Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Hamsterchops

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I mean you have got to admire him as a survivor, if nothing else..no?

Admire Gerry Adams

Honestly, talking about hiding "in plain sight", with a long list of suspicions & alligations levelled against him, Gerry has never shied away from his admiration for the Provisional IRA and their "war" against the security forces on both sides of the border, with scant regard for civilian life, he may well go to his grave like that fella from leeds before the real truth comes out, and people suddenly wake up to the fact that he was openly justifying murder in front of our eyes!

Some might admire his overpowering audacity. And even now, after stepping away from his post, he hogged the limelight for a day at the big IRA funeral just a few weeks ago, taking centre stage and flanked by his two female successors all dressed in black as they openly honoured one of their own.....

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He almost killed the most powerful one working as a tout for her armed forces if the allegations are true. Does that make the slightest sense to you?
Seems to me that he is a very relaxed member of his own community even though random priests and unionist writers were aware that he had sent members of that community to their deaths...does that make the slightest sense outside of fiction?

Scappatticci is still alive. Donaldson survived decades until the IRA killed him.
Faul is hardly a “random priest”. One of your points is that it is somehow unbelievable that he sent some members of his community to their deaths. Are you that much in denial that you won’t admit the republican movement, of which Adams was head, sent members of his own community to their death?

You Frequently refer to the collusion of British security forces in the war against the IRA yet not only was Adams not killed as a result of this collusion, British security forces saved his life by swapping the UDA’ hit squads ammunition with low velocity rounds and subsequently saved his life after a murder attempt.
Hardly the actions of a force desperately wanting rid of Adams. They actively protected him.

Edgware

castletownman wrote: »

That story about the SF member at local level in Wexford having to resign his chairmanship after being caught cyber abusing a local politican and businessman using a fake twitter account is crazy.

I have heard a recording of him basically been exposed and the amount of denying he does initially would make Adams proud.

I know the fella a bit too. And he always came across as a bit brash and assholey.

SF is the type of party that attracts the local wannabee Provo hardman who thinks flaunting around with an Easter Lily will give him street cred. They should be able to recognise these lads as the scum they are. Some of the gents I see out canvassing for Sinn Fein certainly wouldnt encourage me to vote for them.

Then you have decent men like Brian Stanley T.D. who highlighted the Covid risks in midland meat factories months ago. I know non S.F. people in Leitrim who have great regard for Martin Kenny as a very good local representative. These men seem to be kept in the background and instead we get "up the Ra" Cullinane who just comes across like a bulldog eating a wasp with nothing positive to say.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Scappatticci is still alive. Donaldson survived decades until the IRA killed him.
Faul is hardly a “random priest”. One of your points is that it is somehow unbelievable that he sent some members of his community to their deaths. Are you that much in denial that you won’t admit the republican movement, of which Adams was head, sent members of his own community to their death?

You Frequently refer to the collusion of British security forces in the war against the IRA yet not only was Adams not killed as a result of this collusion, British security forces saved his life by swapping the UDA’ hit squads ammunition with low velocity rounds and subsequently saved his life after a murder attempt.
Hardly the actions of a force desperately wanting rid of Adams. They actively protected him.

Now I wonder who told you the story about the low velocity rounds?

Whenever you get around to squaring all the other circles of improbability...stuck it in a book and I might buy it.

For now I call bull**** on the claim and counter claim about the man...it makes no sense if you look at anything approaching the real world and real relationships.
Maybe some day somebody might tell the real story.

mattser

Edgware wrote: »

SF is the type of party that attracts the local wannabee Provo hardman who thinks flaunting around with an Easter Lily will give him street cred. They should be able to recognise these lads as the scum they are. Some of the gents I see out canvassing for Sinn Fein certainly wouldnt encourage me to vote for them.

Then you have decent men like Brian Stanley T.D. who highlighted the Covid risks in midland meat factories months ago. I know non S.F. people in Leitrim who have great regard for Martin Quinn as a very good local representative. These men seem to be kept in the background and instead we get "up the Ra" Cullinane who just comes across like a bulldog eating a wasp with nothing positive to say.

Great to see them getting hammered here. A couple of the main amigos are missing note. They must know they're on a hiding to nothing.
Anyway, days work ahead.

