"Everyday Racism"

2u2me

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Ok, so that one. Do those people cost the Thai government a lot of money ? are those people claiming Thai welfare ? are they responsible for a lot of crime in Thailand ? does the government give them free housing ?

Definitely those people are of benefit to the Country. So much so Thailand have a police just for tourists. I don't think there is any type of welfare/housing, if anything it would be slim, but they do offer great support networks tourists.

I have seen/heard of a lot of Russian Mafia stuff; but I don't know how much overall they'd be responsible for.

cryptocurrency

I think it was the CIA or some american agency but they said that pretty much all bar a few of the westerners who go to the Philippines are sex tourists.

2u2me

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I think it was the CIA or some american agency but they said that pretty much all bar a few of the westerners who go to the Philippines are sex tourists.

Certainly you'd be mad to go there now with Duterte in charge. That guy is a nutjob.

Eric Cartman

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I think it was the CIA or some american agency but they said that pretty much all bar a few of the westerners who go to the Philippines are sex tourists.

I would agree with that, tourists though, similar to Thai sex tourism. My question was about non white countries that white people are immigrating to and are they detracting from that country. Fraudsters in Thailand are detracting from tourists which is sort of a point , but you don't see white people en masse go to non white countries to live off the state and cause economic and social damage to a country in the same way that white countries regularly see from South American, African, arab and some asian nations.

cryptocurrency

2u2me wrote: »

Certainly you'd be mad to go there now with Duterte in charge. That guy is a nutjob.

No interest in the place. Asia for me is just China, Malaysia, Japan, Sinkers, HK...maybe Macao and Korea.

Vietnam looks interesting.

No interest in the backpacker trail countries either like Thailand/Lao/Cambodia

cryptocurrency

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I would agree with that, tourists though, similar to Thai sex tourism. My question was about non white countries that white people are immigrating to and are they detracting from that country. Fraudsters in Thailand are detracting from tourists which is sort of a point , but you don't see white people en masse go to non white countries to live off the state and cause economic and social damage to a country in the same way that white countries regularly see from South American, African, arab and some asian nations.

There is 2 million expats in China and despite what a few posters who seemed to have made lives for themselves there (Fair play) the majority over the age of 30 (non backpacking age) are basically bums and often illegal.

Most would be doing pretty low end jobs back here.

There was illegal spanish in China driving scooters for the local equivalent of just eat last time i was there.

cryptocurrency

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I would agree with that, tourists though, similar to Thai sex tourism. My question was about non white countries that white people are immigrating to and are they detracting from that country. Fraudsters in Thailand are detracting from tourists which is sort of a point , but you don't see white people en masse go to non white countries to live off the state and cause economic and social damage to a country in the same way that white countries regularly see from South American, African, arab and some asian nations.

Doesn't matter if you agree with that or not. I am just saying, there is huge differences with the countires in the region. This is a fact.

Anyways, Afrikaners in South Africa is the group you've been looking for.

Not that smart, don't add much to the local economy and post the end of apartheid have been exposed when they don't have the public sector job for life straight from school.

Low education levels and skills has seen so many on the breadline when they have to enter a real rat race.

2u2me

cryptocurrency wrote: »

No interest in the place. Asia for me is just China, Malaysia, Japan, Sinkers, HK...maybe Macao and Korea.

Vietnam looks interesting.

No interest in the backpacker trail countries either like Thailand/Lao/Cambodia

I went to Thailand in my 20's to teach English and ended up doing some modelling too. Being part Thai/foreigner they liked that look.

Living there I learned it was much more than just backpacker trails and sex spots. They're some of the warmest, kindest people and it's not called the Land of Smiles for nothing. Where else in the world do they have a nationwide waterfight to celebrate new years.

By the way.. Happy Songkran everyone!

