Running, Corona Virus and Social Distancing

Laineyfrecks

I have went to comment here many times but decided against it many times!
To say that runners don't want their daily regime distrupted in any way given the current climate is completely ridiculous. There are restrictions in place that we all must follow and therefore already disrupting our routines. Before these restrictions most runners wouldn't train within a 2km radius of their homes for all runs therefore they have changed their routines and rightly so! Also a lot of runners myself included are trying to get out early or later in the evenings to avoid as many people as possible if that suits their routine at home. Even before this pandemic i would never expect people walking to just move out of my way & especially those with prams & children! I have always tried to make a move early enough on, to the grass or road whichever it may be. I have never spit whilst running by somebody, i don't heavily breathe on someone's shoulder...common sense & respect for each other is what's needed mostly at a time like this. Like everyone else at the moment homelife & our working situations are all over the place, there's so much uncertainty and a lot more pressures mentally to deal with all this! Working from home, trying to homeschool our children whilst rationalizing their fears...it's all a lot to take on. I really think people need to be a bit kinder to each other because at the moment exercising is allowed outside so until that changes i for one will continue my running alone & responsibly!

tom1ie

Laineyfrecks wrote: »

I have went to comment here many times but decided against it many times!
To say that runners don't want their daily regime distrupted in any way given the current climate is completely ridiculous. There are restrictions in place that we all must follow and therefore already disrupting our routines. Before these restrictions most runners wouldn't train within a 2km radius of their homes for all runs therefore they have changed their routines and rightly so! Also a lot of runners myself included are trying to get out early or later in the evenings to avoid as many people as possible if that suits their routine at home. Even before this pandemic i would never expect people walking to just move out of my way & especially those with prams & children! I have always tried to make a move early enough on, to the grass or road whichever it may be. I have never spit whilst running by somebody, i don't heavily breathe on someone's shoulder...common sense & respect for each other is what's needed mostly at a time like this. Like everyone else at the moment homelife & our working situations are all over the place, there's so much uncertainty and a lot more pressures mentally to deal with all this! Working from home, trying to homeschool our children whilst rationalizing their fears...it's all a lot to take on. I really think people need to be a bit kinder to each other because at the moment exercising is allowed outside so until that changes i for one will continue my running alone & responsibly!

sorry i didn't mean all runners just some who seem to get very upset over the idea that training indoors or out the back garden (if one was available) might be a better idea.

RacoonQueen

tom1ie wrote: »

the 2km restriction is from your home?

He's a sprinter. 1km to start is a long run, he'd be wrecked. :pac:

RacoonQueen

John_Rambo wrote: »

Same here, but some people don't...



So, to keep up social distancing I am trying to avoid joggers who want to stick to the path.

Not what I was getting at, as you well know. There is an awful common trend with the kind of threads you participate in in this forum John_Rambo. Out of the small number of threads you have participated in on Athletics, this is the third walker -v- runner thread you have posted in on this forum. The mods are well aware of those who appear to be setting out to antagonise the forum regulars, just so you know.

MY BAD

I've noticed in the media that runners or joggers as some of them refer us to are getting a lot of bad press. I guess someone as to be the boogey man

OOnegative

I’ve only met one runner who was a w@nker in my time running and he certainly wasn’t from these parts. Runners who have a half ounce of knowledge of running will make way for people, move over for the family with children whatever you so called experts who wandered in from other forums want to think. Runners regardless of what ye think are decent people, they are mannerly and courteous.

The faith of Covid won’t be down to weather to John or Mary ran past dripping of sweat and looking like a mess. Look at all the gatherings of people in parks since the weather picked up, these are the problems. I seen a WhatsApp video from Sheriff Street yesterday of easy 100 people plus gathered celebrating the good weather or whatever.

Go educate these fools, cause from what I’ve seen on Strava and read here, runners are not the issue of flattening the curve to help Covid turn the corner. The only idiotic thing going on here is non forum regulars spouting absolute tripe like there buddy Gemma O Doherty the other day.

sideswipe

I think people just need to get used to this. Social distancing is not going away until a vaccine is found in 12 to 18 months. There maybe relaxing of restrictions and further lockdowns but the truth is none of us know. But to suggest banning people from running until Covid-19 is ‘over’ doesn’t make much sense. I could however see some restrictions in terms of area or time of day.
Now.... I’m off for my run, all you anti-runner types who only discovered outdoors in the last few weeks have had plenty of time to get out today. Get back on yer couch;)

Chivito550

tom1ie wrote: »

Training at home would be better as it would nip this clash in the bud and still allow people to train.
Everyone’s happy.

