Running, Corona Virus and Social Distancing

stockshares

The regulars will love this. Amanda Brunker was on Mary Wilsons Rte Drivetime show giving out about Runners.

Catch it on Rte player if you missed it.

MonkstownHoop

stockshares wrote: »

The regulars will love this. Amanda Brunner was on Mary Wilsons Rte Drivetime show giving out about Runners.

Catch it on Rte player if you missed it.

She's on twitter, a backlash is needed.

Swiper the fox

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

She's on twitter, a backlash is needed.

Conor Pope was raging with her,

Stark

Is it on the player? couldn't find it.

The Davestator

Its not a mystery as to where all these new runners are coming from. There are over 500,000 gym members in Ireland.
People who want to keep healthy and exercise.
All gyms are closed, cycling is pointless due to restrictions and it is very difficult to get home gym equipment as everyone is looking for it! Running appears to be the answer for lots of them.

stockshares

Stark wrote: »

Is it on the player? couldn't find it.

It might not be up yet. You might have to wait till tomorrow and then go google Rte Radio drivetime and click on the Podcasts link under the main link.

nyarlothothep

I did a few timing experiments with park runs. The nearest place within the 2km limit is a park so that's what I'm limited to, that and the footpaths are pointless as they're not wide enough to accommodate the 2 metre social distancing principle (and families/walkers seldom observe it at all anyway, meaning I have to go out on the road, looking behind me while dumbo 1 or dumbo 2 stare at me like I'm an alien, even though they're taking up the entire footpath!).

In any case it can be fairly busy. The best advice I can give is to look far, far ahead, I run on the open fields, so I can get a good view. If I see dogs anywhere I change route. My main fear is dogs, I hate dogs not on leads or more accurately I utterly hate the owners when their dogs run up to me. Since dogs may be carriers this is even more egregious. Happy families clearly are major problem, they spread out and take up entire paths, it's bizarre to see. Cyclists are equally bad and seem to be like iron filings to magnets, they just have to cycle up on top of you. I run in perpendicular directions to rapidly increase distance between me and the offending agent.

There is a lot of stop/starting, particularly around choke points where you're forced to use the path. Again, I find if the great unwashed actually used their fcking brains for once, everyone could enjoy the park. Example: I am rigorously practicing social distancing out of self preservation and civic responsibility. Therefore I benefit other people as they would me if they would practice it themselves but the majority don't! When I do see people observing it, I give a small nod of acknowledgement and appreciation and it's good to see people moving aside for others (when it sometimes happens). This is what we should be doing. However, there are so many ****ing jackasses that don't, talking in groups, refusing to give space and generally wandering around in their own little worlds and therein lies the rub.

Murph_D

stockshares wrote: »

It might not be up yet. You might have to wait till tomorrow and then go google Rte Radio drivetime and click on the Podcasts link under the main link.

No thanks.

skyblue46

stockshares wrote: »

It might not be up yet. You might have to wait till tomorrow and then go google Rte Radio drivetime and click on the Podcasts link under the main link.

Do you really think that anybody cares what Amanda Brunker thinks?

Burkie1203

skyblue46 wrote: »

Do you really think that anybody cares what Amanda Brunker thinks?

Her liposuction must have sucked her brain out and was replaced with botox

Burkie1203

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I did a few timing experiments with park runs. The nearest place within the 2km limit is a park so that's what I'm limited to, that and the footpaths are pointless as they're not wide enough to accommodate the 2 metre social distancing principle (and families/walkers seldom observe it at all anyway, meaning I have to go out on the road, looking behind me while dumbo 1 or dumbo 2 stare at me like I'm an alien, even though they're taking up the entire footpath!).

In any case it can be fairly busy. The best advice I can give is to look far, far ahead, I run on the open fields, so I can get a good view. If I see dogs anywhere I change route. My main fear is dogs, I hate dogs not on leads or more accurately I utterly hate the owners when their dogs run up to me. Since dogs may be carriers this is even more egregious. Happy families clearly are major problem, they spread out and take up entire paths, it's bizarre to see. Cyclists are equally bad and seem to be like iron filings to magnets, they just have to cycle up on top of you. I run in perpendicular directions to rapidly increase distance between me and the offending agent.

