Running, Corona Virus and Social Distancing

quaalude

rainbow kirby wrote: »

Not a bog, I live in England so checking NHS advice and they haven't really said anything. I'm just going with starting with short, slow walking, like I'm a completely inactive person starting out. This suits when I'm bringing my kids out for a walk as 4 year olds do like to stop and smell the flowers! At the moment I'm not really sweating, not even breathing hard as it's an overall constitutional fatigue that's the limiting factor. I live in a 2 bedroom apartment so the kids need to go out for a local walk every day or they will go absolutely nuts.

I think next week I may start doing some YouTube yoga in my sitting room, or at the very least encouraging my kids to do Cosmic Kids and joining in with them!

Glad you're feeling better RK.

For people thinking about yoga at home: have a look at the free 2-week trial on www.glo.com. I was freaking out when my yoga studio closed, I'm so used to going to a studio and doing a class every day. But the classes on glo.com are brilliant, it's kept me sane and fit during this poxy time, they've everything from 10 minute sitting meditations to 90 minute full-on fast vinyasa flows. The teacher Jason Crandell is fabulous.

About running in general: I've been doing 45 minute runs around my neighbourhood, keeping 2m from others on the paths or going out onto the road if I need to to maintain that distance.
I do a little wave and a smile to everyone I see when I'm out and about almost everyone waves or smiles back. That too, is keeping me sane - that little bit of niceness is huge for me right now.

average_runner

John_Rambo wrote: »

Unfortunately most footpaths are under 2 metres so if a jogger is intent on staying on the path it's up to me to move my family off the path!

Take it easy, don't get offended, I'm reading this thread and taking all the points and teaching the kids to stay very very clear of all joggers. We've abandoned our normal route in to the park to play in the fields and use a new one over rough ground because of pinch points and to give joggers the tarmac.

I have kids but am also a runner. Even before the virus, if you saw a family with a buggy or kids on scooters or bikes, I would just move out of their way.

Same way I would expect a family to give way to one person at a gate.

This is all common sense that was there before the virus

average_runner

Unthought Known wrote: »

Because Ireland has got it absolutely perfect. Maybe contact journalist in New Zealand for advice as they're looking better.

Comparing Ireland to New Zealand, is like apples and oranges, its not like for like.

Its a lot harder to get to New Zealand and its spread across two islands, so easier for them to do 2 weeks quarantine on people arriving.

John_Rambo

average_runner wrote: »

I have kids but am also a runner. Even before the virus, if you saw a family with a buggy or kids on scooters or bikes, I would just move out of their way.

Same way I would expect a family to give way to one person at a gate.

This is all common sense that was there before the virus

Same here, but some people don't...

RacoonQueen wrote: »

people have always been ignorant with taking up paths when walking, using their buggies as weapons etc that hasn't changed a huge amount.

So, to keep up social distancing I am trying to avoid joggers who want to stick to the path.

stockshares

robinph wrote: »

Which advice would that be then?

Other than "take it easy and only do as much as you can manage" you won't find any other advice on recovery from this virus, and that would be pretty much exactly the same advice that you'll be giving on recovering from any other virus, or any other condition of any kind that has you out of action for a while... well maybe broken bones might add in some physio advice but it's still essentially "take it easy".

What part of going for a walk and smelling the flowers along the way is anything other than taking it easy.

They also need advice on how soon they could exercise without spreading the virus . The person doesn't seem to have gotten any advice because he or she didn't require hospital.

Chivito550

Wow, this thread has escalated fast!

Glad I drive to isolated areas to do my sessions, if this thread is any indication of the people who are congregating in parks!

stockshares

Chivito550 wrote: »

Wow, this thread has escalated fast!

Glad I drive to isolated areas to do my sessions, if this thread is any indication of the people who are congregating in parks!

Is the drive within 2km

jamule

stockshares wrote: »

Is the drive within 2km

no its not, he drives 15km just to run 200metre:p

average_runner

stockshares wrote: »

Is the drive within 2km

Can you please say 2k radius to be correct

Chivito550

stockshares wrote: »

Is the drive within 2km

Close enough. The extra 400m is worth it for the peace and quiet so I don't have to encounter folk like yourself.

