Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Runaways

I know a few people in Fg locally. None in FF. But the thinking is nobody wants near government for the aftermath. I’d say that’s a common thought throughout both parties.

SF might just be the ideal party going by the fears expressed here.

In any recession the correct thing to do is government spend like crazy on all fronts to right the wheel and it always works.

We never seemed to learn that here.

Might be time for it.

joeguevara

Runaways wrote: »

Wasn’t aware of that thank you.
Not being able to afford the rent or market rate and escalating rents do happen despite the RPZ rules. I live in stoneybatter in D7 trust me. I’ve seen it going mental and continues to despite there being law against it. Seats to say it is in all urban areas.

They could and should have tackled it. Mortgage interest rates aren’t rising. Landlords are just being greedy and herd mentality ‘well everyone else is doing it’
That’s all there is to it.

Existing properties can’t escalate their prices more than 4% and easy to check on PRTB sites, unless major renovations. New properties coming on can charge market rates. Stoneybatter is one of the most sought after areas in inner city. I do agree that rents are high and it is a huge burden on people. But the proposal to put a rent freeze won’t help and has been shown in previous link can cause rents to increase and reduction of supply.

Runaways

joeguevara wrote: »

Existing properties can’t escalate their prices more than 4% and easy to check on PRTB sites, unless major renovations. New properties coming on can charge market rates. Stoneybatter is one of the most sought after areas in inner city. I do agree that rents are high and it is a huge burden on people. But the proposal to put a rent freeze won’t help and has been shown in previous link can cause rents to increase and reduction of supply.

I hear you but I’m telling you just cos there’s RPZ rules in place does not mean they’re being adhered to. They’re really not. I’ve had mates in Smithfield evicted for nonsense made up reasons (landlord wants family member to move in being the most frequent and really only legitimate way to evict cleanly) only to see the very same apartment appear on daft days after they’ve left at a massive mark up. This isn’t suddenly it’s been happening to the last few years! So i know this area isn’t a paradigm but it probably is for all urban centers

threeball

Runaways wrote: »

I hear you but I’m telling you just cos there’s RPZ rules in place does not mean they’re being adhered to. They’re really not. I’ve had mates in Smithfield evicted for nonsense made up reasons (landlord wants family member to move in being the most frequent and really only legitimate way to evict cleanly) only to see the very same apartment appear on daft days after they’ve left at a massive mark up. This isn’t suddenly it’s been happening to the last few years! So i know this area isn’t a paradigm but it probably is for all urban centers

If thats the case report them. The laws are there, you hardly expect the government to come knocking on a landlords door after reading the rentals section on daft.

FrancieBrady

I don't get and have never got the idea of 'stepping up to govern, no matter what'.

To me anyone who says they wouldn't touch a government with 57 varieties of independents with a barge pole is doing the correct thing.

If an election is not conclusive, the correct thing to do is go again, it is the most stable and probably the cheapest thing to do in the long run.

And forming a government should be time-limited.
Party's huffing and puffing trying to see what way the land lies or trying to manipulate outcomes should be discouraged from doing it.
The age of cute hoorism should be put behind us.

joeguevara

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't get and have never got the idea of 'stepping up to govern, no matter what'.

To me anyone who says they wouldn't touch a government with 57 varieties of independents with a barge pole is doing the correct thing.

If an election is not conclusive, the correct thing to do is go again, it is the most stable and probably the cheapest thing to do in the long run.

And forming a government should be time-limited.
Party's huffing and puffing trying to see what way the land lies or trying to manipulate outcomes should be discouraged from doing it.
The age of cute hoorism should be put behind us.

But why exaggerate when it’s not the case. Every Sinn Fein supporter has been saying that FF and FG are identical. The nine regional independents would be FF or FG if they had to claim a party. So basically according to every SF supporter you have a stable government with all the same outlook.

FrancieBrady

joeguevara wrote: »

But why exaggerate when it’s not the case. Every Sinn Fein supporter has been saying that FF and FG are identical. The nine regional independents would be FF or FG if they had to claim a party. So basically according to every SF supporter you have a stable government with all the same outlook.

And the people who see Independents as a waste of a vote because they are essentially there to look for favoritism for one issue or region would disagree.

I am not 'exageratting'.

A government made up of many different views is inherently more unstable.

Also the issue of a time limited, no cute hoorism, no game playing process.

'Here's the lie of the land after the election...what do you propose to do?'

1, 'We are happy to go into opposition' - 'Ok, off you go'.

2. 'We want time to talk to X, Y, Z about forming a government'. - 'Ok you have a calendar month to do it'.

Runaways

None of them want in government to deal with the aftermath and having to make serious cuts and hard calls. I think that’s apparent to all of us.