Edgware

mattser wrote: »

Great to see them getting hammered here. A couple of the main amigos are missing note. They must know they're on a hiding to nothing.
Anyway, days work ahead.

I have corrected entry. Martin Kenny not Martin Quinn

Bonniedog

Edgware wrote: »

SF is the type of party that attracts the local wannabee Provo hardman who thinks flaunting around with an Easter Lily will give him street cred. They should be able to recognise these lads as the scum they are. Some of the gents I see out canvassing for Sinn Fein certainly wouldnt encourage me to vote for them.

Then you have decent men like Brian Stanley T.D. who highlighted the Covid risks in midland meat factories months ago. I know non S.F. people in Leitrim who have great regard for Martin Quinn as a very good local representative. These men seem to be kept in the background and instead we get "up the Ra" Cullinane who just comes across like a bulldog eating a wasp with nothing positive to say.

Stanley and others are decent people and good reps. Ó Caoláin also but they are a dwindling band. Cullinane is a particularly unpleasant example of the current set up. Waterford's "Up the Ra" ing was noted with considerable irony by Provies of longer vintage

Edgware

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Now I wonder who told you the story about the low velocity rounds?

Whenever you get around to squaring all the other circles of improbability...stuck it in a book and I might buy it.

For now I call bull**** on the claim and counter claim about the man...it makes no sense if you look at anything approaching the real world and real relationships.
Maybe some day somebody might tell the real story.

Were the gunmen hiding on the grassy knoll?

FrancieBrady

Bonniedog wrote: »

Stanley and others are decent people and good reps. Ó Caoláin also but they are a dwindling band. Cullinane is a particularly unpleasant example of the current set up. Waterford's "Up the Ra" ing was noted with considerable irony by Provies of longer vintage

We are in a post conflict phase were people are in denial that the IRA actually had support...hence the faux outrage about Culinane's private exhuberance and celebration. The south went through the same sort of confused hiatus during the 30's and 40's about the equally bloody and terrible period of our gestation to a free and sovereign entity.
By the 50 year anniversary there was a mood swing about it all though leading to a familiar but still perplexing dichotomy that I witnessed yet again this morning with Ryan Tubridy waxing lyrical about the IRA Hunger Strikes of the 1920's.
His like is not ready to wax lyrical about the most recent hunger strikes.
I probably won't be around to hear it, but I guarantee that one day his like will be waxing lyrical about the men and women of this period too.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We are in a post conflict phase were people are in denial that the IRA actually had support...hence the faux outrage about Culinane's private exhuberance and celebration. The south went through the same sort of confused hiatus during the 30's and 40's about the equally bloody and terrible period of our gestation to a free and sovereign entity.
By the 50 year anniversary there was a mood swing about it all though leading to a familiar but still perplexing dichotomy that I witnessed yet again this morning with Ryan Tubridy waxing lyrical about the IRA Hunger Strikes of the 1920's.
His like is not ready to wax lyrical about the most recent hunger strikes.
I probably won't be around to hear it, but I guarantee that one day his like will be waxing lyrical about the men and women of this period too.

Denial? Nobody is denying that the IRA had popular support. Sinn Fein won a couple of percent of the first preference vote in the south and around 10% in the north until they surrendered their guns.

The commemorations in 1966 had veterans of the war of independence and civil war on the reviewing stand outside the GPO, many of them serving politicians. None of them were continuing to deny they had ever even been a member of the IRA.

Some people, like your good self may “wax lyrical” about the Warrington bombers, Enniskillen bombers, Kingsmill gunmen etc. For presenters on national radio to trot out this revisionist reimagining of reality is something that you cannot “guarantee”. Interesting that you are so sure of this yet to most other questions on the IRA your refrain is “I don’t know”.

castletownman

Bonniedog wrote: »

How long has he been in SF?

I knew Maurice Roche fairly well and it was the likes of your man who were harassing him and eventually forced him out.

I don't know that. I can't say I associate myself with any of them, only that they happen to drink in the same pub as myself.

They were all celebrating when Mythen got elected TD as if he was automatically going to become taoiseach and were going to benefit as a result. They've gone a bit quieter since....

