Is it just me or have SF vanished?

CtevenSrowder

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have given votes to all the major parties over the years, never Eirigi.

Fair enough. I had you down as a die in the wool Sinn Feiner. Nothing wrong with that, just surprised you'd never voted for them before the last GE.

Runaways

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Where you see that?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/30/cuomo-says-ventilators-cost-50000-up-from-20000-as-states-compete-for-the-devices/

aido79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It wasn't a case of 'not believing'. I simply pay no attention to promises.

I made my choice based on who I believed would deliver fair and balanced government.

I might also say, I don't think any of them are fit to govern on their own for varying reasons.

Who would be your preferred fair and balanced government?

FrancieBrady

aido79 wrote: »

Who would be your preferred fair and balanced government?

I'd have liked to have seen SF/FF in for a while with maybe the Greens in there.

aido79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd have liked to have seen SF/FF in for a while with maybe the Greens in there.

Can you imagine trying to pick a Taoiseach from that mix�

FrancieBrady

aido79 wrote: »

Can you imagine trying to pick a Taoiseach from that mix�

Funny, the only person on this planet I would begrudge the Taoiseach job to is Michael Martin.
I thought he'd fall on his sword actually as things were playing out. C-19 put a stop to that dream.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Funny, the only person on this planet I would begrudge the Taoiseach job to is Michael Martin.
I thought he'd fall on his sword actually as things were playing out. C-19 put a stop to that dream.

IN reality unless another election Michael Martin will be the next taoiseach....

blanch152

Runaways wrote: »

Ventilators just went from $20,000 to $50,000

Boy that capitalism sure is pricey if you like breathing. Or healthcare in general.

Did you see that on Twitter or Facebook?

Or is it just the latest allegation?

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

IN reality unless another election Michael Martin will be the next taoiseach....

I have no doubt that if the price is right and somebody else tends the windows boxes that Eamonn Ryan will anoint him alright.

Although Ryan seems to be aware (or at least his party are) that getting into bed with BOTH FG and FF could end it for the Greens,

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have no doubt that if the price is right and somebody else tends the windows boxes that Eamonn Ryan will anoint him alright.

Although Ryan seems to be aware (or at least his party are) that getting into bed with BOTH FG and FF could end it for the Greens,

I ask again, did you list to the point Ryan made? or just read the headline?

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I ask again, did you list to the point Ryan made? or just read the headline?

I listened to the speech he said it in..live...never again.

aido79

aido79 wrote: »

It's a big step into reality going from the opposition benches into government as it is very easy to criticise a government when you're not the one making the hard decisions and getting the figures to add up. Big ideas always need to be followed up with details and I most parties in opposition are guilty of criticising the party in power when they know they themselves wouldn't do much better if they were given the opportunity to have a go at making things better

One thing is for sure though. Sinn Fein's manifesto has gotten a severe dose of coronavirus and is currently somewhere between life support and the cemetery. Their promises are worth nothing after this is over.

Their promises were worth nothing anyhow, tbh.

The sad reality is most of the serious problems Ireland faces are deeply entrenched. If they had easy solutions we would have used them by now.

What is interesting though is we know SF's politics don't work. West Belfast is one of the poorest places in Europe after years of their "governance". Their track record in NI in terms of actual governance is pretty poor (high state dependant employment, high homelessness, long waiting lists in the NHS, high suicide rate etc)

People who vote for SF expecting any sort of economic success (or, tbh, social cohesion) doesn't appear to be voting rationally.

Runaways

blanch152 wrote: »

Did you see that on Twitter or Facebook?

Or is it just the latest allegation?

Forbes actually. Governor Cuomo. Small state called New York. You might have heard of it

Ffs
Blanch read before posting


https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/30/cuomo-says-ventilators-cost-50000-up-from-20000-as-states-compete-for-the-devices/

Stark

It annoys me when people present it as a dichotomy of "left-wing/socialist good, right-wing/capitalism bad" or vica versa.

The increase in ventilator prices is down to Trump's ****wittery making states compete against each other for ventilators despite them all being part of the same country. Not just a capitalism vs socialism issue.

Stark

Stark wrote: »

It annoys me when people present it as a dichotomy of "left-wing/socialist good, right-wing/capitalism bad" or vica versa.