I wouldn't be happy. We live in a small one bed apartment with no back garden. And hanging out of doors doing pull ups? Now, of all times, is not the time to be breaking sh1t in the gaf.

manonboard

adrian522 wrote: »

Possibly, but I'll leave it up to the experts to make that judgement, there are huge mental as well as physical benefits to getting outside the house for some exercise.

I wouldn't be ok staying in my home all the time. Its been 6+ weeks plus for me.
My daily run is keeping me sane. If i miss a day or two, im getting far more moody, claustrophobic. I Live in a pretty small place. One room for everything.

I take your point, but its a necessity for some to get out.

manonboard

Chivito550 wrote: »

I wouldn't be happy. We live in a small one bed apartment with no back garden. And hanging out of doors doing pull ups? Now, of all times, is not the time to be breaking sh1t in the gaf.

lol, i bought a in door pull up bar today

Sam Hain

manonboard wrote: »

I wouldn't be ok staying in my home all the time. Its been 6+ weeks plus for me.
My daily run is keeping me sane. If i miss a day or two, im getting far more moody, claustrophobic. I Live in a pretty small place. One room for everything.

I take your point, but its a necessity for some to get out.

I agree with what you say about keeping you sane etc. But it is not a necessity no more than tightrope walking.

Chivito550

Sam Hain wrote: »

I agree with what you say about keeping you sane etc. But it is not a necessity no more than tightrope walking.

Drinking beer is not a necessity yet the government classifies off-licence as essential services.

Melanchthon

Chivito550 wrote: »

Drinking beer is not a necessity yet the government classifies off-licence as essential services.

You want a load of alco's drying out (which can kill if unsupervised) or drinking meths at a time the health system is already under strain

yosser hughes

average_runner wrote: »

Yes :D:D:D

I think the whole thing went over your head

It really didn't but never mind.
I have to laugh at the how seriously some people take themselves and have the cheek to put themselves high up on some hierarchy of runners:D
The self regard these people have is hilarious

ligerdub

tom1ie wrote: »

sure its only the flu :rolleyes:

Quality rebuttal there. My point was that it wasn't this all-infecting illness it has been made out to be. Stupid little retorts like that is no argument at all.

Take the example of the notable cruise ship case, a great example of a confined space where avoiding close quarters with others for extended periods of time is almost impossible. A perfect storm for something to spread.
The infection rate (note.....INFECTION rate) was 1 in 6 people.

tom1ie wrote: »

how do you know this to be the case?
The chances of passing on a virus while running past somebody and several feet away, for the grand total of less than 2 seconds must be miniscule.

If it's not a hugely infectious virus within close environments for a reasonable length of time, then it stands to reason that a brief, almost non-existent length of time spent outdoors, not even that near the other person is not much of a threat.

Perhaps a better question would be how do you think that it IS the case.

Like I say, it's no skin off anyone's nose to keep the distance from people, and it's one I adhere to. However, this social shaming crap is ridiculous, and is all too common these days, particularly for non faux pas.

tom1ie

OOnegative wrote: »

I’ve only met one runner who was a w@nker in my time running and he certainly wasn’t from these parts. Runners who have a half ounce of knowledge of running will make way for people, move over for the family with children whatever you so called experts who wandered in from other forums want to think. Runners regardless of what ye think are decent people, they are mannerly and courteous.

The faith of Covid won’t be down to weather to John or Mary ran past dripping of sweat and looking like a mess. Look at all the gatherings of people in parks since the weather picked up, these are the problems. I seen a WhatsApp video from Sheriff Street yesterday of easy 100 people plus gathered celebrating the good weather or whatever.

Go educate these fools, cause from what I’ve seen on Strava and read here, runners are not the issue of flattening the curve to help Covid turn the corner. The only idiotic thing going on here is non forum regulars spouting absolute tripe like there buddy Gemma O Doherty the other day.

Wow. Just wow

tom1ie

Chivito550 wrote: »

I wouldn't be happy. We live in a small one bed apartment with no back garden. And hanging out of doors doing pull ups? Now, of all times, is not the time to be breaking sh1t in the gaf.

