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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Ireland Coronavirus Statistics - Day 29 - Saturday 28/03/2020

    Today's Stats:-
    Total cases: 2415
    Daily case increase: 13.86%
    Daily case confirmation increase/decrease: -2.65%
    Mortality rate: 1.49%
    Recovery rate: 0.21%
    Poplulation infected: 0.049%

    Average daily cases change since day 1 (29/02/20): 35.15%
    Average daily cases change last 10 days (since 19/03/20): 21.19%
    Average daily cases change last 7 days (since 22/03/20): 17.45%
    Average daily cases last 3 days (since 26/03/20): 15.59%

    Average daily case confirmation since day 1 (29/02/20): 42.02%
    Average daily case confirmation last 10 days (since 19/03/20): 23.73%
    Average daily case confirmation last 7 days (since 22/03/20): 18.89%
    Average daily case confirmation last 3 days (since 26/03/20): 8.10%


    For comparrison, yesterday's day 1, 3 day, 7 day and 10 day averages:-
    GM228 wrote: »
    Average daily cases change since day 1 (29/02/20): 35.92%
    Average daily cases change last 10 days (since 18/03/20): 22.34%
    Average daily cases change last 7 days (since 21/03/20): 17.61%
    Average daily cases last 3 days (since 25/03/20): 16.86%

    Average daily case confirmation since day 1 (29/02/20): 43.62%
    Average daily case confirmation last 10 days (since 18/03/20): 24.72%
    Average daily case confirmation last 7 days (since 21/03/20): 16.55%
    Average daily case confirmation last 3 days (since 25/03/20): 14.05%



    DAY
    |
    DATE
    |
    Cases
    |
    New Cases
    |
    Total Cases
    |
    Case Increase
    |
    Daily Reporting Change
    |
    Deaths to date
    |
    Mortality Rate
    |
    Hospitalised
    |
    Hospital Rate
    |
    ICU
    |
    ICU Rate
    |
    *Recovered
    |
    Recovery Rate
    |
    Population %

    1|29/02/2020|0|1|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    2|01/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    3|02/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    4|03/03/2020|1|1|2|100.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    5|04/03/2020|2|4|6|200.00%|300.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    6|05/03/2020|6|7|13|116.67%|75.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    7|06/03/2020|13|5|18|38.46%|-28.57%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    8|07/03/2020|18|1|19|5.56%|-80.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    9|08/03/2020|19|2|21|10.53%|100.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    10|09/03/2020|21|3|24|14.29%|50.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    11|10/03/2020|24|10|34|41.67%|233.33%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
    12|11/03/2020|34|9|43|26.47%|-10.00%|1|2.33%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
    13|12/03/2020|43|27|70|62.79%|200.00%|1|1.43%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
    14|13/03/2020|70|20|90|28.57%|-25.93%|1|1.11%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.002%
    15|14/03/2020|90|39|129|43.33%|95.00%|2|1.55%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%
    16|15/03/2020|129|40|169|31.01%|2.56%|2|1.18%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%
    17|16/03/2020|169|54|223|31.95%|35.00%|2|0.90%|84|37.7%|6|2.69%|5|2.24%|0.005%
    18|17/03/2020|223|69|292|30.94%|27.78%|2|0.68%|108|37%|7|2.40%|5|1.71%|0.006%
    19|18/03/2020|292|74|366|25.34%|7.25%|2|0.55%|140|38.8%|12|3.28%%|5|1.37%|0.007%
    20|19/03/2020|366|191|557|52.19%|158.11%|3|0.54%|173|31.1%|13|2.33%|5|0.9%|0.011%
    21|20/03/2020|557|126|683|22.62%|-34.03%|3|0.44%|211|30.9%|13|1.90%|5|0.73%|0.014%
    22|21/03/2020|683|102|785|14.93%|-19.05%|3|0.38%|239|30.4%|25|3.18%|5|0.64%|0.016%
    23|22/03/2020|785|121|906|15.41%|18.63%|4|0.44%|277|30.6%|36|3.97%|5|0.64%|0.018%
    24|23/03/2020|906|219|1125|24.17%|80.99%|6|0.53%|305|27.1%|39|3.47%|5|0.44%|0.023%
    25|24/03/2020|1129|204|1329|18.13%|-6.85%|7|0.53%|340|25.61|47|3.54%|5|0.38%|0.027%
    26|25/03/2020|1329|235|1564|17.68%|15.20%|9|0.58%|419|26.8%|59|3.77%|5|0.32%|0.032%
    27|26/03/2020|1564|255|1819|16.30%|8.51%|19|1.04%|489|26.9|67|3.68%|5|0.27%|0.037%
    28|27/03/2020|1819|302|2121|16.60%|18.43%|22|1.04%|NR|NR|67|3.16%|5|0.24%|0.043%
    29|28/03/2020|2121|294|2415|13.86%|-2.65%|36|1.49%|NR|NR|67|2.77%|5|0.21%|0.049%

