"Everyday Racism"

Bobblehats

Deleted User wrote: »

You can be concerned with the numbers, proportions of those numbers, their reasons for coming etc, and not be racist.

Then touching on my point not being racist - inherently; with other than isolated and/or maybe aloof cases the susceptibility to becoming more racist with every new face we see here inevitably on the rise I feel the need to ask. Is it not by design? I ask this as the common man amongst whom I have experienced similar eh, symptoms.

Bobblehats

Bobblehats wrote: »

Then touching on my point not being racist - inherently; with other than isolated and/or maybe aloof cases the susceptibility to becoming more racist with every new face we see here inevitably on the rise I feel the need to ask. Is it not by design? I ask this as the common man amongst whom I have experienced similar eh, symptoms.

Except. That most people under 30 in this country, grew up with people of other nationalities or color being part of their society. While, they might not have interacted with them personally, they are part of the social consciousness. Irish people aren't generally racist because there is no feeling of superiority in terms of culture. In one way, it was a gift of the British occupation to provide Ireland for no terms of reference in cultural superiority.

No. I don't believe it is by design. It's due to ignorance. Countries who have a longer history with racial diversity deciding that every other country is the same as them. Open. Welcoming. etc.

Irish people as a people aren't going to become racist. Individuals may, due to their own exposure to other racial elements, but more likely, it won't be racism but the judging of individuals. As long as we don't continue this trend of connecting every possible negative to race. If we do, then, we're all going to be racist sometimes.

Yellow_Fern

As a general rule racism or more importantly alleged racism increases as societies become more diverse and less cohesive. It get worse with increased economic inequality which also increases as immigration increases. We are not remotely racist but we have rapidly jumped to being extremely diverse so the perception of mistreatment and the resulting social neurosy will only increase regardless of how much racism there is.

Bobblehats

Deleted User wrote: »

Except. That most people under 30 in this country, grew up with people of other nationalities or color being part of their society. While, they might not have interacted with them personally, they are part of the social consciousness. Irish people aren't generally racist because there is no feeling of superiority in terms of culture. In one way, it was a gift of the British occupation to provide Ireland for no terms of reference in cultural superiority.

No. I don't believe it is by design. It's due to ignorance. Countries who have a longer history with racial diversity deciding that every other country is the same as them. Open. Welcoming. etc.

Irish people as a people aren't going to become racist. Individuals may, due to their own exposure to other racial elements, but more likely, it won't be racism but the judging of individuals. As long as we don't continue this trend of connecting every possible negative to race. If we do, then, we're all going to be racist sometimes.

Right. Some of us grew up that way last century too but as few as they were they may have already felt part of a ‘freak scene’ and so flocked to that particular social group.

I also found out rather coincidentally that my partner is racist as hell, but as a devout Christian from a remote northeastern hillstation she more than makes up for that minor flaw. A place where overexposure does‘nt occur so you’d think butter wouldn’t melt, and it generally doesn’t but she has notion of an enchanted isle and a mystical peoples which she feels is being eroded! We shall see..

AllForIt

Deleted User wrote: »

And... we're back to anything that doesn't instantly and unreservedly accepting of immigrants or foreigners is racist. It's not. You can be concerned with the numbers, proportions of those numbers, their reasons for coming etc, and not be racist.

and from this thread.... people are assuming that racism is on the rise.. rather than knowing that it is.

I'm tempted to do a write up of the tactics of the current Left, but one most obvious one is - not to deal with the arguments but to suggest/infer what one's motivations are for not agreeing with the Left in it's entirety, which usually amount to some kind of personality failing. Slurs in other words.

pretty much.

Those on the left are very intolerant these days regarding anyone who doesn't immediately fall into line with their wide range of attitudes. Which is why everyone not playing ball is consigned to being in the right, removing the middle entirely. With us or against us... and since they're perched on an ivory tower of self assigned moral superiority.. anyone who doesn't agree must be an ist of some kind.

AllForIt

Deleted User wrote: »

pretty much.

Those on the left are very intolerant these days regarding anyone who doesn't immediately fall into line with their wide range of attitudes. Which is why everyone not playing ball is consigned to being in the right, removing the middle entirely. With us or against us... and since they're perched on an ivory tower of self assigned moral superiority.. anyone who doesn't agree must be an ist of some kind.

I don't think this tactic is going to be effective in the long term. Even ppl who don't follow politics on a daily basis have a sense of what is going on. In other words they see through the BS.

