CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

Un1corn

Lavinia wrote: »

Would you prefer them not doing it?
I guess you'd have the same negative comment if not worse if they'd refuse to export




(some people are so hard to please...)

I don't care about if they send aid or not. I want the Party to be held to account for this mess. They are doing everything they can to wipe their hands of it.

Talisman

cameramonkey wrote: »

I think the HSE are being deliberately vague on some issues. They seem to answer questions about testing or equipment shortages with answers that are about what they will hope will be the situation in a day or week.

I would like to know, how many ICU beds have we? How many test are being carried out and processed a day? How many test have been carried out? It does not seem that difficult answers those questions.

It's a little insight into the bureaucracy in the HSE.

Tandey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Does anyone really think that our little country will escape the devastation of Holland, Belgium, Germany, Spain, France, Italy and etc.?

I really hope we will, but I dunno.

There are reasons to be positive.

amadangomor

How will it work with people going to work in essential services?

Will they just tell a guard if asked or will people be expected to carry permits/printed sheet saying where you work?

Spanish Eyes

Talisman wrote: »

It's a little insight into the bureaucracy in the HSE.

Union based I think. But hopefully it's all change going forward.

With due respect to those donning PPE when they can get it, and put their lives on the line looking after those who are sick. The pen pushers can feck right off now.

New Home

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

No genocide there.

Was he in ICU?

Gael23

What has gone wrong in Italy? Seems like a horror movie.

Lavinia

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Conor_Coops/status/1243973283646787587

yes but it was the same story last week when few days the rates were dropping, but then spiked again..

one day is not enough to say this is slowing down

Un1corn

FVP3 wrote: »

Beijing didn't suppress Dr Wenliang, the local communist party did. Beijing acted swiftly once it found out. In fact there were 400 cases in Wuhan when it was forced into lockdown.

I would be skeptical about this. The Communists in Wuhan answer to the Communists in Beijing. One and the same. For sure the left hand might not know what the right is doing but ultimately the central government are responsible for the governance of their country. It is convenient for the Beijing party to say it was the Wuhan authorities who covered up. This way they can sell it to the nation they are not incompetent but just the leaders of Wuhan.

Tandey

amadangomor wrote: »

How will it work with people going to work in essential services?

Will they just tell a guard if asked or will people be expected to carry permits/printed sheet saying where you work?

Expected to carry printed sheet from place of work is what we are being told.

Muahahaha

Heres a stat I hadnt seen before

The median age of confirmed cases as of 1pm today is 46 years, data from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre shows.

26% of all cases have been hospitalised.

445 cases are associated with healthcare workers. Dublin has 56% of all cases and overall community transmission now accounts for 52% of confirmed cases.

26% of 2,415 is 628 people hospitalised with the virus. It must be chaos in there, huge respect for the staff

FVP3

Un1corn wrote: »

I don't care about if they send aid or not. I want the Party to be held to account for this mess. They are doing everything they can to wipe their hands of it.

They arent responsible. Europe and the US had plenty of time to get their own house in order.

On the subject of bad tests.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615323/why-the-cdc-botched-its-coronavirus-testing/

On February 5 the [American] CDC began to send out coronavirus test kits, but many of the kits were soon found to have faulty negative controls (what shows up when coronavirus is absent), caused by contaminated reagents. This was probably a side effect of a rushed job to put the kits together. Labs with failed negative controls had to ship their samples to the CDC itself for testing.

cameramonkey

Un1corn wrote: »

The cat got out of the bag and Beijing realized they couldn't suppress it anymore. Initially, one of the first doctors Dr. Wenliang to report the virus and among others were arrested and told to stop spreading rumors about the virus. When China realized what they were dealing with they reported it to the WHO. You can read about Dr. Wenliang here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

There are many other reports also.

China sending medical aid abroad is a soft power/propaganda move. They are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. They only care about maintaining power and securing their economy so that they can continue to rule. Sending a few doctors and letting maybe some Chinese people suffer as a consequence is nothing to them. I also suspect they are terrified of being on the hook for this when it does die down. They don't want western industry to decouple their production lines from China. It is suicide for the regime once they can no longer deliver economic growth.