    NR = Not Reported

    Source: Department of Health and the Health Protection Surveillaence Centre.

    *"Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data suplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting.

    Day 20 - Thursday 19/03/20 Stats
    Day 21 - Friday 20/03/20 Stats
    Day 22 - Saturday 21/03/20 Stats
    Day 23 - Sunday 22/03/20 Stats
    Day 24 - Monday 23/03/20 Stats
    Day 25 - Tuesday 24/03/20 Stats
    Day 26 - Wednesday 25/03/20 Stats
    Day 27 - Thursday 26/03/20 Stats
    Day 28 - Friday 27/03/20 Stats


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    No.

    You're ****ed anyway whether you face up to it or not.


  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In just under 4 months this has killed over 30000 people,a thing that did not exist,and it's only beginning, people go on about other viruses that kill more,they have been around decades ,years.. this thing,the measures been taken tells me it's worse then I'm seeing ..

    Not a chance I believe Chinese figures .

    It's hard to fathom but the world as we know it may have changed forever.

    Not trying to scare or enflame

    60% of deaths have been in last week or 2....we're online to have 10K deaths a day across the world inside the month


    Chinas deaths must be in the 45-48K mark imo


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno



    That will end well....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    timhenn wrote: »
    You're ****ed anyway whether you face up to it or not.

    Still no.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    This was in a video that was linked earlier. It's a sign on a window in China saying


    "We currently don't except visitors with a temperature of 37.3"

    Why is their temperature for fever set low at 37.3?



    I thought here the temperature to look out for and for self isolation is 37.8?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭Naos


    FVP3 wrote: »
    That's the law, it has always been like that.

    Yes, I'm well aware of that. It's the reason I said they should be less strict.

    You do understand what is happening, right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    johnfás wrote: »
    50% of the worlds ventilators are manufactured in Ireland we are exporting....

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1123803/

    We are not in dire straights. Yet anyway.

    We are also a tiny country that is economically subservient to larger countries that will likely end up in as bad a situation as Italy. i.e. the US.

    We are going to be in a very difficult situation if we do end up peaking at the same time at the parent countries of many of those manufactures. Hopefully other companies will step up and allow us to skirt the problem completely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Made in Ireland by American companies.

    With imported parts


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    No one recognises Taiwan. It’s viewed by most nations as a renegade Chinese Provence.

    I recognise Taiwan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,628 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    owlbethere wrote: »
    This was in a video that was linked earlier. It's a sign on a window in China saying

    "We currently don't except visitors with a temperature of 37.3"

    Why is their temperature for fever set low at 37.3?

    I thought here the temperature to look out for and for self isolation is 37.8?

    I thought 39 or higher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭johnfás


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Made in Ireland by American companies.