In mitigation I have had many a discussion about GAA with two of them who happen to have family links to one of their 'martyrs'.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We are in a post conflict phase were people are in denial that the IRA actually had support...hence the faux outrage about Culinane's private exhuberance and celebration. The south went through the same sort of confused hiatus during the 30's and 40's about the equally bloody and terrible period of our gestation to a free and sovereign entity.
By the 50 year anniversary there was a mood swing about it all though leading to a familiar but still perplexing dichotomy that I witnessed yet again this morning with Ryan Tubridy waxing lyrical about the IRA Hunger Strikes of the 1920's.
His like is not ready to wax lyrical about the most recent hunger strikes.
I probably won't be around to hear it, but I guarantee that one day his like will be waxing lyrical about the men and women of this period too.

Denial? Nobody is denying that the IRA had popular support. Sinn Fein won a couple of percent of the first preference vote in the south and around 10% in the north until they surrendered their guns.

The commemorations in 1966 had veterans of the war of independence and civil war on the reviewing stand outside the GPO, many of them serving politicians. None of them were continuing to deny they had ever even been a member of the IRA.

Some people, like your good self may “wax lyrical” about the Warrington bombers, Enniskillen bombers, Kingsmill gunmen etc. For presenters on national radio to trot out this revisionist reimagining of reality is something that you cannot “guarantee”. Interesting that you are so sure of this yet to most other questions on the IRA your refrain is “I don’t know”.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Denial? Nobody is denying that the IRA had popular support. Sinn Fein won a couple of percent of the first preference vote in the south and around 10% in the north until they surrendered their guns.

The commemorations in 1966 had veterans of the war of independence and civil war on the reviewing stand outside the GPO, many of them serving politicians. None of them were continuing to deny they had ever even been a member of the IRA.

Some people, like your good self may “wax lyrical” about the Warrington bombers, Enniskillen bombers, Kingsmill gunmen etc. For presenters on national radio to trot out this revisionist reimagining of reality is something that you cannot “guarantee”. Interesting that you are so sure of this yet to most other questions on the IRA your refrain is “I don’t know”.

I will never and never have 'waxed lyrical' about an act of violence carried out in the recent conflict/war or the ones carried out in 1916 or in the 1920's.

The state, made up of all the protagonists and players in the bloody birth of our state, LOCKED away the details of what was done SS. They have only recently made them public. Nobody in the general public had any detail of what the men and women on that reviewing stand actually did, the many horrible and bloody acts they carried out, as profoundly lethal as the acts carried out since 1969..

The hypocrisy on show when the likes of Tubridy 'waxes lyrical' or the likes of some on here who will separate out the good republicans...'McGuinness', 'Kenny' 'Stanley' etc etc in order to attack the ones they hate, will continue as it did into 1966.



1966 was the 50th anniversary and was a turning point in how the country looked at it's history. There was a very delicate path to be negotiated and it was a watershed. A 'watershed' that allowed the likes of Tubridy to say what he said this morning.

The Rising of 1916 belongs to nobody if it does not belong to the people of Ireland’, The Kerryman wrote in 1966. ‘Some of them are proud of the Rising, others would disown it if they could, and there are quite a number . . . who are so indifferent that talk about it bores them. Nevertheless the 1916 Rising is theirs.’ The golden jubilee commemoration presented itself as both an obligation and an opportunity. For many the virtue of the Easter Rising was not in doubt. However, events cannot be commemorated without being assigned new meaning, and the anniversary forced clarification of what the Rising represented as a historical event and, more contentiously, of its continued meaning or relevance in 1966.

Bonniedog

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We are in a post conflict phase were people are in denial that the IRA actually had support...hence the faux outrage about Culinane's private exhuberance and celebration. The south went through the same sort of confused hiatus during the 30's and 40's about the equally bloody and terrible period of our gestation to a free and sovereign entity.
By the 50 year anniversary there was a mood swing about it all though leading to a familiar but still perplexing dichotomy that I witnessed yet again this morning with Ryan Tubridy waxing lyrical about the IRA Hunger Strikes of the 1920's.
His like is not ready to wax lyrical about the most recent hunger strikes.
I probably won't be around to hear it, but I guarantee that one day his like will be waxing lyrical about the men and women of this period too.

The 1916 - 21 revolution failed in securing a 32 county Republic, but it did succeed in securing political independence for the 26 counties.

