Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Typical Truth answer.

Nobody had to admit they did the wrong thing or acted wrong...the British, Irish, and all who signed the multiparty agreement.

Despite some of them doing the same things as the IRA, in Truth's wee moral world only the IRA have to pay the price.

Hypocritical, wrong headed and to not put a tooth in it, stupid.

After every war/conflict these simple things happen and once agreements are signed or treaties agreed, democracy returns and proceeds...our own states beginnings being a case in point. Europe after every conflagation/war and conflict.

But the RA...the RA ...the RA!!!

Actually the IRA never paid the price. All the scum were released from prison and got "jobs" as "community activists" while the ones that could spell became more active in Sinn Fein. Plus whats this "democracy returns" drivel? It never went away. Your real problem seems to be that even though the low tide of thickos and criminals in Sinn Fein managed 25% of the vote you think that they are accordingly entitled to government. They're just not and the other parties not riddled with criminal low lifes want nothing to do with them. Mainly because, as most recently revealed by you, leaving aside their history of depravity, their members see nothing wrong with the murder and mutilation of other people, continue to celebrate it - and indeed to indulge in the odd bit of criminality if and when it suits.

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Actually the IRA never paid the price. All the scum were released from prison and got "jobs" as "community activists" while the ones that could spell became more active in Sinn Fein. Plus whats this "democracy returns" drivel? It never went away. Your real problem seems to be that even though the low tide of thickos and criminals in Sinn Fein managed 25% of the vote you think that they are accordingly entitled to government. They're just not and the other parties not riddled with criminal low lifes want nothing to do with them. Mainly because, as most recently revealed by you, leaving aside their history of depravity, their members see nothing wrong with the murder and mutilation of other people, continue to celebrate it - and indeed to indulge in the odd bit of criminality if and when it suits.

Separating out the rant your comment about 'democracy never went away' needs to be addressed to those who have had to fight for the rights contained in the GFA.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The purpose of a treaty or agreement is to allow democracy to return in the aftermath of a war/conflict. A Treaty will have the terms of that agreement.

There is no requirement in the GFA or The Multi party agreement for any side to admit they were wrong to do what they did. Truthvader's point was that it is wrong to vote for SF until they do this.

Do you agree or disagree?

How can agree without something I know not to be true?

The purpose of a treaty is not necessarily “to allow democracy to return in the aftermath of a war conflict”.

You would have to have a very parochial view of war/conflict to believe that to be the case.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

How can agree without something I know not to be true?

The purpose of a treaty is not necessarily “to allow democracy to return in the aftermath of a war conflict”.

You would have to have a very parochial view of war/conflict to believe that to be the case.

Fair enough, not going to argue that any further tbh.
Can you answer the question specifically asked about the GFA now?

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Fair enough, not going to argue that any further tbh.
Can you answer the question specifically asked about the GFA now?

Yes you are absolutely right on that point.

jm08

Truthvader wrote: »

Actually the IRA never paid the price. All the scum were released from prison and got "jobs" as "community activists" while the ones that could spell became more active in Sinn Fein. Plus whats this "democracy returns" drivel? It never went away. Your real problem seems to be that even though the low tide of thickos and criminals in Sinn Fein managed 25% of the vote you think that they are accordingly entitled to government. They're just not and the other parties not riddled with criminal low lifes want nothing to do with them. Mainly because, as most recently revealed by you, leaving aside their history of depravity, their members see nothing wrong with the murder and mutilation of other people, continue to celebrate it - and indeed to indulge in the odd bit of criminality if and when it suits.

What should the price have been? Should they have been executed like the 80 that Fine Gael executed in the Civil War?


All those people did time (for example, Bobby Storey did 20 years in prison).

Superfoods

jm08 wrote: »

What should the price have been? Should they have been executed like the 80 that Fine Gael executed in the Civil War?


All those people did time (for example, Bobby Storey did 20 years in prison).

Thrown in jail and never released

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Separating out the rant your comment about 'democracy never went away' needs to be addressed to those who have had to fight for the rights contained in the GFA.

What "right" is contained in the GFA that was not available before. ( not including the "right" of murderers, thieves and thugs to early release.)