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I would agree with that, tourists though, similar to Thai sex tourism. My question was about non white countries that white people are immigrating to and are they detracting from that country. Fraudsters in Thailand are detracting from tourists which is sort of a point , but you don't see white people en masse go to non white countries to live off the state and cause economic and social damage to a country in the same way that white countries regularly see from South American, African, arab and some asian nations.

The difference is that few Asian countries have any degree of welfare and when it exists, it's usually reserved to those who have retired from some kind of government service. Whereas in the west, it's relatively easy to claim welfare support, even if you're there illegally.

Typically, white people who travel have, at least a bachelor degree, but even without that, their high school education is often of high enough quality to be far more useful than those of non-white countries. The exception is when it comes to languages since many Africans can speak French, English, etc, in addition to a variety of their own dialects, which means they can pick up new languages easily.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

No interest in the place. Asia for me is just China, Malaysia, Japan, Sinkers, HK...maybe Macao and Korea.

Vietnam looks interesting.

No interest in the backpacker trail countries either like Thailand/Lao/Cambodia

Vietnam is a wonderful country. Highly recommended. And I've never been a backpacker since I started to seriously travel when I hit 30 and wasn't interested in living rough. Both Laos and Cambodia can be lovely places, depending on whether you've established links with locals before going. Thailand... is a bit odd.. can be fantastic but it really depends on whether you want to hang out with other foreigners or not. I find western travelers to be the most dodgy/dangerous people you'll meet, especially in Thailand.. so if you're fine with meeting locals and getting out of the cities or tourist traps, Thailand is wonderful. I've been there about 9 times. 3 of those times were romantic holidays with the gf though. Very different experience.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

There is 2 million expats in China and despite what a few posters who seemed to have made lives for themselves there (Fair play) the majority over the age of 30 (non backpacking age) are basically bums and often illegal.

Most would be doing pretty low end jobs back here.

There was illegal spanish in China driving scooters for the local equivalent of just eat last time i was there.

Depends on which foreigners you're talking about. Most white people end up being students or english teachers. Most non-whites start as students and usually do teaching part-time. Few can manage to keep their visas after their second/third year, because they take the piss with their classes and exams. (since the teaching will be in Chinese, not English).

I feel there are three main types of Western foreigners in China.

1) Gap year students who want to play, and maybe pick up Mandarin. These tend to cause the most visible trouble since they'll be leaving after a year or two anyway.
2) Teachers. Actual teachers who want to live in Asia, make some money, and get married. These people don't go out much except for their first year, tend to build strong connections with Chinese people, and stay out of trouble.
3) The scammers. These are the people who want to start a business, make quick money, or engage in drugs. These people will stay in China for 5-6 years until they appear on the official radar, move cities every year, and will finally, need to leave rather than be arrested and face Chinese prison time. These people are usually quite dangerous.

As for non-whites... there's all types, but often they remain in China illegally, and try to stay under the official radar. They're generally not a problem in China because they don't want any trouble. The issue is with the students who are on sponsorship programs by the Chinese government, and they're most similar to the western gap year students. The difference is that most of the Africans end up dabbling in criminal activities such as selling drugs, or prostitution.. both of which are very serious for foreigners to be involved in. The problem with Indians and M.Easterners is the association with rape for women in dating. There are just too many accounts and cases where Indian guys or M.Eastern guys have been arrested or deported for gang rapes, or for getting women pregnant, and then leaving. I've known a variety of nationalities who have left pregnant Chinese women behind, but the majority of them were muslim guys... go figure. They tend to play in China, and once they leave, become ultra traditional muslims. It's utterly bizarre the suddenness of the change.

The last category are the pretty boys/girls, who will become mistresses or sugarboys. Foreigners who will find a rich chinese person who will support them for sexual favors, and the giving of face in public. It's a very lucrative option for those who can manage to learn mandarin and understand the undercurrents of Chinese culture. Typically, these people look to make a crap-ton of cash, and leave after a decade... Russians are the most common for this, although I know an Irish woman doing it, as well, as a few american guys.

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Doesn't matter if you agree with that or not. I am just saying, there is huge differences with the countires in the region. This is a fact.