Pop a newspaper beer mats or playing cards under the non hinge side of the door. That supports your weight

Chivito550

Melanchthon wrote: »

You want a load of alco's drying out (which can kill if unsupervised) or drinking meths at a time the health system is already under strain

Ditto mental health issues if you remove running.

Your move.

tom1ie

ligerdub wrote: »

Quality rebuttal there. My point was that it wasn't this all-infecting illness it has been made out to be. Stupid little retorts like that is no argument at all.

Take the example of the notable cruise ship case, a great example of a confined space where avoiding close quarters with others for extended periods of time is almost impossible. A perfect storm for something to spread.
The infection rate (note.....INFECTION rate) was 1 in 6 people.



If it's not a hugely infectious virus within close environments for a reasonable length of time, then it stands to reason that a brief, almost non-existent length of time spent outdoors, not even that near the other person is not much of a threat.

Perhaps a better question would be how do you think that it IS the case.

Like I say, it's no skin off anyone's nose to keep the distance from people, and it's one I adhere to. However, this social shaming crap is ridiculous, and is all too common these days, particularly for non faux pas.

So the front line doctors and nurses getting infected and dying would argue your point about it not being a highly infectious virus in a close environment.

By the way I’d like to say I actually do run (5k) maybe twice a week aswell as body weight workouts and hiit sessions, but since this “half lockdown” I’ve stopped running as I want to reduce my interaction with the public as ya know there’s a pandemic on.

tom1ie

Chivito550 wrote: »

Ditto mental health issues if you remove running.

Your move.

Ah stop now will ya. So if ya can’t run your gonna have a physical reaction and get sick?
Really?

Chivito550

tom1ie wrote: »

Ah stop now will ya. So if ya can’t run your gonna have a physical reaction and get sick?
Really?

Classic Ireland. Running us bad, alcohol is good.

Yes, some people without the ability to run could spiral downwards very badly.

yosser hughes

Chivito550 wrote: »

Classic Ireland. Running us bad, alcohol is good.

Yes, some people without the ability to run could spiral downwards very badly.

Give over ! A tad dramatic no?

skyblue46

yosser hughes wrote: »

Give over ! A tad dramatic no?

Knuckle meet dragger...

tom1ie

Chivito550 wrote: »

Classic Ireland. Running us bad, alcohol is good.

Yes, some people without the ability to run could spiral downwards very badly.

Your are backing a losing argument here chief.
“I can’t run so I’m on a downward spiral”
Seriously! Even though you have the option of getting exercise in your house?

Butterbeans

tom1ie wrote: »

Your are backing a losing argument here chief.
“I can’t run so I’m on a downward spiral”
Seriously! Even though you have the option of getting exercise in your house?

We get it. You exercise in your house. Well done!

robinph

yosser hughes wrote: »

Give over ! A tad dramatic no?

No.

yosser hughes

robinph wrote: »

No.

Yes

tom1ie

Butterbeans wrote: »

We get it. You exercise in your house. Well done!

Cheers. I didn’t think I was being transparent enough!!

yosser hughes

skyblue46 wrote: »

Knuckle meet dragger...

Vacuous nonsense

robinph

yosser hughes wrote: »

Yes

You think that some people falling into very dark places during this lockdown if they are not able to have the release of exercise is not important, despite there being between zero and no risk of infection if someone goes out running solo and meets no-one along the way.

skyblue46

yosser hughes wrote: »

Vacuous nonsense

robinph has given you the courtesy of a reply which in all honesty your ignorance in no way deserves. Try reading it.

Burkie1203

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The CMO yesterday was not impressed with the amount of people running.

That's a bare faced lie.

He was asked and he re enforced the social distancing mantra for anyone. He at no stage said he wasn't impressed.

solidasarock

I am fine with backing off running for a few weeks.

I know I can still go for a run if I wanted too but its clearly annoying a lot of people for perfectly understandable reasons. I am not going to be "that guy" stressing people or risk infecting a old person just going for a walk about the park because I am still trying to get his weekly Km's in.


So far I am just using it as a excuse to do more weights and a bit of yoga. I suck at both.

walshb

Great thread....

Could be up for 2020 year end award.....

ahnowbrowncow

solidasarock wrote: »

I am fine with backing off running for a few weeks.

I know I can still go for a run if I wanted too but its clearly annoying a lot of people for perfectly understandable reasons. I am not going to be "that guy" stressing people or risk infecting a old person just going for a walk about the park because I am still trying to get his weekly Km's in.