AllForIt

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

As a general rule racism or more importantly alleged racism increases as societies become more diverse and less cohesive. It get worse with increased economic inequality which also increases as immigration increases. We are not remotely racist but we have rapidly jumped to being extremely diverse so the perception of mistreatment and the resulting social neurosy will only increase regardless of how much racism there is.

It's all about the aberrant Left agenda, ideologues who think society is better off if it's multicultural.

No liberal actually believes in 'integration'. They say the do but they don't really.
What they think of as multiculturalism is just that, multi cultures living in the same space, separate from each other.

The weird think about multicultural ideologues is they only seem to think its something that should be encouraged in western societies.

If I wanted to open an Irish Bar in Iran, I wonder what the ideologues would think about that. Would I be enriching their society, something to be encouraged? Doubt it.

2u2me

AllForIt wrote: »

I don't think this tactic is going to be effective in the long term. Even ppl who don't follow politics on a daily basis have a sense of what is going on. In other words they see through the BS.

There was a phenomena evident in takeover of Evergreen State (a liberal college in the US) by who even the media were calling the 'hard left'.

Everyone knew what was going on, but everyone was scared of speaking up. They were scared of being ostracised in their social groups or called an other for speaking up.

Certainly if there is much of this influence in your life I can see how one could be a sheep and not ask questions. Much like religious indoctrination does to a child.

It has to be seen to be believed:

AllForIt

AllForIt wrote: »

I don't think this tactic is going to be effective in the long term. Even ppl who don't follow politics on a daily basis have a sense of what is going on. In other words they see through the BS.

Except that this isn't about politics. It's about morality and values. Those on the left support a wide range of issues... and that allows them to skip around when one fails to take hold. There is a degree of flexibility for themselves that they never apply to other people. They're right, and others are wrong, so that allows them to be vague on the specifics of their particular cause.....

It's going to be effective because they will simply move to something else when they meet enough resistance, and allow other people to take up the torch of the previous argument. After all, they're part of a club of righteousness.

Twenty years ago, I would have thought similar to you.. but not anymore. This type of strategy is not going away, and it is succeeding. It worked with feminism. It has worked for a range of "left" leaning arguments. But even if it doesn't work, nobody else can build up enough momentum to really challenge them, because to do so, is immoral.

KiKi III

AllForIt wrote: »

It's all about the aberrant Left agenda, ideologues who think society is better off if it's multicultural.

No liberal actually believes in 'integration'. They say the do but they don't really.
What they think of as multiculturalism is just that, multi cultures living in the same space, separate from each other.

The weird think about multicultural ideologues is they only seem to think its something that should be encouraged in western societies.

If I wanted to open an Irish Bar in Iran, I wonder what the ideologues would think about that. Would I be enriching their society, something to be encouraged? Doubt it.

In Dubai you’d have your choice between Fibbers, McGettigans and the Irish Village.

Eric Cartman

KiKi III wrote: »

In Dubai you’d have your choice between Fibbers, McGettigans and the Irish Village.

Dubai is not Iran, not even close and youre well aware of that.

2u2me

2u2me wrote: »

There was a phenomena evident in takeover of Evergreen State (a liberal college in the US) by who even the media were calling the 'hard left'.

Everyone knew what was going on, but everyone was scared of speaking up. They were scared of being ostracised in their social groups or called an other for speaking up.

Certainly if there is much of this influence in your life I can see how one could be a sheep and not ask questions. Much like religious indoctrination does to a child.

It has to be seen to be believed:

I watched 20 minutes and couldn't understand what the fcuk was going on. Something about race issues. Neither the students nor the lecturers were even remotely clear during their conversations.

Makes me sad just how inarticulate they all are. I mean it. I can't imagine allowing the mob to take over like that. I lecture at university... those lecturers were pathetic in their responses to the student behavior.

The logic used is childish. America. They've fallen soooo far.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Dubai is not Iran, not even close and youre well aware of that.

Your only option is one of the high class hotels who have the money and connections to allow a very limited license. I was in Iran about 7 years ago. Very interesting country. Not what I expected tbh. I don't drink much, so the lack of options wasn't a problem for me.

And yes, Dubai is definitely not like Iran. TBH Dubai is not like anywhere else.

Danzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

pretty much.

