CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

wakka12

rossie1977 wrote: »

Italys deaths are likely much higher too as mayor of Bergamo said anyone dying at home is not counted in official statistics

Same with France and Spain

FVP3

The US coverup

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html

Exceprt:


In late January*, the first confirmed American case of the coronavirus had landed in her area. Critical questions needed answers: Had the man infected anyone else? Was the deadly virus already lurking in other communities and spreading?
As luck would have it, Dr. Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region.
To repurpose the tests for monitoring the coronavirus, they would need the support of state and federal officials. But nearly everywhere Dr. Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea, interviews and emails show, even as weeks crawled by and outbreaks emerged in countries outside of China, where the infection began.

By Feb. 25, Dr. Chu and her colleagues could not bear to wait any longer. They began performing coronavirus tests, without government approval**.

* one month after the WHO was informed by China.
** two months after the WHO was informed by China.

Ninthlife

niallo27 wrote: »

Can someone tell me what's going on with the 53% male and 46% female. What am I missing here.

1%

Cilldara_2000

niallo27 wrote: »

Can someone tell me what's going on with the 53% male and 46% female. What am I missing here.

6 unknown.

bekker

greenfield21 wrote: »

Yet the company denied that, the media were so desperate to get a story out against trump they found a random "source" in the German government without ever fact checking it.

Untrue, head of company who was in talks with US 'resigned' and founder and developer of research application is back in charge.

Un1corn

cameramonkey wrote: »

Is there any evidence that China is now hiding numbers? If there is please point it out.

No. I have not said there is evidence of them hiding the number. I said it is likely they are hiding numbers based on how the regime has operated at present and in the past. Given China's nature, we simply cannot know and I think it is safer to assume they are lying. China doesn't do transparency and I fail to invest trust in such systems. Furthermore is there any evidence they are telling the truth or reason to believe them that I am missing?

Some possible reports of understated deathcount:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipments-of-urns-in-wuhan-raise-questions-about-chinas-coronavirus-reporting/

Last one is by a well known Chinese dissident.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/fqbdup/wuhan_endless_queues_for_ashes_of_coronavirus/

PTH2009

How have the hospitals been here ?? Are they like warzones

I'm thankful and lucky I didn't have to go to one at this current time. Touch wood I don't have too

Blaze420

mosii wrote: »

China has thousands more deaths then its saying,its a totalitarian country,and has been lying for years about everything.We cant rely on them.

Of course they do because they were filling trucks with bodies to be cremated when it kicked off and misclassifying the cause of death of many early patients / their death total is far far higher than any statistic they wish to put out.

stephenjmcd

Acey10 wrote: »

has anyone been stopped by the guards out today?

Yup twice while driving to the shops at a checkpoint.

Went out for a walk myself and was stopped on the seafront asked where I was going to and how far from home I was (was within the 2k)

New Home

niallo27 wrote: »

Can someone tell me what's going on with the 53% male and 46% female. What am I missing here.

1% undisclosed?

SharpshooterTom

https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1244010427530518528

Hobgoblin11

Acey10 wrote: »

has anyone been stopped by the guards out today?

yes, apparently you are not allowed to drive on the footpath in a lawnmower with an open long neck bottle of Corona, he thought I was taking the piss

jesus_thats_gre

Lavinia wrote: »

not sure what is that you are showing but its not true, (unfortunately)



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Sourced from here:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/searchguy_covid-covid19-covid19italia-activity-6649718543220785153-WAqz

Have to admit, may have naively assumed they are factual.

Thelonious Monk

New Home wrote: »

1% undisclosed?

Don't subscribe to gender, or something?

hotmail.com

The Assembly in the North doing a solo run with their new measures tonight. Odd timing, given there are no local news bulletins in Northern Ireland on a Saturday evening.

FVP3

voluntary wrote: »

Thousands?



https://www.ejinsight.com/eji/article/id/2412704/20200325-delving-into-the-decline-in-china-mobile-phone-accounts

So you think that all those people died and subsequently stopped paying their mobile phone bills?

Lavinia

I am tired with these newly registered people throwing all kinds of conspiracy theories here about this country or that country.. geez lads give it a break
nobody cares what you privately believe or not :rolleyes:

bekker

Are't there fora for conspiracy theories?

BanditLuke

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Deaths are starting to tick up now in Germany, 82 new deaths today and nearly 7,000 new cases. Brings the total number of deaths to 433.

Whilst the rate of increase in deaths is sharply increasing the country still has an extraordinary low death rate compared to every other country.

Different mustard over there. They contact traced and tested like wild men whilst we argued about rugby games and a parade here.

