CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

Gynoid

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

An online friend of mine in America with terminal brain cancer got this letter from her hospital. She’s 40. I hope things don’t get bad in her home state and that she doesn’t catch coronavirus. Shit like that is just so scary. To see it written starkly like that is so shocking. I understand the rationale but holy living fuck. And she’s a pretty long-term survivor so she could have a few more years left.

Ah Christ, a cruel letter for her.

530 pages, multiple threads and people still don't appear to understand how transmission of the virus happens.

You don't need to be touching an infected person to get infected folks. Transmission can happen through inanimate objects.

kilkenny31

seamus wrote: »

I think so, the rampant capitalism that allowed for the outsourcing of everything will rein back in. There was a school of thought which believed that a primarily service-oriented economy was a "more evolved" one, but clearly when you lack direct access to manufacturing facilities, then you may be crippled when a global emergency hits.

This was due anyway - the carbon cost of manufacturing everything in China and shipping it around the world was enormous.

For countries in the EU, this will present a good opportunity to build decent local manufacturing bases. Every country doesn't need to be individually self-sufficient.

If we weren't an EU member right now, we'd be in serious ****. We'd be food secure, but running out of almost everything else.

Agreed the EU needs to pull together and be strategic. We can continue to buy our non essential crap from China like Christmas lights and toy soilders. The the chineese government also need to accept some responsibility for this outbreak, in a globalised world every country needs to accept it has a responsibility to the people of the world.

otnomart

kilkenny31 wrote: »

If the eurozone doesn't come up trumps this time around or if Germany drags its heels and their obsession about inflation prevents the Eurozone from taking drastic measures then Ireland and smaller countries will seriously have to consider exiting the eurozone. I think it's clear the the Euro was a mistake. Too many different economies at different stages of growth being dictated to by the needs of one economy.

Personally, I do not agree that the Euro was a mistake.
However, if all European Countries do not realise that this is the most serious crisis since WW2 (and the EC was created to avoid just that: a repeat of WW2) and that this crisis needs to be overcome with extraordinary meaures, the EU will die.


Strong article by former ECB Chief on FT (this FT article is free to read):

We face a war against coronavirus and must mobilise accordingly https://www.ft.com/content/c6d2de3a-6ec5-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

cnocbui

wadacrack wrote: »

The PPE is not anywhere near good enough, Have a look at an Irish Healthcare worker compared to one in China. Its not good enough and they should have planned for this in January

Do you remember that 2nd press conference announcing the number of infections, which were in single digits, mind, when they said they were not expecting any significant increase in numbers?

Kermit.de.frog

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

namloc1980

froog wrote: »

also it seems a lot of people missed a very troubling comment in the middle of all this - leo said pharmacies will be able to give out medicine past it's sell by/use by dates. odd thing to say unless he's expecting a mass shortage of essential medicines very soon.

No he didn't. Christ almighty, people just have no common sense. He said they can give out medicine on out of date "prescriptions" so people don't need to go to the doctor etc. Use your brains people please.

khalessi

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

online payment only
will drop food at front door ring bell and walk away for contactless delievery

Hobgoblin11

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

Hazmat suit time

namloc1980

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

Pay online/over the phone when ordering. Delivery person will leave food at the door.

sterz

Doesn't appear to be much of a change in attitude this morning by the looks of things. People still going around in groups and totalling dismissing the message sent out last night.

Roger_007

kingtiger wrote: »

€500 on the spot fine for people who don't have a valid reason to be out

Totally unenforceable. It’s not backed by any legislation and it would be very difficult to pass a law which would have to list all the valid reasons why a person might be out. Even then a person can state any reason and the Gardai have no way of verifying it.

Omackeral

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You don't need to be touching an infected person to get infected folks. Transmission can happen through inanimate objects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRzOK0YUVfs

eagle eye

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

You were talking about your delight with more card less cash the other day and now you have to ask this?

kingshankly

Wouldn’t ya just love to see the cops here adopt the Indian approach and start beating young ones with sticks 😂 then charge to watch the videos would pay for all this mess😂

otnomart

Another reminder that the virus does not spare the young.
There is an 18 year old in Italy fighting for his life - right now.
https://www.cremonaoggi.it/2020/03/27/mattia-intubato-18-anni-messaggio-alla-mamma-lottero/

kilkenny31

otnomart wrote: »

Personally, I do not agree that the Euro was a mistake.
However, if all European Countries do not realise that this is the most serious crisis since WW2 (and the EC was created to avoid just that: a repeat of WW2) and that this crisis needs to be overcome with extraordinary meaures, the EU will die.


