Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Truthvader

jm08 wrote: »

From what I understand that there was meant to be no hierarchy of victims a according to what was agreed in the GFA. The British Government changed the legislation so that former paramilitaries would not be compensated, but British Securities forces would be 3ven if they committed illegal acts (like shooting dead of people in Derry on Bloody Sunday).


This is how the British State works. Can't stick to agreements and are untrustworthy. Perfidious Albion at work here.

From what every normal person "understands" a scumbag who destroys himself in the act of murdering innocent people is not a "victim". Not aware the murderers in the Parachute regiment were seeking compensation

Edgware

jm08 wrote: »

From what I understand that there was meant to be no hierarchy of victims a according to what was agreed in the GFA. The British Government changed the legislation so that former paramilitaries would not be compensated, but British Securities forces would be 3ven if they committed illegal acts (like shooting dead of people in Derry on Bloody Sunday).


This is how the British State works. Can't stick to agreements and are untrustworthy. Perfidious Albion at work here.

" hierarchy of victims" Typical Blair ****e talk to
get the deal across the line

How is a dirtbird that blows himself up or is shot during an attack a victim?
Mascara Michelle and the rest thought that they could bully the British into forking out more readies to the injured Provo scum.
Not from this Government. No chance

zoobizoo

Edgware wrote: »

" hierarchy of victims"

That's the line spouted by SF constantly.

Other than SF - who else brings this up?


From TD John Brady's facebook page a few years ago:

"Thinking of brave volunteer Ed O'Brien who paid the ultimate sacrifice for Irish Freedom on this day in 1996. Its (sic) hard to believe its (sic) 17 years since you left us, although you are gone, you will never be forgotten and we will realise the Republic that you fought for".

Now, Ed O'Brien blew himself up while carrying an explosive device on a bus in London.

From Wiki: "During a police search of his London address 15 kg of semtex, 20 timers, 4 detonators and ammunition for a 9mm Walther revolver were discovered, along with an incendiary device. The Walther pistol was discovered on him after his death.[2][6] The inquest into his death heard that O'Brien was likely responsible for a planting a similar bomb in a London telephone box on 15 February, but it was later deactivated by the police.[2]"

"two passengers and the driver (left permanently deaf) were injured in the explosion"

Try to work out that hierarchy!

markodaly

jm08 wrote: »

From what I understand ..

You understand wrong and the NI courts have ruled on this.

SF have relented and are scurrying away into the night.

jm08

markodaly wrote: »

You understand wrong and the NI courts have ruled on this.

SF have relented and are scurrying away into the night.

They haven't scurried away. They are obeying a court order. The bottom line is that the British Government changed the legislation to suit their agenda.


All that it shows is that the British Gov. doesn't give a ****e about Northern Ireland and what happens to it.

jm08

zoobizoo wrote: »

That's the line spouted by SF constantly.

Other than SF - who else brings this up?

From TD John Brady's facebook page a few years ago:

"Thinking of brave volunteer Ed O'Brien who paid the ultimate sacrifice for Irish Freedom on this day in 1996. Its (sic) hard to believe its (sic) 17 years since you left us, although you are gone, you will never be forgotten and we will realise the Republic that you fought for".

Now, Ed O'Brien blew himself up while carrying an explosive device on a bus in London.

From Wiki: "During a police search of his London address 15 kg of semtex, 20 timers, 4 detonators and ammunition for a 9mm Walther revolver were discovered, along with an incendiary device. The Walther pistol was discovered on him after his death.[2][6] The inquest into his death heard that O'Brien was likely responsible for a planting a similar bomb in a London telephone box on 15 February, but it was later deactivated by the police.[2]"

"two passengers and the driver (left permanently deaf) were injured in the explosion"

Try to work out that hierarchy!

If he is dead, how would he be getting a disability pension?

zoobizoo

jm08 wrote: »

If he is dead, how would he be getting a disability pension?

I didn't mention a pension.


Had he survived with injuries, are SF saying that he would deserve a disability pension similar to the people whose lives he destroyed?

Pity Brady didn't think about those innocent victims before posting.

Edgware

jm08 wrote: »

If he is dead, how would he be getting a disability pension?

