Is it just me or have SF vanished?

markodaly

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It's almost like David Cullinane knows all & sees all - unfortunately only ever after the fact

The retort to any bull$hit mouthed off by SF is this, if you know all the answers, then why did you did you not do these things in the North where you are in government.

markodaly

Im sure our perpetual SF advocates who just want to keep our government in 'check' will want Mr Murphy MLA to clear up this confusion once and for all.

The DUP is demanding that Conor Murphy release all correspondence relating to a PPE joint order with Dublin that the Republic's Health Minister says was never placed.

Or maybe we will expect something like this.

Bishop of hope

blanch152 wrote: »

Not if young Conor was spoofing.

Well for the last while the lads on here have been saying SF couldn't be held responsible for how the virus was handled north of the border, but if it turns out the health minister was responsible for ppe procurment and was fibbing about orders then that would be a serious matter.
He obviously had some control of the budget at least, if not the actual policies.

Hubertj

markodaly wrote: »

Im sure our perpetual SF advocates who just want to keep our government in 'check' will want Mr Murphy MLA to clear up this confusion once and for all.



Or maybe we will expect something like this.

I thought the joint order for PPE meant that SF “supporters” would steal it south of the border and deliver up north.

Bishop of hope

Hubertj wrote: »

I thought the joint order for PPE meant that SF “supporters” would steal it south of the border and deliver up north.

That's where all the toilet roll went;)

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Im sure our perpetual SF advocates who just want to keep our government in 'check' will want Mr Murphy MLA to clear up this confusion once and for all.



Or maybe we will expect something like this.

I thought this had been cleared up at committee already with the UUP and others happy.

Hard to know if it is the just DUP acting the maggot again.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I thought this had been cleared up at committee already with the UUP and others happy.

Hard to know if it is the just DUP acting the maggot again.

Would you agree that there should be full transparency on this and all emails should be handed over?

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

Would you agree that there should be full transparency on this and all emails should be handed over?

Absolutely...but I thought everyone was happy when the executive committee sat to inquire.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Absolutely...but I thought everyone was happy when the executive committee sat to inquire.

I think the issue is that Murphy claimed the deal was hijacked by India and the US but it now seems the order never existed in the first place.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

I think the issue is that Murphy claimed the deal was hijacked by India and the US but it now seems the order never existed in the first place.

Did he not tell the inquiry that? That the order could not be completed?

If Harris says that he was 'not aware of an order' he would be right...because it was 'never completed'.

Mr Murphy on March 27th said a “very significant” PPE order from China had been jointly placed with the Irish Government. However, he clarified last Friday that it had been “agreed that orders would be placed through North-South collaboration” on March 27th but that the presence of major players in the market such as the US and India had meant the order could not be completed.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did he not tell the inquiry that? That the order could not be completed?

If Harris says that he was 'not aware of an order' he would be right...because it was 'never completed'.

It seems the process never even started which obviously not what he said in the committee and given the missing emails it looks fishy.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did he not tell the inquiry that? That the order could not be completed?

If Harris says that he was 'not aware of an order' he would be right...because it was 'never completed'.

An incomplete order is still an order but there was no order according to Harris.

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

An incomplete order is still an order but there was no order according to Harris.

Harris said 'he was not aware of an order'.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Harris said 'he was not aware of an order'.

So Conor Murphy needs to clear this up by showing all the paperwork and emails involved.

If an order was made there is bound to be an apologetic email from the supplier informing him of the supply issues.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Harris said 'he was not aware of an order'.

Not the order they're looking for, it's the traceable evidence that their was even an effort made to make one.

blanch152

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Not the order they're looking for, it's the traceable evidence that their was even an effort made to make one.

It was desperate spoofing by Murphy trying to show something was being done when the reality was he was asleep on the job.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

It was desperate spoofing by Murphy trying to show something was being done when the reality was he was asleep on the job.

I don't know why anyone would seek to score points on something like this which may have been the cause of someone getting vivid because of a lack of protection. Why did Murphy claim this and did FG refuse to help them just because SF asked? I hope GF would not stoop that low.

Townton

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Not the order they're looking for, it's the traceable evidence that their was even an effort made to make one.

Is this really an issue? If there had been a joint order made there would be a high possibility of the RAF delivering it and the RLC/BA (could also be the irish army but not enough small minded people to make an issue of that if it were the case) distributing it, which would send SF into a tail spin. Like when the suggestion of the BA delivering life saving equipment was raised not to long ago. Its all show boating by SF, and they aren't actually interested in the practical element of an all island coordination.

jm08

Townton wrote: »

Is this really an issue? If there had been a joint order made there would be a high possibility of the RAF delivering it and the RLC/BA (could also be the irish army but not enough small minded people to make an issue of that if it were the case) distributing it, which would send SF into a tail spin. Like when the suggestion of the BA delivering life saving equipment was raised not to long ago. Its all show boating by SF, and they aren't actually interested in the practical element of an all island coordination.

