Could we have stopped this

noodler

timhenn wrote: »

Honestly, you just go around boards.ie foaming at the mouth, it can't be healthy.

Calling out **** ups by the government is allowed. They shouldn't be brushed under the carpet because it hurts someone's political sensitivities. This is far more important than politics.

More important than politics, yet no opposition party has criticised the response to date whilst you accuse people of being FG shills if they disagree with you?

It's nifty the way you are trying to spin this.

Nifty, indeed.

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

And what's been done about it? Why haven't flights been cancelled? Why aren't fg putting pressure on the dup to cooperate publically? What exactly have fg been doing for the past few months?

Introducing a strategy of letting old people die and think that'll fix it. Fly off to America in the middle of a global pandemic. Get infected with the virus because not adhering to social distancing when meeting someone who has the virus.

They are a ****ing joke.

The public are generally a bunch of arseholes.

The government can't be blamed for everything.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/crowds-and-irresponsible-behaviour-raise-coronavirus-concerns-at-popular-parks-and-walks-39057491.html

These clowns will be crying in a few weeks. Idiots.

timhenn

noodler wrote: »

More important than politics, yet no opposition party has criticised the response to date whilst you accuse people of being FG shills if they disagree with you?

It's nifty the way you are trying to spin this.

Nifty, indeed.

Why haven't fg blocked flights coming in here? Why are they letting infected people roam free?

This is fg's responsibility. I don't care if that hurts your feelings.

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

The public are generally a bunch of arseholes.

The government can't be blamed for everything.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/crowds-and-irresponsible-behaviour-raise-coronavirus-concerns-at-popular-parks-and-walks-39057491.html

These clowns will be crying in a few weeks. Idiots.

Everyone is ignoring Leo flying off to America, he wasn't exactly sending the right signals was he?

noodler

Alot of people are wondering about the economics of spending 6bn, losing bns in tax, losing 400k jobs etc just to try and prevent deaths of already unwell people.

So it's strange we have posters on here saying we have gone for the laissez faire 'let them die' herd immunity approach.

timhenn

noodler wrote: »

Alot of people are wondering about the economics of spending 6bn, losing bns in tax, losing 400k jobs etc just to try and prevent deaths of already unwell people.

So it's strange we have posters on here saying we have gone for the laissez faire 'let them die' herd immunity approach.

That was fg's original thought, let the old people die and we'll save the economy. The reality is and will be, a lot of people will die and the economy will be ****ed. But fg have done a great job. :rolleyes:

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

Everyone is ignoring Leo flying off to America, he wasn't exactly sending the right signals was he?

He returned on the 12th March.

The government can do no more than it currently is. We dont have an army big enough to enforce a shutdown. We are depending on the public doing what they are told. Which they wont.

Raconteuse

noodler wrote: »

More important than politics, yet no opposition party has criticised the response to date whilst you accuse people of being FG shills if they disagree with you?

It's nifty the way you are trying to spin this.

Nifty, indeed.

A disgrace really.

I have never ever called someone a shill because of their allegiance to (or simply lack of disagreement with) a particular party. It's a tactic I find pretty vile actually.

However... this poster is so obsessed and longing for things they can say the government did wrong (classily exploiting the possible infection of an FG member ) that they are surely at least a staunch supporter of another party (probably SF given their anti British sentiment).

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

He returned on the 12th March.

The government can do no more than it currently is. We dont have an army big enough to enforce a shutdown. We are depending on the public doing what they are told. Which they wont.

Oh yeah, it's the lowly peasant's fault. Not those who were meant to be in charge who acted too late and didn't go far enough, not at all.

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

Oh yeah, it's the lowly peasant's fault. Not those who were meant to be in charge who acted too late and didn't go far enough, not at all.

The government acted correctly.

The public just wont listen.

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

That was fg's original thought, let the old people die and we'll save the economy. The reality is and will be, a lot of people will die and the economy will be ****ed. But fg have done a great job. :rolleyes:

Why will so may conplain about austerity when it comes back? :rolleyes:

All the vast majority care about is their own circumstances.