There is a lot of stop/starting, particularly around choke points where you're forced to use the path. Again, I find if the great unwashed actually used their fcking brains for once, everyone could enjoy the park. Example: I am rigorously practicing social distancing out of self preservation and civic responsibility. Therefore I benefit other people as they would me if they would practice it themselves but the majority don't! When I do see people observing it, I give a small nod of acknowledgement and appreciation and it's good to see people moving aside for others (when it sometimes happens). This is what we should be doing. However, there are so many ****ing jackasses that don't, talking in groups, refusing to give space and generally wandering around in their own little worlds and therein lies the rub.

I live right between two decent sized parks. Also a fairly quiet large residential area so I can run on roads mostly. ..I ducked into both parks today. One was busy so I left after one lap and went to the other. Was maybe 20 ppl there. Two lads doing sprints up and down a pitch, they were either side of a set of goalposts, nobody else near them. Only 16 or 17 but they looked like brothers.

Others on the paths were great. Dogs on long leads were reeled in etc.

stockshares

skyblue46 wrote: »

Do you really think that anybody cares what Amanda Brunker thinks?

No, I thought some would be amused.She said she had two lovely Whippets

nyarlothothep

Burkie1203 wrote: »

I live right between two decent sized parks. Also a fairly quiet large residential area so I can run on roads mostly. ..I ducked into both parks today. One was busy so I left after one lap and went to the other. Was maybe 20 ppl there. Two lads doing sprints up and down a pitch, they were either side of a set of goalposts, nobody else near them. Only 16 or 17 but they looked like brothers.

Others on the paths were great. Dogs on long leads were reeled in etc.

This is what it should be like, empty-ish and dogs on leads, I never see this, might make a complaint about it. And dog owners are so willfully thick, they just stare at you mutely when you tell them several times to call their dogs back.

Casey78

stockshares wrote: »

No, I thought some would be amused.She said she had two lovely Whippets

And pretty big ones at that......;)

rovers_runner

Smashing evening for a run, like the end of summer.
A lovely hilly 10k in the woods, met tons of people of all ages in great spirits.

F*ck you Drew Harris, f*ck you Amanda Brunker you'll never take our roads and trails from us!

Burkie1203

nyarlothothep wrote: »

This is what it should be like, empty-ish and dogs on leads, I never see this, might make a complaint about it. And dog owners are so willfully thick, they just stare at you mutely when you tell them several times to call their dogs back.

I had that issue last week. Just because the lead is 10metres long doesn't mean your dog should be 10 metres from you. Asked him to respect other users.

As i left I spotted a garda car. They went in to have a chat. That lad hasn't been seen since by me anyway

Glencarraig

nyarlothothep wrote: »

This is what it should be like, empty-ish and dogs on leads, I never see this, might make a complaint about it. And dog owners are so willfully thick, they just stare at you mutely when you tell them several times to call their dogs back.

Dont forget the kamikaze kids on scooters/small bikes who look anywhere except where they are supposed to be going. Parents are oblivious.

Swiper the fox

I was really cross with Brunker listening to that earlier, Mary Wilson seemed to give her a lot of rope as well and at one stage seemed to suggest that Conor Pope was getting a bit emotional in a patronising way,
Suggesting that runners had spat in the direction of her feet, Jesus Christ, I’ve never seen that as long as I’ve been running, pitting people agss as inst runners now is a ****ty thing to do,

average_runner

Glencarraig wrote: »

Dont forget the kamikaze kids on scooters/small bikes who look anywhere except where they are supposed to be going. Parents are oblivious.

Eh that is what kids do. They get distracted easily, the same way you did when a kid.