Is there any evidence that China is now hiding numbers? If there is please point it out.

jesus_thats_gre

amadangomor wrote: »

How will it work with people going to work in essential services?

Will they just tell a guard if asked or will people be expected to carry permits/printed sheet saying where you work?

It's Ireland in fairness. Simple explanation and a nurse/doctor will be on their way in 15 seconds.

Really do worry that people are losing their ability to think for themselves.

caveat emptor

RoYoBo wrote: »

I'd be keen to get one of these and monitor myself and OH at home if the worst happens. Unfortunately, the delivery estimate for these items is mid May at best. Probably have to come from China.

Sorry to hear that. I was just thinking about things to help. I got a masks for family first week in Jan. Wife thought I was mental. I got one of those mid feb and arrived in 3 days.

Here's one arriving 3rd of April. Might be too long but they look fairly plentiful for now.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pediatric-XNUO-Saturation-Clinically-Rechargeable/dp/B07PZBRFJD/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=pulse+oximeter&qid=1585430974&refinements=p_76%3A419158031

Quicker to arrive than my online shopping

mouldybiscuits

FVP3 wrote: »

One factory. It's interesting how the US media, particularly the right wing media, controls the narrative. I've seen these reports turn up today on a number of sites, here and reddit by right wingers.

Clearly there's an agenda

Oh and the US has done nothing for Europe except blame us for the virus and try and steal our tech.

This. China and Russia have both donated lots of equipment to vulnerable countries and they're dealing with the virus themselves. USA still manages to convince everyone they're the 'bad guys' with their usual propaganda campaigns. Shame on the USA for this, a time where all the world is united apart from them.

cloudatlas

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Why do the WHO refuse to recognise Taiwan?? The girl in this video was asking the WHO official about the effects of the Coronavirus in Taiwan and the spokesman firstly said he couldn't hear her question, then told her to move on the next question. She persisted and the WHO official included of Taiwan under "all regions of China" refusing to recognise it as a state and only spoke of it in terms of China? Why??
https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1243977329132613633

They can't get involved in politics they as an organisation are supposed to be apolitical that's why they've been very careful not to condemn actions by certain countries. She knew what she was asking and that she was putting him on the spot.

ShyMets

amadangomor wrote: »

How will it work with people going to work in essential services?

Will they just tell a guard if asked or will people be expected to carry permits/printed sheet saying where you work?

I work for a semi state body which has been deemed an essential service. Luckily my area can work from home. But all staff have been sent a letter from the CEO stating they are an essential worker. This is to be produced if stopped by a guard.

Spanish Eyes

New Home wrote: »

Was he in ICU?

No offence intended NH, but you need to face reality. Triage for ICU/Ventilators has been with us for a long time before this crisis.

Some qualified for treatment based on potential outcomes, some didn't. That's a clinical decision by the medics best able to advise families. I trust them.

Un1corn

FVP3 wrote: »

They arent responsible. Europe and the US had plenty of time to get their own house in order.

On the subject of bad tests.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615323/why-the-cdc-botched-its-coronavirus-testing/

On February 5 the [American] CDC began to send out coronavirus test kits, but many of the kits were soon found to have faulty negative controls (what shows up when coronavirus is absent), caused by contaminated reagents. This was probably a side effect of a rushed job to put the kits together. Labs with failed negative controls had to ship their samples to the CDC itself for testing.

I never said the responses from Europe or the US were apt. I said this could have been avoided if the Chinese authorities didn't try to hush it up. The virus originated in Wuhan and they lost precious time locking up whistleblowers.

Acey10

has anyone been stopped by the guards out today?

greenfield21

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Aye,bribing that company in germany for sole use of a vaccine,will forever haunt them when all this is over

Yet the company denied that, the media were so desperate to get a story out against trump they found a random "source" in the German government without ever fact checking it.

jesus_thats_gre

Lavinia wrote: »

yes but it was the same story last week when few days the rates were dropping, but then spiked again..

one day is not enough to say this is slowing down

Trending steadily down for 2 weeks.