Those on the left are very intolerant these days regarding anyone who doesn't immediately fall into line with their wide range of attitudes. Which is why everyone not playing ball is consigned to being in the right, removing the middle entirely. With us or against us... and since they're perched on an ivory tower of self assigned moral superiority.. anyone who doesn't agree must be an ist of some kind.

The modern left is the 1950s Catholic church. Long distant from its original mission and more about the psychological needs of those who are most committed and a vehicle for the righteous to preach and condemn, especially those they see as beneath them in morals, values, in class position.

To them every one is a sinner, they just have to discover it.

rgossip30

Danzy wrote: »

The modern left is the 1950s Catholic church. Long distant from its original mission and more about the psychological needs of those who are most committed and a vehicle for the righteous to preach and condemn, especially those they see as beneath them in morals, values, in class position.

To them every one is a sinner, they just have to discover it.

Could it be the vocal left will be the moral righteous preachers of the future and its hell fire and brimstone to those who disagree .

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

The modern left is the 1950s Catholic church. Long distant from its original mission and more about the psychological needs of those who are most committed and a vehicle for the righteous to preach and condemn, especially those they see as beneath them in morals, values, in class position.

To them every one is a sinner, they just have to discover it.

TBH I find them closer to the National Socialists of Hitlers Germany towards the early 30s. Not outright genocidal murders. Moments of being very subtle mixed with being brutally direct. A certain vagueness to their ideals allowing them room to move around in discussions. An intolerance and moral superiority against those who aren't accepting.

The Catholic Church, at least, pretended to care about those who didn't agree and tried to convince people. The left doesn't try to convince. It demands.

2u2me

Deleted User wrote: »

I watched 20 minutes and couldn't understand what the fcuk was going on. Something about race issues. Neither the students nor the lecturers were even remotely clear during their conversations.

Makes me sad just how inarticulate they all are. I mean it. I can't imagine allowing the mob to take over like that. I lecture at university... those lecturers were pathetic in their responses to the student behavior.

Certainly the point I was trying to make too, that otherwise rational sane people will go along with the mob for fear of the mob turning on them.

If you don't know about what happened at Evergreen it's an interesting case study and a lot of topics you mentioned flare up there.

But here's a quick gist:
1. The college had a history of a 'day of absence' to show how meaningful and necessary black people were to society. They voluntarily left the town or stayed at home for one day a year. It was their tradition and had a book about it.

2. The ultra-progressives(it is an ultra progressive university) Decided to flip the narrative, and declared that white people shouldn't come to university for one day a year. This flipped from a voluntary action to a required action.

3. In steps Brett Weinstein, anti-racist, who declares that the voluntary part is very necessary. He gets called a racist for doing so. Most of the faculty and admin side with the students. When it becomes a big story everyone is shocked at just what went on there.

4. Students Maoist takeover is well documented as everyone seemed to be recording everything. They call everyone and everythign racist. They act like children. They demand their schoolwork be postponed. Lord of the flies type of stuff. Some really scary footage.

It's only scary because they allowed it to happen. An abuse of authority by removing the need for authority.

It's utterly retarded because by having such a day for either racial group, they're excluding other races and suggesting their lack of importance, and also reinforcing the divide between black and white people. It's a badly thought out gesture with short term gains, and utterly open to manipulation. It encourages a us vs them mentality because they're still (both teachers and students) focusing on race rather than individuals.

This is why I can't stand modern American culture. Equality isn't the goal anymore except as a propaganda piece. Every initiative is shallow, and essentially reinforces the perception of a racial divide, even when they're claiming it doesn't. Idiots.

Want to solve racial problems in the US? Bring in egalitarian procedures where people are judged on their skills and knowledge rather than skin color or gender. Provide the services needed to boost those skills and knowledge to everyone equally. Sure, there will be disparities due to better teachers/facilities/etc, but competition for those places encourages people to grow... and I'm saying that as someone who went to a low end college.... and worked in upper management in various high profile companies.

Those who push the race card have no interest in bringing about equality. It is in their interests to promote and encourage racism because it gives meaning to their lives. Retards.

biko

Racism

Social media is a disease.

AllForIt

Deleted User wrote: »

Except that this isn't about politics. It's about morality and values. Those on the left support a wide range of issues... and that allows them to skip around when one fails to take hold. There is a degree of flexibility for themselves that they never apply to other people. They're right, and others are wrong, so that allows them to be vague on the specifics of their particular cause.....

It's going to be effective because they will simply move to something else when they meet enough resistance, and allow other people to take up the torch of the previous argument. After all, they're part of a club of righteousness.