"If" The crows spent weeks feeding off his parts blown around London

JohnnyFlash

zoobizoo wrote: »

That's the line spouted by SF constantly.

Other than SF - who else brings this up?


From TD John Brady's facebook page a few years ago:

"Thinking of brave volunteer Ed O'Brien who paid the ultimate sacrifice for Irish Freedom on this day in 1996. Its (sic) hard to believe its (sic) 17 years since you left us, although you are gone, you will never be forgotten and we will realise the Republic that you fought for".

Now, Ed O'Brien blew himself up while carrying an explosive device on a bus in London.

From Wiki: "During a police search of his London address 15 kg of semtex, 20 timers, 4 detonators and ammunition for a 9mm Walther revolver were discovered, along with an incendiary device. The Walther pistol was discovered on him after his death.[2][6] The inquest into his death heard that O'Brien was likely responsible for a planting a similar bomb in a London telephone box on 15 February, but it was later deactivated by the police.[2]"

"two passengers and the driver (left permanently deaf) were injured in the explosion"

Try to work out that hierarchy!

I don't think a lot of people realise the type of Republic the Shinners are angling for. They seem to think it just involves sticking on the 6 counties and continuing as normal. That isn't what they advocate. You won't hear them speak about it much, but what they want is to completely disband the current Irish Republic, and create a new 32 county socialist republic with a new constitution.



Like how you don't hear the Socialist Party admitting their eventual goal is a pan-island Trotskyite communist state with the leadership calling the shots for the workers paradise from London.

jm08

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I don't think a lot of people realise the type of Republic the Shinners are angling for. They seem to think it just involves sticking on the 6 counties and continuing as normal. That isn't what they advocate. You won't hear them speak about it much, but what they want is to completely disband the current Irish Republic, and create a new 32 county socialist republic with a new constitution.

Like how you don't hear the Socialist Party admitting their eventual goal is a pan-island Trotskyite communist state with the leadership calling the shots for the workers paradise from London.

And you know this how? Whats with the New Constitution. Do the citizens of this new republic get to approve it in a referendum and is it going to be a communist state with Mary Lou as dictator?

FrancieBrady

jm08 wrote: »

And you know this how? Whats with the New Constitution. Do the citizens of this new republic get to approve it in a referendum are is it going to be a communist state with a Mary Lou as dictator?

Communities will be made to live in fear of overlords until they agree to vote for the new constitution...doncha know?

jm08

zoobizoo wrote: »

I didn't mention a pension.

Had he survived with injuries, are SF saying that he would deserve a disability pension similar to the people whose lives he destroyed?

Pity Brady didn't think about those innocent victims before posting.

Apologies, I thought you were joining in the debate about the pensions for people injured in the troubles and not going off on another pointless rant.

zoobizoo

jm08 wrote: »

Apologies, I thought you were joining in the debate about the pensions for people injured in the troubles and not going off on another pointless rant.

Where's the rant?

No need to apologise.

gormdubhgorm

SF must be laughing thier heads off at the moment, and with some justification.

1) SF avoid any real repercussions from lack of social distancing in the Bobby Storey funeral

2) Most of SF and its demographic would NOT be the types to play golf

3) We even had David Cullinane of SF criticizing the oireachteas golf gathering (with irony given his GE carry on) that political reps should be held accountable for thier actions. Made me laugh.

SF are at a real advantage here. They know all other parties and individuals (except SF) are held to a certain standard by the public. Others (except SF) have to be law abiding in public office. Upstanding citizens or else they are gone.
It really stands out.

Interesting to see how SF play it from here, they only need to keep thier ball on the fairway at the moment.

tikkahunter

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

SF must be laughing thier heads off at the moment, and with some justification.

1) SF avoid any real repercussions from lack of social distancing in the Bobby Storey funeral

2) Most of SF and its demographic would NOT be the types to play golf

3) We even had David Cullinane of SF criticizing the oireachteas golf gathering (with irony given his GE carry on) that political reps should be held accountable for thier actions. Made me laugh.

SF are at a real advantage here. They know all other parties and individuals (except SF) are held to a certain standard by the public. Others (except SF) have to be law abiding in public office. Upstanding citizens or else they are gone.
It really stands out.