So far I am just using it as a excuse to do more weights and a bit of yoga. I suck at both.

I don't understand this. Once you're maintaining social distancing, how are you annoying them? You've as much right to be outside as they do and I don't see any difference in a 30 minute walk and a 30 minute run.

From what I've seen over the past few weeks, if there's a group more likely to not maintain social distancing it's walkers more so than runners.

I've seen multiple people out walking stopping to chat to their neighbours, I've yet to see any runners stop do that. And runners are the ones that I see are moving over to the grass or onto the road to avoid people.

Runners also don't have their kids running all over the place, getting too close to others either or their dogs sh*tting everywhere and not picking it up.

So if there's an old person walking around the park, I don't think runners are the ones they should be most concerned about.

Also, seeing the pictures of traffic jams on motorways, I think people running a few kilometres in their local area are the least of our worries. People always need someone else to blame and b*tch about and at the minute they've chosen ruuners.

Stark

Also "social distancing" is going to last months, not weeks. Hopefully not as strict as current measures for months on end but defintely but normal either.

Sam Quentin

No offense to Runners,. I'm a walker a hill walker when I can etc.. but you have to see and understand you're running mainly on hard surfaces, pounding the rds and your body,. obviously breathing heavy, hence sweating... breathing heavily, sweating, pounding etc,you must realise and understand you're creating much more sweat/water droplets than non runners and knocking them off your body at the same time...can you not just agree to keep your distance(run around) every person that you pass... Is it not as simple as that.
PLEASE.

sideswipe

Sam Quentin wrote: »

No offense to Runners,. I'm a walker a hill walker when I can etc.. but you have to see and understand you're running mainly on hard surfaces, pounding the rds and your body,. obviously breathing heavy, hence sweating... breathing heavily, sweating, pounding etc,you must realise and understand you're creating much more sweat/water droplets than non runners and knocking them off your body at the same time...can you not just agree to keep your distance(run around) every person that you pass... Is it not as simple as that.
PLEASE.

Yes it is that simple, that’s why it’s been said by lots of runners on many occasions throughout this thread.

yosser hughes

skyblue46 wrote: »

robinph has given you the courtesy of a reply which in all honesty your ignorance in no way deserves. Try reading it.

Ignorance? WTF are you talking about:D Suggesting someone could go in to a death spiral just because they can't go for a run temporarily? Yes that's hyperbole and an insult to people with real mental health problems.You don't fall off a cliff overnight. You can adapt just like everyone else is dong instead of looking for loopholes.
There's nothing stopping people from exercising at home, something thousands of people are prepared to do. This fetishising of mental health is despicable.
I won't be lectured on mental health by some narcissist with half baked notions.
I'm well aware of the benefits of exercise but I won't use mental health to justify selfishness.

Sam Quentin

sideswipe wrote: »

Yes it is that simple, that’s why it’s been said about 100 times in this thread.

So it's sorted all's good.
Happy Days :cool:

IvoryTower

It's like every day we have a new wave of Corona Crusaders, I wonder who will stop by tomorrow

sideswipe

Sam Quentin wrote: »

So it's sorted all's good.
Happy Days :cool:

Yep all sorted......nothing to see here folks, move along now.

Stark

Sam Quentin wrote: »

hard surfaces, pounding the rds and your body,. obviously breathing heavy, hence sweating... breathing heavily, sweating, pounding

Sexy

Murph_D

Stark wrote: »

Sexy

I did find that phrasing - and repetition - a bit odd too. These lads are really getting riled up.

Singer

Sam Quentin wrote: »

No offense to Runners,. I'm a walker a hill walker when I can etc.. but you have to see and understand you're running mainly on hard surfaces, pounding the rds and your body,. obviously breathing heavy, hence sweating... breathing heavily, sweating, pounding etc,you must realise and understand you're creating much more sweat/water droplets than non runners and knocking them off your body at the same time...can you not just agree to keep your distance(run around) every person that you pass... Is it not as simple as that.
PLEASE.

I keep my distance, but FYI sweat doesn't transmit the virus. Stay safe!