Kermit.de.frog

Deaths are starting to tick up now in Germany, 82 new deaths today and nearly 7,000 new cases. Brings the total number of deaths to 433.

Whilst the rate of increase in deaths is sharply increasing the country still has an extraordinary low death rate compared to every other country.

jackboy

cloudatlas wrote: »

They can't get involved in politics they as an organisation are supposed to be apolitical that's why they've been very careful not to condemn actions by certain countries. She knew what she was asking and that she was putting him on the spot.

His answer clearly inferred that Taiwan is part of China so he did give a political answer.

FVP3

Un1corn wrote: »

I would be skeptical about this.

of course you would.

The Communists in Wuhan answer to the Communists in Beijing. One and the same. For sure the left hand might not know what the right is doing but ultimately the central government are responsible for the governance of their country. It is convenient for the Beijing party to say it was the Wuhan authorities who covered up. This way they can sell it to the nation they are not incompetent but just the leaders of Wuhan.

Of course they report to the central Government, but that doesn't mean that the central government can know everything all the time. As I said when they did, the Beijing government acted, and quickly. This is the opposite of the neo con propaganda. However, as I will post in the next thread, the sheer bloody minded incompetence of the Trump regime, is responsible for the spread in the US, as is the general incompetence of US officialdom.

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It would be nice if there were tip jars in supermarkets that was shared amongst the floor staff, they're not getting paid what they deserve during this mess

Admirable sentiment, but physical notes and coins are a bad idea right now - perhaps anpatreon account or similar?

amadangomor

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

It's Ireland in fairness. Simple explanation and a nurse/doctor will be on their way in 15 seconds.

Really do worry that people are losing their ability to think for themselves.

Your clarity could do with some working on. Haven't a clue what you are nattering on about, maybe think about getting some writing lessons.

mosii

China has thousands more deaths then its saying,its a totalitarian country,and has been lying for years about everything.We cant rely on them.

Funsterdelux

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

It might not end any time soon, but saying the above is not only incorrect, but childish. Or perhaps you are simple.

Grow up.

Hes between 20 and 30 cans, so that probably doesnt help

testtech05

greenfield21 wrote: »

Yet the company denied that, the media were so desperate to get a story out against trump they found a random "source" in the German government without ever fact checking it.

Didn't the owner of the company come out and say he had turned them down??

Acey10

Acey10 wrote: »

has anyone been stopped by the guards out today?

I know a fella that was stopped at three different checkpoints

XsApollo

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Why do the WHO refuse to recognise Taiwan?? The girl in this video was asking the WHO official about the effects of the Coronavirus in Taiwan and the spokesman firstly said he couldn't hear her question, then told her to move on the next question. She persisted and the WHO official included of Taiwan under "all regions of China" refusing to recognise it as a state and only spoke of it in terms of China? Why??
https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1243977329132613633

Because The WHO bend to China’s will it’s pretty simple.
Also that Hopkins fella removed all mention of Taiwan also after being pressured by them.
Bloody disgrace that an organisation like WHO bows to politics.
There are 25 million people In taiwan and the country has effectively been ignored and abandoned by the WHO.

Talisman

GM228 wrote: »

Ireland Coronavirus Statistics - Day 29 - Saturday 28/03/2020

Today's Stats:-
Total cases: 2415
Daily case increase: 13.86%
Daily case confirmation increase/decrease: -2.65%
Mortality rate: 1.49%
Recovery rate: 0.21%
Poplulation infected: 0.049%

Average daily cases change since day 1 (29/02/20): 35.15%
Average daily cases change last 10 days (since 19/03/20): 21.19%
Average daily cases change last 7 days (since 22/03/20): 17.45%
Average daily cases last 3 days (since 26/03/20): 15.59%

Average daily case confirmation since day 1 (29/02/20): 42.02%
Average daily case confirmation last 10 days (since 19/03/20): 23.73%
Average daily case confirmation last 7 days (since 22/03/20): 18.89%
Average daily case confirmation last 3 days (since 26/03/20): 8.10%