The IRA campaign of 1970 - 1998 achieved none of the IRA's objectives. And at the cost of many lives of people on all sides including the hunger strikers of the 1970s and 1981.

Carpet bagging shinners shouting "Up the Ra" after a few pints is embarrassing to be honest; the "Ra" having abjectly surrendered.

jm08

Edgware wrote: »

Theres a fifty year gap there

Aiken was a TD in Fianna Fail, he was a minister in Government within about 15 years of that massacre. Interesting enough, as minister for defence (I think in 1940), he offered to bring the remnants of the IRA into the Irish Defence Forces, but they turned him down.


So, nothing like 50 years from sectarian killings in 1922 to becoming a Minister in the Irish Government - more like 20 years.

FrancieBrady

Bonniedog wrote: »

The 1916 - 21 revolution failed in securing a 32 county Republic, but it did succeed in securing political independence for the 26 counties.

The IRA campaign of 1970 - 1998 achieved none of the IRA's objectives. And at the cost of many lives of people on all sides including the hunger strikers of the 1970s and 1981.

Carpet bagging shinners shouting "Up the Ra" after a few pints is embarrassing to be honest; the "Ra" having abjectly surrendered.

You are free to be embarrassed about whatsoever you want.

i.e. John Bruton blubbering like a baby when one of the royal family deigned to visit us was excruciatingly embarrassing. Leo and Charlie Flanagan's attempt to give a state occasion to the RIC was embarrassing. etc etc.

The only people who need tutoring in democracy are those who would call a democratically elected representative a 'carpet bagger' mind you.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I will never and never have 'waxed lyrical' about an act of violence carried out in the recent conflict/war or the ones carried out in 1916 or in the 1920's.

The state, made up of all the protagonists and players in the bloody birth of our state, LOCKED away the details of what was done SS. They have only recently made them public. Nobody in the general public had any detail of what the men and women on that reviewing stand actually did, the many horrible and bloody acts they carried out, as profoundly lethal as the acts carried out since 1969..

The hypocrisy on show when the likes of Tubridy 'waxes lyrical' or the likes of some on here who will separate out the good republicans...'McGuinness', 'Kenny' 'Stanley' etc etc in order to attack the ones they hate, will continue as it did into 1966.



1966 was the 50th anniversary and was a turning point in how the country looked at it's history. There was a very delicate path to be negotiated and it was a watershed. A 'watershed' that allowed the likes of Tubridy to say what he said this morning.

Sometimes it is obvious that you disavow reading books on Irish history.
There were large scale commemorations, re enactments and celebrations throughout the 30s and 40s. Collins family stood behind De Velera on the podium in 1935. An era you say was a “hiatus” That is patently untrue. Most of the memorials were commissioned at this time.
Why you single out 1966 as a “watershed” is unclear

It is standard practice for state papers and sensitive materials to be released only after x amount of years, not just in Ireland but internationally. That is why new books on the period, which you pride yourself in not reading, with new sources are published on an annual basis.

Hamsterchops

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Denial? Nobody is denying that the IRA had popular support.

I'm denying that the PIRA had popular support, for they were a minority within a minority. The vast majority of people on this island North & South did not support the Provos or their means.

Bonniedog

FrancieBrady wrote: »

i.e. John Bruton blubbering like a baby when one of the royal family deigned to visit us was excruciatingly embarrassing..

When it comes to slobbering over the British royals, the Shinners have not been in the ha'penny place.

As is natural given that they run part of Ireland for them

SafeSurfer

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I'm denying that the PIRA had popular support, for they were a minority within a minority. The vast majority of people on this island North & South did not support the Provos or their means.

Agreed. I meant support rather than popular support.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Sometimes it is obvious that you disavow reading books on Irish history.
There were large scale commemorations, re enactments and celebrations throughout the 30s and 40s. Collins family stood behind De Velera on the podium in 1935. An era you say was a “hiatus” That is patently untrue. Most of the memorials were commissioned at this time.
Why you single out 1966 as a “watershed” is unclear

It is standard practice for state papers and sensitive materials to be released only after x amount of years, not just in Ireland but internationally. That is why new books on the period, which you pride yourself in not reading, with new sources are published on an annual basis.

Another remarkable lack of knowledge.