Twenty years ago, I would have thought similar to you.. but not anymore. This type of strategy is not going away, and it is succeeding. It worked with feminism. It has worked for a range of "left" leaning arguments. But even if it doesn't work, nobody else can build up enough momentum to really challenge them, because to do so, is immoral.

Well I wouldn't have though it has noting to do with politics, I would have though one's sense of morality and values shape one's political views and consequently who one decides to vote for.

As for your latter comments I'm trying to be optimistic but I take your point.

I'm rather late to politics myself, 20 years ago I wouldn't have had an opinion. Too busy being hedonistic. What has got me into it though is what I call and see as the aberrant Left, and I think it need fixing. I'm pretty left wing myself which shows what my agenda is, not a hard right one, which I have been accused off on various forums here. But that's the challenge isn't it.

AllForIt

AllForIt wrote: »

Well I wouldn't have though it has noting to do with politics, I would have though one's sense of morality and values shape one's political views and consequently who one decides to vote for.

I honestly don't know how many people feel the way I do about politics, but I wouldn't consider any political system to be representative of morality or values. I've never considered Irish politicians to be representative of the people, as the moment they enter politics, they automatically owe other politicians for their position. Anything they might do, while in office, is dependent on other politicians rather than the people who put them there. Which means they're compromised immediately.. and repeat terms in office just reinforce the divide.

I lost faith in politics at a very young age, and nothing I have seen since in three decades (I'm early 40s), regardless of the country I've lived in, has encouraged me to feel any different.

Politics is a game that the rich and influential play. A PR spin to make the common person feel that they're even remotely involved, but ultimately, they're not. The political groups, may once, when the nation was first formed, have represented different viewpoints representative of the people, but these days, I can't really tell any difference between them once the elections are finished. So, they'll present differences to gather votes, but once in power (or in opposition) they all merge into the grand game. A game that they play for themselves, not for us.

So, no... I don't find politics to be representative of the peoples desires. Especially, as a nation matures and the political parties become... diluted with other concerns.

As for your latter comments I'm trying to be optimistic but I take your point.

I'm rather late to politics myself, 20 years ago I wouldn't have had an opinion. Too busy being hedonistic. What has got me into it though is what I call and see as the aberrant Left, and I think it need fixing. I'm pretty left wing myself which shows what my agenda is, not a hard right one, which I have been accused off on various forums here. But that's the challenge isn't it.

I'd be considered middle of the road. I swing left and right depending on the topic. I favor harsh sentencing for repeat offenders, including capital punishment or favor abortion, and gay marriage. I'd also favor accountability for politicians, with the death penalty being brought back for treason or negligence. So. I'm pretty hardline right on some issues.

I've grown cynical. I've lived in Russia and China. I've seen other governmental systems, and lived in very different cultures... and I find that western people fool themselves into believing themselves free when there are regulations/rules/laws to cover almost every human activity, with the scope increasing every decade. I feel that there is a growing sense of hypocrisy, virtue signalling, and double standards. A sense of superiority in the west regarding human rights or a better society, which is based on nothing, or based on lies. Misinformation, twisted education, etc all push to make people have skewed attitudes about the culture group they believe themselves part of. for example, posters might complain about China's human rights abuses, but keep silent on the abuses of the US. Or seek to diminish it.. because, well, reasons. Splitting hairs to justify themselves and their sense of superiority.

Not exclusively the effect of the left, because the right encourage this too... which is why I see the left/right in politics as a game to encourage divisions in society. If people are divided and against each other, they can't unite to enforce change on the political system, which is corrupt and twisted. How many politicians were held responsible for the banking crash, and how many saw the inside of a jail cell, or lost their assets? yup. That taught me that they live a very different life than the rest of us.

In terms of the left, I see it as a cancer. The right wouldn't be an issue except that the left is the greatest recruiter for it. The push by those on the left with their intolerance of anything they dislike, has ensured that the far right will gain in power, simply because there isn't an alternative.

I see western culture eating itself from the inside out. The left encourages the creation of division within society with all it's agendas, but also pushes a collective consciousness that dislikes innovation or competition. All Empires or civilisations fall in various ways... and I'm seeing the fall of western civilisation, while people pretend that they're still strong. It's not an uncommon belief among western expats living abroad... which is why we're living abroad. We don't like the way our various societies have degenerated/declined.