    Sure. Irish incorporated subsidiaries of American companies which are subject to Irish law. So Ireland could do what Italy did, but didn’t. Just a fact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭mouldybiscuits


    FVP3 wrote: »
    You should try that logic with everything you read about China, since I doubt you are reading the Chinese press. The press you are reading is one that convinced its ovine population to go to war with Iraq on a tissue of lies.



    It cant be fully controlled without a vaccine. It been fully reported that they are relaxing some but not all restrictions. Then if the case numbers increase, unrelax the restrictions. That's what we are going to have to do for the rest of the year.




    Because cases are rising again, which they are in fact showing in their statistics.



    In response to Trump banning Chinese journalists. They have only expelled US journalists, not Western journalists.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/mar/18/us-media-accuse-china-of-cold-war-mentality-after-move-to-expel-journalists

    Wow I wasn't expecting so see this kind of logical opinion on boards. Most have become closed minded due to Western propaganda. Well said.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    Still no.

    Come back tome in a year if we're both still alive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,943 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Funkfield wrote: »
    I was thinking there should probably be some tax incentives or programs like the military discount in the USA.

    https://militarybenefits.info/military-discounts/

    There should be, funded by a levy on Tesco and other food multiples and off licenses. They are the only ones creaming it now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    timhenn wrote: »
    Come back tome in a year if we're both still alive.

    Few cans, be grand. (No)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,713 ✭✭✭This is it


    timhenn wrote: »
    Come back tome in a year if we're both still alive.

    No :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,589 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    timhenn wrote: »
    We are. This isn't going to end anytime soon. It's time to face the reality.

    Why don't you go off and face it on your own.

    Now is not the time for panicking and scaremongering.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    The range is staying open.

    Essential service because they sell pet food. I kid you not.

    Laughable ffs.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭Un1corn


    You should have read past the headline because none of those articles support your argument that China are lying about the numbers. If you want to talk about free press in China I suggest you start a thread but I dont think many will disagree with you.



    Why did we hear about the first out break then if China has complete control of the media and what the world hears?



    Why are WHO saying China's numbers are legitimate? Are they part of the conspiracy?
    Why are China sending all these medical products abroad if they are needed at home?


    Are all the doctors and nurses that have been sent to Italy also part of the conspiracy?


    Your dislike of the CCP has blinded you so that you no longer look at the evidence which is overwhelming supportive of WHO and China.



    Is there any evidence that China is now hiding numbers? If there is please point it out.

    The interview is nearly a month old , its not really relevant at the moment in terms of what China's numbers are.

    The cat got out of the bag and Beijing realized they couldn't suppress it anymore. Initially, one of the first doctors Dr. Wenliang to report the virus and among others were arrested and told to stop spreading rumors about the virus. When China realized what they were dealing with they reported it to the WHO. You can read about Dr. Wenliang here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

    There are many other reports also.

    China sending medical aid abroad is a soft power/propaganda move. They are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. They only care about maintaining power and securing their economy so that they can continue to rule. Sending a few doctors and letting maybe some Chinese people suffer as a consequence is nothing to them. I also suspect they are terrified of being on the hook for this when it does die down. They don't want western industry to decouple their production lines from China. It is suicide for the regime once they can no longer deliver economic growth.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    Few cans, be grand.

    I've had 20 cans, they're not working. Maybe I should aim for 30. Things might be better then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    https://twitter.com/dfatirl/status/1244000264522170371


    Quite a few countries in Europe sending equipment back to China for being faulty/shoddy


    #i'mjustsayin

    One factory. It's interesting how the US media, particularly the right wing media, controls the narrative. I've seen these reports turn up today on a number of sites, here and reddit by right wingers.

    Clearly there's an agenda

    Oh and the US has done nothing for Europe except blame us for the virus and try and steal our tech.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    timhenn wrote: »
    I've had 20 cans, they're not working. Maybe I should aim for 30. Things might be better then.

    Yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I thought 39 or higher

    38 is a fever
    39 is a higher fever
    40/41 is higher again.


    For this because it's new and contagious and to contain the virus - the UK health authorities are saying to self isolate at 37.8.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,943 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The range is staying open.