Anyways, Afrikaners in South Africa is the group you've been looking for.

Not that smart, don't add much to the local economy and post the end of apartheid have been exposed when they don't have the public sector job for life straight from school.

Low education levels and skills has seen so many on the breadline when they have to enter a real rat race.

I doubt that it helps that S.Africa has reverse discrimination/racism now, where black people get priority on employment/education, with white people being marginalized. Sure, there are justifications made but it doesn't change that it's nowhere near a level playing field and gets worse each year.

Don't get me wrong... I've found that the Afrikaners or Boers tend to be the most racist people I've ever met, but black Africans come a close second.. Far more so, than the Chinese in many respects.

cryptocurrency

Chinese are just ignorant to other cultures outside of China. It's all new to them.

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Chinese are just ignorant to other cultures outside of China. It's all new to them.

That's a large part of it.

The other part is an inferiority complex. Before Europeans arrived in China, Chinese culture/power was supreme. Then the Europeans came, and since then, their history shows a constant series of losses to Westerners. They have a "natural" superiority complex towards other Asians and Africans though.

A lot of their racism is based on jealousy.. we're able to travel freely whereas most of the population is stuck unable to get approval for a passport or lacking the financial resources...

But yes, I'd say ignorance of foreigners and foreign culture being the main cause of it all. Compared to the native population, the numbers of any foreigners is going to be very low, especially outside of Shanghai or GZ.

ijohhj

cryptocurrency wrote: »

There is 2 million expats in China and despite what a few posters who seemed to have made lives for themselves there (Fair play) the majority over the age of 30 (non backpacking age) are basically bums and often illegal.

Most would be doing pretty low end jobs back here.

This is literal waffle. TEFL is a feckin ginormous industry in Asia, all you need is a degree in anything, 2 and a half grand a month with apartment paid for by the school included on top. Low tax rates too. And included full medical in most countries.

Who would want to be back here with gigs like that.

cryptocurrency

ijohhj wrote: »

This is literal waffle. TEFL is a feckin ginormous industry in Asia, all you need is a degree in anything, 2 and a half grand a month with apartment paid for by the school included on top. Low tax rates too. And included full medical in most countries.

Who would want to be back here with gigs like that.

People who earn much more then that perhaps?

ijohhj

cryptocurrency wrote: »

People who earn much more then that perhaps?

And how many is that? :pac: Not bloody many, in this country.

Big earners over here aye... giving too much of it to landlords aye...

After taxes, deductions, and provided accommodation, they come out with much more than most here at the end of the day. Cheaper and easier to travel, too. Better and cheaper public transportation.

ijohhj

ijohhj wrote: »

This is literal waffle. TEFL is a feckin ginormous industry in Asia, all you need is a degree in anything, 2 and a half grand a month with apartment paid for by the school included on top. Low tax rates too. And included full medical in most countries.

Who would want to be back here with gigs like that.

The problem for non-professional teachers is that it's a time sink. You can make/save decent money for a while, but the experience counts for little. It's also becoming incredibly unreliable in Asia, as jobs in many countries are drying up.

I did it for a while, but I'm lucky in having an MBA and management experience, so the move into business english and then leaping into business management lecturing was doable. Decent money, and just 16 hours of work a week... However, it's not for everyone and it's not my primary income. Countries like China which were popular destinations for teaching have become more expensive, without parallel rises in income. So... it's good, but not great.

cryptocurrency wrote:

People who earn much more then that perhaps?

Really depends on qualifications, negotiation skills and contacts/networking. I have friends who just have a BA and are pulling in close to 60k rmb a month. They are teaching 40 hours though. The money is out there... it's just really difficult sometimes to get your foot in the door.

I could make as much from teaching as I did as a department manager in a corporation... the problem is that I don't want to suck up to Chinese bosses that much, nor do I want teaching to be my primary work. There are plenty of possibilities for making very good money in EFL or more specialised subjects.

ijohhj

ijohhj wrote: »

And how many is that? :pac: Not bloody many, in this country.