I wasn't referencing state papers. I am referencing this:

http://www.militaryarchives.ie/collections/online-collections/bureau-of-military-history-1913-1921/about/guide-to-the-collection/

And I clearly said 1966 marked a watershed moment in how the revolutionary period was viewed...I never said it wasn't celebrated by some during the 40 and 50's. In fact the quote I posted tells you how it was looked at, I'll quote it again:

‘Some of them are proud of the Rising, others would disown it if they could, and there are quite a number . . . who are so indifferent that talk about it bores them.

1966 was a watewrshed in that it began the process of the vast majority becoming proud of the revolutionary period. Resulting in the position today where the vast majority of the media would never dream of denigrating the men and women of the period nor would the ignore them.

That is a very ordinary process really...degrees of separation from the bloody and murderous realities of war.
I am more than convinced it will happen with the most recent period too. The process has started as i said...'good republicans' are being picked out. The hypocrisy being - ignoring that what they did is the same as what the 'bad' republicans did.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Another remarkable lack of knowledge.

I wasn't referencing state papers. I am referencing this:

http://www.militaryarchives.ie/collections/online-collections/bureau-of-military-history-1913-1921/about/guide-to-the-collection/

And I clearly said 1966 marked a watershed moment in how the revolutionary period was viewed...I never said it wasn't celebrated by some during the 40 and 50's. In fact the quote I posted tells you how it was looked at, I'll quote it again:


1966 was a watewrshed in that it began the process of the vast majority becoming proud of the revolutionary period. Resulting in the position today where the vast majority of the media would never dream of denigrating the men and women of the period nor would the ignore them.

That is a very ordinary process really...degrees of separation from the bloody and murderous realities of war.
I am more than convinced it will happen with the most recent period too. The process has started as i said...'good republicans' are being picked out. The hypocrisy being - ignoring that what they did is the same as what the 'bad' republicans did.

You are incorrigible Francie. Not content with reinterpreting the history of the troubles you want to reinterpret what you posted earlier this morning.


“The Bureau of Military History Collection, 1913-1921 (BMH) is a collection of 1,773 witness statements; 334 sets of contemporary documents; 42 sets of photographs and 13 voice recordings that were collected by the State between 1947 and 1957, in order to gather primary source material for the revolutionary period in Ireland from 1913 to 1921”

So the archives collected by the state between 1947 and 1957 should have been made available to the public in the 1930s and 40s? Incredible.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You are incorrigible Francie. Not content with reinterpreting the history of the troubles you want to reinterpret what you posted earlier this morning.


“The Bureau of Military History Collection, 1913-1921 (BMH) is a collection of 1,773 witness statements; 334 sets of contemporary documents; 42 sets of photographs and 13 voice recordings that were collected by the State between 1947 and 1957, in order to gather primary source material for the revolutionary period in Ireland from 1913 to 1921”

So the archives collected by the state between 1947 and 1957 should have been made available to the public in the 1930s and 40s? Incredible.

I'm incorrigible? This is a blatant attempt to deflect away from the discussion.

Here is what I said;

franciebrady wrote:

The state, made up of all the protagonists and players in the bloody birth of our state, LOCKED away the details of what was done SS.

...I didn't say anything about archive not being available in the 30's and 40's.

Again and again, when you cannot answer you go for trying to depict me as a disingenuous poster.

I have made a point, backed it with quotes, links and you do this?...pathetic, if not a despicable way to engage.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm incorrigible? This is a blatant attempt to deflect away from the discussion.

Here is what I said;



...I didn't say anything about archive not being available in the 30's and 40's.

Again and again, when you cannot answer you go for trying to depict me as a disingenuous poster.

I have made a point, backed it with quotes, links and you do this?...pathetic, if not a despicable way to engage.

You are talking about the records of the war being “locked away” by the southern government as if by conspiracy.

Did you ever consider that these papers were released after the last of the contributors died? Is the 100 year rule on census publication a conspiracy too?

How can an archive of the recent troubles be compiled when protagonists such as Adams lie as naseum about their role?
When archives are compiled, such as the Boston Tapes and they reveal Adams role in the IRA you dismiss them as unreliable. You are disingenuous. Not only are you a la carte when it comes to sources you only pick the pieces of each course that suit your narrative.