    Essential service because they sell pet food. I kid you not.

    Laughable ffs.

    Everywhere is closed except everywhere...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    Why don't you go off and face it on your own.

    Now is not the time for panicking and scaremongering.

    It is! We're all ****ed. There's no getting away from this. I have sources in China, they were trying to open up certain things gradually, they've had to close them again.

    You mightn't want to believe me but sooner or later you will realise I was telling you the truth. We are ****ed.

    Mod-Banned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It would be nice if there were tip jars in supermarkets that was shared amongst the floor staff, they're not getting paid what they deserve during this mess


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,682 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    I think every health care worker should get a bonus after this !!

    Why? The thousands who have sacrificed their jobs and financial futures will have gone through more. The health care workers are doing great, as usual, but that is their jobs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    What do you think will change forever?

    How things work,the financial effect of this alone could set us back years,if it stays around for say 6 months,a year,how long can we lock down ..
    Longer?

    What then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,589 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    timhenn wrote: »
    It is! We're all ****ed. There's no getting away from this. I have sources in China, they were trying to open up certain things gradually, they've had to close them again.

    You mightn't want to believe me but sooner or later you will realise I was telling you the truth. We are ****ed.

    So what will I do now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    60% of deaths have been in last week or 2....we're online to have 10K deaths a day across the world inside the month


    Chinas deaths must be in the 45-48K mark imo

    Italys deaths are likely much higher too as mayor of Bergamo said anyone dying at home is not counted in official statistics


  • Registered Users Posts: 291 ✭✭TOMs WIFE


    timhenn wrote: »
    We are. This isn't going to end anytime soon. It's time to face the reality.
    timhenn wrote: »
    We're all ****ed.
    timhenn wrote: »
    Come back tome in a year if we're both still alive.
    timhenn wrote: »
    It is! We're all ****ed. There's no getting away from this. I have sources in China, they were trying to open up certain things gradually, they've had to close them again.

    You mightn't want to believe me but sooner or later you will realise I was telling you the truth. We are ****ed.


    It might not end any time soon, but saying the above is not only incorrect, but childish. Or perhaps you are simple.

    Grow up.


  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FVP3 wrote: »
    One factory. It's interesting how the US media, particularly the right wing media, controls the narrative. I've seen these reports turn up today on a number of sites, here and reddit by right wingers.

    Clearly there's an agenda

    Oh and the US has done nothing for Europe except blame us for the virus and try and steal our tech.

    Aye,bribing that company in germany for sole use of a vaccine,will forever haunt them when all this is over


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,943 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    FVP3 wrote: »
    One factory. It's interesting how the US media, particularly the right wing media, controls the narrative. I've seen these reports turn up today on a number of sites, here and reddit by right wingers.

    Clearly there's an agenda

    Oh and the US has done nothing for Europe except blame us for the virus and try and steal our tech.

    lol, what tech?

    There is no agenda from me. I'm just not being a shill for China trying to change the narrative of what their own country has exported.

    If China lets credible media in to the locked down regions and they report on the ground I will be more accepting.

    But they won't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Tandey



    It’s who they are really isn’t it. Just tell them to be themselves.


    Stay IN.DIAN!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 452 ✭✭Logan Roy


    How things work,the financial effect of this alone could set us back years,if it stays around for say 6 months,a year,how long can we lock down ..
    Longer?

    What then.

    How what works? I’d love to hear some examples instead of throwaway comments. We won’t be in lockdown for anything like 6 months let alone a year. It’s just not possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31



    That's worrying. I did here an expert talk on TV tho. They mentioned that kids are OK but there was concern for babies under the age of 1.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    johnfás wrote: »
    50% of the worlds ventilators are manufactured in Ireland we are exporting....

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1123803/
    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Made in Ireland by American companies.