Interesting to see how SF play it from here, they only need to keep thier ball on the fairway at the moment.

One of their councilors went to lanzarote as well - not a word of it from them or in here for that matter.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-apologises-over-lanzarote-holiday-39470068.html

McMurphy

tikkahunter wrote: »

One of their councilors went to lanzarote as well - not a word of it from them or in here for that matter.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-councillor-apologises-over-lanzarote-holiday-39470068.html

While I think it was incredibly silly to go off to the Canaries (or anywhere else really) at the minute, if she has adhered to the self isolation guidelines on her return there's not really a lot they can say about it to her.

It's not in the same ballpark as what happened in Clifden, guidelines v regulations, the Gards are investigating the Clifden event should give you the helpful hint you need to spot the difference.

I know this is a difficult time for some, but some perspective is required lads.

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

While I think it was incredibly silly to go off to the Canaries (or anywhere else really) at the minute, if she has adhered to the self isolation guidelines on her return there's not really a lot they can say about it to her.

It's not in the same ballpark as what happened in Clifden, guidelines v regulations, the Gards are investigating the Clifden event should give you the helpful hint you need to spot the difference.

I know this is a difficult time for some, but some perspective is required lads.

Yes, SF Phil, we know it is different. SF councillors can breach guidelines and not get any punishment, but the chairperson of Failte Ireland must resign for the same offence.

Transparent nauseating hypocrisy.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, SF Phil, we know it is different. SF councillors can breach guidelines and not get any punishment, but the chairperson of Failte Ireland must resign for the same offence.

Transparent nauseating hypocrisy.

The chairman of Failte Ireland who had been spearheading a "staycation" campaign, and then was caught buggering off to Italy V a lowly councillor from Monaghan no-one (including yourself I bet) ever heard of before? Yeah that's a fair comparison.

gormdubhgorm

McMurphy wrote: »

The chairman of Failte Ireland who had been spearheading a "staycation" campaign, and then was caught buggering off to Italy V a lowly councillor from Monaghan no-one (including yourself I bet) ever heard of before? Yeah that's a fair comparison.

So because a person in the public eye and another is not as well known as other politicians it excuses such behaviour does it?

Real irony is with SF that there are many not in the public consciousness 'behind the scenes' who when they die are referred to as 'Good Republicans' aka Bobby Storey.
But when a SF Councillor breaks covid19 regulations - 'ah sure no one heard of her before anyway' its grand! Talk about having your cake and eating it!

I assume you were sniggering away to yourself when you wrote the post?

blanch152

McMurphy wrote: »

The chairman of Failte Ireland who had been spearheading a "staycation" campaign, and then was caught buggering off to Italy V a lowly councillor from Monaghan no-one (including yourself I bet) ever heard of before? Yeah that's a fair comparison.

Donie Cassidy, a man I never liked, but fair play to him, a retired, out of the public eye nonentity, and he did the right thing, but once again, double standards for Sinn Fein, Brazen predictable hypocrisy from the usual sources.

McMurphy

blanch152 wrote: »

Donie Cassidy, a man I never liked, but fair play to him, a retired, out of the public eye nonentity, and he did the right thing, but once again, double standards for Sinn Fein, Brazen predictable hypocrisy from the usual sources.

Donie Cassidy broke regulations, not guidelines so hardly a fair comparison. I really couldn't give a fiddler's fart whether or not you like him, and am confused why you felt the need to tell me tbh.

But have a go at this one, Charlie Flanagan/Frank Feighan were both in attendance at Garda Horkans funeral where mourners could be seen ignoring social distancing guidelines.



Do you think Charlie or Frank should resign from their roles within their party's for ignoring the guidelines and if not why not.

Chiparus

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

SF must be laughing thier heads off at the moment, and with some justification.

1) SF avoid any real repercussions from lack of social distancing in the Bobby Storey funeral

2) Most of SF and its demographic would NOT be the types to play golf

3) We even had David Cullinane of SF criticizing the oireachteas golf gathering (with irony given his GE carry on) that political reps should be held accountable for thier actions. Made me laugh.

SF are at a real advantage here. They know all other parties and individuals (except SF) are held to a certain standard by the public. Others (except SF) have to be law abiding in public office. Upstanding citizens or else they are gone.
It really stands out.