Strong article by former ECB Chief on FT (this FT article is free to read):

We face a war against coronavirus and must mobilise accordingly https://www.ft.com/content/c6d2de3a-6ec5-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

The financial outcome of this is not really and EU issue it's a eurozone and ECB issue. They have to act.

owlbethere

The CladdaghCam shows Galway's shop street deserted. There's a few people walking when I was watching and definitely social distancing taking place when I was watching. Very quite for the most part.

Lundstram

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1243871717879144450?s=20

What a thoughtful young lady.

Kermit.de.frog

sterz wrote: »

Doesn't appear to be much of a change in attitude this morning by the looks of things. People still going around in groups and totalling dismissing the message sent out last night.

Wibbs

seamus wrote: »

I think so, the rampant capitalism that allowed for the outsourcing of everything will rein back in. There was a school of thought which believed that a primarily service-oriented economy was a "more evolved" one, but clearly when you lack direct access to manufacturing facilities, then you may be crippled when a global emergency hits.

This was due anyway - the carbon cost of manufacturing everything in China and shipping it around the world was enormous.

For countries in the EU, this will present a good opportunity to build decent local manufacturing bases. Every country doesn't need to be individually self-sufficient.

If we weren't an EU member right now, we'd be in serious ****. We'd be food secure, but running out of almost everything else.

+1000. We need to make more things more locally. relying on China as we in the West have increasingly done is very unwise. Particularly when it's an insular, us first, regime(and to a great degree culture) like China. I read an American view on this and it applies to here and the EU too. He put it like this: We're in a "war" at the moment, but in times like that no nations military would rely on outsourcing the manufacturing of bullets to another nation. Ireland should definitely up its production of pharmaceuticals across the board and not just in relation to this crisis. We're already in that game and should run with that positive.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

An online friend of mine in America with terminal brain cancer got this letter from her hospital. She’s 40. I hope things don’t get bad in her home state and that she doesn’t catch coronavirus. Shit like that is just so scary. To see it written starkly like that is so shocking. I understand the rationale but holy living fuck. And she’s a pretty long-term survivor so she could have a few more years left.

yeah and though they say they'll make decisions on clinical opinion, rather than financial etc, you can bet in an extremely two tier health service, non social medicine setup like America those decisions will be a lot simpler for the rich.

RoryMac

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you order a takeaway how does it work with the restrictions when the delivery guy person comes to your house in terms of delivering it and paying him the person?

Would've thought it was fairly obvious you could pay when ordering and food left at the door?!

niallo27

otnomart wrote: »

Another reminder that the virus does not spare the young.
There is an 18 year old in Italy fighting for his life - right now.
https://www.cremonaoggi.it/2020/03/27/mattia-intubato-18-anni-messaggio-alla-mamma-lottero/

Do we really need this, people are worried enough.

namloc1980

kingshankly wrote: »

Wouldn’t ya just love to see the cops here adopt the Indian approach and start beating young ones with sticks 😂 then charge to watch the videos would pay for all this mess😂

Did you see the video of the police on Brazil clearing a beach? Shooting people at point blank range with non lethal rounds. Unreal.

homah_7ft

Deleted User wrote: »

It can be done online.

Perfect, make doing the lotto it online only.

namloc1980

RoryMac wrote: »

Would've thought it was fairly obvious you could pay when ordering and food left at the door?!

Yes indeed. Unfortunately common sense and obvious solutions to problems seem to be gone completely out the door. Staying at home seems to be affecting people's brains to think logically.

otnomart

otnomart wrote: »

It can be done.
Italy is flying many patients from the North to other Regions that have more capacity in ICU.The Air Force use special biohazard trolleys (I posted this photo earlier).
France has also transferred some patients from Corsica to Marseille by Military ship.

