CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

walshb

Owl McGregor has really bandwagoned this one. He’s getting more frequent than Tony bleedin’ Holohan.

DOCARCH

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

No mention of what types of manufacturing/construction which is essential?

I think that's due later....

They will certainly have to clarify what's essential/non-essential.

Hooked

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

No mention of what types of manufacturing/construction which is essential?

Exactly - I’m in a printers, luckily 2km from my gaff. We print a lot of material for HSE, med-tech and similar companies. Could be argued essential, especially as we had orders yesterday for Covid-19 specific medication records, but the list in gov.ie ONLY includes retail!

As I’ve said in earlier posts, I’m all for this LEO.CKDOWN - I own that phrase now - but the info is contradictory

DOCARCH

pc7 wrote: »

So are all construction sites closed now?

To be clarified. They can't be all closed!

Gynoid

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/two-metres-not-enough-when-social-distancing-39083182.html

An article about the 2 metres distancing, which thus far I have found to be a pragmatic recommendation rather than scientifically accurate. And so it is.
Quote -
"a new analysis by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in the US has found that viral droplets expelled in coughs and sneezes can travel in a moist, warm atmosphere at speeds of 10-30 metres (33ft-100ft) per second, creating a cloud that can span approximately 7-8 metres (23ft-27ft)"

"The researchers also warn that droplets can stay suspended in the air for hours, moving along airflow patterns imposed by ventilation or climate-control systems.

Virus particles have already been found in the ventilation systems of hospital rooms of patients with coronavirus, which the team believes could have been carried on "turbulent clouds" of air."

Humberto Salazar

Will the bins be collected? I assume in cities, yes. But the private companies that service rural areas?

Hoboo

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

Will the bins be collected? I assume in cities, yes. But the private companies that service rural areas?

We'll see when they release the list, but Id imagine bins are essential. Other than that, check your provider?

amadangomor

AVFC.Stephen wrote: »

Question.

Company I work for supplies pallets. We supply to every place.

We have machines and tool equipment plus a good few staff. Let's say we could be considered essential for shops like lidl aldi etc to continue business.

If we need a spare part for our machines but the engineers are closed. What is considered essential?

While I think safe distancing and extra precautions is great. I cant get my head around what's considered essential and nonessential

Talk to your manager

at1withmyself

I work in another county all week and normally go home on Friday but this week had to stay here last night so am not at home now.

My wife is home alone but is fine and well. Could I make the trip home today to be with her do you think? It's 200km away, am in my own car?

Hooked

You would think that the updated list on gov.ie would give us some clue (workplaces) as to what’s happening outside of retail...

Is it just ‘essential’ retail that will operate? Nothing else.

Or is a list of manufacturers/other services to follow...

Because it ain’t clear, either way!!!

DOCARCH

at1withmyself wrote: »

I work in another county all week and normally go home on Friday but this week had to stay here last night so am not at home now.

My wife is home alone but is fine and well. Could I make the trip home today to be with her do you think? It's 200km away, am in my own car?

I am sure you can go home (and stay there!)...go this morning!

amadangomor

Hooked wrote: »

Exactly - I’m in a printers, luckily 2km from my gaff. We print a lot of material for HSE, med-tech and similar companies. Could be argued essential, especially as we had orders yesterday for Covid-19 specific medication records, but the list in gov.ie ONLY includes retail!

As I’ve said in earlier posts, I’m all for this LEO.CKDOWN - I own that phrase now - but the info is contradictory

Jesus H Christ, the 2km thing is not relevant if you have to work in an essential service.

The list will be published later. I'd suggest talking to your manager.

BluePlanet

I'm sorry to hear that Ireland insists on following Italy's example and go with the Soft Lockdown.
Isn't this the 3rd major announcement of containment measures within a week or 2?

Every successive measure is an admission the previous restrictions failed to flatten the curve.

Reminder: when the Chinese Red Cross arrived to Italy to help, they raised alarm about the lax Lockdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnJF6NmXT74

secman

Who the hell writes these leaflets, they clearly don't comprehend difference between retailers and service providers, one section refers to Retailers who provide electrical, IT services, call outs. We are an electrical contractor who provide services only, not retail of any sort. We are on the OPW list, we also provide electrical services for Petroleum outlets, so presumanly we can still provide these as we would be expected to contractually. However our site works are more than likely closed . I understand that it is all being rushed under the circumstances but still for clarity they should have clearly distinguished between retailers and service providers its not like Revenue don't ???

Hooked

at1withmyself wrote: »

I work in another county all week and normally go home on Friday but this week had to stay here last night so am not at home now.

My wife is home alone but is fine and well. Could I make the trip home today to be with her do you think? It's 200km away, am in my own car?

If it were me... I’d be on the road now.

The news only broke last night. Explain you were at work when it broke and this is the first chance you’ve had to move. Can’t see anyone with even half a brain turning you around.