Interesting to see how SF play it from here, they only need to keep thier ball on the fairway at the moment.

You are kidding right?

Michael Lowry
Micheal Martin
Bertie Ahern
Liam Lawlor
Ray Burke
Charlie Haughey

..................I could go on.

gormdubhgorm

Chiparus wrote: »

You are kidding right?

Michael Lowry
Micheal Martin
Bertie Ahern
Liam Lawlor
Ray Burke
Charlie Haughey

..................I could go on.

All you mentioned (except Martin) had to resign at the very least, plus Burke and Lawlor had prison time. Haughey has been disgraced.

I fail to see how you mention Martin - is it just out of mischievousness to have a dig?

My point it is rare that there is normal political repercussions for anyone in SF. Nor is it usual that there critism of a SF member/associate from party members unless you count Paddy Hoolahan.

Paddy a fella who was only in a wet week there. And would not be classed as a 'Good Republican' unlike say Slab Murphy, Liam Adams, or Dessie Ellis. Not a bad word would be said by the SF hierarchy against those 'Good Republicans' wagons are circled.

Can you see the contrast?

gormdubhgorm

McMurphy wrote: »

Donie Cassidy broke regulations, not guidelines so hardly a fair comparison. I really couldn't give a fiddler's fart whether or not you like him, and am confused why you felt the need to tell me tbh.

But have a go at this one, Charlie Flanagan/Frank Feighan were both in attendance at Garda Horkans funeral where mourners could be seen ignoring social distancing guidelines.



Do you think Charlie or Frank should resign from their roles within their party's for ignoring the guidelines and if not why not.

By the way on the government of Ireland website they are reffered to as measures

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/77b6d-statement-on-the-introduction-of-new-measures-to-limit-the-spread-of-covid-19/

SF are great at semantics when it suits.
Much how Gerry says he never was a member of the IRA but he would never 'disassociate' himself from them!
You have learnt well from your OB1Kenobi - Adams....


And they are repeated in the SI regulations

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Would make anyone smile what you are trying to do.

Superfoods

McMurphy wrote: »

The chairman of Failte Ireland who had been spearheading a "staycation" campaign, and then was caught buggering off to Italy V a lowly councillor from Monaghan no-one (including yourself I bet) ever heard of before? Yeah that's a fair comparison.

Same crime, same punishment

Sinn Fein are doing themselves damage by ignoring it

Chiparus

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

All you mentioned (except Martin) had to resign at the very least, plus Burke and Lawlor had prison time. Haughey has been disgraced.

I fail to see how you mention Martin - is it just out of mischievousness to have a dig?

My point it is rare that there is normal political repercussions for anyone in SF. Nor is it usual that there critism of a SF member/associate from party members unless you count Paddy Hoolahan.

Paddy a fella who was only in a wet week there. And would not be classed as a 'Good Republican' unlike say Slab Murphy, Liam Adams, or Dessie Ellis. Not a bad word would be said by the SF hierarchy against those 'Good Republicans' wagons are circled.

Can you see the contrast?

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/02/06/a-house-by-the-sea/

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/02/11/so-why-did-that-money-end-up-in-your-wifes-account-mr-martin/

Wake up .

McMurphy

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

By the way on the government of Ireland website they are reffered to as measures

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/77b6d-statement-on-the-introduction-of-new-measures-to-limit-the-spread-of-covid-19/

SF are great at semantics when it suits.
Much how Gerry says he never was a member of the IRA but he would never 'disassociate' himself from them!
You have learnt well from your OB1Kenobi - Adams....


And they are repeated in the SI regulations

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Would make anyone smile what you are trying to do.

..

markodaly

Ah, the classic SF defence.

Never admit they were wrong, and try and deflect all the time.

blackwhite

I don't remember Garda Horkan's funeral taking a detour between the church and final resting place in order to facilitate a political rally that used his coffin as a prop


And SF's cheerleaders on here claim that it's their critics who try to "politicise" a funeral :pac:

jay1988

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, the classic SF defence.

Never admit they were wrong, and try and deflect all the time.

Ah the classic FF/FG defence when they've been caught out doing something they shouldn't "but, but, Sinn Fein something, something"