The 2km radius is to stop people congregating in hotpots like Howth and Glendalough, not to stop people who want to avoid human interaction when exercising within their locality, the precise thing you are whingeing about.

average_runner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Close enough. The extra 400m is worth it for the peace and quiet so I don't have to encounter folk like yourself.

The 2km radius is to stop people congregating in hotpots like Howth and Glendalough, not to stop people who want to avoid human interaction when exercising within their locality, the precise thing you are whingeing about.

You just kicked him off again:eek:

tom1ie

Why doesn’t everyone just train at home?
Ya know 15 minute hiit sessions, home callisthenics using your door as a chin up bar (put folded up cardboard to build up the ground under the door) if you don’t have a chin up bar.
There are ways of staying fit without going out running.

tom1ie

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Where did I say I expect people to do that? I expect people to have manners and manners in general from pedestrians can be very poor when they are in groups/with children/with dogs and even sometimes on their own they'll blindly walk in the middle of a path not leaving anyone else space to pass be they walking or running. A topic which comes up on this forum often.

Sorry m8 but family taking up a narrow path take precedence over your jogging. You’ll have to get out of their way as opposed to the other way around.

adrian522

tom1ie wrote: »

Why doesn’t everyone just train at home?
Ya know 15 minute hiit sessions, home callisthenics using your door as a chin up bar (put folded up cardboard to build up the ground under the door) if you don’t have a chin up bar.
There are ways of staying fit without going out running.

Because, going out for solo exercise is specifically allowed in the regulations.

IvoryTower

tom1ie wrote: »

Sorry m8 but family taking up a narrow path take precedence over your jogging. You’ll have to get out of their way as opposed to the other way around.

No matter who is coming towards my family, fun runner, hobby jogger, dog, speed walker etc we will always try to make room on the path, anyone who doesn't is part of the problem tbh

We don't expect precedence over anyone

From what i can see the problem is some runners, some bikers, some families, there's always going to be a certain amount of people ignorant to the advice. I think the majority are doing great.

tom1ie

adrian522 wrote: »

Because, going out for solo exercise is specifically allowed in the regulations.

Training at home would be better as it would nip this clash in the bud and still allow people to train.
Everyone’s happy.

adrian522

tom1ie wrote: »

Sorry m8 but family taking up a narrow path take precedence over your jogging. You’ll have to get out of their way as opposed to the other way around.

Nobody takes precedence over anyone else, common courtesy called for all round. Nobody owns the footpath.

I'll normally move out where I can, I also really appreciate when groups go to single file or make accommodations and to be honest I haven't seen any of the issues people on here have been talking about.

tom1ie

IvoryTower wrote: »

No matter who is coming towards my family, fun runner, hobby jogger, dog, speed walker etc we will always try to make room on the path, anyone who doesn't is part of the problem tbh

We don't expect precedence over anyone

Fair enough. Once 2m social separation is kept on narrow paths right.

tom1ie

adrian522 wrote: »

Nobody takes precedence over anyone else, common courtesy called for all round. Nobody owns the footpath.

I'll normally move out where I can, I also really appreciate when groups go to single file or make accommodations and to be honest I haven't seen any of the issues people on here have been talking about.

Once 2m is kept on a narrow path though yeah?

The Bishop Basher

Chivito550 wrote: »

The 2km radius is to stop people congregating in hotpots like Howth and Glendalough

No it's not.

Those destinations have either been shut or have checkpoints so the 2km rule is moot in that scenario.

It's meant to stop people travelling outside their immediate locality and spreading the virus even further.

Limit peoples movements and you limit the spread.

adrian522

tom1ie wrote: »

Training at home would be better as it would nip this clash in the bud and still allow people to train.
Everyone’s happy.

As long as people follow the guidelines it's all good. If the ruling was not to out I'm sure people would respect that. As long as the guidelines stay as they are people will continue to exercise outside.

tom1ie

adrian522 wrote: »

As long as people follow the guidelines it's all good. If the ruling was not to out I'm sure people would respect that. As long as the guidelines stay as they are people will continue to exercise outside.