Big earners over here aye... giving too much of it to landlords aye...

After taxes, deductions, and provided accommodation, they come out with much more than most here at the end of the day. Cheaper and easier to travel, too. Better and cheaper public transportation.

I have a better standard of living (as a single person) in China than I would in Ireland. Cost of living is the major problem. Sure, Ireland or other western countries have many advantages but they're incredibly expensive places to live.

I work 16 hours, and make an above average income in China. As was said, free accommodation, but the quality of those places can be pretty rough. Still, I'm mostly living off campus and my rent is really low, for a decent apartment, that is larger than many houses in Ireland. There's just two apartments on my floor. Pretty nice overall. Costs in electricity, and such are extremely low, since they're subsidized by the state for almost everyone.

I write fiction and non-fiction books, which is my primary income. I previously lived with only my teaching income, but that became more difficult as I got older. China's cost of living increased, but also there are demands on your income in terms of dating or social networking related to work.. but all in all, my costs are far lower than Ireland, which means overall I save more, while also paying my mortgage in Ireland, and also sending some money home to my parents. Pretty decent... still I'm there over a decade so I have the right kind of connections/relationships.. and I know the way the culture works.

maninasia

cryptocurrency wrote: »

How developed due you think South Korea or Taiwan is? I would rather live in Sinkers or KL.

Haha Taiwan in many ways is far more developed and an easier place to live than Ireland, but you need to speak some Chinese to live comfortably .

Danzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's a large part of it.

The other part is an inferiority complex. Before Europeans arrived in China, Chinese culture/power was supreme. Then the Europeans came, and since then, their history shows a constant series of losses to Westerners. They have a "natural" superiority complex towards other Asians and Africans though.

A lot of their racism is based on jealousy.. we're able to travel freely whereas most of the population is stuck unable to get approval for a passport or lacking the financial resources...

But yes, I'd say ignorance of foreigners and foreign culture being the main cause of it all. Compared to the native population, the numbers of any foreigners is going to be very low, especially outside of Shanghai or GZ.

I don't think this is it.

Historically China could have conquered the world with only raising a little finger.

One of its admirals lost favour in the 15th century and strangely to his countrymen wanted to explore, he was left do so to have him out of sight, they gave him 15k sailors and soldiers and 3 of the largest ships seen prior to the last century.

It was viewed as a jaunt and had only minimal State backing.

They couldn't understand why anyone would leave China the centre of the world, what would others have that China didn't.

The same attitude was old when Genghis Khan was invading and helped him.

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

I don't think this is it.

Historically China could have conquered the world with only raising a little finger.

One of its admirals lost favour in the 15th century and strangely to his countrymen wanted to explore, he was left do so to have him out of sight, they gave him 15k sailors and soldiers and 3 of the largest ships seen prior to the last century.

It was viewed as a jaunt and had only minimal State backing.

They couldn't understand why anyone would leave China the centre of the world, what would others have that China didn't.

The same attitude was old when Genghis Khan was invading and helped him.

I'm talking about modern China, (since the Peoples Congress). Not imperial China.

cryptocurrency

maninasia wrote: »

Haha Taiwan in many ways is far more developed and an easier place to live than Ireland, but you need to speak some Chinese to live comfortably .

YOu really must be unsucessful in Ireland

cryptocurrency

cryptocurrency wrote: »

YOu really must be unsucessful in Ireland

Why?

I don't think you quite understand what Taiwan, or better yet, Taipei is like. It's not a third world country. It's modern, with all the convenience of any western city. In many ways it's better. Very efficient and organised transport system. All the branded services you would find in Ireland. Starbucks, McDonalds, Kfc, or any number of international branded products.