For comparrison, yesterday's day 1, 3 day, 7 day and 10 day averages:-

DAY

|

DATE

|

Cases

|

New Cases

|

Total Cases

|

Case Increase

|

Daily Reporting Change

|

Deaths to date

|

Mortality Rate

|

Hospitalised

|

Hospital Rate

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ICU

|

ICU Rate

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*Recovered

|

Recovery Rate

|

Population %

1|29/02/2020|0|1|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
2|01/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
3|02/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
4|03/03/2020|1|1|2|100.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
5|04/03/2020|2|4|6|200.00%|300.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
6|05/03/2020|6|7|13|116.67%|75.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
7|06/03/2020|13|5|18|38.46%|-28.57%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
8|07/03/2020|18|1|19|5.56%|-80.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
9|08/03/2020|19|2|21|10.53%|100.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
10|09/03/2020|21|3|24|14.29%|50.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
11|10/03/2020|24|10|34|41.67%|233.33%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
12|11/03/2020|34|9|43|26.47%|-10.00%|1|2.33%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
13|12/03/2020|43|27|70|62.79%|200.00%|1|1.43%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
14|13/03/2020|70|20|90|28.57%|-25.93%|1|1.11%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.002%
15|14/03/2020|90|39|129|43.33%|95.00%|2|1.55%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%
16|15/03/2020|129|40|169|31.01%|2.56%|2|1.18%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%
17|16/03/2020|169|54|223|31.95%|35.00%|2|0.90%|84|37.7%|6|2.69%|5|2.24%|0.005%
18|17/03/2020|223|69|292|30.94%|27.78%|2|0.68%|108|37%|7|2.40%|5|1.71%|0.006%
19|18/03/2020|292|74|366|25.34%|7.25%|2|0.55%|140|38.8%|12|3.28%%|5|1.37%|0.007%
20|19/03/2020|366|191|557|52.19%|158.11%|3|0.54%|173|31.1%|13|2.33%|5|0.9%|0.011%
21|20/03/2020|557|126|683|22.62%|-34.03%|3|0.44%|211|30.9%|13|1.90%|5|0.73%|0.014%
22|21/03/2020|683|102|785|14.93%|-19.05%|3|0.38%|239|30.4%|25|3.18%|5|0.64%|0.016%
23|22/03/2020|785|121|906|15.41%|18.63%|4|0.44%|277|30.6%|36|3.97%|5|0.64%|0.018%
24|23/03/2020|906|219|1125|24.17%|80.99%|6|0.53%|305|27.1%|39|3.47%|5|0.44%|0.023%
25|24/03/2020|1129|204|1329|18.13%|-6.85%|7|0.53%|340|25.61|47|3.54%|5|0.38%|0.027%
26|25/03/2020|1329|235|1564|17.68%|15.20%|9|0.58%|419|26.8%|59|3.77%|5|0.32%|0.032%
27|26/03/2020|1564|255|1819|16.30%|8.51%|19|1.04%|489|26.9|67|3.68%|5|0.27%|0.037%
28|27/03/2020|1819|302|2121|16.60%|18.43%|22|1.04%|NR|NR|67|3.16%|5|0.24%|0.043%
29|28/03/2020|2121|294|2415|13.86%|-2.65%|36|1.49%|NR|NR|67|2.77%|5|0.21%|0.049%

NR = Not Reported

Source: Department of Health and the Health Protection Surveillaence Centre.

*"Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data suplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting.

Day 20 - Thursday 19/03/20 Stats
Day 21 - Friday 20/03/20 Stats
Day 22 - Saturday 21/03/20 Stats
Day 23 - Sunday 22/03/20 Stats
Day 24 - Monday 23/03/20 Stats
Day 25 - Tuesday 24/03/20 Stats
Day 26 - Wednesday 25/03/20 Stats
Day 27 - Thursday 26/03/20 Stats
Day 28 - Friday 27/03/20 Stats

Thanks for that. Not looking to criticise you after going to the effort of presenting that table, but the data must be incorrect. Last night (March 28th), Tony Holohan said there were 71 in ICU "as of this morning", i.e. yesterday morning.