Edgware

joeguevara wrote: »

But why exaggerate when it’s not the case. Every Sinn Fein supporter has been saying that FF and FG are identical. The nine regional independents would be FF or FG if they had to claim a party. So basically according to every SF supporter you have a stable government with all the same outlook.

Do you seriously think an election will give us a party with a majority?
We will still have FF FG and SF perhaps with different seat numbers.
Parties completely correct if they dont want to deal with any other particular party.

Runaways

Edgware wrote: »

Do you serioysly think an election will give us a party with a majority?
We will still have FF FG and SF perhaps with different seat numbers.
Parties completely correct if they dont want to deal with any other particular party.

Now is not the time for that nonsense but here we are.
A serious crisis calls for national interest first. Not petty childish squabbles ‘I’m not playing with them’
They’re all going to face the music when it comes to it.

joeguevara

joeguevara wrote: »

But why exaggerate when it’s not the case. Every Sinn Fein supporter has been saying that FF and FG are identical. The nine regional independents would be FF or FG if they had to claim a party. So basically according to every SF supporter you have a stable government with all the same outlook.

But all is going to happen is SF are going to dismantle their support base on a local level and take at least 5 or 6 of those seats??

Like i know lads might not be keen on SF in government,but it shows a large amount of political.naiviety on behalf of martin and varadkar,not to put them.into minister offices and strave the beast,

Let SF carry the can then for poor performance due to lack of funds (though i suspect mary-lou would be too astute to let this happen and would walk out??)

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

But all is going to happen is SF are going to dismantle their support base on a local level and take at least 5 or 6 of those seats??

Like i know lads might not be keen on SF in government,but it shows a large amount of political.naiviety on behalf of martin and varadkar,not to put them.into minister offices and strave the beast,

Let SF carry the can then for poor performance due to lack of funds (though i suspect mary-lou would be too astute to let this happen and would walk out??)

No about turn would work now.

FF/FG might be stupid enough to try and put SF in now, but that would be as transparent as the 'we want to go into opposition' cute hoorism was.

Runaways

The refusal to take questions now is worrying.
Where even are they? You can piss and moan about SF in the papers or on radio.

FG and Leo in particular nowhere to be seen

joeguevara

Edgware wrote: »

Do you serioysly think an election will give us a party with a majority?
We will still have FF FG and SF perhaps with different seat numbers.
Parties completely correct if they dont want to deal with any other particular party.

I never said that and actually the opposite. I said no need for an election and ff FG and the 9 independents would be pretty stable

is_that_so

Runaways wrote: »

The refusal to take questions now is worrying.
Where even are they? You can piss and moan about SF in the papers or on radio.

FG and Leo in particular nowhere to be seen

They are not supposed to be, just NEPHT/CMO team. All the government do at present is provide more details on what they are being advised. Any new government would be no different in their visibility for now. The financial/social aspect has been addressed for now, with the approval of all other parties. Varadkar has said they are all being kept apart from each other.

joeguevara

joeguevara wrote: »

I never said that and actually the opposite. I said no need for an election and ff FG and the 9 independents would be pretty stable

Can't see any of them wanting another election anyhow.

SF's support could easily be back to their local election levels by May. FG look tired and FF need to replace Martin.

FF, despite the perception on here are actually in fairly strong health at grassroots but don't think Martin can translate that into TD's.

is_that_so

joeguevara wrote: »

I never said that and actually the opposite. I said no need for an election and ff FG and the 9 independents would be pretty stable

The current circumstances suggest it might but there is no harm in adding an extra political block to that.

joeguevara

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And the people who see Independents as a waste of a vote because they are essentially there to look for favoritism for one issue or region would disagree.

I am not 'exageratting'.

A government made up of many different views is inherently more unstable.

Also the issue of a time limited, no cute hoorism, no game playing process.

'Here's the lie of the land after the election...what do you propose to do?'

1, 'We are happy to go into opposition' - 'Ok, off you go'.

2. 'We want time to talk to X, Y, Z about forming a government'. - 'Ok you have a calendar month to do it'.

All the independents received enough votes to be elected. Of course they have affinity with their constituency but so does every politician.

FF and FG said they will have a government document early next week and looking for a third part. The Indepentents seem ready to commit and are well known to both parties.

I don’t know where you came up with the calendar month from. Also there won’t be an opportunity for another election for a good while. Why you putting them under so much pressure. It will happen.

Sultan_of_Ping

Runaways wrote: »

The refusal to take questions now is worrying.
Where even are they? You can piss and moan about SF in the papers or on radio.

FG and Leo in particular nowhere to be seen

So people are complaining about Varadkar doing photo-ops, and now are complaining about him being nowhere to be seen?

Which is it lads?

FrancieBrady

joeguevara wrote: »

All the independents received enough votes to be elected. Of course they have affinity with their constituency but so does every politician.

FF and FG said they will have a government document early next week and looking for a third part. The Indepentents seem ready to commit and are well known to both parties.