Most parents will remind their kids, but they are just kids. Current times are very tough on them also, cant see their friends, too young to understand and get very upset every so often about it all.

Hannibal_Smith

Ah lads, kids on bikes and scooters can't be expected to have road/path sense. We have ours trained for years about walking single file or stopping on the bike if someone is coming the other way. But that took years to fine tune and even at that they need a few reminders these days.

I'd say I look like someone who's only out because of the lockdown. It's bad enough thinking people are frowning because you're moving (slightly) faster than a walk. But to be thinking runners too are questioning you being on the road is pretty unmotivating. Ever since I was sick trying to get back has me huffing and puffing along. I'm so paranoid about it I stopped wearing earphones so I could try quieten the train

This is what we've become. If everyone could keep their eyes on their own work and trust other people are working within the rules, we'd all keep a lot more sane.

Kermit.de.frog

Just don't run or jog.

It's very simple.

Do all the runners out there find this confusing or what's the problem?

You can jog again in a few months (probably) but I think it's time to outlaw jogging in public for the next few weeks and i'd like to see fines issued at this stage.

It's not right. Everyone else is sticking to the plan to prevent spread and save lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DogS6dIe2t4

adrian522

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Just don't run or jog.

It's very simple.

Do all the runners out there find this confusing or what's the problem?

You can jog again in a few months (probably) but I think it's time to outlaw jogging in public for the next few weeks and i'd like to see fines issued at this stage.

It's not right. Everyone else is sticking to the plan to prevent spread and save lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DogS6dIe2t4

Have a read of this if you'd like to educate yourself:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/#the-only-reasons-you-can-leave-your-home

The only reasons you can leave your home
Stay at home in all circumstances, except in the following situations:

to travel to and from work where the work is considered an essential service. The full list of essential services is available here
working in an essential shop, bank or post office. The full list of essential shops, post offices and banks is available here
to attend medical appointments and collect medicines and other health products for yourself, your family or someone who is vulnerable or 'cocooning'
for vital family reasons including caring for children, elderly or vulnerable people but excluding social family visits
to exercise within 2 kilometres of your house. You cannot exercise with people from outside your household

Maybe read the bit in bold very slowly to yourself a few times before you post again

Kermit.de.frog

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

Vinnie222

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

I've seen many unfit people sweating and panting while out walking, maybe that should be banned also. Majority of running don't sweat and pant while out for a easy run

IvoryTower

I've upped my mileage from 30mpw to 50mpw, sure what else is there to do apart from pave the streets with toxic sweat

adrian522

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

Where is your source on this. The guidelines are quite clear on this, how do you know how impressed or otherwise he is?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

No evidence whatsoever that it is any different than someone out walking, hence running and solo exercise in gerneral is specifically allowed and encouraged. Can you post your evidence on this please rather than scaremongering?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

Your entitled to your opinion I guess but there is no reason for outdoor exercise to be banned but as of now it is still allowed so people can and should continue to do it.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

Yep, some people really need to just follow the guidelines as published.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

Not really sure what the essential difference between going for a walk and going for a run, both are allowed and encouraged, no chance one is going to be banned because of some nonsense on the Internet.

average_runner

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Just don't run or jog.

It's very simple.

Do all the runners out there find this confusing or what's the problem?

You can jog again in a few months (probably) but I think it's time to outlaw jogging in public for the next few weeks and i'd like to see fines issued at this stage.

It's not right. Everyone else is sticking to the plan to prevent spread and save lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DogS6dIe2t4

Either you are trolling or just not reading the advice from our government.

Its perfectly safe to run if you keep 1 meter apart(WHO recommendations) or 2 meters(our government).

If a walker/runner hits off you, you have the same chance of picking the virus up.

Most runners are running early in the morning when there is no one around, today I saw 3 people from a distance.

We are obeying the government advice.

brutes1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

Exercise good for health.

The introduction of more restrictions on liberties is not acceptable

Especially not for a virus that has a wall of propaganda around it and lack of clarity around death rates and infection rates. Months in and we still do not have population samples indicating infection rates.