The RAF would not have been flying in PPE from China to Ireland. Why would the RAF be used when Ireland is the world's capital for airline leasing and indeed one of the leasing companies was raising money to bring in PPE to Ireland along with Bono and that fellow from Cork who is known in the States as Mr China.


I thing it was the transport companies who kicked up most fuss about using BA transport when they were all lying idle in their garages, but my, if you think bringing in the BA to do a job that they were not needed to do, then you are clueless. Likewise it would have been insensitive to the unionist community to have Irish Army trucks deliver PPE to NI.

blanch152

jm08 wrote: »

The RAF would not have been flying in PPE from China to Ireland. Why would the RAF be used when Ireland is the world's capital for airline leasing and indeed one of the leasing companies was raising money to bring in PPE to Ireland along with Bono and that fellow from Cork who is known in the States as Mr China.


I thing it was the transport companies who kicked up most fuss about using BA transport when they were all lying idle in their garages, but my, if you think bringing in the BA to do a job that they were not needed to do, then you are clueless. Likewise it would have been insensitive to the unionist community to have Irish Army trucks deliver PPE to NI.

If the bit in bold is true, it shows up how stupid both sides of the community are in Northern Ireland. We have already had the Shinners up there preferring that people would die rather than be helped by the British Army, if the unionists were to join them in similar umbrage, it would show how silly the whole thing is.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

If the bit in bold is true, it shows up how stupid both sides of the community are in Northern Ireland. We have already had the Shinners up there preferring that people would die rather than be helped by the British Army, if the unionists were to join them in similar umbrage, it would show how silly the whole thing is.

An out and out scurrilous lie there blanch.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

If the bit in bold is true, it shows up how stupid both sides of the community are in Northern Ireland. We have already had the Shinners up there preferring that people would die rather than be helped by the British Army, if the unionists were to join them in similar umbrage, it would show how silly the whole thing is.

There was no need to bring in BA trucks from GB when there is a whole fleet of commercial trucks local and who needed work. People were not going to die because of a lack of transport for PPE.

FrancieBrady

jm08 wrote: »

There was no need to bring in BA trucks from GB when there is a whole fleet of commercial trucks local and who needed work. People were not going to die because of a lack of transport for PPE.

Blanch is just engaging in spreading his bitter drivel.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/04/15/news/michelle-o-neill-won-t-stand-in-way-of-british-army-coronavirus-help-1903719/

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

An out and out scurrilous lie there blanch.

An out and out scurrilous lie would mean that there is no evidence to support it. However...........


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/it-s-sinn-f%C3%A9in-against-the-rest-ni-executive-in-conflict-over-coronavirus-1.4218130

"Minister for Health Robin Swann has stated that if needed he would bring in the British army and the Irish Army to assist, if that would help. However, Sinn Féin is absolutely opposed to the British army having any role."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-nireland/sinn-fein-protests-coronavirus-call-for-british-military-help-in-northern-ireland-idUSKCN21T0SW

"Irish nationalist party Sinn Fein expressed concern on Saturday over a request by Northern Ireland’s health minister for British military assistance in response to the coronavirus, saying it had raised the sensitive issue with the British government."


https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-sinn-fein-claims-were-coping-it-rejects-army-help-2536875#gsc.tab=0

"Nevertheless, Ms O’Neill – who just over a week ago publicly attacked Mr Swann for being “too slow” in dealing with the pandemic – emerged on Saturday to criticise Mr Swann for essentially now being too fast in moving to call in the Army."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0411/1129983-sinn-fein-criticise-call-for-covid-19-help-from-army/

"Sinn Féin has criticised a decision by the Stormont Health Minister to formally request assistance from the British Army to help deal with the coronavirus crisis."

You might apologise for your baseless accusation.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

An out and out scurrilous lie would mean that there is no evidence to support it. However...........


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/it-s-sinn-f%C3%A9in-against-the-rest-ni-executive-in-conflict-over-coronavirus-1.4218130

"Minister for Health Robin Swann has stated that if needed he would bring in the British army and the Irish Army to assist, if that would help. However, Sinn Féin is absolutely opposed to the British army having any role."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-nireland/sinn-fein-protests-coronavirus-call-for-british-military-help-in-northern-ireland-idUSKCN21T0SW

"Irish nationalist party Sinn Fein expressed concern on Saturday over a request by Northern Ireland’s health minister for British military assistance in response to the coronavirus, saying it had raised the sensitive issue with the British government."


https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-sinn-fein-claims-were-coping-it-rejects-army-help-2536875#gsc.tab=0

"Nevertheless, Ms O’Neill – who just over a week ago publicly attacked Mr Swann for being “too slow” in dealing with the pandemic – emerged on Saturday to criticise Mr Swann for essentially now being too fast in moving to call in the Army."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0411/1129983-sinn-fein-criticise-call-for-covid-19-help-from-army/

"Sinn Féin has criticised a decision by the Stormont Health Minister to formally request assistance from the British Army to help deal with the coronavirus crisis."