Drive safe.

amadangomor

secman wrote: »

Who the hell writes these leaflets, they clearly don't comprehend difference between retailers and service providers, one section refers to Retailers who provide electrical, IT services, call outs. We are an electrical contractor who provide services only, not retail of any sort. We are on the OPW list, we also provide electrical services for Petroleum outlets, so presumanly we can still provide these as we would be expected to contractually. However our site works are more than likely closed . I understand that it is all being rushed under the circumstances but still for clarity they should have clearly distinguished between retailers and service providers its not like Revenue don't ???

Relax the kaks, the list has not been released yet

Jim Gazebo

It's ridiculous that they held a presser to start lockdown when they were not prepared with the information they needed to issue.

Depressing situation, I wish I could just go to bed and wake up in 2 months.

emo72

I'd say there's loads of us in bed right now and we don't know if we have to get up in the next few minutes.

pc7

Has this been posted already? https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/two-metres-not-enough-when-social-distancing-39083182.html

tromtipp

Very pretty.


I've been tempted to go there myself, even more tempted to go to the graveyard down by the lakeshore to the right of picture 2 to put flowers on my mother's grave for mother's day, but guess what, I didn't because public health comes first and I don't want to to risk infecting anyone else.


There are houses behind some of those hedges, there are nursing homes in the towns at the end of that snowy road (and the Lodge, with the most vulnerable). I know people who work there and I fear for their health, mental and physical. I live in the other direction, and know of three people with positive diagnoses.


Don't be a prat. The Graves, and the townland named for a Bronze Age plague burial, will still be there when all this is over.


2 km is plenty - those of us lucky enough to live near beauty, or to have gardens, should be grateful and humble.

cnocbui wrote: »

You must live in a city. Nice theory, you should try walking 14.56 km in wellies.

I saw your earlier appeal to the example of those who fought in wars. My father did just that in WW2, and I know he wouldn't have stopped at 2km, which I won't be doing either, because your whataboutry in claiming such activity is a threat to the well being of nurses is sanctimonious pig swill. I will take any and all measures that are sensible and which might possibly make a difference.

See anyone to infect or be infected by?:





I'll continue my walks.

Humberto Salazar

Will the bins be collected? I assume in cities, yes. But the private companies that service rural areas?

amadangomor

emo72 wrote: »

I'd say there's loads of us in bed right now and we don't know if we have to get up in the next few minutes.

Can you contact a manager?

secman

amadangomor wrote: »

Relax the kaks, the list has not been released yet

There was a list released dated 27th March that's the one i am referring to !

AVFC.Stephen

amadangomor wrote: »

Talk to your manager

Not sure I understand. How is a manager to know at this point in time if suppliers of even the smallest piece of equipment is needed until it's broken and needed? Spares might be there for some thing that break regular but not for absolutly everything...

Anyways my point is. Where does essential and nonessential begin and end ?

facehugger99

at1withmyself wrote: »

I work in another county all week and normally go home on Friday but this week had to stay here last night so am not at home now.

My wife is home alone but is fine and well. Could I make the trip home today to be with her do you think? It's 200km away, am in my own car?

Errr- yeah of course you can - why would you even be asking that question

weisses

Was listening to an ICU manager in Holland and he said that every single one in critical care and on the ventilator because of covid was overweight and or obese

amadangomor

secman wrote: »

There was a list released dated 27th March that's the one i am referring to !

The full one will be released later

sydthebeat

pc7 wrote: »

Has this been posted already? https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/two-metres-not-enough-when-social-distancing-39083182.html

Theres a reason why everyone is asked to cough or sneeze into their elbows!!

Dear god if there is someone in a supermarket letting out rocket sneezes they should be kicked out and banned.

irishgeo

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

It's ridiculous that they held a presser to start lockdown when they were not prepared with the information they needed to issue.

Depressing situation, I wish I could just go to bed and wake up in 2 months.

They needed to do it before the weekend because people cant stay at home as proved by last weekend.

Gynoid

pc7 wrote: »

Has this been posted already? https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/two-metres-not-enough-when-social-distancing-39083182.html

Yep. By me
Sobering

amadangomor

facehugger99 wrote: »

Errr- yeah of course you can - why would you even be asking that question

It's a fair question. People have to have a legitimate reason to be out of their house now.

Hooked

amadangomor wrote: »

Jesus H Christ, the 2km thing is not relevant if you have to work in an essential service.

The list will be published later. I'd suggest talking to your manager.

My apologies - The 2km ‘thing’ is just a coincidental reference - I know it’s not a measurement limiting my travel to work or shops. it just so happens that I’m exactly 2km front door to work, so feel more relaxed about travel, as I’m not far from my family. Cool the jets...

And as for taking to my manager - i shouldn’t have to!