Raconteuse

There is actual proof in the virus numbers here that the government acted correctly in terms of when they started the closures.

dh1985

timhenn wrote: »

Oh yeah, it's the lowly peasant's fault. Not those who were meant to be in charge who acted too late and didn't go far enough, not at all.

Good man tim. At this rate you will be responding to your own posts to keep you hate for the government going and you thread relevant.

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

The government acted correctly.

The public just wont listen.

They're still letting flights in from countries riddled with this. So they didn't act correctly and they still aren't!

Blaming the public won't cut it.

landofthetree

dh1985 wrote: »

Good man tim. At this rate you will be responding to your own posts to keep you hate for the government going and you thread relevant.

He cant bring himself to admit that personal responsibility is a thing.

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

Why will so may conplain about austerity when it comes back? :rolleyes:

All the vast majority care about is their own circumstances.

fg have guaranteed austerity and a large number of deaths. And there are people congratulating them!

timhenn

Raconteuse wrote: »

There is actual proof in the virus numbers here that the government acted correctly in terms of when they started the closures.

What numbers? How many are waiting to be tested again?

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

They're still letting flights in from countries riddled with this. So they didn't act correctly and they still aren't!

Blaming the public won't cut it.

Yes. Flying back Irish citizens and residents.

timhenn

dh1985 wrote: »

Good man tim. At this rate you will be responding to your own posts to keep you hate for the government going and you thread relevant.

When this virus knocks on your door and it spreads further, people will change their tune. Patting the government on the back won't be happening then!

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

fg have guaranteed austerity and a large number of deaths. And there are people congratulating them!

How could they have avoided austerity? :rolleyes:

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

He cant bring himself to admit that personal responsibility is a thing.

Why wouldn't I? You can say personal responsibility is a thing and still face up to the reality that those in charge screwed up big time. They're not mutually exclusive.

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

Yes. Flying back Irish citizens and residents.

Not only them! And what happens when they land?

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

How could they have avoided austerity? :rolleyes:

That was their strategy remember? To let the old and the sick die and look after the economy. What a disastrous strategy that failed miserably.

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

That was their strategy remember? To let the old and the sick die and look after the economy. What a disastrous strategy that failed miserably.

No it wasnt.

Up north it was under SFDUP.

Raconteuse

They didn't screw up big time at all.

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

No it wasnt.

Up north it was under SFDUP.

It was! Their aim was to save the economy and accept that old and sick people had to die to achieve that. Was a disgusting and idiotic plan from the start and it has backfired on them and all of us. Wait till these numbers explode! People won't be as forgiving when they see their loved ones dying.

timhenn

Raconteuse wrote: »

They didn't screw up big time at all.

You say that now. You'll change your tune. Questions will be asked about their inactions when the death toll rises significantly.

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

It was! Their aim was to save the economy and accept that old and sick people had to die to achieve that. Was a disgusting and idiotic plan from the start and it has backfired on them and all of us. Wait till these numbers explode! People won't be as forgiving when they see their loved ones dying.

Give us a list of countries that acted differently.

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

Give us a list of countries that acted differently.

I couldn't give a sh1t what other countries did or didn't do. Obviously, next door got it horribly wrong and others got it right.

For a small island like ours, we started in a far superior position to most. Somehow those in charge managed to screw it up.

landofthetree

https://mobile.twitter.com/megankillion/status/1241774255265722369

The public just arent listen.

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/megankillion/status/1241774255265722369

The public just arent listen.

And where are fg? Why aren't they doing anything about it? Leo planning another trip abroad?

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

And where are fg? Why aren't they doing anything about it? Leo planning another trip abroad?

What do you suggest?

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

What do you suggest?

What do you think? Maybe get up off their lazy holes and do something?

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

What do you think? Maybe get up off their lazy holes and do something?

But they have.

It's up to the people to follow instructions.

The government has clearly stated that if instruction isn't followed they will have to introduce more draconian laws.