    Trump was having discussions with General Motors to retool and start producing ventilators so those companies in Ireland obviously can't ramp up to cope with any kind of demand. Talks with GM broke down and last night he invoked the Defense Production Act to force them under law to start making them.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1243557418556162050


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭Sober Crappy Chemis


    timhenn wrote: »
    I have sources in China.

    Not sure that yer man who makes your three-in-one qualifies as a reputable source , innit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭Lavinia


    Un1corn wrote: »
    China sending medical aid abroad is a soft power/propaganda move. They are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.
    Would you prefer them not doing it?
    I guess you'd have the same negative comment if not worse if they'd refuse to export




    (some people are so hard to please...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Does anyone really think that our little country will escape the devastation of Holland, Belgium, Germany, Spain, France, Italy and etc.?

    I really hope we will, but I dunno.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭Tandey


    Not sure that yer man who makes your three-in-one qualifies as a reputable source , innit.

    Why not if he has family in China?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    If you ever go across the sea to Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    voluntary wrote: »
    The same world where people die of hunger in Africa and we don't even get any news about them.

    Very true, 20,000 die of starvation every single day and the world doesnt even blink
    Marlow wrote: »
    Bill Gates predicted it 5 years ago.




    /M

    I watched that video a few days ago. Ive so much respect for Bill Gates. He was once the worlds richest man and he could be retired sitting on a $500m super yacht in the Caribbean enjoying his senior years. But instead he has reinvented himself as a major advocate of public health for the worlds poorest people and is going to see out his life donating his vast fortune towards solving problems like malaria and polio.

    It would make you wonder what our own lot are doing. Denis o'Brien was all over the Haiti earthquake yet all we have out of him on this is radio silence. Same goes for Goodman, the o'Reillys, JP McManus, Dermot Desmond, et al. And before anyone says they might be donating in private- these lads have buildings named after them on university campuses so they are not discreet when they do throw a few crumbs on the table.

    In the context of us having a very low number of ICU beds per capita when this is over Govt. are going to have to take a look at the free and easy ride they have given these billionaires. Its all take, take, take with them. They're not half the man Bill Gates is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    That's worrying. I did here an expert talk on TV tho. They mentioned that kids are OK but there was concern for babies under the age of 1.

    The tweet says death of a baby who tested positive.
    Never said cause of death was due to the disease.

    I'd wait til exact cause and history known.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    If you ever go across the sea to Ireland

    Ah stop. My Dad used to sing that, bless him.

    So much for me trying to stay positive now :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,943 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Corkgirl20 wrote: »
    I think every health care worker should get a bonus after this !!

    Absolutely, there’ll be plenty of money for bonuses for everyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Un1corn wrote: »
    The cat got out of the bag and Beijing realized they couldn't suppress it anymore.

    Beijing didn't suppress Dr Wenliang, the local communist party did. Beijing acted swiftly once it found out. In fact there were 400 cases in Wuhan when it was forced into lockdown.
    Initially, one of the first doctors Dr. Wenliang to report the virus and among others were arrested and told to stop spreading rumors about the virus. When China realized what they were dealing with they reported it to the WHO. You can read about Dr. Wenliang here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

    We all know this story. Nevertheless the reports to the WHO were still very timely. It takes time to know if a virus is novel or not, and the H1N1 virus took 6 months to isolate.
    China sending medical aid abroad is a soft power/propaganda move. They are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. They only care about maintaining power and securing their economy so that they can continue to rule. Sending a few doctors and letting maybe some Chinese people suffer as a consequence is nothing to them. I also suspect they are terrified of being on the hook for this when it does die down. They don't want western industry to decouple their production lines from China. It is suicide for the regime once they can no longer deliver economic growth.

    Sure, it's a soft power move. Maybe the US should try help Europe, rather than try propagandise their way out of it, and steal German tech.

    The US, which will probably be the worst affected country in the world in absolute terms, is running strong interference here. It's the evil chinese, who informed the WHO about the virus in Dec 2019, who are responsible for this rather than the incompetence in


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