It should be perfectly clear (on gov.ie) if this list is finite, subject to change or more info is coming... instead of a heap of contradictory info.

I’m all for the ‘lockdown’. The communication is poor and people are confused/unsure.

depcon

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-oxygen-equipment-meant-for-ireland-held-back-by-italy-1.4214229?mode=amp

These were mention as part of the equipment the government had secured. Are we going to start banning the exportation of ventilators?

Roger_007

irishgeo wrote: »

They needed to do it before the weekend because people cant stay at home as proved by last weekend.

What difference does it make if it’s a weekend. Every day is the same now.

amadangomor

AVFC.Stephen wrote: »

Not sure I understand. How is a manager to know at this point in time if suppliers of even the smallest piece of equipment is needed until it's broken and needed? Spares might be there for some thing that break regular but not for absolutly everything...

Anyways my point is. Where does essential and nonessential begin and end ?

My point was that it is the manager's job to find out/apply for an exemption and let you know.

strathspey

Intel isn't closing apparently. It's manufacturing sites are regarded as an essential service. Now the cynic in me says isn't it amazing how we have involved that we are now as dependent on PC chips as we are on food for survival.

GM228

Ireland Coronavirus Statistics - Day 28 - Friday 27/03/2020

Friday's Stats:-
Total cases: 2121
Daily case increase: 16.60%
Daily case confirmation increase/decrease: 18.43%
Mortality rate: 1.04%
Recovery rate: 0.24%
Poplulation infected: 0.043%

Average daily cases change since day 1 (29/02/20): 35.92%
Average daily cases change last 10 days (since 18/03/20): 22.34%
Average daily cases change last 7 days (since 21/03/20): 17.61%
Average daily cases last 3 days (since 25/03/20): 16.86%

Average daily case confirmation since day 1 (29/02/20): 43.62%
Average daily case confirmation last 10 days (since 18/03/20): 24.72%
Average daily case confirmation last 7 days (since 21/03/20): 16.55%
Average daily case confirmation last 3 days (since 25/03/20): 14.05%


For comparrison, Thursday's day 1, 3 day, 7 day and 10 day averages:-

GM228 wrote: »

Average daily cases change since day 1 (29/02/20): 36.63%
Average daily cases change last 10 days (since 17/03/20): 23.77%
Average daily cases change last 7 days (since 20/03/20): 18.47%
Average daily cases last 3 days (since 24/03/20): 17.37%

Average daily case confirmation since day 1 (29/02/20): 44.55%
Average daily case confirmation last 10 days (since 17/03/20): 25.65%
Average daily case confirmation last 7 days (since 20/03/20): 9.06%
Average daily case confirmation last 3 days (since 24/03/20): 5.62%

DAY

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DATE

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Cases

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New Cases

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Total Cases

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Case Increase

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Daily Reporting Change

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Deaths to date

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Mortality Rate

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Hospitalised

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Hospital Rate

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ICU

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ICU Rate

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*Recovered

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Recovery Rate

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Population %

1|29/02/2020|0|1|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
2|01/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
3|02/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
4|03/03/2020|1|1|2|100.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
5|04/03/2020|2|4|6|200.00%|300.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
6|05/03/2020|6|7|13|116.67%|75.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
7|06/03/2020|13|5|18|38.46%|-28.57%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
8|07/03/2020|18|1|19|5.56%|-80.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
9|08/03/2020|19|2|21|10.53%|100.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
10|09/03/2020|21|3|24|14.29%|50.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
11|10/03/2020|24|10|34|41.67%|233.33%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
12|11/03/2020|34|9|43|26.47%|-10.00%|1|2.33%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
13|12/03/2020|43|27|70|62.79%|200.00%|1|1.43%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
14|13/03/2020|70|20|90|28.57%|-25.93%|1|1.11%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.002%
15|14/03/2020|90|39|129|43.33%|95.00%|2|1.55%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%
16|15/03/2020|129|40|169|31.01%|2.56%|2|1.18%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%
17|16/03/2020|169|54|223|31.95%|35.00%|2|0.90%|84|37.7%|6|2.69%|5|2.24%|0.005%
18|17/03/2020|223|69|292|30.94%|27.78%|2|0.68%|108|37%|7|2.40%|5|1.71%|0.006%
19|18/03/2020|292|74|366|25.34%|7.25%|2|0.55%|140|38.8%|12|3.28%%|5|1.37%|0.007%
20|19/03/2020|366|191|557|52.19%|158.11%|3|0.54%|173|31.1%|13|2.33%|5|0.9%|0.011%
21|20/03/2020|557|126|683|22.62%|-34.03%|3|0.44%|211|30.9%|13|1.90%|5|0.73%|0.014%
22|21/03/2020|683|102|785|14.93%|-19.05%|3|0.38%|239|30.4%|25|3.18%|5|0.64%|0.016%
23|22/03/2020|785|121|906|15.41%|18.63%|4|0.44%|277|30.6%|36|3.97%|5|0.64%|0.018%
24|23/03/2020|906|219|1125|24.17%|80.99%|6|0.53%|305|27.1%|39|3.47%|5|0.44%|0.023%
25|24/03/2020|1129|204|1329|18.13%|-6.85%|7|0.53%|340|25.61|47|3.54%|5|0.38%|0.027%
26|25/03/2020|1329|235|1564|17.68%|15.20%|9|0.58%|419|26.8%|59|3.77%|5|0.32%|0.032%
27|26/03/2020|1564|255|1819|16.30%|8.51%|19|1.04%|NR|NR|59|3.24%|5|0.27%|0.037%
28|28/03/2020|1819|302|2121|16.60%|18.43%|22|1.04%|NR|NR|59|2.78%|5|0.24%|0.043%