Another example of patients being transferred: this time from France to Germany via military chopper.
Ireland should reach an agreement with the UK now, not wait till the ICUs are full.




https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-un-helicoptere-militaire-evacue-des-malades-de-metz-vers-l-allemagne-1883987.html

khalessi

otnomart wrote: »

Another example of patients being transferred: this time from France to Germany via military chopper.
Ireland should reach an agreement with the UK now, not wait till the ICUs are full.




https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-un-helicoptere-militaire-evacue-des-malades-de-metz-vers-l-allemagne-1883987.html

UK are overrun

Professor Moriarty

otnomart wrote: »

Another example of patients being transferred: this time from France to Germany via military chopper.
Ireland should reach an agreement with the UK now, not wait till the ICUs are full.




https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-un-helicoptere-militaire-evacue-des-malades-de-metz-vers-l-allemagne-1883987.html

Export or import?

clarky280

They've been pretty clear construction sites have been deemed non-essential, but does anyone think this allows to houses that are halfway through renovations/repairs. Some of these houses might be left without electricity, water or heating if these works aren't continued...

El Weirdo

storker wrote: »

Aaaargh!!! The cruelty! That gets me to just 100m short of the sea front! A curse on our conversion to metric measurements!

Me too.


Do you live in my house?

walshb

Are ‘general’ flights in and out of Ireland still happening?

tromtipp

I've just had a text from AES saying they've been designated as an essential service and bins will be collected as usual - presumably the same for all waste services. Not all superheroes wear capes - that's a job I really wouldn't want to do at this time - I hope they have adequate PPE.

completedit

One thing about this crisis, it just shows how absolutely petrified by death we all are. Doesn’t matter if you’re 90 or 40, once you reach the age where the tho7ht of mortality becomes a part of your immediate future, we will do everything to stop it, including shutting down whole economies leading to economic catastrophe so a 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home.

We shouldn’t fear death, will come to us all but humanity acts as if death is not a universal experience. Just have to hope there is something beyond.

namloc1980

otnomart wrote: »

Another example of patients being transferred: this time from France to Germany via military chopper.
Ireland should reach an agreement with the UK now, not wait till the ICUs are full.




https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-un-helicoptere-militaire-evacue-des-malades-de-metz-vers-l-allemagne-1883987.html

Why would we want to import UK cases? They're heading for a catastrophic situation. We have enough to deal with here with our own cases.

is_that_so

Update on construction.

Minister for Health Simon Harris has confirmed that construction workers will not be considered “essential” workers for the duration of the crisis.

On Newstalk Breakfast with Susan Keogh this morning, he said construction workers will only be permitted to continue at work if they are building something that is essential to the pandemic.

amadangomor

completedit wrote: »

One thing about this crisis, it just shows how absolutely petrified by death we all are. Doesn’t matter if you’re 90 or 40, once you reach the age where the tho7ht of mortality becomes a part of your immediate future, we will do everything to stop it, including shutting down whole economies leading to economic catastrophe so a 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home.

We shouldn’t fear death, will come to us all but humanity acts as if death is not a universal experience.

Wow, just wow.

otnomart

niallo27 wrote: »

Do we really need this, people are worried enough.

The intention is not to scare or worry.
Clearly, there are teens and young adults that have not been taking this seriously (meeting their friends in parks and fields, and other reckless behaviours)

A reminder that other people in their age group can also get this virus and been severely sick, can be an eye opener.

Leo decommissioned out helicopter only months ago. The hypocrisy of the GOVT is unreal, clapping for staff who had to strike in order to get a few extra quid. Not doing anything for supermarket staff on zero hour contracts... Clap now and when /if all is said and done, look after them.

completedit

completedit wrote: »

One thing about this crisis, it just shows how absolutely petrified by death we all are. Doesn’t matter if you’re 90 or 40, once you reach the age where the tho7ht of mortality becomes a part of your immediate future, we will do everything to stop it, including shutting down whole economies leading to economic catastrophe so a 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home.

We shouldn’t fear death, will come to us all but humanity acts as if death is not a universal experience. Just have to hope there is something beyond.

I fear people like you more than death.

