Could we have stopped this

moonlighting_1

A good few weeks ago when this broke out in china some people on here were shouting to close the airports and stop people going to events out of this country. Some were even laughed at. Sadly the government didn't do anything at the time.

I am just wondering could we have done more as citizens, Talk to local politicians etc.
Some people on this forum were bang on about what was going to happen its scary.

Stop everything coming into country from mid February onwards would have stopped it.
But that would have included hauliers etc so a non Runner IMO.

lawrencesummers

Could we have stopped this.

Does it matter.


It’s here. Deal with it.

awec

If we wanted to stop it spreading completely in Ireland then surely we'd have to close the airports and the ports and ban foreign travel until such a time a vaccine was developed, mass produced and then widely administered in Ireland.

Otherwise we'd just get whacked with it as soon as we opened the borders again.

rob316

We could have done more sure but this a global pandemic it was coming here some way or another.

timhenn

Of course, we could have stopped this but you'd hardly expect that to have happened with fg at the wheel? Let's not forget, if they had been in power prior to the crash in the naughties, we would have been in a worse position than ff left us in.

PhilOssophy

We couldn't have stopped it but if the WHO had ordered no travel in/out of China, it would have massively reduced its spread.

Millionaire only not

timhenn wrote: »

Of course, we could have stopped this but you'd hardly expect that to have happened with fg at the wheel? Let's not forget, if they had been in power prior to the crash in the naughties, we would have been in a worse position than ff left us in.

Let alone if Sinn Fein were in power in the naughties we wouldn’t even be here talking !

brick tamland

timhenn wrote: »

Of course, we could have stopped this but you'd hardly expect that to have happened with fg at the wheel? Let's not forget, if they had been in power prior to the crash in the naughties, we would have been in a worse position than ff left us in.

How could we have stopped it getting in then?


Once it got out of china, it was going to get everywhere.

timhenn

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Let alone if Sinn Fein were in power in the naughties we wouldn’t even be here talking !

If cows had wings they could fly over the moon. What's that got to do with anything? fg have a track record of incompetence, it's part of their DNA really. Expecting anything other than a **** up with this crisis was foolhardy.

endacl

timhenn wrote: »

Of course, we could have stopped this but you'd hardly expect that to have happened with fg at the wheel? Let's not forget, if they had been in power prior to the crash in the naughties, we would have been in a worse position than ff left us in.

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Let alone if Sinn Fein were in power in the naughties we wouldn’t even be here talking !

Any chance we could get the developers to work on an autoban algorithm for every time political digs appear in threads that have nothing to do with political parties?

timhenn

brick tamland wrote: »

How could we have stopped it getting in then?


Once it got out of china, it was going to get everywhere.

We needed to have people in charge who were proactive, not reactive. fg letus down again.

timhenn

endacl wrote: »

Any chance we could get the developers to work on an autoban algorithm for every time political digs appear in threads that have nothing to do with political parties?

I wasn't making a political dig! The thread is about the possibility of stopping it before it spread in Ireland. Who was in control of that?

endacl

timhenn wrote: »

We needed to have people in charge who were proactive, not reactive. fg letus down again.

:rolleyes:

BarryD2

awec wrote: »

If we wanted to stop it spreading completely in Ireland then surely we'd have to close the airports and the ports and ban foreign travel until such a time a vaccine was developed, mass produced and then widely administered in Ireland.

It was clearly impractical to close the airports and ferries BUT our authorities could have sent a much stronger message out that anyone coming into the country should have stayed at home or wherever for two weeks.

Instead the repeated policy was go back to school, go back to work and only then if you feel symptoms to report them. This strategy was supposed to be containment but it was a pretty weak form of same?? That allowed for spread which then had to be chased down.

rossie1977

Not sure about stopping it but slowing it down yes if every country stopped all flights into and out of China as soon as Wuhan was locked down.

Even though western carriers stopped flying to China you had Chinese carriers landing in major hubs like Zurich, Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid couple of times a day in mid February

dinjo99

Someone on the radio today said “the best time to plant an oak tree is 25 years ago, the second best time is today”.

We are where we are. No point in looking back, there’s still a hell of a lot we can all do to stop things reaching their worst potential.

JP Liz V1

Flights to and from China and Italy should have stopped from January

The problem you have is, it's here now, so if steps are taken to combat it, people get on board with it.

If you tried to combat against it before it ever even made the news here, people would be giving out like madmen saying they're wasting money and govt. are incompetent trying to fight the invisible man. You'd have conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Same as if you get the brakes fixed on your car before they actually need doing. You avoid any issues. But you still feel robbed becase "sure there was nothing wrong with them anyway".

solidasarock

Not unless we literally stopped everyone and everything from entering the country from December or every country stopped everything coming in and out of China at the very earliest signs of this disease, then no. I cant imagine we could have magically stopped it.

