Is it just me or have SF vanished?

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah it seems like you may have some issues with delusional thinking, this can be a serious problem, I would recommend some professional advice, just encase.

Capatalism certainly is an astonishing thing, it has truly transferred the world, for the better, but it has taken a very dark turn over the last few decades, it's lost its way, I suspect we ll be forced to change its course, hopefully it's not too late, hopefully not too many will die for this dark turn, the free market isn't exactly as free as you think, a lot of its activities are parasitic and predatory, living off us and slowly killing us all, including the wealthy. Be careful what you wish for!

I agree on the last bit. Corporatisms/cronyism is as evil as socialism. And America has it’s fair share of problems with that.
But in Ireland the sponger attitude is the much bigger issue.

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Where do you think money comes from within the capatalist system?

Money creation by banks/loans.
That only works if it is backed by productive assets though. Otherwise you end up like Argentina/Venezuela.

Leroy42

J_1980 wrote: »

You need a strong economy to fund a well equipped military (like the US does). France and Spain als have a military, probably horribly underfunded and defunct.

The economy is EVERYTHING. A strong response is only possible if you have genuine believe in the economy of your country (and the there will be a strong recovery).
Sanchez and Iglesias in Spain know they’re only good at stealing money from Peter to give to Paul, hence the total failure in response.

True, so we both agree that the point of capitalism is to enable the state to function. Unfortunately the last 30+ years has seen a shift to the position that the point of the state is to enable capitalism.

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

Money creation by banks/loans. That only works if it is backed by productive assets though. Otherwise you end up like Argentina/Venezuela.

So continual asset price inflation is good because......

J_1980

Leroy42 wrote: »

True, so we both agree that the point of capitalism is to enable the state to function. Unfortunately the last 30+ years has seen a shift to the position that the point of the state is to enable capitalism.

It should be free markets/capitalism first.
The state should just reign into any cronyism and should provide BASIC services that benefit everyone (basic unemployment insurance, basic healthcare etc). No free gaffs for a few, no xmas bonus and 850 a month for lifetime dolers.

Shefwedfan

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

Also all non government parties are pretty quiet these days. It's just more noticeable given how active/noisy SF were before.

SF have no ideas. All they are good at is standing back, let someone else do the work and then pop up on rte with some bulls**t interview saying that xyz done it wrong and should have done it this way


Thats the SF we know and love, aboslutely f**king useless at everything except throwing s**t after the work is done

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

I agree on the last bit. Corporatisms/cronyism is as evil as socialism. And America has it’s fair share of problems with that. But in Ireland the sponger attitude is the much bigger issue.

Maybe the corporate/financial sectors are the real spongers in this?

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So continual asset price inflation is good because......

Its the only way to fund a welfare state.
No asset price inflation, no money supply increase.
There has never been a welfare state under the gold standard Yes FDR started it under it, but it didn’t even last 30years (end of Bretton Woods).

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

It should be free markets/capitalism first. The state should just reign into any cronyism and should provide BASIC services that benefit everyone (basic unemployment insurance, basic healthcare etc). No free gaffs for a few, no xmas bonus and 850 a month for lifetime dolers.

Free gaffs? Define basic?

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Free gaffs? Define basic?

50 a week n rent of the dole (that is already free) is FREE. Anything below cost rental model is a joke and should be abolished. Capital costs + genuine maintenance of a property are easily 10k p.a.

Basic: a&e, all basic illness, but expect delays and mediocre service. Plus waiting times for non-urgent things.

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

Its the only way to fund a welfare state. No asset price inflation, no money supply increase. There has never been a welfare state under the gold standard Yes FDR started it under it, but it didn’t even last 30years (end of Bretton Woods).

So you want a welfare state and a free market, baring in mind, we currently live in a free market economy? It's also important to realise, many, possibly most policies over the last few decades have been geared towards continual asset price inflation, and without a continual growing money supply, our economies would probably become stagnate, as money has been a critical component of that, as you said, largely in the form of credit

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

Basic: a&e, all basic illness, but expect delays and mediocre service. Plus waiting times for non-urgent things.