The world should not stop for something like this. The govt needs to work around it and get on with life.

Kermit.de.frog

adrian522 wrote: »

Where is your source on this. The guidelines are quite clear on this, how do you know how impressed or otherwise he is?

The daily briefing.

I take it you don't watch it.

Kermit.de.frog

brutes1 wrote: »

Exercise good for health.

The introduction of more restrictions on liberties is not acceptable

Especially not for a virus that has a wall of propaganda around it and lack of clarity around death rates and infection rates. Months in and we still do not have population samples indicating infection rates.

The world should not stop for something like this. The govt needs to work around it and get on with life.

Hi Gemma, how is life treating yeh? :pac:

bucketybuck

I would much rather run than get my kicks from trolling message boards.

backofthepack

and just to be pedantic I don't jog, I run, within guidelines

Unthought Known

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

The OP wonders why looks are being given.

When you run you sweat and pant. This is not good for anyone within feet of you running by if you happen to be infected.

I fully expect jogging to be banned in the coming days incidentally. It won't be allowed continue, nor should it.

You can go a while without jogging. It's not a requirement.

People need some cop on and a sense of perspective.

You won't be flabbing out because you can't go for a jog for a while.

Just go for a walk. 4 km is a perfectly good walk.

I can't see a full ban happening. It's not as if there's a horde of runners deliberately terrorising the community, flinging their sweat in all directions as they play chicken with walkers.

Most people, runners, walkers, cyclists, are doing their best to maintain distance and respect others when out of the house.

Personally, I'd guess that I "sweat and pant" less on my runs, and maintain a greater distance from others, and limit my excursions to max once per day, than others/you do on your 4km walk.

Kermit.de.frog

Running is a good pursuit.

It's very healthy.

Unfortunately at this time it presents a growing risk to others. That's mostly down to the increase in numbers.

Let's be real not all joggers are keeping proper distance - I see it myself every day.

Like I say I expect it to be part of a new bundle of restrictions.

Just exercise some other way for a while.

adrian522

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The daily briefing.

I take it you don't watch it.

Post his quote where he said this.

Tabnabs

A recent Belgian-Dutch study has applied the already known science regarding slipstreaming and looked at it from the perspective of social-distancing and corona virus.

On the basis of these results the scientist advises that for walking the distance of people moving in the same direction in 1 line should be at least 4–5 meter, for running and slow biking it should be 10 meters and for hard biking at least 20 meters. Also, when passing someone it is advised to already be in different lane at a considerable distance e.g. 20 meters for biking.

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

average_runner

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Running is a good pursuit.

It's very healthy.

Unfortunately at this time it presents a growing risk to others. That's mostly down to the increase in numbers.

Let's be real not all joggers are keeping proper distance - I see it myself every day.

Like I say I expect it to be part of a new bundle of restrictions.

Just exercise some other way for a while.

Most walkers aren't keeping their distance, most dog owners not keeping dogs on the lead or cleaning up after them.

So ban walking first

Kermit.de.frog

average_runner wrote: »

Most walkers aren't keeping their distance, most dog owners not keeping dogs on the lead or cleaning up after them.

So ban walking first

You need to walk to move. You don't need to run.

It's as simple and straight forward as that.

adrian522

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Running is a good pursuit.

It's very healthy.

Unfortunately at this time it presents a growing risk to others. That's mostly down to the increase in numbers.

Let's be real not all joggers are keeping proper distance - I see it myself every day.

Like I say I expect it to be part of a new bundle of restrictions.

Just exercise some other way for a while.

Can you actually post some evidence for the claims you are making. If what you are saying is true then why is it not mentioned in any advice anywhere.

I'm not engaging with your nonsense unless you come up with some actual facts rather than posting this sort of nonsense.

Kermit.de.frog

adrian522 wrote: »

Can you actually post some evidence for the claims you are making. If what you are saying is true then why is it not mentioned in any advice anywhere.