You might apologise for your baseless accusation.

You might demonstrate where any of the above means this:

the Shinners up there preferring that people would die rather than be helped by the British Army,

You are a scurrilously and dangerously spinning the truth blanch. Fairly typical of you tbh.

Townton

jm08 wrote: »

The RAF would not have been flying in PPE from China to Ireland. Why would the RAF be used when Ireland is the world's capital for airline leasing and indeed one of the leasing companies was raising money to bring in PPE to Ireland along with Bono and that fellow from Cork who is known in the States as Mr China.


I thing it was the transport companies who kicked up most fuss about using BA transport when they were all lying idle in their garages, but my, if you think bringing in the BA to do a job that they were not needed to do, then you are clueless. Likewise it would have been insensitive to the unionist community to have Irish Army trucks deliver PPE to NI.

RAF has been delivering PPE for other parts of the UK. One of the main limitation of the irish gov at the moment is the lack of a military air lift capacity hence the direction recently to the Defence Forces to look into trying to purchase such a capacity by maybe getting some c130s. As for the use of the defence force a unionist minister has said if they could help he would welcome them. SF on the other hand playing the usually crap. You want a one island approach then act like it and accept how that will work which if there is a second spike and things get bad would mean working with then British military. Personally I would be happy to see that. But still lots of small minds out there even though it is 2020.

jm08

Townton wrote: »

RAF has been delivering PPE for other parts of the UK. One of the main limitation of the irish gov at the moment is the lack of a military air lift capacity hence the direction recently to the Defence Forces to look into trying to purchase such a capacity by maybe getting some c130s. As for the use of the defence force a unionist minister has said if they could help he would welcome them. SF on the other hand playing the usually crap. You want a one island approach then act like it and accept how that will work which if there is a second spike and things get bad would mean working with then British military. Personally I would be happy to see that. But still lots of small minds out there even though it is 2020.

Wasn't the issue about some troops being stuck in the Lebanon because they had no transport back?. Those C130s planes wouldn't have had the range to fly to China anyway (I believe the RAF used them to go to Turkey and they probably had to stop off in some British airbases to even make that trip).

From my recollection of what happened - the unionist minister sounded panicked and wanted to get the army to build a hospital like the one in London (that wasn't used) way too early.

The British military were not necessary, so the right decision was made. As you will note there were plenty of complaints from transport companies in Northern Ireland that were willing and able to provide transport.

Logicistally, it would have been easier to fly PPE directly from China into Dublin and distribute by road from there. What was happening was that it was going to a distribution centre in London by plane and then either put on another plane or sent by road to Northern Ireland - all adding a couple of days of getting the PPE to them.

imme

The North /South dynamic has changed a great deal post Gerry.
There was always a 'we are a one island party' whereas they were in effect 2 parties, one North and one South.

In the southern media SF has gone very quiet on rubbishing Northern Ireland, a thing they used to do a lot, I suppose if you're in power in a place you can't be rubbishing the place.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

An out and out scurrilous lie would mean that there is no evidence to support it. However...........


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/it-s-sinn-f%C3%A9in-against-the-rest-ni-executive-in-conflict-over-coronavirus-1.4218130

"Minister for Health Robin Swann has stated that if needed he would bring in the British army and the Irish Army to assist, if that would help. However, Sinn Féin is absolutely opposed to the British army having any role."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-nireland/sinn-fein-protests-coronavirus-call-for-british-military-help-in-northern-ireland-idUSKCN21T0SW

"Irish nationalist party Sinn Fein expressed concern on Saturday over a request by Northern Ireland’s health minister for British military assistance in response to the coronavirus, saying it had raised the sensitive issue with the British government."


https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-sinn-fein-claims-were-coping-it-rejects-army-help-2536875#gsc.tab=0

"Nevertheless, Ms O’Neill – who just over a week ago publicly attacked Mr Swann for being “too slow” in dealing with the pandemic – emerged on Saturday to criticise Mr Swann for essentially now being too fast in moving to call in the Army."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0411/1129983-sinn-fein-criticise-call-for-covid-19-help-from-army/

"Sinn Féin has criticised a decision by the Stormont Health Minister to formally request assistance from the British Army to help deal with the coronavirus crisis."

You might apologise for your baseless accusation.

So Blanch, I see the infamous PPE has eventually arrived in Northern Ireland just now from China, which seems to have taken since March for NI to organise. I hope no one died in NI because Simon Harris/Irish officials refused to help them source PPE, bearing in mind that we all know that the British Government couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery when it comes to Covid-19.

markodaly

jh79 wrote: »

I think the issue is that Murphy claimed the deal was hijacked by India and the US but it now seems the order never existed in the first place.

Another disappearing act by SF. Nothing really new so..