The increase in ventilator prices is down to Trump's ****wittery making states compete against each other for ventilators despite them all being part of the same country. Not just a capitalism vs socialism issue.

Indeed, a large medical device company in Galway (medtronic) just released their patents for ventilators for open source. That's an astonishing step for a capitalist company to make.

Shefwedfan

It’s hard to quantify why the increase in price, I found another article which mentioned a small company made them and they would have to scale
Up to keep up with demand, so probably new equipment, new offices etc....Someone has to pay for it and because of the stupidity of Trump let him pay

Mrfacts

Would it not be common sense to use the Apple tax money and level us out. Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures. It should at least be debated. If FF/FG took it in the first place instead of refusing it and dragging it through the courts. We would be in a much better position. Now they even have the brass neck to say they will talking with everyone except SF the arrogance is dispiciable, no wonder they won't talk with SF as they are the only party with the scruples to even bring up this issue with them.

Shefwedfan

Mrfacts wrote: »

Would it not be common sense to use the Apple tax money and level us out. Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures. It should at least be debated. If FF/FG took it in the first place instead of refusing it and dragging it through the courts. We would be in a much better position. Now they even have the brass neck to say they will talking with everyone except SF the arrogance is dispiciable, no wonder they won't talk with SF as they are the only party with the scruples to even bring up this issue with them.

How much is the Apple money?

Mrfacts

Mrfacts wrote: »

Would it not be common sense to use the Apple tax money and level us out. Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures. It should at least be debated. If FF/FG took it in the first place instead of refusing it and dragging it through the courts. We would be in a much better position. Now they even have the brass neck to say they will talking with everyone except SF the arrogance is dispiciable, no wonder they won't talk with SF as they are the only party with the scruples to even bring up this issue with them.

That 13 billion, even if we were to claim it, would have to be divided between the other 27 (at the time) EU member states. Most of it would go to the larger countries where Apple had most sales, afaik. If we did touch it, we would be allowing the EU a say in our tax affairs, so it's a potential minor gain for long terms loss.

SF, if they are to be consistent, will never let the EU meddle in our taxes as to do so would be ceding further power to the EU. Course, SF are an inconsistent party, so they will go with whatever way the wind is blowing.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It’s hard to quantify why the increase in price, I found another article which mentioned a small company made them and they would have to scale
Up to keep up with demand, so probably new equipment, new offices etc....Someone has to pay for it and because of the stupidity of Trump let him pay

There is also the opportunity costs of transferring production. Presumably whatever the company was originally making was profitable (or they wouldn't make it). Every ventilator they make means they have less capacity to make whatever it is they already made. Obviously, in times of national crisis, these shouldn't be considerations, but Trump, for his own weird reasons, refused to give the orders allowing companies transfer production on a war time basis. Companies can only be altruistic to a point.

blanch152

Mrfacts wrote: »

Would it not be common sense to use the Apple tax money and level us out. Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures. It should at least be debated. If FF/FG took it in the first place instead of refusing it and dragging it through the courts. We would be in a much better position. Now they even have the brass neck to say they will talking with everyone except SF the arrogance is dispiciable, no wonder they won't talk with SF as they are the only party with the scruples to even bring up this issue with them.

Last year we took in €10.9 billion in corporation tax.

The Apple money was around €13billion, just over 1 years take. Now if we had done what you said, and multinationals upped and left Ireland because they could no longer rely on our taxation bona fixes, we would have lost €6-7 billion of that corporation tax, another couple of billion on income tax and the guts of another billion to be spent on social welfare, not to mention VAT and trickle down in the economy. We would have been worse off within 18 months.

tikkahunter

blanch152 wrote: »

Last year we took in €10.9 billion in corporation tax.

The Apple money was around €13billion, just over 1 years take. Now if we had done what you said, and multinationals upped and left Ireland because they could no longer rely on our taxation bona fixes, we would have lost €6-7 billion of that corporation tax, another couple of billion on income tax and the guts of another billion to be spent on social welfare, not to mention VAT and trickle down in the economy. We would have been worse off within 18 months.

I have worked for multinationals for the past 22 years , i have also been made redundant by them. What these SF loons seem to fail to understand is that as soon as the shareholders feel any pinch then bang stroke of an accountants pen and your gone. Look at All the multinationals in Dublin alone , your talking 20,000 directly out of work then all the local businesses and suppliers go with them . Its not rocket science they are here to pay less tax and the upshot of that is massive employment for the country.