There's a common attitude on boards, that if you don't like it. Leave. And that's seen in many countries. If you can't accept or don't like what's happening, then you should leave. This attitude reflects the momentum of the left agenda. There are no hard questions being asked anymore. Long term planning or risk analysis of proposed changes are limited to the short term, with those short term gains lauded, and all negatives diminished... with those looking at the negatives isolated and pushed out.

So.. politics. Nah. Maybe once it was a force for good in the west, but I don't see it being so during my lifetime. The last election made me realise just how much Ireland has changed in the last two decades. Not the politics, since that's remained the same. (I'm including SF in that. They're not even remotely different than they were thirty years ago, except for image rebranding). But the general apathy of people. That they would vote in SF simply because there was nobody else... it's Trump again but in Ireland. No good options, so.. fcuk it. Gamble.

I'm rambling, and lost the thread of the discussion.

2u2me

AllForIt wrote: »

I'm rather late to politics myself, 20 years ago I wouldn't have had an opinion. Too busy being hedonistic. What has got me into it though is what I call and see as the aberrant Left, and I think it need fixing. I'm pretty left wing myself which shows what my agenda is, not a hard right one, which I have been accused off on various forums here. But that's the challenge isn't it.

I would describe myself much like you and have experienced similar. Majiid Nawaaz coined the term 'regressive left'.

I would call myself a rational person able to change my mind given new evidence and usually assume people I argue with to be the same.

However this regressive left claim that reason itself is a tool of an oppressive structure. They will use any tool at their disposal to push their agenda, there is no ultimate truth only our many different truths.
It's listen and believe vs listen and consider.

Here's a video of another 3 left-wing outcasts, they were the authors of the Grievance studies affair where they tried to expose corruption in academia. In this video they describe how this regressive left is much like a religion.

• There is the idea that we all have original sin(unconcious bias/unconcious racists)
• Heretics need to be punished
• Biological denialism
• Privilege preserving epistemic push back(If you don't believe in jesus there's something wrong with you)
• Scripture: papers that quote other papers in endless loops.
• They share a belief in vicarious sin, group sin

AllForIt

Deleted User wrote: »

I honestly don't know how many people feel the way I do about politics, but I wouldn't consider any political system to be representative of morality or values. I've never considered Irish politicians to be representative of the people, as the moment they enter politics, they automatically owe other politicians for their position. Anything they might do, while in office, is dependent on other politicians rather than the people who put them there. Which means they're compromised immediately.. and repeat terms in office just reinforce the divide.

I lost faith in politics at a very young age, and nothing I have seen since in three decades (I'm early 40s), regardless of the country I've lived in, has encouraged me to feel any different.

Politics is a game that the rich and influential play. A PR spin to make the common person feel that they're even remotely involved, but ultimately, they're not. The political groups, may once, when the nation was first formed, have represented different viewpoints representative of the people, but these days, I can't really tell any difference between them once the elections are finished. So, they'll present differences to gather votes, but once in power (or in opposition) they all merge into the grand game. A game that they play for themselves, not for us.

So, no... I don't find politics to be representative of the peoples desires. Especially, as a nation matures and the political parties become... diluted with other concerns.



I'd be considered middle of the road. I swing left and right depending on the topic. I favor harsh sentencing for repeat offenders, including capital punishment or favor abortion, and gay marriage. I'd also favor accountability for politicians, with the death penalty being brought back for treason or negligence. So. I'm pretty hardline right on some issues.

I've grown cynical. I've lived in Russia and China. I've seen other governmental systems, and lived in very different cultures... and I find that western people fool themselves into believing themselves free when there are regulations/rules/laws to cover almost every human activity, with the scope increasing every decade. I feel that there is a growing sense of hypocrisy, virtue signalling, and double standards. A sense of superiority in the west regarding human rights or a better society, which is based on nothing, or based on lies. Misinformation, twisted education, etc all push to make people have skewed attitudes about the culture group they believe themselves part of. for example, posters might complain about China's human rights abuses, but keep silent on the abuses of the US. Or seek to diminish it.. because, well, reasons. Splitting hairs to justify themselves and their sense of superiority.

Not exclusively the effect of the left, because the right encourage this too... which is why I see the left/right in politics as a game to encourage divisions in society. If people are divided and against each other, they can't unite to enforce change on the political system, which is corrupt and twisted. How many politicians were held responsible for the banking crash, and how many saw the inside of a jail cell, or lost their assets? yup. That taught me that they live a very different life than the rest of us.