BanditLuke

niallo27 wrote: »

Do we really need this, people are worried enough.

Yes, yes we do.

Still thickos out running, cycling, going to the off licence etc..

Sofiztikated

completedit wrote: »

One thing about this crisis, it just shows how absolutely petrified by death we all are. Doesn’t matter if you’re 90 or 40, once you reach the age where the tho7ht of mortality becomes a part of your immediate future, we will do everything to stop it, including shutting down whole economies leading to economic catastrophe so a 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home.

We shouldn’t fear death, will come to us all but humanity acts as if death is not a universal experience.

Or maybe that many people can live a little while longer.

D'ya know what, you might want to change the D in your name to a T.

TheDenialTwist

kingshankly wrote: »

Wouldn’t ya just love to see the cops here adopt the Indian approach and start beating young ones with sticks 😂 then charge to watch the videos would pay for all this mess😂

Those videos were crazy weren't they?

The cops beating them with sticks for not adhering and filming while doing so...

They thought nah no fines here, let's beat them with sticks...

Here it will most likely be a harsh reprimand I think.

I think most people will abide to the guidelines but there's always the morons who just don't care.

completedit

amadangomor wrote: »

Wow, just wow.

What is the problem that people have? What is a natural death or a good way to die? Stop trying to distort what I’m saying.

Sorry if it comes across crass, just trying to offer a different perspective.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/irishechoaus/status/1243793528058269696

Wibbs

tromtipp wrote: »

I've just had a text from AES saying they've been designated as an essential service and bins will be collected as usual - presumably the same for all waste services. Not all superheroes wear capes - that's a job I really wouldn't want to do at this time - I hope they have adequate PPE.

+1 and be bloody sure to wash your hands like your life depends on it when you bring your bins in. It just might. Wash before you leave them out too, to help protect them.

otnomart

otnomart wrote: »

The intention is not to scare or worry.
Clearly, there are teens and young adults that have not been taking this seriously (meeting their friends in parks and fields, and other reckless behaviours)

A reminder that other people in their age group can also get this virus and been severely sick, can be an eye opener.

But also stuff like that gives pause for though to old people "if an 18yr old is struggling, what chance do I have". We don't need to see that stuff TBH.

otnomart

namloc1980 wrote: »

Why would we want to import UK cases? They're heading for a catastrophic situation. We have enough to deal with here with our own cases.

Of course I meant an agreement by which Irish patients can be trasferred to the UK, when ICUs in Ireland are full.
The UK has the capacity to create more ICU beds, while Ireland does not have such capacity.

Rob A. Bank

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

An online friend of mine in America with terminal brain cancer got this letter from her hospital. She’s 40. I hope things don’t get bad in her home state and that she doesn’t catch coronavirus. Shit like that is just so scary. To see it written starkly like that is so shocking. I understand the rationale but holy living fuck. And she’s a pretty long-term survivor so she could have a few more years left.

So the poor lady is being triaged even before she reaches the hospital !

A lot of Americans have their health insurance tied to their employment. With the current downturn, the loss of the job also means loss of health insurance and an average bill of $35,000 for Covid treatment.

If ICU is involved in the treatment the cost becomes astronomical for the average individual.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/27/coronavirus-pandemic-americans-health-insurance

Ever since Mary Harney started the rush to private medicine in this country, the number of private hospitals has mushroomed and the public hospitals have been starved of resources.

Are we sure this privatized medicine is the right course for Ireland ?

khalessi

completedit wrote: »

One thing about this crisis, it just shows how absolutely petrified by death we all are. Doesn’t matter if you’re 90 or 40, once you reach the age where the tho7ht of mortality becomes a part of your immediate future, we will do everything to stop it, including shutting down whole economies leading to economic catastrophe so a 90 year old can live a few more months in a nursing home.

We shouldn’t fear death, will come to us all but humanity acts as if death is not a universal experience. Just have to hope there is something beyond.

But id like to put it off for as long as possible

Its not just for 90 year olds

Its for everyone

Its for anyone with Cystic Fibrosis or other lung conditions

Its for young people without underlying conditions

Its for your parents siblings relatives and friends

Youngest person who has dies of it so far worldwide that has been recorded is 16