Agreed however I am merely suggesting to solve the issues on this forum, people should just train at home.
Simples.

adrian522

Well I haven't had any issues, haven't had any negative interactions at all so need to stay home.

tom1ie

adrian522 wrote: »

Well I haven't had any issues, haven't had any negative interactions at all so need to stay home.

Yes but generally as opposed to thinking of your own experiences.
Do you not think it would make sense to train at home to stop people coming into close contact on footpaths like some of the scenarios on this thread.

skyblue46

tom1ie wrote: »

Agreed however I am merely suggesting to solve the issues on this forum, people should just train at home.
Simples.

The only issues on this forum are being brought in by a gang of gob****es trying to get running banned or some such nonsense. The runners on this forum are quite happily continuing their training outdoors, staying within 2km (give or take 400m :pac:), respecting social distancing and keeping healthy.



Maybe, just maybe, all you naysayers could just make your way back to whatever forum you usually frequent. Simples.

Glencarraig

hmmm wrote: »

When you're walking, most people are having this little dance where people are trying to stay out of each others way. We've time to do this. There's a lot of "will I move on to the road or will they" in my area. There's also the few gob****es who are oblivious to the world, and will pass a foot from you.

With runners and joggers there's less time and just a small bit more stressful. I suggest that joggers could help public perceptions by making very clear moves early on to indicate that they are going to move out of the way.

Is the solution to all this walker V runner/jogger situation as simple as "everybody walk/run on the left" ????

The Bishop Basher

skyblue46 wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, all you naysayers could just make your way back to whatever forum you usually frequent. Simples.

Why ? Because you don't like hearing an alternative view ?

Running is fine if it's practiced within the guidelines. The problem at the moment is it's near impossible to run on the path while maintaining the correct distance as the footpaths are rammed with families out walking.

Some people have found alternative routes, others have stopped running all together but the remainder are continuing as normal and running close to people on the footpaths which is both ignorant and dangerous just now.

Which bit if this do you take issue with ?

Are you suggesting that runners be given an exception to the distance rule ?

stockshares

Chivito550 wrote: »

Close enough. The extra 400m is worth it for the peace and quiet so I don't have to encounter folk like yourself.

The 2km radius is to stop people congregating in hotpots like Howth and Glendalough, not to stop people who want to avoid human interaction when exercising within their locality, the precise thing you are whingeing about.

People like me. Your the one breaking the regulations.

2km restriction is to prevent the spread of the virus to other communities.

IvoryTower

A bit of common sense needed, if an extra 400m reduces the chance of anyone spreading the poxy thing then obviously you should take the option that prevents the spread. I assume he just posted it so he can sit back and enjoy the froth

AuldManKing

Cant believe this toxic thread is still going (going nowhere btw) - still, if it helps keep the toxic elements (social clustering?) in one place, then hey-ho.

Unthought Known

average_runner wrote: »

Comparing Ireland to New Zealand, is like apples and oranges, its not like for like.

Its a lot harder to get to New Zealand and its spread across two islands, so easier for them to do 2 weeks quarantine on people arriving.

It wasn't a serious suggestion.

skyblue46

The Bishop Basher wrote: »

Why ? Because you don't like hearing an alternative view ?

Running is fine if it's practiced within the guidelines. The problem at the moment is it's near impossible to run on the path while maintaining the correct distance as the footpaths are rammed with families out walking.

Some people have found alternative routes, others have stopped running all together but the remainder are continuing as normal and running close to people on the footpaths which is both ignorant and dangerous just now.

Which bit if this do you take issue with ?

Are you suggesting that runners be given an exception to the distance rule ?

Yes, running is fine within the guidelines. You are barking up the wrong tree if you think you have many to convert on this thread to observing said guidelines. The guideline breakers and bad mannered, walkers and joggers both, who are normally sitting on their couches or sweating it in a gym are not reading this.

tom1ie

skyblue46 wrote: »

The only issues on this forum are being brought in by a gang of gob****es trying to get running banned or some such nonsense. The runners on this forum are quite happily continuing their training outdoors, staying within 2km (give or take 400m :pac:), respecting social distancing and keeping healthy.



Maybe, just maybe, all you naysayers could just make your way back to whatever forum you usually frequent. Simples.

wow your getting very upset over this chief.
I like staying fit as much as anyone on here. I'm only suggesting that you can stay fit plus stay indoors (which is obviously preferable during a pandemic unless you disagree?) by training at home.
wheres the harm?