The massive cover up from the Chinese from the get go is going to cost the planet dearly in the coming weeks and months. Some people still seem to believe they only had a few thousand deaths there also, bless.

niallo27

voluntary wrote: »

Thousands?



https://www.ejinsight.com/eji/article/id/2412704/20200325-delving-into-the-decline-in-china-mobile-phone-accounts

Well so many were out of work maybe paying their Bill's was there least of their worries.

New Home

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Don't subscribe to gender, or something?

More like the reports received by the authorities didn't specify.

Nonoperational

PTH2009 wrote: »

How have the hospitals been here ?? Are they like warzones

I'm thankful and lucky I didn't have to go to one at this current time. Touch wood I don't have too

Still ok for now. Far less non COVID presentations.

CIARAN_BOYLE

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Sourced from here:

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/searchguy_covid-covid19-covid19italia-activity-6649718543220785153-WAqz

Have to admit, may have naively assumed they are factual.

Number of cases as a % of new cases is trending down. Number of new cases is static enough.

jackboy

cloudatlas wrote: »

What would you have done, he is a diplomat he is on the spot he can alienate one or he can alienate the other. There is no choice. All he can do is look at what the current landscape is and respond accordingly. Can you imagine if they were political and went around pissing off various governments then nobody would listen to them. He is a diplomat.

Well he is a failed diplomat then. He was clearly speaking for China. He could have just said ‘no comment’ or ‘I’m not answering that question’..

Ninthlife

New Home wrote: »

More like the reports received by the authorities didn't specify.

Or they were Aliens

David Icke was right all along...that 1% were lizard people

This is it

Lavinia wrote: »

not sure what is that you are showing but its not true, (unfortunately)



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

It's percentage graphs... Which are correct.

fr336

Worldometers is such a great site. Of active cases in Italy, 94% are mild and 6% are critical. It's still really really bad, but not as mad sounding as the headlines...

Nesta99

If the virus was anything like this thread we'd be in really serious trouble - I cant keep up with the sheer volume of posts!!

Lavinia

This is it wrote: »

It's percentage graphs... Which are correct.

Yes but number of newly infected is not going down

Talisman

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Could easily be 4 admitted between the time 67 were counted and he said 71.

That makes it sound like the daily game that is played with counting how many patients are on a trolley in the hospitals.

Tandey

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I know a fella that was stopped at three different checkpoints

Was he driving a BMW by any chance?

Beasty

Nesta99 wrote: »

If the virus was anything like this thread we'd be in really serious trouble - I cant keep up with the sheer volume of posts!!

Don't worry, we'll be starting again some time tomorrow....

jesus_thats_gre

Lavinia wrote: »

Yes but number of newly infected is not going down

Yes, you are correct. Guess I was allowing optimism/positivity to get ahead of me in terms of my wording.

Kermit.de.frog

Saudi Arabia indefinitely extending the suspension of international passenger flights and all other restrictions within the territory.

JP Liz V1

https://www.gofundme.com/f/gofundmescrubs4the-fontline

Please help with PPE for the front line heroes

Ninthlife

Beasty wrote: »

Don't worry, we'll be starting again some time tomorrow....

Are we skipping thread number XIII

Padre_Pio

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Yes, you are correct. Guess I was allowing optimism/positivity to get ahead of me in terms of my wording.

None of those figures are truly accurate.

they may be at a limit of what they can test at, they may not be testing everyone with symptons (like Ireland), there may be a dozen factors.

I would only use these figures as a rough estimation.

briany

BanditLuke wrote: »

The massive cover up from the Chinese from the get go is going to cost the planet dearly in the coming weeks and months. Some people still seem to believe they only had a few thousand deaths there also, bless.

I would doubt the Chinese numbers, myself. I think most would given that country's general M.O., but has a smoking gun emerged to confirm these doubts? Are any anonymous whistle blowers giving indications of what the true scale of the outbreak is there?

greenfield21

bekker wrote: »

Untrue, head of company who was in talks with US 'resigned' and founder and developer of research application is back in charge.

After this they then confirmed they had received no take over offers, also the CEO had no ownership in the company so talking about offers with him would be pointless.

Blueshoe

fr336 wrote: »

Worldometers is such a great site. Of active cases in Italy, 94% are mild and 6% are critical. It's still really really bad, but not as mad sounding as the headlines...

The Italians probably would disagree

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/morethanmySLE/status/1243975235004661761

Lavinia

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Yes, you are correct. Guess I was allowing optimism/positivity to get ahead of me in terms of my wording.

I can't wait for a day that your words will come true.. I'm sure we are all in that same boat of hope

Cilldara_2000

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://www.gofundme.com/f/gofundmescrubs4the-fontline

Please help with PPE for the front line heroes

Who are Michael Geary and Ray Doherty and how do we know they won't just pocket the money? And like seriously, even if genuine, what's their plan? Purchase PPE and charter a flight from China all with only 2.5k?

darjeeling

sdanseo wrote: »

(imho) It's not that their death rate appears low, it is low.
Other countries' appear artificially high, simply because the disease is much more widespread in the community than the figures support.