Eamonn8448

tikkahunter wrote: »

I have worked for multinationals for the past 22 years , i have also been made redundant by them. What these SF loons seem to fail to understand is that as soon as the shareholders feel any pinch then bang stroke of an accountants pen and your gone. Look at All the multinationals in Dublin alone , your talking 20,000 directly out of work then all the local businesses and suppliers go with them . Its not rocket science they are here to pay less tax and the upshot of that is massive employment for the country.

What you "loons" fail to understand is one time SF stood up for the ordinary man/woman , fought you self entitled brats , look at the crash in 2008 and tell me was it us ordinary hard working folk who caused it or God forbid the likes of you folk , i dont support SF no more but i ****ing dare you come call me a loon to my face and your opinion can go with your nose , all the likes of you are good for is cheap potshots , people want change - probably makes the likes of you uncomfortable. before you go on a rant ,them were real bullets where i was and we will go again if the situation demands it , personally twats like you are a waste of a bullet and again i state i do not vote or support SF

tikkahunter

Eamonn8448 wrote: »

What you "loons" fail to understand is one time SF stood up for the ordinary man/woman , fought you self entitled brats , look at the crash in 2008 and tell me was it us ordinary hard working folk who caused it or God forbid the likes of you folk , i dont support SF no more but i ****ing dare you come call me a loon to my face and your opinion can go with your nose , all the likes of you are good for is cheap potshots , people want change - probably makes the likes of you uncomfortable. before you go on a rant ,them were real bullets where i was and we will go again if the situation demands it , personally twats like you are a waste of a bullet and again i state i do not vote or support SF

On grandpas cough medicine???

Eamonn8448

tikkahunter wrote: »

On grandpas cough medicine???

my grandfather is long dead and he played his part too , one day lad smart arses like you shall get their just deserts , its a small island !

tikkahunter

Eamonn8448 wrote: »

my grandfather is long dead and he played his part too , one day lad smart arses like you shall get their just deserts , its a small island !

Go read my post again and maybe have a think before you go making threats again while locked . Ranting like an aul dipso down the pub.

Sultan_of_Ping

Mrfacts wrote: »

Would it not be common sense to use the Apple tax money and level us out. Exceptional circumstances call for exceptional measures. It should at least be debated. If FF/FG took it in the first place instead of refusing it and dragging it through the courts. We would be in a much better position. Now they even have the brass neck to say they will talking with everyone except SF the arrogance is dispiciable, no wonder they won't talk with SF as they are the only party with the scruples to even bring up this issue with them.

Why is it that some people have such a tough time understanding the principle of escrow? The money is not there to be taken......it's outside our power and jurisdiction to do so. It's also, if the case goes against us, not all going to be ours.

And the court case was important for the simple reason that it'll sort out what role, if any, the Commission have in setting/influencing Member States' tax policy - an important and wide ranging point, but as usual SF suggest very complex problems have very simple solutions and people swallow their nonsense.

Shefwedfan

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Why is it that some people have such a tough time understanding the principle of escrow? The money is not there to be taken......it's outside our power and jurisdiction to do so. It's also, if the case goes against us, not all going to be ours.

And the court case was important for the simple reason that it'll sort out what role, if any, the Commission have in setting/influencing Member States' tax policy - an important and wide ranging point, but as usual SF suggest very complex problems have very simple solutions and people swallow their nonsense.

They don’t understand and then you have gobsh*ts likeMary Lou going on about it, either she is too thick to understand the details or she thinks the public is too thick to understand

Either not a great trait for a so called potential Taoiseach

Nitrogan

The US has Trump fans, the UK has Brexiters and Ireland has Sinn Feiners.

Every country has them unfortunately. Next time someone's going on about how great our education system is take a look at how many people voted for SF in the last election. That's a damning failure of the system, especially as we don't hold back in calling Americans thick for voting for Trump.

Runaways

Nitrogan wrote: »

The US has Trump fans, the UK has Brexiters and Ireland has Sinn Feiners.

Every country has them unfortunately. Next time someone's going on about how great our education system is take a look at how many people voted for SF in the last election. That's a damning failure of the system, especially as we don't hold back in calling Americans thick for voting for Trump.

That’s up for the most ridiculous daily mail bs post of the year. Well done.



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