Is it just me or have SF vanished?

christy c

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I was looking there and it is hard to find...what are the stats on testing currently does anyone know?

It was on the main Covid 19 thread but can't recall where. Easier get answers to this type of thing there as this and the FG thread is mainly about point scoring.

Phoebas

smurgen wrote: »

Oh oh oh. Wasn't the Spin Unit telling us that a global lack of reagents was the reason our testing was down? Lads looking like yer gonna have to have an emergency meeting tonight.

You must understand that when they say that Ireland is the second largest exporter of reagents, this doesn't mean that the Irish state is exporting reagents.
These are private companies with contracts to supply reagents abroad so we don't have any particular claim on them ... unless you'd like to start appropriating private property.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You guys have been trying to shut down discussion on several threads...it is not working and won't work. Sorry for your troubles.

L0l

Btw to answer your question earlier, we're 5th on a list of 15 European countries that report testing numbers according to today's dept of health news conference

Sultan_of_Ping

Ballso wrote: »

Must be difficult to conceptualise complex problems when your professional experience is working in a shop. I guess they feel they need to be in control and projecting here helps them. It's sad really.

I'd suggest they'd take a tour around a plant or two, but if we were as immune to Covid-19 as SF are to facts and information we'd be laughing

I can't imagine they'd not let the realities of the situation get in the way of a simplistic soundbite or the pursuit of a cheap headline.

aido79

smurgen wrote: »

Oh oh oh. Wasn't the Spin Unit telling us that a global lack of reagents was the reason our testing was down? Lads looking like yer gonna have to have an emergency meeting tonight.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1247874606981152772?s=19

Did you even read that article?

This is from the article:

"It said the reagents were used to diagnose other illnesses as tests for Covid-19 were only developed this year. But it said it was "unclear whether or not these products could be used to test for Covid-19'. "

There is more than one type of reagent.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

L0l

Btw to answer your question earlier, we're 5th on a list of 10 European countries that report testing numbers according to today's dept of health news conference

I was looking for 'stats' plural...tests done and results given. hard to find the second figure.

smurgen

aido79 wrote: »

Did you even read that article?

This is from the article:

"It said the reagents were used to diagnose other illnesses as tests for Covid-19 were only developed this year. But it said it was "unclear whether or not these products could be used to test for Covid-19'. "

There is more than one type of reagent.

"The report also noted that Ireland is the fourth largest exporter of medical devices that can be used to treat Covid-19. These include ventilators"

Are you willing to bet that in 17bn worth of sales and with Ireland at the cutting edge of this type of manufacturing that it's not being made here?

smurgen

Phoebas wrote: »

You must understand that when they say that Ireland is the second largest exporter of reagents, this doesn't mean that the Irish state is exporting reagents.
These are private companies with contracts to supply reagents abroad so we don't have any particular claim on them ... unless you'd like to start appropriating private property.

Other countries are doing exactly this. If we'd a taoiseach that's not part timing it on the phones maybe we as host nations to these companies could negotiate a deal?

Phoebas

smurgen wrote: »

Other countries are doing exactly this. If we'd a taoiseach that's not part timing it on the phones maybe we as host nations to these companies could negotiate a deal?

So what is it you want - the government to appropriate private property or the government to negotiate a deal? It can't be both.

It sounds to me that the course you want the government to take is any course that they are not now taking.
A classic Sinn Fein stance.

FrancieBrady

smurgen wrote: »

Other countries are doing exactly this. If we'd a taoiseach that's not part timing it on the phones maybe we as host nations to these companies could negotiate a deal?

The answer to any suggestions seems to be 'ah we can't'.

There was a suggestion put forward by Leo on St. Patrick's Day that 'we are all in this together'...obviously not when it come to businesses operating here. Such faux outrage if anyone makes a suggestion/asks a question.

aido79

smurgen wrote: »

"The report also noted that Ireland is the fourth largest exporter of medical devices that can be used to treat Covid-19. These include ventilators"

Are you willing to bet that in 17bn worth of sales and with Ireland at the cutting edge of this type of manufacturing that it's not being made here?