The CMO mentioned it in the daily briefing you don't watch.

Obviously with more numbers comes more inexperience and people who would not be aware at all times of their distance.

I have had joggers run within centimeters of me in the last few days.

What do you have to say about that?

Are you going to defend that?

And if you are not going to defend it what is your solution?

average_runner

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You need to walk to move. You don't need to run.

It's as simple and straight forward as that.

Its simple and straight forward to obey the 2 meter rule also. More runners obeying than walkers. Maybe the gardai should fined the ones not keeping the 2 meter rule

OOnegative

Tabnabs wrote: »

A recent Belgian-Dutch study has applied the already known science regarding slipstreaming and looked at it from the perspective of social-distancing and corona virus.



https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

Well I can 100% confirm none of that happens in The Netherlands.

Kermit.de.frog

average_runner wrote: »

Its simple and straight forward to obey the 2 meter rule also. More runners obeying than walkers. Maybe the gardai should fined the ones not keeping the 2 meter rule

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

You may keep to the rules and fair enough but many are not.

The public are not going to be policing them.

adrian522

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO mentioned it in the daily briefing you don't watch.

Obviously with more numbers comes more inexperience and people who would not be aware at all times of their distance.

I have had joggers run within centimeters of me in the last few days.

What do you have to say about that?

Are you going to defend that?

And if you are not going to defend it what is your solution?

Can you post what he said? When did he say it? I actually don't believe what you are saying is true.

Why would I defend what you say other people are doing?

People should follow the guidelines, which is 2 meters distance in all instances.

That has been pointed out over and over again, especially in your daily briefings.

adrian522

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

You may keep to the rules and fair enough but many are not.

The public are not going to be policing them.

You are obviously a big fan of making claims without any evidence to back them up.

From my experience this is quite obviously not the case.

Unfortunately it is the government that sets the rules not randomers on the Internet based on anecdotal or no evidence.

And No, I don't expect any new restrictions in the next few days.

average_runner

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

You may keep to the rules and fair enough but many are not.

The public are not going to be policing them.

Its the opposite where I am in Dublin. The runners are keeping the rules but walkers are walking in groups(not all from the same house), blocking footpaths, having conversations on the paths etc

crisco10

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

You may keep to the rules and fair enough but many are not.

The public are not going to be policing them.

I can't believe I'm doing this but....

How do you know that? because you are counting? do you have extensive tally sheets? On my run this morning, I came across 4 people. 3 runners who all swerved significantly to avoid me (and I did the same). One dog walker who steadfastly held their line. Ergo, no dog walkers care about social distancing.

And even if you did, they would be subject to bias because of the difference in speeds that you are travelling at. You will see proportionately more runners because they are moving at a different pace to you, as opposed to other walkers.

Kermit.de.frog

adrian522 wrote: »

Can you post what he said? When did he say it? I actually don't believe what you are saying is true.

Why would I defend what you say other people are doing?

People should follow the guidelines, which is 2 meters distance in all instances.

That has been pointed out over and over again, especially in your daily briefings.

I don't care whether you believe it - i'm not going back to find the exact time and quotes for you.

It was the one before yesterday. Go back and watch - it's in the journos Q&A - you can watch on RTE

You're a health nut - you should be watching every day.

Again you misdiagnose the problem due to bias.

The fact is not all joggers are abiding by those rules. You know it, I know it. It's not a debate.

And that's why restrictions are likely (not saying it will happen but I think it's likely).

Kermit.de.frog

average_runner wrote: »

Its the opposite where I am in Dublin. The runners are keeping the rules but walkers are walking in groups(not all from the same house), blocking footpaths, having conversations on the paths etc

I know, and gardai have powers to break those groups up.

I am walking alone always at the moment. I make a point of that.

Unthought Known

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

More runners are not obeying it and that is why new restrictions and pretty likely in the next few days.

That's a ridiculous statement with no evidence. Given the ratio of walkers/dog walkers to runners I would guess it's the other way round.