Personally one of the things I love most about Taiwan or China, is that it's 24 hours. I can leave my home at any time, and have a meal. Or go to a bar. Or go to a cinema. Ireland tends to close up around 2 am, and there's extremely few options thereafter. Also there tends to be a much greater variety of choice. Sure, western food in China/Taiwan tends to be more imitation, and they rarely get it right, but you have access to far more choices from all over the world.

And then, there's the general cost of living. Ireland is incredibly expensive in comparison. Yes, there are some things like western alcohol which will have comparative pricing, but the quality of the bars that serve such, will be much higher than most Irish bars, and to compare actual cocktail bars, you'd be paying more in Ireland for the same quality of bar...

Asia is a wonderful region. Vietnam, Cambodia, etc cater to those who want a rougher experience. Same with most of China. However, the major cities or Japan/Korea/Taiwan can provide a excellent standard of living for a much lower cost than would be needed in Ireland. (although Japan can be very expensive depending on your lack of knowledge about general living habits)

statesaver

Everyday racism in China.

https://twitter.com/ChuckeEChaves/status/1250618731744710656

Bobblehats

Which sort of sums up modern racism really. I’d say it’s less detergent more deterrent

DelaneyIn

More BAME people are dying from coronavirus in the U.K.

The government must collect the data and publish it, so that this injustice can be addressed

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/19/bame-dying-coronavirus-sadiq-khan

Corona virus is racist.

I remember when some random punter I came across was trying to argue that race doesn’t exist at all and highlighting the different vulnerabilities and needs of racial groups was a disguise for white supremacist rhetoric.

At least much smarter people are giving a damn about the unique medical needs arising from our heritage.

suicide_circus

Sadiq answered his own question; its socioeconomic, migrants tend to be poorer.

cryptocurrency

DelaneyIn wrote: »

More BAME people are dying from coronavirus in the U.K.




https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/19/bame-dying-coronavirus-sadiq-khan

Corona virus is racist.

I remember when some random punter I came across was trying to argue that race doesn’t exist at all and highlighting the different vulnerabilities and needs of racial groups was a disguise for white supremacist rhetoric.

At least much smarter people are giving a damn about the unique medical needs arising from our heritage.

Every post you have ever made is about race or migrants. Odd.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

Sadiq answered his own question; its socioeconomic, migrants tend to be poorer.

Malnutrition. It's something often overlooked. Even if they've been eating quality and good quantities since they arrived in the west, prior mistreatment leaves marks on the body, often relating to the effectiveness of the immune system.

DelaneyIn

A hospital trust is believed to be the first in the country to protect its ethnic staff by giving them priority for the fitting of masks.

Somerset Foundation Trust is treating all its black, Asian and minority ethnic staff as 'vulnerable and at risk' of coronavirus.

The trust has now included all its BAME staff in the vulnerable and at risk group, and is asking managers to have conversations with them and discuss concerns.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8261459/Somerset-NHS-Trust-prioritise-black-ethnic-minority-staff-facemasks.html

How long until this policy spreads throughout the U.K. and perhaps eventually spreads here? Everyday racism, indeed. Imagine the furore if the roles were reversed.

If a White person dies because it was wearing a not feating mask because a Black or Brown person was considered "more worthy", was the White person victim of institutional racism? Of course, this is evil racism against Whites by British institutions. But, after Rotherham, nothing is surprising anymore.

Yellow_Fern

DelaneyIn wrote: »

More BAME people are dying from coronavirus in the U.K.




https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/19/bame-dying-coronavirus-sadiq-khan

Corona virus is racist.

I remember when some random punter I came across was trying to argue that race doesn’t exist at all and highlighting the different vulnerabilities and needs of racial groups was a disguise for white supremacist rhetoric.

At least much smarter people are giving a damn about the unique medical needs arising from our heritage.

There is good reasons to dismiss the idea of race. We exist as a palette of colours, rather than a handful of races and although different ancestories have different health risks, they are mostly not based correlated on skin colour. For example, Irish people have a predisposition to cystic fibrosis but that doesnt really apply to 'white people' as a whole. It is much better to think of ancestories than race.