If 67 is the official number then somebody is playing with them.

caveat emptor

Holy sh!t. That is some medievac. They were slow on the uptake of appearing to not give a fvck but Germany bringing out the big guns. (china and Russia got their first) I bet they realise there is a very real threat of Italy leaving EU after this settles. Geopolitics. Great gesture all the same and fair play.

https://twitter.com/Fola30903998/status/1244001512445087744?s=20

Jinglejangle69

Muahahaha wrote: »

Heres a stat I hadnt seen before



26% of 2,415 is 628 people hospitalised with the virus. It must be chaos in there, huge respect for the staff

Hence the stay at home mantra.

FVP3

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Deaths are starting to tick up now in Germany, 82 new deaths today and nearly 7,000 new cases. Brings the total number of deaths to 433.

Whilst the rate of increase in deaths is sharply increasing the country still has an extraordinary low death rate compared to every other country.

No it doesn't. It is, at 5, higher than the world average of 3.9. As is clear in the worldometer statistics.

Do you ever post the truth?

stretchaq

Acey10 wrote: »

has anyone been stopped by the guards out today?

Yep several checkpoints in Wexford

amadangomor

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

It's Ireland in fairness. Simple explanation and a nurse/doctor will be on their way in 15 seconds.

Really do worry that people are losing their ability to think for themselves.

What a dik post actually. There are restrictions and there are requirements with that. It was a legitimate question. Shut up if you have nothing good to say.

Gael23

Acey10 wrote: »

has anyone been stopped by the guards out today?

Not that I heard. But be careful, your headed for solitary confinement in Mountjoy if you get caught😄

caveat emptor

Acey10 wrote: »

has anyone been stopped by the guards out today?

No cause I listened to this fella!

https://twitter.com/Rubberbandits/status/1243494193630191618?s=20

Lavinia

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Trending steadily down for 2 weeks.

not sure what is that you are showing but its not true, (unfortunately)



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Thelonious Monk

Deleted User wrote: »

Admirable sentiment, but physical notes and coins are a bad idea right now - perhaps anpatreon account or similar?

Eek yeah I never thought of that

cloudatlas

jackboy wrote: »

His answer clearly inferred that Taiwan is part of China so he did give a political answer.

What would you have done, he is a diplomat he is on the spot he can alienate one or he can alienate the other. There is no choice. All he can do is look at what the current landscape is and respond accordingly. Can you imagine if they were political and went around pissing off various governments then nobody would listen to them. He is a diplomat.

Cilldara_2000

Talisman wrote: »

Thanks for that. Not looking to criticise you after going to the effort of presenting that table, but the data must be incorrect. Last night (March 28th), Tony Holohan said there were 71 in ICU "as of this morning", i.e. yesterday morning.

If 67 is the official number then somebody is playing with them.

Could easily be 4 admitted between the time 67 were counted and he said 71.

New Home

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

No offence intended NH, but you need to face reality. Triage for ICU/Ventilators has been with us for a long time before this crisis.

Some qualified for treatment based on potential outcomes, some didn't. That's a clinical decision by the medics best able to advise families. I trust them.

Triage DOES NOT include removing a ventilator from someone to give it to someone else. Which is what is happening now. And I'm well aware of what triage involves on a daily basis.

mouldybiscuits

mosii wrote: »

China has thousands more deaths then its saying,its a totalitarian country,and has been lying for years about everything.We cant rely on them.

You mispelled USA

NegativeCreep

stretchaq wrote: »

Yep several checkpoints in Wexford

Asking where you’re going or just looking at your license?

voluntary

mosii wrote: »

China has thousands more deaths then its saying,its a totalitarian country,and has been lying for years about everything.We cant rely on them.

Thousands?

China Mobile reported that its user numbers fell by 860,000 and 7.25 million in January and February respectively, while China Telecom revealed a loss of 3.99 million users in the first two months. China Unicom, meanwhile, lost 1.08 million users in January alone.

In all, the three wireless carriers together lost roughly over 14 million mobile users in the first two months of 2020, which is quite striking.

https://www.ejinsight.com/eji/article/id/2412704/20200325-delving-into-the-decline-in-china-mobile-phone-accounts

niallo27

Can someone tell me what's going on with the 53% male and 46% female. What am I missing here.