Unthought Known

stockshares wrote: »

People like me. Your You're the one breaking the regulations.

2km restriction is to prevent the spread of the virus to other communities.

You're welcome

skyblue46

tom1ie wrote: »

wow your getting very upset over this chief.
I like staying fit as much as anyone on here. I'm only suggesting that you can stay fit plus stay indoors (which is obviously preferable during a pandemic unless you disagree?) by training at home.
wheres the harm?

Nah mate, I don't get upset at other peoples buffoonery. It's more a feeling of exasperation.

As for staying indoors...why would I? The experts are happy that I exercise in the way that I do. Why don't people stay in their bedrooms all day to avoid contact with all others to ensure there is no further spread? Maybe it's because they haven't been instructed to perhaps? Only a thought...

Anyway as has been said its crazy that this thread is still going...now to find a door frame, tree or vine to swing from to keep fit...:D

The Bishop Basher

skyblue46 wrote: »

The guideline breakers and bad mannered, walkers and joggers both, who are normally sitting on their couches or sweating it in a gym are not reading this.

The Bishop Basher wrote: »

Went out early for a walk this morning and the number of inexperienced runners huffing, puffing and snottering past within feet of me was a real issue tbh.

Experienced runners (ie those not huffing and puffing) seem to be a lot more aware and considerate.

I'm in total agreement.

Some people are getting defensive about running which is understandable but I was genuinely taken aback by the number of runners out this morning and about 40% had no problem running well within 2 meters of those of us walking.

I used the road but if I had young kids that may not have been an option.

I normally go much earlier but reckoned 8am would still be quiet enough.

The world and his wife were out.

kenmm

2 comments on what I read on this page, not read the whole thread:


#i think the 2km rule is really about an easy number that the Irish can understand. Hard rules are needed to stop people having a jolly by driving off into wicklow etc. It seems a number that was picked out the air to stop a certain behaviour.


Some people who are running are being d!cks. Every time I have taken my exercise, whether its a walk or whatever, I've witnessed runners getting close to people, particularly at pinch points like bridges etc. Normally you dont want to have to stop start when running, but in these times you must (to let someone on a bridge finish crossing it, to wait for traffic while someone else is using the pavement ahead etc). I don't see nearly enough runners (or even people walking in the city) doing this.

It is a privilege that you are still able to go out and more people need to respect this before further restrictions come in.

adrian522

tom1ie wrote: »

Yes but generally as opposed to thinking of your own experiences.
Do you not think it would make sense to train at home to stop people coming into close contact on footpaths like some of the scenarios on this thread.

Possibly, but I'll leave it up to the experts to make that judgement, there are huge mental as well as physical benefits to getting outside the house for some exercise.

stockshares

Unthought Known wrote: »

You're welcome

Drew Harris could do with you.:)

stockshares

IvoryTower wrote: »

A bit of common sense needed, if an extra 400m reduces the chance of anyone spreading the poxy thing then obviously you should take the option that prevents the spread. I assume he just posted it so he can sit back and enjoy the froth

That's fair enough but if that area is frequented by others closer by then the person is causing a problem and not preventing one.

Stark

adrian522 wrote: »

Possibly, but I'll leave it up to the experts to make that judgement, there are huge mental as well as physical benefits to getting outside the house for some exercise.

+1

I do a lot of indoor training. Pilates, gymnastic rings, weights etc. But nothing clears the head and stops me sliding into depression like getting out for a run.

robinph

kenmm wrote: »

Some people who are running are being d!cks. Every time I have taken my exercise, whether its a walk or whatever, I've witnessed runners getting close to people, particularly at pinch points like bridges etc. Normally you dont want to have to stop start when running, but in these times you must (to let someone on a bridge finish crossing it, to wait for traffic while someone else is using the pavement ahead etc). I don't see nearly enough runners (or even people walking in the city) doing this.

It is on those of us here to show extreme levels of social distancing and letting people through pinch points and run on the road where even slightly narrow. It is even more required when meeting other runners, there are a load of new people out there running and it's on us to show them these extreme distancing procedures as we can spot the points more often before they happen. They they will hopefully do the same to other walkers that they encounter on their runs through parks, whilst we head off to do the boring laps around a deserted carpark.

