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Is it just me or have SF vanished?
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Truthvader wrote: »"What about". You just cant stop yourself can you.
Not going into all this again but for starters the British Army was actually sent here to protect the Catholic community from their Protestant neigbours. There were some disgraceful acts committed by the British Army but unlike Sinn Fein IRA they were not full time dedicated to murder and thuggery
OF COURSE you don't want to go into it. Of course!
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Then why did the SDLP outpoll them at every election until 2001?
The vast majority of nationalists rejected SF and their provo brothers, until the PIRA stopped killing.
Again, like the Adams fantasy allegations that don't equate to anything that happens in real life, this theory that the 'electorate' suddenly trusted SF is a nonsense.
It's 25 yrs since the GFA and the southern electorate (the partitionist element) are still going on about distrust but SDLP voters 'suddenly' switched over.
The reality is, the SF election machine didn't really get going until the 90's and they grew their support all the way through despite, censorship, intimidation, a fairly spectacular anti SF bias in the media and the not trivial fact that members of SF were shot dead.0 -
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Were they running candidates. Didn't Gerry Adams take Gerry Fitt's seat in West Belfast in the early 80s?
By the way, that link to Kevin Lunney's beatings and attempted murder - it says that the Continuity IRA were believed to behind it, not the PIRA as you seem to be claiming.
The Real IRA, the Continuity IRA, the Makeuppy IRA
It's all the one group. Anything that happens now it is "dissident Republicans" but check into their history and surprise surprise they are part of the PIRA. THey suddenly jumped ship
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FrancieBrady wrote: »Again, like the Adams fantasy allegations that don't equate to anything that happens in real life, this theory that the 'electorate' suddenly trusted SF is a nonsense.
It's 25 yrs since the GFA and the southern electorate (the partitionist element) are still going on about distrust but SDLP voters 'suddenly' switched over.
The reality is, the SF election machine didn't really get going until the 90's and they grew their support all the way through despite, censorship, intimidation, a fairly spectacular anti SF bias in the media and the not trivial fact that members of SF were shot dead.
Calls into question the fact that SDLP outpolled SF at every election until 2001.
Then, admits its in the next paragraph.
But sure, you never voted SF in your life until recently, am I right? :P0 -
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FrancieBrady wrote: »Another lie mark. I didn't question the fact that they outpolled them.
So nationalists gave the SDLP a bigger mandate than SF up to 2001.
As I have said all along, SF/PIRA had no majority support from nationalists for their acts of terror and murder. I am glad we can agree on that.0 -
So nationalists gave the SDLP a bigger mandate than SF up to 2001.
As I have said all along, SF/PIRA had no majority support from nationalists for their acts of terror and murder. I am glad we can agree on that.
When have I ever claimed that?
The simple FACT (those things you detest) is that SF were not equal to the SDLP as an electoral machine for reasons already outlined. Had they been then they would have eclipsed the SDLP long before they did.
I can't be bothered going to the trouble AGAIN to show you the data on this as you will doubtless try to claim something else was said.
I can't stand posters who lie about what other posters said and when challenged slink and slither away into silence.
You told a lie about me today and the Kevin Lunney incident and refused to back it up. You know you did it and I hope you are proud of that. At least one other poster knows you did too. You ruled yourself out of being taken as a credible debater.0 -
Superfoods wrote: »The Real IRA, the Continuity IRA, the Makeuppy IRA
It's all the one group. Anything that happens now it is "dissident Republicans" but check into their history and surprise surprise they are part of the PIRA. THey suddenly jumped ship
Ok, going by this logic - same IRA Michael Collins and Fine Gael evolved from so?0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »When have I ever claimed that?
The simple FACT (those things you detest) is that SF were not equal to the SDLP as an electoral machine for reasons already outlined. Had they been then they would have eclipsed the SDLP long before they did.
If my Auntie had balls she would be a thoroughbred horse.:D
The only fact we know, not some made up 'What if', or "could have" bollix that you like to lean on is that the SDLP up to 2001 was the party most nationalists supported.
The rest is mere conjecture and bull****, done to peddle a myth that most nationalists supported a ragtag bunch of murderers, rapists, bombers and child killers.0 -
If my Auntie had balls she would be a thoroughbred horse.:D
The only fact we know, not some made up 'What if', or "could have" bollix that you like to lean on is that the SDLP up to 2001 was the party most nationalists supported.
The rest is mere conjecture and bull****, done to peddle a myth that most nationalists supported a ragtag bunch of murderers, rapists, bombers and child killers.
The myth peddled is that the switch from the SDLP was sudden...it wasn't anything like that and actually follows the pattern you would expect of a party gradually building their electoral base and performance.
The bizarre idea that people switched en masse to vote for a party in the volatile post GFA period when the IRA had still not de-comissioned, police reform had not been achieved is 'actual' mythmaking because as we know in the south, that is not the way REAL life works.
So you cling to that level of analysis if you wish...who cares what you think. You are not interested in informed analysis.0 -
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