There has never been such a demand for ventilators before so being the 4th largest exporter of medical devices that can be used to treat covid19 means nothing. For all we know this could mean Ireland exports 50 ventilators a year.

The reagent for covid19 was only developed this year and there is a worldwide shortage so I wouldn't bet that it's being made in Ireland currently. The 17bn worth of sales were for last year so no real relevance.

smurgen

aido79 wrote: »

There has never been such a demand for ventilators before so being the 4th largest exporter of medical devices that can be used to treat covid19 means nothing. For all we know this could mean Ireland exports 50 ventilators a year.

The reagent for covid19 was only developed this year and there is a worldwide shortage so I wouldn't bet that it's being made in Ireland currently. The 17bn worth of sales were for last year so no real relevance.

So you're saying with 17 billion in various reagents you'd wager they're probably not manufacturing the reagent for Covid 19 here now?is this what you're saying?

FrancieBrady

aido79 wrote: »

There has never been such a demand for ventilators before so being the 4th largest exporter of medical devices that can be used to treat covid19 means nothing. For all we know this could mean Ireland exports 50 ventilators a year.

The reagent for covid19 was only developed this year and there is a worldwide shortage so I wouldn't bet that it's being made in Ireland currently. The 17bn worth of sales were for last year so no real relevance.

Should we not know this, in a crisis situation? Why is it being left to journalists to find out?

smurgen

Phoebas wrote: »

So what is it you want - the government to appropriate private property or the government to negotiate a deal? It can't be both.

It sounds to me that the course you want the government to take is any course that they are not now taking.
A classic Sinn Fein stance.

did you read your sentence before your wrong? The course they're taking is to close down testing centers for extended periods of time because of a lack of reagents. They should have been trying to get those by any means possible.it was barely excusable when we thought there was a global shortage now if we know it's actually being manufactured here it's criminal we don't have enough.

aido79

smurgen wrote: »

So you're saying with 17 billion in various reagents you'd wager they're probably not manufacturing the reagent for Covid 19 here now?is this what you're saying?

I would definitely say that in the 17bn in various reagents produced in 2019 not a drop was produced for covid19 testing.

I don't know if they are making the reagent for covid19 testing that was only developed this year. If you know please let us know how you know.

aido79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Should we not know this, in a crisis situation? Why is it being left to journalists to find out?

Should we not know what?

FrancieBrady

aido79 wrote: »

Should we not know what?

For starters, the answer to your own doubts.

The reagent for covid19 was only developed this year and there is a worldwide shortage so I wouldn't bet that it's being made in Ireland currently.

And exactly what is capable of being done and what isn't.

aido79

Anyone got any lysis buffer lying around in their shed that they would be willing to donate to the cause? That's not far from the vibe I get from people thinking the reagent can be just mixed up in any old chemical plant that makes reagents.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/science/irish-scientists-develop-reagent-in-effort-to-ease-covid-19-testing-delays-1.4223897%3fmode=amp

aido79

aido79 wrote: »

Anyone got any lysis buffer lying around in their shed that they would be willing to donate to the cause? That's not far from the vibe I get from people thinking the reagent can be just mixed up in any old chemical plant that makes reagents.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/science/irish-scientists-develop-reagent-in-effort-to-ease-covid-19-testing-delays-1.4223897%3fmode=amp

Genuinely bizarre how far from science some people are. Like depressingly so.

all about the mane

aido79 wrote: »

Anyone got any lysis buffer lying around in their shed that they would be willing to donate to the cause? That's not far from the vibe I get from people thinking the reagent can be just mixed up in any old chemical plant that makes reagents.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/science/irish-scientists-develop-reagent-in-effort-to-ease-covid-19-testing-delays-1.4223897%3fmode=amp

A company in Ireland in conjunction with one of the universities has just produced a large amount of the reagent. Brilliant from them

Sultan_of_Ping

So to be clear, SF think that we can magic up mega-litres of effective testing reagent for an a virus only mapped less than 3 months ago (the SARS-CoV-2 genome was only published on the 12 Jan).

