Practicalities concerning optional activities

KiKi III

I arrived back in Ireland last night from abroad and as such have been asked to restrict my movements for two weeks.

I'm happy to comply of course, but I have no food in my house and no one I could ask to drop it in (no family nearby, or friends with cars). My nearest Tesco says they can't deliver to me for over a week.

There is a small supermarket approximately 200 metres from my house - a local Spar. I don't see another option other than to go down there and stock up for the duration?

It'll take me about 10 minutes and I won't have an extended interaction with anyone. Is this allowed for under the term 'restricted movement'.

I did not come from a high-risk country, just for context, and used hand sanitizer every hour or so on the plane as well as handwashing.

_Brian

Nope.
Call the hse helpline or even your local Garda station and you should be sorted out.

Don’t be going out in the general public, you’ve specifically been told not to.

Maybe try here

https://covidcommunityresponse.ie/

paddythere

If you need food then you have to go but adhere to the usual sanitary precautions. Maybe try going at 7 am to avoid people as much as is possible.

spurious

Lots of people all over the country who will help out.
See https://randall.ie/help/

deathbomber

KiKi III wrote: »

I arrived back in Ireland last night from abroad and as such have been asked to restrict my movements for two weeks.

I'm happy to comply of course, but I have no food in my house and no one I could ask to drop it in (no family nearby, or friends with cars). My nearest Tesco says they can't deliver to me for over a week.

There is a small supermarket approximately 200 metres from my house - a local Spar. I don't see another option other than to go down there and stock up for the duration?

It'll take me about 10 minutes and I won't have an extended interaction with anyone. Is this allowed for under the term 'restricted movement'.

I did not come from a high-risk country, just for context, and used hand sanitizer every hour or so on the plane as well as handwashing.

online shopping if possible, technically you should not go. Call the helpline, only go if a last resort

lazeedaisy

Phone the supermarket, place your order over the phone, pay by card, ask them to drop it off, no interaction,

You should not go out, it's not for your safety, it's for others, be responsible

KiKi III

_Brian wrote: »

Nope.
Call the hse helpline or even your local Garda station and you should be sorted out.

Don’t be going out in the general public, you’ve specifically been told not to.

Maybe try here

https://covidcommunityresponse.ie/

But does "restricted movement" actually mean "don't go outside at all" or does it mean "no unnecessary trips outside"? That's what I'm confused about.

_Brian

Are you in self isolation or restricted movements.

If the latter that’s different.

My understanding is people are being asked to self isolate when returning from abroad.

This is it

As above, plenty of people who will help, there's no need for you to go anywhere.

krissovo

Its quite clear the guidelines for restricted movement:

• Do not go to school, college or work.
  
• Do not use public transport.
  
• Do not go to meetings, social gatherings, group events or crowded places.
  
• Do not have visitors at your home.
  
• Do not go shopping - where possible, order your groceries online or have some family or friends drop them off.
  
• Keep away from older people, anyone with long-term medical conditions and pregnant women.
  
• Do not travel outside or within Ireland.

Riskymove

The advice is pretty clear OP

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Do not go shopping - where possible, order your groceries online or have some family or friends drop them off.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/self-isolation-and-limited-social-interaction.html

can you get anyone at all to do this for you?

KiKi III

_Brian wrote: »

Are you in self isolation or restricted movements.

If the latter that’s different.

My understanding is people are being asked to self isolate when returning from abroad.

No, it's "restricted movement" for someone like myself who did not come from a high-risk area and has no symptoms.

To me, the guidelines are a little ambiguous. They say "where possible" order groceries online etc. They don't say what to do if that's not possible?

krissovo

H8GHOTI wrote: »

“Restrict my movements” is not the same as self isolate. I don’t see the problem in nipping down to the shop. If you have arrived from a country that isn’t listed as high risk and you have no symptoms, you’re about as likely to have the virus as anyone else who has been mixing with people at work etc. in this country.

Just keep your distance from people and as you say you’ll only be 10 minutes.

Really?

MarkR

KiKi III wrote: »

No, it's "restricted movement" for someone like myself who did not come from a high-risk area and has no symptoms.

To me, the guidelines are a little ambiguous. They say "where possible" order groceries online etc. They don't say what to do if that's not possible?

