wouldn't stick to these rules and with not enough supply of masks such advice would be counterproductive.

TheChizler

There's a guy at work who's been wearing the same pair of non disposable gloves for over a week now, that's the kind of thing I'm worried about when criticising their use. Thankfully there's very few of us in and any potential cross contamination is easy to avoid.

That and the number of people I've seen rubbing their faces, picking their noses, or even smoking while wearing latex gloves. It's hard to not extrapolate that kind of behavior onto everyone I see wearing them even though I know lots of people must be using them properly. They make people stand out too, there's probably way more people going around without gloves never washing their hands but you don't notice them.

metricspaces

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The problem is people don't know how to use gloves or face masks

Yes and this is one of the reason they say face mask are not needed. Because people mostly buy masks that provide no protection. Even if they manage to buy a mask that provides protection they don't use it properly so it's of no use.

Same with gloves. You need to take off correctly so as not to touch the outside of the gloves.

That thread i linked to from the doctor has links on how to use both masks and gloves correctly.

voluntary

metricspaces wrote: »

I don't know anywhere you can order from. But make sure it's a P2 or preferably P3 mask by well known brand like 3M. Otherwise you're wasting your money. Also look at videos of how to use the mask, if you don't use it correctly it's of no use.

Unless you keep close contact with infected for prolonged time then any mask will do. For majority of us it's about protecting from a random person in the public/shop/park sneezing/coughing around you, so to stop the large fluid particles from entering your mouth or nose.

To protect from viruses in the air (like when standing next to an infected person for a prolonged period of time) you'd need a sealed mask but keeping social distancing rules I think any mask will do.

Esel

Even a simple dust mask will make it impossible to touch your nose or mouth...

tom_tarbucket

Hoboo wrote: »

Penny hasn't quite dropped yet.

I get it that people are taking the p1ss about doing this. Hilarious, ha ha, sides are killing me etc

But I’m trying to keep my family safe here.

metricspaces

voluntary wrote: »

They won't tell you to wear mask because there's no masks available. No masks for businesses nor healthcare workers (globally). If they tell you to use masks they'd also need to tell you that you should only use one for maximum of 1 hour as they get wet from you breathing through them and this attracts germs and viruses so they can cause more harm than good. WHO knows that people wouldn't stick to these rules and with not enough supply of masks such advice would be counterproductive.

Exactly. Where did you read this maximum of 1 hour? A video I watched for medical professional said you could use same mask all day.

Some banks have been putting money into 150 degree heat for a few seconds to kill viruses. Might be an option for masks?

metricspaces

voluntary wrote: »

Unless you keep close contact with infected for prolonged time then any mask will do..

Unless you are using a P2 or P3 mask and use it correctly then you are getting no protection from this virus. Take a look at that thread I linked to a few posts back, it's from an Irish consultant doctor.

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freak scence wrote: »

all the craps that's on shopping you bought from people touching the packaging

Pick from the back.

is_that_so

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

I get it that people are taking the p1ss about doing this. Hilarious, ha ha, sides are killing me etc

But I’m trying to keep my family safe here.

Proper hand washing, clean commonly used areas at home and no face touching will get you there.

voluntary

metricspaces wrote: »

Unless you are using a P2 or P3 mask and use it correctly then you are getting no protection from this virus. Take a look at that thread I linked to a few posts back, it's from an Irish consultant doctor.

There are as many opinions as there are experts.

I'm talking specifically about common situations where you keep the 2 meter social distance and wear mask to protect you from somebody in public sneezing in the distance (the droplets can fly 5 meters when you sneeze or cough)

voluntary

Esel wrote: »

Even a simple dust mask will make it impossible to touch your nose or mouth...

Dust mask will also stop the larger particles from directly entering your mouth. These are usually difficult to breath through though. Wouldn't wear them to work as you start sweating after 5 minutes of wearing one.

Sleeper12

voluntary wrote: »

There are as many opinions as there are experts.

I'm talking specifically about common situations where you keep the 2 meter social distance and wear mask to protect you from somebody in public sneezing in the distance (the droplets can fly 5 meters when you sneeze or cough)

WHO & HSE say this is a waste of mask, time & money. They don't advise you to wear a mask unless you have the virus or are caring for someone with the virus. Outside of thes two WHO don't recomend masks

voluntary

metricspaces wrote: »

Exactly. Where did you read this maximum of 1 hour? A video I watched for medical professional said you could use same mask all day.

Some banks have been putting money into 150 degree heat for a few seconds to kill viruses. Might be an option for masks?

1 hour, just heard in some interview with a desperate surgeon complaining they only get very few masks per day now. He was saying that because of lack of supply the hospital put limits for a nurse, 1 mask for 6 hours of day shifts, 1 mask for 12 hours per night shift. 1 mask for 3 hours in the intensive use room.

This was a doctor in hospital abroad. Wonder what limitations do hospitals impose here.

voluntary

Sleeper12 wrote: »

WHO & HSE say this is a waste of mask, time & money. They don't advise you to wear a mask unless you have the virus or are caring for someone with the virus. Outside of thes two WHO don't recomend masks

Yes, because they advice based on statistics. Their goal is not to keep you 100% safe. They take supply and many factors in consideration and advice to provide the best output for general society.

If public wastes masks then health professional will not have them as there's simply no masks available in the whole world.

Esel

c montgomery wrote: »

******* pharmacy in Kinsale road cork has a big sign outside saying hand sanatiser now available.

We are a family if 4 so I picked up 4 bottles so everyone could have one when they left the house.

Went to pay, 40 euro for 4 bottles.