They seem to think pharmaceutical science is like laundering diesel

My only real surprise is that some loon in their party isn't suggesting homeopathic "treatments"!!

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For starters, the answer to your own doubts.



And exactly what is capable of being done and what isn't.

How and why should we know?

Suckit

Mortelaro wrote: »

L0l

Btw to answer your question earlier, we're 5th on a list of 15 European countries that report testing numbers according to today's dept of health news conference

We entered the top ten of coronavirus cases per million last night, way ahead of the UK in terms of cases per capita. After today we are looking at maybe 8th. Rapidly climbing and still weeks away from reaching the target figures for testing of 15,000 per day. Two weeks ago after the DOH changed the testing criteria the figures jumped from 6% to 15%, so undoubtedly those figures will jump again.

FrancieBrady

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So to be clear, SF think that we can magic up mega-litres of effective testing reagent for an a virus only mapped less than 3 months ago (the SARS-CoV-2 genome was only published on the 12 Jan).

They seem to think pharmaceutical science is like laundering diesel

My only real surprise is that some loon in their party isn't suggesting homeopathic "treatments"!!

Where has anybody said anything about 'magic-ing up mega litres'?

blanch152

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So to be clear, SF think that we can magic up mega-litres of effective testing reagent for an a virus only mapped less than 3 months ago (the SARS-CoV-2 genome was only published on the 12 Jan).

They seem to think pharmaceutical science is like laundering diesel

My only real surprise is that some loon in their party isn't suggesting homeopathic "treatments"!!

Your wan in Clare is probably suggesting homeopathic treatments.

However, your other point is correct, their only experience of chemical treatments is which colour dye.

blanch152

Suckit wrote: »

We entered the top ten of coronavirus cases per million last night, way ahead of the UK in terms of cases per capita. After today we are looking at maybe 8th. Rapidly climbing and still weeks away from reaching the target figures for testing of 15,000 per day. Two weeks ago after the DOH changed the testing criteria the figures jumped from 6% to 15%, so undoubtedly those figures will jump again.

How many tests should we be doing?

The UK are doing around 10,000 tests per day, should we be doing 900, because that is the proportional number?

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52149832

Cases per capita reflect testing per capita, up to a certain point. Testing needs to be at a level that catches 98% of cases in order to completely eliminate the virus. We are not there, but we are a long way ahead of others, so that means we have a higher case number per capita.

all about the mane

Suckit wrote: »

We entered the top ten of coronavirus cases per million last night, way ahead of the UK in terms of cases per capita. .

Why do you think that is?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

How many tests should we be doing?

Are we counting 'idiots' and people who 'don't exist'?

Sultan_of_Ping

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where has anybody said anything about 'magic-ing up mega litres'?

Yeah, look SF seemed to think any old reagent would do - they failed to grasp (and still do) what's involved in developing a diagnostic test for a novel infectious agent.

As Tully confirmed with her statement released yesterday (and linked above) SF still have no idea what's involved. She is "urging the government to liaise with the many medical device companies with facilities here in Ireland to produce domestic kits to increase testing capacity here."

She can urge all she wants, the government can liaise all it wants, but can SF not understand? - medical device companies cannot produce test kits.

Abbott Nutrition and Abbott Diagnostics are separate business lines - just because one makes test kits or the elements of test kits, it doesn't mean all of Abbott can make test kits.

Sultan_of_Ping

Suckit wrote: »

We entered the top ten of coronavirus cases per million last night, way ahead of the UK in terms of cases per capita. After today we are looking at maybe 8th. Rapidly climbing and still weeks away from reaching the target figures for testing of 15,000 per day. Two weeks ago after the DOH changed the testing criteria the figures jumped from 6% to 15%, so undoubtedly those figures will jump again.

just to be clear......you do understand there's a significant difference between

Cases per million.......

.....and.....

Cases per capita?