CCR

The Covid has created a few groups (and obnoxious opinions of them) by the looks of it.
1. Im a runner, I've always been a runner, where were you when.........
2. I run but in this case I'll avoid busy areas (doesn't train hard enough)
3. Other sport person running to keep fit (wears non runner appropriate clothing)
4. People taking this as opportunity to start running (wonder how long it'll last)
5. Pedestrians (get off the footpath, runner coming through)

Just get over yourselves, be polite and accept that people are worried.

John_Rambo

CCR wrote: »

The Covid has created a few groups (and obnoxious opinions of them) by the looks of it.
1. Im a runner, I've always been a runner, where were you when.........
2. I run but in this case I'll avoid busy areas (doesn't train hard enough)
3. Other sport person running to keep fit (wears non runner appropriate clothing)
4. People taking this as opportunity to start running (wonder how long it'll last)
5. Pedestrians (get off the footpath, runner coming through)

Just get over yourselves, be polite and accept that people are worried.

Ha!! Me... can't do my own sport as if anything went wrong it would pull emergency services away from the hard work their doing at the moment. My eight year old son has decided he wants to run so we're doing 3k a day in a deserted field.

Both of us not attired in the latest appropriate clothing and the little feicer has beaten me twice and wants to increase the distance :eek:

Wish I had my kids in my twenties. I'm pretending we can't do further distance to maintain my dignity. He's loving it.

stockshares

Singer wrote: »

I keep my distance, but FYI sweat doesn't transmit the virus. Stay safe!

They don't know that yet.

They are not sure about Breathing either. Fauci has said it might be possible for the virus to suspend in the fine mist(aerosol) of a breath especially heavy breathing

robinph

yosser hughes wrote: »

Ignorance? WTF are you talking about:D Suggesting someone could go in to a death spiral just because they can't go for a run temporarily? Yes that's hyperbole and an insult to people with real mental health problems.You don't fall off a cliff overnight. You can adapt just like everyone else is dong instead of looking for loopholes.
There's nothing stopping people from exercising at home, something thousands of people are prepared to do. This fetishising of mental health is despicable.
I won't be lectured on mental health by some narcissist with half baked notions.
I'm well aware of the benefits of exercise but I won't use mental health to justify selfishness.

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

It might be the case that the lack of being able to go out for a run isn't considered that vital even to someone struggling with mental health issues that they would mention it as an issue with it being taken away from them. But it is going to be one of the additional straws that are added onto the weight that the camel with the dodgy spine is carrying for them. That camel has been looking very unstable recently.

Anyone already struggling with mental health issues has almost certainly very suddenly found themselves cut off from their support network of family, friends and maybe other medical services and are now in a strange an stressful situation.

I'm very lucky to have multiple indoor exercise options with treadmill and bike, but I also have a deserted dual carriageway within half a mile of my front door and no local restrictions on distance or duration that I can exercise (yet) so I will continue to make use of the option to run outside and see nobody while doing so.

You have no idea what anyone else is going through regardless of the current virus related issues. If a bit of a run outside whilst socially distanced from everyone else is enough to keep someone from tipping over the edge then that's what they need.

This is a very long situation that we all have to get through and it may be just a bit of a run will make the difference for getting through to the other side for some people.

Melanchthon

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I don't understand this. Once you're maintaining social distancing, how are you annoying them? You've as much right to be outside as they do and I don't see any difference in a 30 minute walk and a 30 minute run.

There is a difference a runner for 30mins passes considerably more people than somebody walking for 30mins because they have to pass a lot of people going the same way as them where a walker generally doesn't, the runner is also harder to avoid.

robinph wrote: »

You think that some people falling into very dark places during this lockdown if they are not able to have the release of exercise is not important, despite there being between zero and no risk of infection if someone goes out running solo and meets no-one along the way.

Nobody would give a sh-t about runners if the meet no-one along the way, runners aren't normally a target of anger and serious annoyance.
Would you be ok with running on pavements being banned between 9am to 6pm, that way they won't be meeting anybody.

Do the posters here really think that all the runners are constant running on the road in the more built up areas of Dublin where the footpaths are only 2m wide or so in general.

Chivito550 wrote: »

Ditto mental health issues if you remove running.

Your move.

Why don't you run up and down the residential street your on (if your not bang in a city center) your getting your run in then or is it actually about your routine and usual routes being disrupted while the country is lockdown, hundred of thousands are loosing their jobs because of these restrictions and people are dying from a worldwide epidemic. This is basically an unprecedented level of civil restrictions.
This also applies to Robinph.