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

But they have.

It's up to the people to follow instructions.

The government has clearly stated that if instruction isn't followed they will have to introduce more draconian laws.

When did they instruct people? Why didn't they do it weeks ormonths before?

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

When did they instruct people? Why didn't they do it weeks ormonths before?

The WHO told us in January it wasn't going to be a problem.

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

The WHO told us in January it wasn't going to be a problem.

Always blaming someone else, ff were the same. Can they make a decision by themselves? If they were doing their jobs properly, they would have put the lives of Irish people first. They were too busy planning trips abroad.

landofthetree

timhenn wrote: »

Always blaming someone else, ff were the same. Can they make a decision by themselves? If they were doing their jobs properly, they would have put the lives of Irish people first. They were too busy planning trips abroad.

FG only have 35 seats.

Besides the Dail have backed all FG legislation so far. Nobody has proposed any other legislation.

The other parties have run away from government to save their own fat asses.

Tea Shock

timhenn wrote: »

That was their strategy remember? To let the old and the sick die and look after the economy. What a disastrous strategy that failed miserably.

You wind your neck in and quit making **** up

We also had Ebola, H1N1 and SARS over the last 15 years or so. Are you going to lock down the ports and airports for months or years at a time every time one of these shows up? You'll be the first one moaning that FDI won't come here anymore and that Irish citizens can't get produce or medicine

timhenn

landofthetree wrote: »

FG only have 35 seats.

Besides the Dail have backed all FG legislation so far. Nobody has proposed any other legislation.

What has that got to do with it?

fg have been asleep at the wheel, it doesn't mean that the others haven't been asleep in the back!

It's too late now to stop the large number of deaths coming. It's not too late to stop it increasing further. It's time those in charge woke up, got up off their lazy arses and actually put some structure in place to tackle this.

noodler

I must have missed the bit where the government wanted to adopt herd immunity.

timhenn

Tea Shock wrote: »

You wind your neck in and quit making **** up

We also had Ebola, H1N1 and SARS over the last 15 years or so. Are you going to lock down the ports and airports for months or years at a time every time one of these shows up? You'll be the first one moaning that FDI won't come here anymore and that Irish citizens can't get produce or medicine

Not the first time someone's made something up completely out of thin air.

There's was a choice to be made. fg chose people dying in an attempt to save the economy. It has failed spectacularly. People are going to die in large numbers and the economy will collapse.

timhenn

noodler wrote: »

I must have missed the bit where the government wanted to adopt herd immunity.

You miss a lot of things in fairness.

Tea Shock

timhenn wrote: »

Not the first time someone's made something up completely out of thin air.

There's was a choice to be made. fg chose people dying in an attempt to save the economy. It has failed spectacularly. People are going to die in large numbers and the economy will collapse.

Have you got a single verifiable quote to show that herd immunity was EVER the FG strategy?

saabsaab

Worth a look the four stages. More that a hint of truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak

timhenn

Tea Shock wrote: »

Have you got a single verifiable quote to show that herd immunity was EVER the FG strategy?

As in did they come out and say they're going to let the old and sick die? Of course not, that was their strategy though and it's backfired on them and all of us.

noodler

timhenn wrote: »

You miss a lot of things in fairness.

But you make up alot of things in fairness.

You made up that Ireland had a policy to let people die.

Shame on you.

Tea Shock

timhenn wrote: »

As in did they come out and say they're going to let the old and sick die? Of course not, that was their strategy though and it's backfired on them and all of us.

So you have no evidence at all? Nothing?

Grand. Just so we're clear

timhenn

noodler wrote: »

But you make up alot of things in fairness.

You made up that Ireland had a policy to let people die.

Shame on you.

Not only was that the policy, it's now the reality. This is going to explode, large numbers are going to die. When the reality hits then all of you will change your tune.

noodler

Tea Shock wrote: »

So you have no evidence at all? Nothing?

Grand. Just so we're clear

Nonewhatsoever

Just rantings and ravings