It is all pretty much completely useless as far as preventing transmission is concerned, but it is very important to ensure that more extreme regulations are not brought in.

Cyclists were a very visible "menace" on the roads to car drivers stuck in a jam and needing someone to blame for their problems. Runners have now taken that mantle and are very visible to the walkers out there and we need to be extreme in our nicety despite how little different it would make to actual transmission.

average_runner

The Bishop Basher wrote: »

Why ? Because you don't like hearing an alternative view ?

Running is fine if it's practiced within the guidelines. The problem at the moment is it's near impossible to run on the path while maintaining the correct distance as the footpaths are rammed with families out walking.

Some people have found alternative routes, others have stopped running all together but the remainder are continuing as normal and running close to people on the footpaths which is both ignorant and dangerous just now.

Which bit if this do you take issue with ?

Are you suggesting that runners be given an exception to the distance rule ?

How is it near impossible to run on the footpaths? Every one doesn't walk at the same speed or the same direction and they are able to overtake safely?

ligerdub

Gotta love the way some people take the opportunity to execute a bit of social power.....or at least try to.

Shame tactics are all the rage these days, perhaps no better example than the vigilante behaviour of some during the coronavirus shutdown. I find it odd that so many people want to increase restrictions to the absolute max.

There's a bit of social currency I suppose. The sort of people who go to the park to take photos and put them up on social media......complaining about the amount of people in the park! Gotta show people you care.

If this virus was as infectious as some on here suggest then nobody would be allowed go anywhere, and we'd all be mandated to exist in silos.....perhaps locked in cells for months on end. Bullet point: it isn't!

The chances of passing on a virus while running past somebody and several feet away, for the grand total of less than 2 seconds must be miniscule. Even if that person were reasonably close by, for arguments sake let's say on the edge of arms reach I'd be very surprised if this represented much of a risk to either party. That's not to say I'd encourage anything other than the recommended limit, but I think people need to get off their high horses on this one.

Chivito550

stockshares wrote: »

That's fair enough but if that area is frequented by others closer by then the person is causing a problem and not preventing one.

Where I go there are very few people about, and the paths are about 3m wide so in the rare times when you do encounter somebody it is easy to stay away from them. I've been down this area before COVID-19 and it's always been fairly quiet. I guess there just isn't that many houses nearby, unlike my local park which is surrounded by houses.

I'm a sprinter, so the training is different. I just need a stretch no longer than 300m (usually 150m will be enough). Where I go to train now, I can train without having to worry about encountering many people. I can actually focus on my session. If I were to use the local park, I'd be stuck with 1.5m wide paths and with a heavy flow of walkers, kids, dogs, runners. I actually wouldn't feel comfortable training in this kind of environment as I'd always be looking over my shoulder. I could use the grass but the grass is not football pitch grass, it's uneven terrain which is not very suitable for sprinting.

Common sense is important. The town I live in feels very busy with people walking around today. The park is right in the centre of the town. Contrary to what you might think, I'm actually very uncomfortable being around people right now, hence why I drive to where there are very few. I'm looking out for my own health as much as others, while still being able to train and keep the spirits up as a result.

Trampas

The people moaning about runners running on footpaths. What do you do when you come across walkers. Is there a stand off until one person/group cross the road?

The vast majority of runners know the rules and will obey them. Walkers can be a free for all but children will do what children do and can’t be asked to keep 2m gap as that concept doesn’t register with them

tom1ie

ligerdub wrote: »

Gotta love the way some people take the opportunity to execute a bit of social power.....or at least try to.

Shame tactics are all the rage these days, perhaps no better example than the vigilante behaviour of some during the coronavirus shutdown. I find it odd that so many people want to increase restrictions to the absolute max.

There's a bit of social currency I suppose. The sort of people who go to the park to take photos and put them up on social media......complaining about the amount of people in the park! Gotta show people you care.

If this virus was as infectious as some on here suggest then nobody would be allowed go anywhere, and we'd all be mandated to exist in silos.....perhaps locked in cells for months on end. Bullet point: it isn't!