Not possible, or not convenient? Ring your local shop. Give them your order. Pay over the phone, and get it delivered. Safe for you, safer for your community. Where are you based?

krissovo

KiKi III wrote: »

To me, the guidelines are a little ambiguous. They say "where possible" order groceries online etc. They don't say what to do if that's not possible?

There are plenty of local community groups who are advertising on facebook to support people like you. I have 3 or 4 in my village, most GAA clubs also have volunteers for these activities. There will be something, aslo ring the shop. I would be surprised if they would not deliver as its 200m away.

Pistachios & cream

Where possible means if you absolutely have to then you can. However this should only be done after you have exhausted all other means. OP you have been given plenty of links to community help though it might take a couple of hours. If you have absolutely nothing then ring the spar and explain your situation, I’m sure they will help.

KiKi III

MarkR wrote: »

Not possible, or not convenient? Ring your local shop. Give them your order. Pay over the phone, and get it delivered. Safe for you, safer for your community. Where are you based?

The only shop in my community that delivers is Tesco and they say the soonest they can deliver is March 29.

KiKi III

Pistachios & cream wrote: »

Where possible means if you absolutely have to then you can. However this should only be done after you have exhausted all other means. OP you have been given plenty of links to community help though it might take a couple of hours. If you have absolutely nothing then ring the spar and explain your situation, I’m sure they will help.

I'm looking into all options for getting it delivered as a first port of call.

spurious

Did you look at the link? The country is covered with people offering to help.

https://randall.ie/help/

KiKi III

spurious wrote: »

Did you look at the link? The country is covered with people offering to help.

https://randall.ie/help/

I did. I'll get in touch with them as a last resort.

H8GHOTI

krissovo wrote: »

Really?

I was typing that before the other posts appeared. I deleted it then. That advice changed since I last read it.

If they can ring ahead, pay over the phone etc.. great. They already tried Tesco and have to wait a week. If this Spar can’t deliver, I really don’t see the problem in going to get food.

Are the volunteers that are out about shopping for everyone a lower risk than the OP?

If the OP has no symptoms, keeps their distance from everyone and the contact is less than 15 minutes then I think it should be ok.

And the official guidelines say “where possible”.

Wibbs

lazeedaisy wrote: »

You should not go out, it's not for your safety, it's for others, be responsible

I'd say they are being already. Many, if not most, wouldn't even ask the question and just go to the shops.

amadangomor

KiKi III wrote: »

I did. I'll get in touch with them as a last resort.

Why as a last resort? People are offering help, why would you not take them up on it?

biko

Don't be the "sure, it'll only take two minutes" guy.
Be the "I care about others" guy.

Self isolation is tough enough without worrying about food. Would you contact some of the links suggested Kiki? It would be better than going outside. There are lots of people and organisations who can help because there are many people in your position.

I'd go anyway,if it was me

No point in being hungry....your not exactly planning on going hugging ould wans down the shop (i hope)

Every shop has the 6ft rule and barriers up at this stage...bit of commonsense wouldnt go amiss either

They even allow people in italy out to buy food

HeidiHeidi

But if he/she doesn't have to, then why do it.

People need to change their mindset from "why can't I?" to "why would I?"

And fairly sharpish.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd go anyway,if it was me

No point in being hungry....your not exactly planning on going hugging ould wans down the shop (i hope)

Every shop has the 6ft rule and barriers up at this stage...bit of commonsense wouldnt go amiss either

They even allow people in italy out to buy food

There are lots of people who can help. There is no need for anyone who has to self isolate to go to the shop.

Look at this

two wheels good

KiKi III wrote: »

I did. I'll get in touch with them as a last resort.

There are so many volunteers available. Honestly. The web and radio programmes have been inundated with offers in recent days.
Find a shop to take the order and pay over the phone. You'll have no trouble getting a generous citizen to collect and drop it outside your door.
SuperValu and Centra were advertising, or you local corner shop.

BTW Well done for being so conscientious. I've seen too many people being blasé with the social-distancing advice.

kjt

Hey there,
Are you in/close to Dublin? If so I can do a shop for you tomorrow and drop it off at your door?
(if you're further out I'm sure somebody else here will be so kind as to offer?)

https://www.tesco.ie/clickandcollect/ could be an option but if not I can do it.