Sounds really interesting, I think we should also load the country up with guns, alcohol and drugs, just to see what happens

Leroy42

J_1980 wrote: »

It should be free markets/capitalism first.
The state should just reign into any cronyism and should provide BASIC services that benefit everyone (basic unemployment insurance, basic healthcare etc). No free gaffs for a few, no xmas bonus and 850 a month for lifetime dolers.

You do remember the 2008 crash and the bailout? How many free gaffs did that equate to?

But just as you argue that the state should maintain the basics (except in times of crisis such as now but without the means to deal with it apparently) one can make a similar argument that capitalism should require only a basic profit.

No bailouts, no wage subsidies no r&d Grant's, no tax write offs.

Because it is believed that allowances in areas such as these provide benefits overall.

But when considering the cost of housing, dole etc, it is only fair to understand the real cost which needs to take account of the potential cost of doing nothing.

To we are way OT at this point.

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So you want a welfare state and a free market, baring in mind, we currently live in a free market economy? It's also important to realise, many, possibly most policies over the last few decades have been geared towards continual asset price inflation, and without a continual growing money supply, our economies would probably become stagnate, as money has been a critical component of that, as you said, largely in the form of credit

You can slow the need for money supply growth like Switzerland does by not doling out as much welfare.
If the welfare isn’t coming from money supply increases it has to come out of the pocket of the middle class like in Ireland (irish m3 growth has been anaemic). More welfare is just fueling the flames, but people are too stupid to realize this.

Wanderer78

J_1980 wrote:

You can slow the need for money supply growth like Switzerland does by not doling out as much welfare. If the welfare isn’t coming from money supply increases it has to come out of the pocket of the middle class like in Ireland (irish m3 growth has been anaemic). More welfare is just fueling the flames, but people are too stupid to realize this.

But most money globally comes from banks in the form of credit, what has this got to do with welfare? Maybe there's an issue with our credit creation systems, which in turn just continually increases asset prices, thus our debts, particularly private debt

LuasSimon

FF 34%
SF 28%

FF18%

These are the latest poll figures , FG getting deserved credit for work in this strange times , SF still polling large numbers whilst FF are dropping and dropping . If there should be any coalition it should be a FG-SF coalition with a smaller party

J_1980

Wanderer78 wrote: »

But most money globally comes from banks in the form of credit, what has this got to do with welfare? Maybe there's an issue with our credit creation systems, which in turn just continually increases asset prices, thus our debts, particularly private debt

Look as money supply as national accounts instead of individuals.
In a world with 100 gold coins, if Dennis Obrien owns 20, and the middle class 80 and DOB can just move to Cyprus where do you take the money to pay welfare from?
Now if the middle class can buy a house on credit for 5 coins, you have 105 coins in the system (money creation via credit) which will ultimately filter into government purse via taxation.
Now the government can spend 5 without taking any from the 80 the middle class has.

This is a very simplified example but maybe you get the point of it..

Runaways

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A twitter account? That’s he best you could come up with?

The official SF announcement was my reference. Twitter is good for, well looking at a shower of idiots if so inclined

And boards is any better?

Again. Laughable.

Runaways

J_1980 wrote: »

Everyone who wants to raise the dole by 25% in times of full employment and labor shortages is hard left.
Luckily for this virus, the hard left is over. The post-virus economy will be a fierce global competition for brain&talent&resources good for workers, bad for spongers

The government just did exactly that. It’s €305 if you’ve lost your job owing to the crisis.


Fine Gael implementing all these lefty policies must have escaped your attention.

Sultan_of_Ping

Runaways wrote: »

SF do not take MP wages in Westminster no. And in my experience they do earn their money within their constituencies. Where they work. For their constituents.

Yes, but you posted up a tweet from an SF TD that said

"Some TDs thing [sic] its OK to take expenses that aren’t really earned."

Do SF MPs in Westminster take expenses?

Also, the point you seem to missing is that any representation or work on behalf of constituents will be underaken through the context of fealty to the ard comhairle - in other words any representation or work is both contingent and conditional.