We need the antibody test to be rolled out en masse as soon as possible, I suspect the real position is somewhere between the doomsdayers and the Oxford report which suggested 50% + of the UK has already had the disease - most without realising.

Keep watching the stats from Iceland.

Although it's a small country and relatively early in the epidemic, they have better data than anyone because they're doing so much testing.

Random testing of the general population over 2 weeks has found 0.8% positive, meaning around 3,000 people nationwide could have the virus.
Some people may have recovered already and now be testing negative, so the total infected to date could be higher.

They've now recorded 963 cases from people with symptoms or contacts, plus the ones from the random testing.
They've had two deaths, of which one may not have been due to the virus, and there are currently 6 in intensive care. Those numbers could go up because we know that severe symptoms take time if they are going to appear, but still the fatality rate right now looks a lot lower than for most other countries.

Edit: data at https://www.covid.is/data

SharpshooterTom

Northern Ireland issuing upwards of £5,000 fines for those who don't comply.

BanditLuke

Things taking a turn for the worse in Italy


Coronavirus: Italy becoming impatient with lockdown - and social unrest is brewing
Police descend on a supermarket after reports people have stolen food to feed themselves, as patience turns to desperation.

Videos have emerged of desperate people in Italy begging for help because they have run out of money and food.

Well into its third week of the coronavirus lockdown, Italy is still seeing many hundreds of people dying each day.

Progress in containing the COVID-19 spread is slow, hope and patience are fading and the economic cost is becoming ever more acute.

The strain is showing in the south of the country where one man in Apulia reportedly called police after the bank closed and they couldn't withdraw his mother's pension - their only income.

Footage shows him shouting at officers, telling them the family has no money, his mother begging them to go to their home so she could show them they have no food. It's hard to watch. It's what desperation looks like.

Another video has been shared around the country showing a father with his young daughter addressing the Italian prime minister, saying: "It's already 15-20 days that we've been inside and we're at our limit."

He gestures to his little girl who is eating a piece of bread and says: "Like my daughter, other children in a few days won't be able to eat this bit of bread. Rest assured, you will regret this because we're going to have a revolution."

Images have also emerged of police descending on supermarkets in Palermo in Sicily after reports people have started stealing to feed themselves. And groups have been set up in the last few days on social media to organise raids of supermarkets.

Sky News was sent a video message of a man in Sicily with a gun even offering to kill.

The mayor of Palermo told Sky News crime gangs are exploiting people's hardship and inciting violence - he warns a social emergency is next.

"Discomfort and malaise are growing and we are recording worrying reports of protest and anger that is being exploited by criminals who want to destabilise the system," said Leoluca Orlando.

"The more time passes, the more resources are exhausted. The few savings people have are running out. This tells us socio-economic issues will erupt."

Italy's prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, has made €25bn available to support families and businesses affected by lockdown. Some say they're still waiting for that help.

Others don't qualify because their employment is not officially recorded. Italy has a big cash economy of unregistered workers - the large majority of this in the south.

The further south you go, the higher the level of deprivation and the higher the unemployment.

While the virus hasn't reached the same crisis levels in southern Italy, hunger and hardship threaten to be even bigger problems.

Italy is ahead of other countries in this outbreak and unrest threatens to be the next chapter in this crisis.

As the country struggles to bring the virus spread under control, the government has extended lockdown from 3 April with no new deadline.

Lockdown is the only solution to save lives.

But in southern Italy, for many, it feels like it's threatening their very survival.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italy-becoming-impatient-with-lockdown-and-social-unrest-is-brewing-11965122

Mervyn Skidmore

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://www.gofundme.com/f/gofundmescrubs4the-fontline

Please help with PPE for the front line heroes

Don't really see the point in this if they're just going to be bought by a private individual to be handed over to HSE. If PPE is available on the island I'm sure no expense will be spared in getting it.

jesus_thats_gre

Padre_Pio wrote: »

None of those figures are truly accurate.

they may be at a limit of what they can test at, they may not be testing everyone with symptoms (like Ireland), there may be a dozen factors.

I would only use these figures as a rough estimation.

Yes, completely aware of the potential deficiencies in the stats.

Talisman

niallo27 wrote: »

Can someone tell me what's going on with the 53% male and 46% female. What am I missing here.

The X chromosome contains immunity-related genes. Females have two X chromosomes, while males have a single one.

Lavinia

fr336 wrote: »

Worldometers is such a great site. Of active cases in Italy, 94% are mild and 6% are critical. It's still really really bad, but not as mad sounding as the headlines...

yes but if you look at stats of closed cases you will see that 45 percent of people died while only 55 percent recovered..


that scares me tbh..