The electoral process (one vote per person) is the same as that obtaining before the GFA.

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

What "right" is contained in the GFA that was not available before. ( not including the "right" of murderers, thieves and thugs to early release.)

The electoral process (one vote per person) is the same as that obtaining before the GFA.

Maybe read it? It mentions quite a few in the first few pages.

Psychiatric Patrick

Pkiernan wrote: »

Will Gerry tell MLMD to boot this moron from the party?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politicsg/sinn-fein-councillor-apologises-over-lanzarote-holiday-39470068.html

She apologised so that makes everything okay.

It used to be that people would apologise when they unknowingly did something wrong but that is old fashioned. Now people give an apology only if they are caught doing something they knew was wrong.

I only found out about this modern way of thinking today.

My debit card is bent and waiting on a new one but the mother just told me she has a craving for those Natural Confectionery Co. Jelly Snakes and I have a looking for Pepsi and popcorn.im going to go over to Dunnes and stick them in my pocket. If the security guard catches me I’ll just tell him I’m sorry. So we are sorted for snacks

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe read it? It mentions quite a few in the first few pages.

Maybe just itemise one

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You really struggle with this. I make no exception. All of the violence was wrong from the start.

But went to great lengths to try and justify the murder of a 3-year-old toddler as if it helped a Nationalist in Derry, something something...

markodaly

Pkiernan wrote: »

Will Gerry tell MLMD to boot this moron from the party?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-apologises-over-lanzarote-holiday-39470068.html

She wouldnt get a refund, so went on holiday anyway. :)

Monaghan county councillor Cathy Bennett has confirmed she travelled to the Spanish island of Lanzarote from July 29 to August 9, saying she took the family holiday because she was unable to get a refund from the airline.

markodaly

MoN and NI SF, having to back down on this one following a court ruling.

https://extra.ie/2020/08/21/news/politics/michelle-oneill-compensation-fund-troubles-victims

Northern Ireland’s Deputy First Minister Michelle O’Neill has agreed to progress a compensation pension scheme for victims of the Trouble following a High court ruling on Friday.

The judge ruled that the Northern Ireland Executive Office deliberately and unlawfully refused to advance the compensation scheme.

Ms O’Neill has now agreed to nominate a Stormont department to take responsibility for it.

maccored

markodaly wrote: »

MoN and NI SF, having to back down on this one following a court ruling.

https://extra.ie/2020/08/21/news/politics/michelle-oneill-compensation-fund-troubles-victims

and ... ?

jm08

Superfoods wrote: »

Thrown in jail and never released

Do you mean like what Stalin would have done. Wouldn't Fine Gael only love to get back to their fascist origins.

Edgware

maccored wrote: »

and ... ?

It justs shows the type of ***** that there are in Sinn Fein. They are trying to say that a poor woman who lost both legs in one of their sectarian bombings should not get compensation unless one of their dirtbirds who blew himself up with his own bomb gets it

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

But went to great lengths to try and justify the murder of a 3-year-old toddler as if it helped a Nationalist in Derry, something something...

Where did I justify it mark?

Just because you cannot understand an answer does not make you correct on this.

So please post where I justified it.

Truthvader

jm08 wrote: »

Do you mean like what Stalin would have done. Wouldn't Fine Gael only love to get back to their fascist origins.

Are you on drugs? Expecting convicted crominals to serve their sentences is nothing to do with Stalinism. Maybe have an early night

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Are you on drugs? Expecting convicted crominals to serve their sentences is nothing to do with Stalinism. Maybe have an early night

There was a 'negotiated' settlement/agreement. Nothing unusual when you accept that a conflict/war has taken place and accept that a truce has been called that prisoner releases are negotiated. Again no side had to admit to doing the wrong thing. None of them...they all got prisoner releases.

If you wish to argue an anti GFA position that is fine, if not, I think it is high time you read the thing and how it was arrived at, because you just sound uninformed and silly.

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There was a 'negotiated' settlement/agreement. Nothing unusual when you accept that a conflict/war has taken place and accept that a truce has been called that prisoner releases are negotiated. Again no side had to admit to doing the wrong thing. None of them...they all got prisoner releases.