I don’t know where you came up with the calendar month from. Also there won’t be an opportunity for another election for a good while. Why you putting them under so much pressure. It will happen.

They are 'independents' for a reason. Namely, that they cannot survive politically 'in' a party.

One or two of them maybe...but the more you have the more unstable things become. Not to mention, the more it costs to maintain/keep them onside. More 'Shame Ross parish pump shennanigans that only belittles politics'.

Instead of getting rid of cute hoorism, you are endorsing and encouraging it.

The 'month' was just to propose the idea of some fixed time constraints to focus minds.

Runaways

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So people are complaining about Varadkar doing photo-ops, and now are complaining about him being nowhere to be seen?

Which is it lads?

If you don’t see he difference between appallingly timed photo ops and being seen to lead and informing and leveling with the country I can’t help you.

Fact is he can’t do that. He needs a script.

His fanboy letter to Kylie was more sincere and heartfelt than that handdryer impression speech he gave couple of weeks back but at least that was something. If he had sense he’d be doing one a week and at least be seen to be in touch with it and us. No doubt he’d get crap for it too but it would be something

Sultan_of_Ping

Runaways wrote: »

If you don’t see he difference between appallingly timed photo ops and being seen to lead and informing and leveling with the country I can’t help you.

Fact is he can’t do that. He needs a script.

His fanboy letter to Kylie was more sincere and heartfelt than that handdryer impression speech he gave couple of weeks back but at least that was something. If he had sense he’d be doing one a week and at least be seen to be in touch with it and us. No doubt he’d get crap for it too but it would be something

So you are appalled by Varadkar being visible, being seen to be out connecting with frontline operations.......

.......but not appalled by McDinald's support for kangaroo courts and "decent" people who killed and maimed by the score?

In your view, this is not appalling?



But this is......

FrancieBrady

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So you are appalled by Varadkar being visible, being seen to be out connecting with frontline operations.......

.......but not appalled by McDinald's support for kangaroo courts and "decent" people who killed and maimed by the score?

Did you fall for the PR stunt of Simon Harris doing a presser with his shirt sleeves rolled up?
He has gotten to the stage of playing the exhausted hero I am waiting for him to start mopping the sweat from his brow.

By the way, is anybody searching out what Leo believed 20 years ago and waving it around like it was still relevant?

Ballso

Take a few hours off Francie you sad ****

FrancieBrady

Ballso wrote: »

Take a few hours off Francie you sad ****

I'm in the garden...wish I could, but spring onions don't plant themselves.

What has you so vitriolic this AM..wrong side of the bed too?

Tokyo

Ballso wrote: »

Take a few hours off Francie you sad ****

Mod: Personal abuse won't be tolerated. Don't post in the thread again.

Sultan_of_Ping

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you fall for the PR stunt of Simon Harris doing a presser with his shirt sleeves rolled up?
He has gotten to the stage of playing the exhausted hero I am waiting for him to start mopping the sweat from his brow.

By the way, is anybody searching out what Leo believed 20 years ago and waving it around like it was still relevant?

No, but why don't you?

And you don't have to go back 20 years to find photos that are not appalling when it comes to SF



Btw, it's less than 20 years since McDonald spoke alongside former IRA Chief of Staff Brian Keenan, at a ceremony eulogising the Second World War IRA Nazi sympathiser and Nazi collaborator, the then IRA Chief of Staff Sean Russell.

Keenan was behind the kidnap and subsequent murder of the Managing Director of Grundig in Belfast, Thomas Niedermayer. He was beaten to death, dumped in a shallow, and it was years before his body was found. His wife and two daughters subsequently committed suicide.

But in SF's view that's not appalling - but a photo op, even if it's ill timed and self-aggrandising, is????

And you wonder why no one wants to share power with you?

Suckit

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

No, but why don't you?

And you don't have to go back 20 years to find photos that are not appalling when it comes to SF

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/former-priest-who-embezzled-63-000-running-for-fine-gael-1.3894893

Former priest who embezzled £63,000 running for Fine Gael

Kildare local election candidate pleaded guilty to fraud charges in mid-1990s

Or are we being selective with the crimes here?
That was without even really thinking.

There are a lot more.

all about the mane

Quick...look over there!

Sultan_of_Ping

Suckit wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/former-priest-who-embezzled-63-000-running-for-fine-gael-1.3894893





Or are we being selective with the crimes here?

I'm unclear, was the priest a member of a political party and/or did they inflict bodily harm on anyone?

And yes, the criminal law is selective - this isn't kangaroo justice, the law treats crimes against property as completely different to crimes against people - because, most people would regard inflicting life-changing injuries, grevious harm, or death on someone as completely different to depriving someone of property.

If someone can't see the difference then maybe, yes, SF is definitely the party for them.