In terms of the left, I see it as a cancer. The right wouldn't be an issue except that the left is the greatest recruiter for it. The push by those on the left with their intolerance of anything they dislike, has ensured that the far right will gain in power, simply because there isn't an alternative.

I see western culture eating itself from the inside out. The left encourages the creation of division within society with all it's agendas, but also pushes a collective consciousness that dislikes innovation or competition. All Empires or civilisations fall in various ways... and I'm seeing the fall of western civilisation, while people pretend that they're still strong. It's not an uncommon belief among western expats living abroad... which is why we're living abroad. We don't like the way our various societies have degenerated/declined.

There's a common attitude on boards, that if you don't like it. Leave. And that's seen in many countries. If you can't accept or don't like what's happening, then you should leave. This attitude reflects the momentum of the left agenda. There are no hard questions being asked anymore. Long term planning or risk analysis of proposed changes are limited to the short term, with those short term gains lauded, and all negatives diminished... with those looking at the negatives isolated and pushed out.

So.. politics. Nah. Maybe once it was a force for good in the west, but I don't see it being so during my lifetime. The last election made me realise just how much Ireland has changed in the last two decades. Not the politics, since that's remained the same. (I'm including SF in that. They're not even remotely different than they were thirty years ago, except for image rebranding). But the general apathy of people. That they would vote in SF simply because there was nobody else... it's Trump again but in Ireland. No good options, so.. fcuk it. Gamble.

I'm rambling, and lost the thread of the discussion.

I'm reluctant to get into all that as it's getting a bit off topic. It's a coherent post but I have to say I don't share your cynicism.

AllForIt

2u2me wrote: »

I would describe myself much like you and have experienced similar. Majiid Nawaaz coined the term 'regressive left'.

I prefer my coining. Regressive suggests going backward which the current state of the Left never was in history.

I have great time for Majiid Nawaaz. A unique commentator in the UK and was prolly the only Pakistani that was happy to call out Pakistani grooming gangs, instead of brushing the background of the perpetrators under the carpet for politically correct reasons.

I would call myself a rational person able to change my mind given new evidence and usually assume people I argue with to be the same.

And that is how it should be. The problem is some ppl are so wrapped up in politics they swear an allegiance to either the left or the right. Those kinds of ppl are a total bore in my experience.

However this regressive left claim that reason itself is a tool of an oppressive structure. They will use any tool at their disposal to push their agenda, there is no ultimate truth only our many different truths.
It's listen and believe vs listen and consider.

Yeah, this is the kind of nutty thinking of the aberrant Left. They really try to get into your head in any way they can to make one question themselves. They talk about 'unconscious biases' and all that malarkey.

I listen to a UK radio leftist who uses ever opportunity to talk about racism, he does his level best to convince ppl who aren't racist to convince them they actually are. He's say's stuff like, when you see a black person do you see the black. Even mentally registering that you see a black person - that's racist to him. :rolleyes:

Slowyourrole

cryptocurrency wrote: »

"African Americans are victims of a disproportionate amount of murders in the US"

That reminds me of when one of the anti immigrant posters on here posted a picture of all the victims of London stabbings as evidence that black people commit more crime. Takes an odd mentality to look at dozens of black victims and say "see, black people commit more crime"

Slowyourrole

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Struggle to find it outside of a few aul lads downnthe pub

It's pretty common on social media and forums. usually it will either take the form of a joke or be followed up with "just stating facts"

kildare lad

Slowyourrole wrote: »

That reminds me of when one of the anti immigrant posters on here posted a picture of all the victims of London stabbings as evidence that black people commit more crime. Takes an odd mentality to look at dozens of black victims and say "see, black people commit more crime"

But most of them have been murder by other black men ??

Slowyourrole

Slowyourrole wrote: »

That reminds me of when one of the anti immigrant posters on here posted a picture of all the victims of London stabbings as evidence that black people commit more crime. Takes an odd mentality to look at dozens of black victims and say "see, black people commit more crime"

Well, it really comes down to the statistics. The numbers. If the numbers state that black people commit more crime, then they do.

But the point shouldn't end there. Is it that race is the primary factor or is it culture? Is gender a factor? Is it motive or those environmental circumstances that cause the difference?

Simply focusing on race doesn't help because people will seek to shut down proper investigation due to "fears" of racism. More knowledge is useful..