And we've already seen with the child abuse and bullying complaints that the party and its apparatchiks will place party interests above all else when it comes to it - so by definition SF elected representatives to Dail Eireann are not "People's Deputies" - they are there only to represent and work on behalf of constituents when their interests align with the party.

SF are only interested in power entirely for its own sake. They are not interested in the good of others; just interested solely in power, pure power.

In fact, as their administration of Northern Ireland has shown, they are not interested in lifting people up - only telling them that they are helpless, and that only SF can "save" them, when it is very much in the party interested to ensure as many as possible remain cast adrift while also believing SF will appear on the horizon as their putative saviours.

FrancieBrady

LuasSimon wrote: »

FF 34%
SF 28%

FF18%

These are the latest poll figures , FG getting deserved credit for work in this strange times , SF still polling large numbers whilst FF are dropping and dropping . If there should be any coalition it should be a FG-SF coalition with a smaller party

So SF's 'vanishing' has resulted in them gaining 3 points in the polls...they should consider 'vanishing' again maybe?

I am surprised by those results actually, I thought FG would have surged further ahead.

Mad_maxx

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

SF aren't hard left. A world of difference between them and PBP.

Also all non government parties are pretty quiet these days. It's just more noticeable given how active/noisy SF were before.

Of course SF are hard left, they are well to the left of the soc dems, greens or Labour as well as FF who are all centre left

Eoin o Broin is a Marxist to his core

J_1980

Runaways wrote: »

The government just did exactly that. It’s €305 if you’ve lost your job owing to the crisis.


Fine Gael implementing all these lefty policies must have escaped your attention.

I said “i times of full employment and labor shortages”. Is that the case right now?
Reading isn’t the strength of lefties...

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

And boards is any better?

Again. Laughable.

Have I said it was???

I don’t see people linking to post in boards as some sort of proof?

Have you?

all about the mane

LuasSimon wrote: »

FF 34%
SF 28%

FF18%

These are the latest poll figures , FG getting deserved credit for work in this strange times , SF still polling large numbers whilst FF are dropping and dropping . If there should be any coalition it should be a FG-SF coalition with a smaller party

You couldn't have a workable FG/SF coalition

Mad_maxx

J_1980 wrote: »

Everyone who wants to raise the dole by 25% in times of full employment and labor shortages is hard left.
Luckily for this virus, the hard left is over. The post-virus economy will be a fierce global competition for brain&talent&resources good for workers, bad for spongers

Perhaps elsewhere but not in this country

Our exclusively left wing media prevents any Conservative shift from taking place

Runaways

J_1980 wrote: »

I said “i times of full employment and labor shortages”. Is that the case right now?
Reading isn’t the strength of lefties...

We’re in full employment. Didn’t you know?
And will definitely have Labour shortages already is in some IT sectors.
I’m no leftie so spare us your American far right babble will you? You’re coming across as a a complete high horse bore

Shefwedfan

LuasSimon wrote: »

FF 34%
SF 28%

FF18%

These are the latest poll figures , FG getting deserved credit for work in this strange times , SF still polling large numbers whilst FF are dropping and dropping . If there should be any coalition it should be a FG-SF coalition with a smaller party

I asked this before but how do they take these poll? If everyone is on lock down then along the street wouldn’t work

So what is the catchment area? Age groups etc?

They just seems like a load of bulls**t as they yo yo up and down and then start to look decent only at election time

PS a poll does not change the election vote, you do understand that?

Runaways

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Have I said it was???

I don’t see people linking to post in boards as some sort of proof?

Have you?

You said it was a stunt. I provided you evidence it wasn’t a stunt. They didn’t take the increase.
You’re a spoofer exposed once again.

Have some of those manners you’re always banging on about and admit that much.

Shefwedfan

Runaways wrote: »

You said it was a stunt. I provided you evidence it wasn’t a stunt. They didn’t take the increase.
You’re a spoofer exposed once again.

Have some of those manners you’re always banging on about and admit that much.

Please quote my post saying it was a stunt....

If you want I can post the official statement from SF saying it was up to each TD and they would not tell them not to