The chances of passing on a virus while running past somebody and several feet away, for the grand total of less than 2 seconds must be miniscule. Even if that person were reasonably close by, for arguments sake let's say on the edge of arms reach I'd be very surprised if this represented much of a risk to either party. That's not to say I'd encourage anything other than the recommended limit, but I think people need to get off their high horses on this one.

sure its only the flu :rolleyes:

how do you know this to be the case?
The chances of passing on a virus while running past somebody and several feet away, for the grand total of less than 2 seconds must be miniscule.

tom1ie

Chivito550 wrote: »

Where I go there are very few people about, and the paths are about 3m wide so in the rare times when you do encounter somebody it is easy to stay away from them. I've been down this area before COVID-19 and it's always been fairly quiet. I guess there just isn't that many houses nearby, unlike my local park which is surrounded by houses.

I'm a sprinter, so the training is different. I just need a stretch no longer than 300m (usually 150m will be enough). Where I go to train now, I can train without having to worry about encountering many people. I can actually focus on my session. If I were to use the local park, I'd be stuck with 1.5m wide paths and with a heavy flow of walkers, kids, dogs, runners. I actually wouldn't feel comfortable training in this kind of environment as I'd always be looking over my shoulder. I could use the grass but the grass is not football pitch grass, it's uneven terrain which is not very suitable for sprinting.

Common sense is important. The town I live in feels very busy with people walking around today. The park is right in the centre of the town. Contrary to what you might think, I'm actually very uncomfortable being around people right now, hence why I drive to where there are very few. I'm looking out for my own health as much as others, while still being able to train and keep the spirits up as a result.

the 2km restriction is from your home?

Melanchthon

Trampas wrote: »

The people moaning about runners running on footpaths. What do you do when you come across walkers. Is there a stand off until one person/group cross the road?

The vast majority of runners know the rules and will obey them. Walkers can be a free for all but children will do what children do and can’t be asked to keep 2m gap as that concept doesn’t register with them

It's because with people out walking this happens

hmmm wrote: »

When you're walking, most people are having this little dance where people are trying to stay out of each others way. We've time to do this. There's a lot of "will I move on to the road or will they" in my area. There's also the few gob****es who are oblivious to the world, and will pass a foot from you.

With runners and joggers there's less time and just a small bit more stressful. I suggest that joggers could help public perceptions by making very clear moves early on to indicate that they are going to move out of the way.

Where I am is busy and there is a lot of people clearly not obeying social distancing however it's usually not so hard to avoid those people, the less considerate joggers/runners however you don't have time to do this, also the pace issue means you can't moderate pace to avoid them and due to higher pace one bad runner interacts with a lot more people than a cluster of bad walkers. Add to this the deeper faster breathing and greater amount of droplets I don't see why people shouldn't be annoyed about a significant amount of runners.

Personally I would like on running/jogging to be banned in urban areas between say 9-6, I also think they should actually be enforcing the social distancing rules for other groups, runners aren't the only group clearly being a nuisance but it's like cycling, most cyclists are grand most wear either hi-vis and/or lights at night and obey traffic lights but there is a significant minority that are an absolute pain, getting defensive about people being annoyed at it doesn't change the public's perception.

tom1ie

Melanchthon wrote: »

It's because with people out walking this happens



Where I am is busy and there is a lot of people clearly not obeying social distancing however it's usually not so hard to avoid those people, the less considerate joggers/runners however you don't have time to do this, also the pace issue means you can't moderate pace to avoid them and due to higher pace one bad runner interacts with a lot more people than a cluster of bad walkers. Add to this the deeper faster breathing and greater amount of droplets I don't see why people shouldn't be annoyed about a significant amount of runners.

Personally I would like on running/jogging to be banned in urban areas between say 9-6, I also think they should actually be enforcing the social distancing rules for other groups, runners aren't the only group clearly being a nuisance but it's like cycling, most cyclists are grand most wear either hi-vis and/or lights at night and obey traffic lights but there is a significant minority that are an absolute pain, getting defensive about people being annoyed at it doesn't change the public's perception.

couldn't agree more, people getting defensive when there's clearly a compromise here but they are getting outraged at the idea that they should have their daily regime impacted for the greater good.