10 euro for a 200ml bottle!!!

When I said this was a rip off they said it was all they could source.

After purchasing I examined the label to see where in the world these were flown in from to justify this price tag.

The label indicated it was manufactured 10 miles away in waregrasshill Cork.

Dirty robbing feckers price gouging in a national emergency.

Never will I set foot in that pharmacy again.

Avoid if you can, they want to Rob you blind.

It is possible that the manufacturer is the one doing the gouging - don't shoot the messenger.

voluntary

c montgomery wrote: »

***************** has a big sign outside saying hand sanatiser now available.

We are a family if 4 so I picked up 4 bottles so everyone could have one when they left the house.

Went to pay, 40 euro for 4 bottles.

10 euro for a 200ml bottle!!!

When I said this was a rip off they said it was all they could source.

After purchasing I examined the label to see where in the world these were flown in from to justify this price tag.

The label indicated it was manufactured 10 miles away in waregrasshill Cork.

Dirty robbing feckers price gouging in a national emergency.

Never will I set foot in that pharmacy again.

Avoid if you can, they want to Rob you blind.

Supply and demand I suppose. The government should do better wrapping up the supply. They could do it abroad, why they can't here?

You can buy high quality hand sanitizer for as little as 3 EUR for 1 litter bottle. The 10 EUR for 200 ml is super opportunistic, but this sort of things happen if there's no coordination and supply dries out.

Sleeper12

voluntary wrote: »

Yes, because they advice based on statistics. Their goal is not to keep you 100% safe. They take supply and many factors in consideration and advice to provide the best output for general society.

If public wastes masks then health professional will not have them as there's simply no masks available in the whole world.

Now you see you are making this up. This drives me nuts. WHO & HSE & all world health bodies are wrong & you are right.


Here's a question to ask yourself, Why do doctors & nurses only wear masks in hospitals? Why don't they wear them on the bus, DART, LUAS or while out shopping? The answer is because they know more than you & have training in these things. In hospitals the recommended procedure is to replace the mask between patients



Here's another thing, scarf around your face is a waste of time too unless you replace scarf every 15 to 30 minutes & wash them afterwards.



People see this nonsense on TV from China. What they don't realize is that these people wear masks all year round because of the pollution in Chinese cities. They were masks from childhood upwards. They aren't wearing masks specially for this virus. To them its like us putting on a hat in the winter.

voluntary

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Why don't they wear them on the bus, DART, LUAS or while out shopping?

I think now you're making this up. How would you know if they wear masks on DART? I bet most surgeons drive these days anyways to avoid transmission!

c montgomery

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-companies-collaborating-in-national-interest-to-make-sanitiser-for-health-service-due-to-coronavirus-shortage-8ee24245-ec82-4ef6-8863-5d097820c86b-ds

It's these guys making it for national interest.

10 euro for 200ml in **************, robbing feckers

iamwhoiam

Esel wrote: »

It is possible that the manufacturer is the one doing the gouging - don't shoot the messenger.

Exactly . The pharmacy probably paid over the odds for them . No one was obliged to buy them .

c montgomery

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Exactly . The pharmacy probably paid over the odds for them . No one was obliged to buy them .

They are an essential in the current environment for anyone who still needs to work and can't from home.

Article indicates that it's being manufactured in national interest and alcohol being provided for free by distillers.

But sure defend the pharmacy.you know nothing about..

Sleeper12

voluntary wrote: »

I think now you're making this up. How would you know if they wear masks on DART? I bet most surgeons drive these days anyways to avoid transmission!

Like most people in Dublin I know many people working in Dublin hospitals. Family members are young doctors working in different hospitals in & outside of Dublin. All you have to do is watch them come you of the hospital. Not a single one wears gloves or a mask.



But as usual Boards posters know more than our trained professionals, HSE & the WHO. It's a wonder that boards members haven't come up with a cure yet.

metricspaces

metricspaces wrote: »

If masks work for medical professionals and they'll work for us mere mortals.

Masks work and there is benefit if you have a P2 or P3 mask and most importantly use it correctly. They just don't want everyone panicking because there are no masks available to buy. Unless you were quick enough to buy the correct masks when this all kicked off in China. Before the Chinese in Ireland were buying up and posting back to China.

There is a thread on here from a doctor see https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062219 . He secured his own supply of masks and gloves for him and family members. I think I'll trust him over believing what media, government or WHO may say.

Another way of looking at it. If main route of transmission was through self infection by touching infected surfaces then why are they strongly pushing social distancing?

Correct. Masks are effective at limiting the spread (on public transport etc). The first thing Singapore did (in Jan!) was to issue masks to every household in the country.

We should have had a national stockpile of masks, of all types. The amount of idiotic things we have a stockpile of, and no masks? Someone needs to be held accountable for that. As soon as it was obvious how bad this was (several months ago!), we should have been producing them 24/7 and limiting export.

iamwhoiam

c montgomery wrote: »

They are an essential in the current environment for anyone who still needs to work and can't from home.

Article indicates that it's being manufactured in national interest and alcohol being provided for free by distillers.

But sure defend the pharmacy.you know nothing about..

I am defending no one but have an open mind . Was it that hand sanitizer named in the article that you bought ?

c montgomery

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am defending no one but have an open mind . Was it that hand sanitizer named in the article that you bought ?

Yes it was, manufactured on 18march2020 in Cork according to the label by the lab mentioned in the article.

jccg

My daughters are putting teatree oil in the soap dispenser ,we cant get hand sanitiser but hopefully this will work,cant harm anyway