If you wish to argue an anti GFA position that is fine, if not, I think it is high time you read the thing and how it was arrived at, because you just sound uninformed and silly.

Really? Still waiting for the Sinn Fein /IRA fountain of all wisdom and knowledge to itemise one "right" contained in the GFA that was not available before the GFA. Lets see who turns out to be "uninformed and silly" - or just plain duplicitous

jm08

Truthvader wrote: »

Really? Still waiting for the Sinn Fein /IRA fountain of all wisdom and knowledge to itemise one "right" contained in the GFA that was not available before the GFA. Lets see who turns out to be "uninformed and silly" - or just plain duplicitous

Well, for one thing there was prisoner release which you seem very vexed over:)

Truthvader

jm08 wrote: »

Well, for one thing there was prisoner release which you seem very vexed over:)

Would you read my original post from 12.55 before replying, Einstein

end of the road

Truthvader wrote: »

Really? Still waiting for the Sinn Fein /IRA fountain of all wisdom and knowledge to itemise one "right" contained in the GFA that was not available before the GFA. Lets see who turns out to be "uninformed and silly" - or just plain duplicitous

catholics right to be treated equally rather then second class citizens was enshrined finally.

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Really? Still waiting for the Sinn Fein /IRA fountain of all wisdom and knowledge to itemise one "right" contained in the GFA that was not available before the GFA. Lets see who turns out to be "uninformed and silly" - or just plain duplicitous

(vi) recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to
identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they
may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both
British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would
not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

Like how un-informed do you have to be?

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

(vi) recognise the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to
identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they
may so choose, and accordingly confirm that their right to hold both
British and Irish citizenship is accepted by both Governments and would
not be affected by any future change in the status of Northern Ireland.

Like how un-informed do you have to be?

Like............, that "right" was already there and many held both passports long before GFA

Try again

FrancieBrady

Truthvader wrote: »

Like............, that "right" was already there and many held both passports long before GFA

Try again

Where was that 'right'...link to the document please. If you had an Irish passport it was because our government gave it to you under our constitution.

Where in writing did the British give the right?

markodaly

Edgware wrote: »

It justs shows the type of ***** that there are in Sinn Fein. They are trying to say that a poor woman who lost both legs in one of their sectarian bombings should not get compensation unless one of their dirtbirds who blew himself up with his own bomb gets it

The clue is in the name, victims compensation.

In the SF world, the bomber and child killer is entitled to the same as an innocent bystander. That is the sick world SF live in and they used their position in the assembly to block this.


Until a judge has declared they were acting unlawfully.

Sure everyone is a 'good' republican, they moved heaven and earth for that scutter Bobby Storey, a common criminal and an abuser of women.

jm08

markodaly wrote: »

The clue is in the name, victims compensation.

In the SF world, the bomber and child killer is entitled to the same as an innocent bystander. That is the sick world SF live in and they used their position in the assembly to block this.


Until a judge has declared they were acting unlawfully.

Sure everyone is a 'good' republican, they moved heaven and earth for that scutter Bobby Storey, a common criminal and an abuser of women.

From what I understand that there was meant to be no hierarchy of victims a according to what was agreed in the GFA. The British Government changed the legislation so that former paramilitaries would not be compensated, but British Securities forces would be 3ven if they committed illegal acts (like shooting dead of people in Derry on Bloody Sunday).


This is how the British State works. Can't stick to agreements and are untrustworthy. Perfidious Albion at work here.

Truthvader

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where was that 'right'...link to the document please. If you had an Irish passport it was because our government gave it to you under our constitution.

Where in writing did the British give the right?

Still twisting and wriggling. AGAIN what right did the GFA secure that was not available before. Shifting the goalpost to pretend that anyone asked for a "document" is a typical Sinn Fein slippery tactic - particularly when Britain has no written constitution.

You initial point was that the GFA secured the right to dual citizenship. You were caught out on that. The "right" to wear brown shoes, hang out your washing on a Sunday and to watch telly after midnight were all available pre the GFA but are not recited in any document