Edgware

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You are incorrigible Francie. Not content with reinterpreting the history of the troubles you want to reinterpret what you posted earlier this morning.


“The Bureau of Military History Collection, 1913-1921 (BMH) is a collection of 1,773 witness statements; 334 sets of contemporary documents; 42 sets of photographs and 13 voice recordings that were collected by the State between 1947 and 1957, in order to gather primary source material for the revolutionary period in Ireland from 1913 to 1921”

So the archives collected by the state between 1947 and 1957 should have been made available to the public in the 1930s and 40s? Incredible.

You do know that Francie has a time machine stored in the mothership which enables him to drift back and forth though history

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You are talking about the records of the war being “locked away” by the southern government as if by conspiracy.

It wasn't a consiracy...it was an open and transparent decision by the government of the day.

Did you ever consider that these papers were released after the last of the contributors died? Is the 100 year rule on census publication a conspiracy too?

You don't need to inform me about these archives I was aware of them.

How can an archive of the recent troubles be compiled when protagonists such as Adams lie as naseum about their role?

The contributors to the MBA were not interrogated about what they did, they took part in a voluntary process of truth collection
Adams, SF and the IRA are in favour of that...guess who isn't?

When archives are compiled, such as the Boston Tapes and they reveal Adams role in the IRA you dismiss them as unreliable. You are disingenuous. Not only are you a la carte when it comes to sources you only pick the pieces of each course that suit your narrative.

I didn't 'dismiss the Boston Tapes' they quite spectacularly dismissed themselves.
https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/60-minutes-exposes-shameful-boston-college-ira-tapes-project

I keep saying to you people...I don't know nor care (as I don't see what difference it would have made) if Adams was in the IRA or not.ANd clearly, looking at the growth of SF, my point about attitudes changing to the conflict war, neither do an awful lot of the public...a growing amount of the public. That is, as I said again, what happens.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It wasn't a consiracy...it was an open and transparent decision by the government of the day.


You don't need to inform me about these archives I was aware of them.


The contributors to the MBA were not interrogated about what they did, they took part in a voluntary process of truth collection
Adams, SF and the IRA are in favour of that...guess who isn't?


I didn't 'dismiss the Boston Tapes' they quite spectacularly dismissed themselves.
https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/60-minutes-exposes-shameful-boston-college-ira-tapes-project

I keep saying to you people...I don't know nor care (as I don't see what difference it would have made) if Adams was in the IRA or not.ANd clearly, looking at the growth of SF, my point about attitudes changing to the conflict war, neither do an awful lot of the public...a growing amount of the public. That is, as I said again, what happens.

The lady doth protest too much methinks.

jm08

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The lady doth protest too much methinks.

In fairness, Niall O'Dowd who wrote that article in Irish Central isn't holding back in his criticism of them. And what adds more weight to what he says is that he is the brother of a Fine Gael TD, so not a closet Shinner.

SS - what age are you - are you old enough to remember the 1966 commemorations?

RandomViewer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are free to be embarrassed about whatsoever you want.

i.e. John Bruton blubbering like a baby when one of the royal family deigned to visit us was excruciatingly embarrassing. Leo and Charlie Flanagan's attempt to give a state occasion to the RIC was embarrassing. etc etc.

The only people who need tutoring in democracy are those who would call a democratically elected representative a 'carpet bagger' mind you.

John Bruton is an embarrassment in every way, on praising John Hume last week on RTE and back when Hume needed his support he did his best to destroy what Hume created, Disrupted the peace process for a few Orange votes

RandomViewer

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Scappatticci is still alive. Donaldson survived decades until the IRA killed him.
Faul is hardly a “random priest”. One of your points is that it is somehow unbelievable that he sent some members of his community to their deaths. Are you that much in denial that you won’t admit the republican movement, of which Adams was head, sent members of his own community to their death?

You Frequently refer to the collusion of British security forces in the war against the IRA yet not only was Adams not killed as a result of this collusion, British security forces saved his life by swapping the UDA’ hit squads ammunition with low velocity rounds and subsequently saved his life after a murder attempt.
Hardly the actions of a force desperately wanting rid of Adams. They actively protected him.

IRA didn't kill Donaldson, Paisley had crime scene photos before anyone else including the Gardai,