NR = Not Reported

Source: Department of Health

*"Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data suplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting.

Day 20 - Thursday 19/03/20 Stats
Day 21 - Friday 20/03/20 Stats
Day 22 - Saturday 21/03/20 Stats
Day 23 - Sunday 22/03/20 Stats
Day 24 - Monday 23/03/20 Stats
Day 25 - Tuesday 24/03/20 Stats
Day 26 - Wednesday 25/03/20 Stats
Day 27 - Thursday 26/03/20 Stats

Tom Mann Centuria

Gynoid wrote: »

Yep. By me
Sobering

Imperfect but I think two metres relies on people using correct cough/sneeze etiquette.

AVFC.Stephen

amadangomor wrote: »

My point was that it is the manager's job to find out/apply for an exemption and let you know.

I was unaware if any exemptions would be in place. Good bit of info if is the case

minikin

depcon wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-oxygen-equipment-meant-for-ireland-held-back-by-italy-1.4214229?mode=amp

Feck it, let’s see how they get on without viagra.

Ninthlife

The likes of DHL and UPS are they still operating under the new guidelines?

limnam

minikin wrote: »

Feck it, let’s see how they get on without viagra.

_this_ is how wars start :pac:

Hooked

AVFC.Stephen wrote: »

I was unaware if any exemptions would be in place. Good bit of info if is the case

You’d think the info (companies, exemptions) would be on gov.ie, and not being relayed to you (us) via a thread on boards.ie

It really annoys me that at times like this, we can’t get factual info from a government source - even if that info is as simple as ‘an updated list of X will be published soon’

Ninthlife

minikin wrote: »

Feck it, let’s see how they get on without viagra.

So youre saying we stiff them

pc7

Gynoid wrote: »

Yep. By me
Sobering

Sorry can’t keep up, it’s absolutely bloody terrifying all staff in hospitals should be wearing masks going by this from consultants to cleaners.

niallo27

weisses wrote: »

Was listening to an ICU manager in Holland and he said that every single one in critical care and on the ventilator because of covid was overweight and or obese

What is classified as overweight though. Most of our population is overweight if you go by BMI index.

niallo27

Ninthlife wrote: »

So youre saying we stiff them

Well it will stop them from ****ing us anymore anyway.

Gynoid

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Imperfect but I think two metres relies on people using correct cough/sneeze etiquette.

And what do you think about ordinary breathing and aerosolised particles? If you are chatting with someone outside on a frosty morning it is interesting how far the visible breath stream goes, and certainly if you are in a room with someone who has very bad breath and is talking to you, you could be 10 foot away from them but quite soon the smell reaches you. Big whopping sneezes may not be the only problem? I dont know. Even as a medical person who has far more knowledge perhaps you dont know yet with this thing? There are too many gaps in our knowledge. Well, in my opinion anyway. I am not going around freaked out or anything, as I have something of a fatalistic streak. But I dont know for sure on this 2 metres, 3 metres, whatever business. Hmmmmm.

Galway56736

Hooked wrote: »

My apologies - The 2km ‘thing’ is just a coincidental reference - I know it’s not a measurement limiting my travel to work or shops. it just so happens that I’m exactly 2km front door to work, so feel more relaxed about travel, as I’m not far from my family. Cool the jets...

And as for taking to my manager - i shouldn’t have to!

It should be perfectly clear (on gov.ie) if this list is finite, subject to change or more info is coming... instead of a heap of contradictory info.

I’m all for the ‘lockdown’. The communication is poor and people are confused/unsure.

Go to work!!!

You know you have to

Ficheall

weisses wrote: »

Was listening to an ICU manager in Holland and he said that every single one in critical care and on the ventilator because of covid was overweight and or obese

The Dutch seem a little lax in their approach to the coronavirus - for example, they're saying it's fine for kids to go and play with each other if they are not symptomatic https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/questions-and-answers#039;s%20Novel%20coronavirus%20in%20China - I'd take anything they say with a large pinch of salt..