Somebody suggested the Garda, I think this is a nice easy one that people here on boards can sort out. No need to be wasting a Garda car on something like this.

antimatterx

Hi

I'm not sick, and I also don't have any symptoms of Covid-19. No one in my family does either. I'm working from home as my company is gone 100% remote. I'm cracking up inside all day so in the evening I go for a Run, and also walk my dog.

Is this OK to do?

spurious

Yes, as long as you stay 2 metres from anyone you meet.

KiKi III

kjt wrote: »

Hey there,
Are you in/close to Dublin? If so I can do a shop for you tomorrow and drop it off at your door?
(if you're further out I'm sure somebody else here will be so kind as to offer?)

https://www.tesco.ie/clickandcollect/ could be an option but if not I can do it.

Somebody suggested the Garda, I think this is a nice easy one that people here on boards can sort out. No need to be wasting a Garda car on something like this.

Thanks so much and also thanks to the two people who PMd offering help!

I am sorted now

Boards to the rescue!

biko

No problem walking outside as long as you keep distance to other people.
In fact, you definitely need to get out a bit every day or go nuts

Just be mindful of touching things, use gloves or something as a barrier between you and objects.



Edit
Since this was merged with a "can I go to shops" thread, don't go to shops but it's ok to go outside.

jrosen

Yes, we have been out for as much as possible every single day. We stay away from people. Dont stop to chat to those we usually would.

kjt

Brilliant, I am delighted you got sorted. :-)

Thanks for taking this so seriously and respecting the people who need to work through this!

Stay safe!



(To all the people in the thread that said 'Ah yea, sure go for it'. You need to cop on. The Gov needs to step up like they did last Thursday, next step is needed NOW - We need to go into lock down for at least a week. We need to help nurses & docs make it through this. We're not going to see how bad this is for another 7-9days and the hospitals are already getting busy.)

Gonad

Also looking for some advice . Kids grandmother is alone the last few weeks .

My missus is thinking of going to get her to bring her to our home . There is me the missus and kids here . None of us showing any symptoms . I think it is too risky and a bad idea for granny but at same time I understand how hard it is for granny all alone the last 2 weeks and possibly for god knows how long .

My missus wants to go collect her and says she might as well self isolate with her and our kids here with us .

I think it’s a bad idea even if nobody showing symptoms . What do you think ?

Pawwed Rig

While out keep the hands away from the face and give them a good scrub when you get back home before you touch anything.
I was out for a run early this morning with very few people about and am taking the kids out now to burn off some energy (again there will not be too many people about).

Gaz

We are in the same boat but you could pick it up when you go to the shops (community transmission is on the rise) and then pass it on to granny. Being an older person she is then at serious risk.

Just not worth it.

Harry Palmr

Gonad wrote: »

Also looking for some advice . Kids grandmother is alone the last few weeks .

My missus is thinking of going to get her to bring her to our home . There is me the missus and kids here . None of us showing any symptoms . I think it is too risky and a bad idea for granny but at same time I understand how hard it is for granny all alone the last 2 weeks and possibly for god knows how long .

My missus wants to go collect her and says she might as well self isolate with her and our kids here with us .

I think it’s a bad idea even if nobody showing symptoms . What do you think ?

Not a good idea unfortunately because even if you all pass two weeks with no symptoms at some point one of you will be going out to shop etc and then you may bring it back with you. The only way it could work is if she is 100% isolated within the house which is probably worse than being on her own psychologically - knowing life was happening just beyond the door.

A better solution is to visit Granny directly (DO NOT PASS GO DO NOT COLLECT VIRUS) and socialise outside in the garden at a safe distance.

BohsCeltic

Gonad wrote: »

Also looking for some advice . Kids grandmother is alone the last few weeks .

My missus is thinking of going to get her to bring her to our home . There is me the missus and kids here . None of us showing any symptoms . I think it is too risky and a bad idea for granny but at same time I understand how hard it is for granny all alone the last 2 weeks and possibly for god knows how long .

My missus wants to go collect her and says she might as well self isolate with her and our kids here with us .

I think it’s a bad idea even if nobody showing symptoms . What do you think ?

