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A must read for the ''lockdown'' brigade.

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    #62
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
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    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    Therein lies the problem. If people need to see the numbers escalate to the level of Italy then it's already too late.

    Too many being complacent because the numbers are not yet at that level and missing the point that if they continue largely as normal then they increase the risk of getting to that point.

    Which "people" are you referring to though?

    Most of the population of this country will comply with the instructions of our leaders... if it's in the interest of the country and saving lives.

    But if those orders never come, or come too late... there is nothing for the people to follow or comply with!


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    #63
    Nermal
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    Has the government released details of the modelling that led to us selecting the particular mix and timing of restrictions we have put in place?


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    #64
    Alf Veedersane
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Which "people" are you referring to though?

    Most of the population of this country will comply with the instructions of our leaders... if it's in the interest of the country and saving lives.

    But if those orders never come, or come too late... there is nothing for the people to follow or comply with!


    The people who haven't complied by choice already...that we saw disregarding the advice on distancing at the weekend, for example.

    The instructions on distancing, in order to reduce the spread, have been clear since long before the weekend. But it wasn't being heeded. Any lockdown will still rely on people taking responsibility for their own actions and following the advice that has been given for a number of weeks.


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    #65
    listermint
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    Nermal wrote: »
    Has the government released details of the modelling that led to us selecting the particular mix and timing of restrictions we have put in place?

    Yes they are emailing it to you personally as we speak


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    #66
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
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    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The people who haven't complied by choice already...that we saw disregarding the advice on distancing at the weekend, for example.

    The instructions on distancing, in order to reduce the spread, have been clear since long before the weekend. But it wasn't being heeded. Any lockdown will still rely on people taking responsibility for their own actions and following the advice that has been given for a number of weeks.

    You'll never get everybody in any country to comply... some countries will be better than others.

    But I think we are somewhere in the middle in terms of how our citizens are co-operating. Most are doing okay.

    If you want less movement of people in the country, and hence less chance of virus spread, it needs to come from the leaders at the top. They need to make that decision to put in place stricter curfews, consent documents for being outdoors etc etc.

    And again, most of our people will comply with those stricter measures... if it's in the interests of saving lives!


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    #67
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,624 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    You'll never get everybody in any country to comply... some countries will be better than others.

    But I think we are somewhere in the middle in terms of how our citizens are co-operating. Most are doing okay.

    If you want less movement of people in the country, and hence less chance of virus spread, it needs to come from the leaders at the top. They need to make that decision to put in place stricter curfews, consent documents for being outdoors etc etc.

    And again, most of our people will comply with those stricter measures... if it's in the interests of saving lives!

    My point was really that a lot of people who should know better don't. There's no excuse for it and it really only takes one instance of being blasé to set off a chain of events. It needs to be more than 'doing okay' when it comes to following the advice. 'Patient 31' in South Korea is a perfect example.

    The crowds on Salthill prom, at Glendalough etc weren't isolated incidents and the problem is that people don't realise how serious it is until it's too late.

    I think there is an element of "aren't we doing a great job all the same! Look how quickly we acted and look at the omnishambles in the UK. We're doing so well" while being oblivious to the fact that the single biggest factor in flattening the curve is heeding the advice that's been out there for weeks.

    All that said, I don't think we're terrible or anywhere near it. Just need to be better than okay to avoid pushing healthcare capacity beyond the tipping point. We can't always blame the government for people spreading when the people spreading know full well they're going against fairly clear advice.


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