And at those early stages its impossible to know if its just some unhealthy people dying from flu or a potential pandemic.



But I do think more could be done to stop the spread. Closing the boarders is stupid. Movement needs to be restricted on the local level.

timhenn

timhenn wrote: »

We needed to have people in charge who were proactive, not reactive. fg letus down again.

I actually think the current care taker government have played a blinder. When, ever, has Ireland been ahead of Britain on something? They seemed to take their cue from us, not the other way around.

NIMAN

SOme people are very quick to slag off the government.

IMHO, I think the Irish Gov have done as well, if not better, than many others.

Its easy to say we shoul dhave shut down the country in January or February in hindsight, but could you imagine how that would have went down with the population? Especially when it seemed to be only in China at the time?

You have to be realistic. If you want to bash the Gov then you'll find something to bash them about, but I think they have done well so far.

Pete_Cavan

timhenn wrote: »

I wasn't making a political dig! The thread is about the possibility of stopping it before it spread in Ireland. Who was in control of that?

In reality, there is and was no way of stopping it getting here. Not allowing a single person into the country (be that through an airport, sea port or across the incredibly porous NI border) from February onwards was an impossibility. It was always going to get here, what mattered is how we deal with it when it arrived.

Jinglejangle69

timhenn wrote: »

Of course, we could have stopped this but you'd hardly expect that to have happened with fg at the wheel? Let's not forget, if they had been in power prior to the crash in the naughties, we would have been in a worse position than ff left us in.

Jesus you have issues.

lawrencesummers

Deleted User wrote: »

I actually think the current care taker government have played a blinder. When, ever, has Ireland been ahead of Britain on something? They seemed to take their cue from us, not the other way around.

I don’t agree. They may have made the right calls at the right time unlike the Greatness across the water but They didn’t do enough to stop travel from Italy when they made a balls of cancelling the rugby match. They could have told Italian fans not to travel and instructed the airlines and hotels to refund Italians who cancel, then fans wouldn’t have been out of pocket and many would have stayed home because there were no refunds then.

They could have temp tested and isolate incoming passengers from Italy. It wouldn’t catch everyone, but it might have caught some.

This is also the same government that allowed the health system become over run and under capacity on a normal virus free day. It couldn’t cope with what it had anywayz That just means bigger problems when Something like this hits.

JP Liz V1

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Flights to and from China and Italy should have stopped from January

Simplistic view.

I flew to China last summer. I didn't go Dub - Shanghai. I went DUB - Frankfurt - Shanghai and on the way back I went Shanghai - AMS - Dub.

Only way would have been to stop all international flights. Which, within days, there would have been pundits and opinion pieces going on the failure of the government etc etc. And when/if it didn't arrive, there would be opinion pieces on the damage the government did the economy all for nothing.

This is also the same government that allowed the health system become over run and under capacity on a normal virus free day. It couldn’t cope with what it had anywayz That just means bigger problems when Something like this hits.

Ah here! The Health System has been in a sh1t state for years, if not decades. Even at the height of the Celtic Tiger, the health service was a mess.

timhenn

endacl wrote: »

:rolleyes:

So who was in charge?

Jinglejangle69

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I don’t agree. They may have made the right calls at the right time unlike the Greatness across the water but They didn’t do enough to stop travel from Italy when they made a balls of cancelling the rugby match. They could have told Italian fans not to travel and instructed the airlines and hotels to refund Italians who cancel, then fans wouldn’t have been out of pocket and many would have stayed home because there were no refunds then.

They could have temp tested and isolate incoming passengers from Italy. It wouldn’t catch everyone, but it might have caught some.

This is also the same government that allowed the health system become over run and under capacity on a normal virus free day. It couldn’t cope with what it had anywayz That just means bigger problems when Something like this hits.

Lowest trolley numbers ever at the moment.

15 yesterday.

What does that tell you?

Sure Italy didn't even know how bad they had it how do you expect the Irish government to?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Jinglejangle69

timhenn wrote: »

So who was in charge?

You do know the caretaker government took and followed advice from WHO and medical experts

If they hadn't of you would be the first in here giving out they made decisions themselves without expert advice.

Just give over the political digs, it serves no purpose at the moment.

timhenn

Deleted User wrote: »

I actually think the current care taker government have played a blinder. When, ever, has Ireland been ahead of Britain on something? They seemed to take their cue from us, not the other way around.

Being ahead of the uk is nothing to shout about. fg were asleep at the wheel, we'll all suffer for it.

timhenn

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

In reality, there is and was no way of stopping it getting here. Not allowing a single person into the country (be that through an airport, sea port or across the incredibly porous NI border) from February onwards was an impossibility. It was always going to get here, what mattered is how we deal with it when it arrived.

How we deal with it? You mean how we dealt with it when it arrived? We didn't deal with it well.