I wouldn't risk it. My Mother hasn't seen my nephews in a while, either have i as my Mother stays with me and is in the high risk category so taking no chances.
I let my Mother use my laptop or phone to video call on messenger. You could maybe call up and stand at a distance from them outside the garden.

Even my Sister will not come into my home. Some may think a bit over the top but this is a serious thing.

krissovo

Gonad wrote: »

Also looking for some advice . Kids grandmother is alone the last few weeks .

My missus is thinking of going to get her to bring her to our home . There is me the missus and kids here . None of us showing any symptoms . I think it is too risky and a bad idea for granny but at same time I understand how hard it is for granny all alone the last 2 weeks and possibly for god knows how long .

My missus wants to go collect her and says she might as well self isolate with her and our kids here with us .

I think it’s a bad idea even if nobody showing symptoms . What do you think ?

Tough call to make and only you as a family can make it. Personally the grandparents are off limits in our house for now. I did buy my dad a 2nd hand ipad so the kids have a video call for an hour a day and we call in the evening for some engagement, he only had a non smart phone until last week.

I dropped shopping off to my mother in law yesterday and she was quite desperate for contact but we spoke for a bit through the conservatory. She has a smart phone and her church group has a whatsapp group to stay in touch.

Beasty

Threads merged - it is getting pretty ridiculous the number of threads we are getting covering similar topics, all of which have been covered in the megathreads repeatedly, and all of which have received extensive coverage in the media as well as official sources

antimatterx

antimatterx wrote: »

Hi

I'm not sick, and I also don't have any symptoms of Covid-19. No one in my family does either. I'm working from home as my company is gone 100% remote. I'm cracking up inside all day so in the evening I go for a Run, and also walk my dog.

Is this OK to do?

I posted this as it's own thread. The conversation is v confusing looking

I see mixed opinions on this.

I’m of the opinion that there is no point in closing schools, pubs, shops, working from home etc if we simply continue to be out and about.

Glendalough was packed the other day. Many parks and beaches are the same. My area has kids out playing and teenagers hanging around. Adults out walking and stopping for a chat.

It seems like almost the opposite to what our leaders and experts are asking of us.

If everyone in the country goes for a walk today, what’s the point in closing and so many losing their jobs?

What do you think?

ILoveYourVibes

Its fine to be outdoors ....keep 2meters distance from people and don't stay around them longer than 15 mins. (my mom added the last 15 min part in the hse hasn't said it)

They posted on RTE about people doing out door workouts on their streets etc.

And places are opening social distancing markets.

You catch it from coming into close contact with people. You don't catch it from the great outdoors. In fact its probably going to boost your immune system.

Avoid crowds. Avoid communal areas that people touch.

Wibbs

outdoors is less risky for spread compared to offices, pubs and public transport, but yeah driving around yesterday I saw a fair number of groups of people with no distance between them. A neighbour of mine who would be in her 80's has had a near constant stream of her family going in and out. Boggles the mind.

storker

Deleted User wrote: »

I see mixed opinions on this.

I’m of the opinion that there is no point in closing schools, pubs, shops, working from home etc if we simply continue to be out and about.

Glendalough was packed the other day. Many parks and beaches are the same. My area has kids out playing and teenagers hanging around. Adults out walking and stopping for a chat.

It seems like almost the opposite to what our leaders and experts are asking of us.

If everyone in the country goes for a walk today, what’s the point in closing and so many losing their jobs?

What do you think?

The problem, as I understand it, is people packed close together indoors. Glendalough is in the open air so shouldn't be a problem if people are maintaining a 2 metre distance. A family doesn't need to maintain this distance since they are all living in close proximity anyway. So as long as you have families, individuals and couples maintaining their 2m distance from other families, individuals and couples, they should be OK. The area around Glendalough is big enough to support a lot of people doing this. What they shouldn't be doing, though, is popping into the hotel for lunch.

Beasty

Thread merged

paddythere

Currently, on my street there is a gathering of about 6-8 neighbours standing around chatting...all female....for the last 45 minutes.

My mother is going crazy after only 5 days of this.

My girlfriend went to the supermarket 3 times yesterday despite my pleas.

Why can't women just sit the **** down and enjoy chilling out?