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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    This is a perfect example of fake news. All the graphics all the lighting...so fecking fake and modern technology crap....
    That absolute shíte doesn't even make one IOTA if even only half of those at the beach were infected. Which is an impossibility....
    Remember folks infection rates are a small percentage of any population and death rates an even smaller percentage. Keep up the social distancing and keep safe,. you're doing a great job..
    wakka12 wrote: »
    What do you mean? The graphic was not to show the spread of infection but to show how interconnected our world is and how widely disperesed those people at one beach became after going home, and the impact that could have countrywide and worldwide if even some of them were infected

    I know what it is and I know what it relates to..
    I also know the negative narrative behind it and why the individual whent to the bother of ' producing' it!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Coyote


    Coyote wrote: »
    an interesting brake down of how many cases based on a death rate or 1% and 3%
    if you believe that 1-3% die from covid19, then you can workout how many cases there should be right now without any testing
    there is a 7-10 day delay allowing for people getting sick and the avg time to death from turning up at hospital
    if you look at the UK who we know are not testing a lot they should have maybe 100,000K cases, where if you look at south Korea it shows about 14K cases for a recorded 10K
    Ireland is not too bad with 2.4K confirmed but maybe 3.6K based on 1% rate.
    all of this is not 100% correct and should not be read like that it's more about trying to estimate how many cases there could be.
    507436.PNG


    some interesting comparison
    France has 2314 deaths but only recorded 37575 cases
    France has 64 times as many deaths but only 15 times as many cases as Ireland, if Frances confirmed cases matched Ireland with death rate they would have 148K cases

    Netherlands and Belgium are other interesting comparison
    both have about 9-10K cases but Netherlands have twice as many deaths
    and the the Netherlands has 4 times as many deaths as S.Korea if there cases matched SK they should have 40K cases

    Coyote


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-25-year-old-dies-riverside-county-la-quinta/
    A 25 year old pharmacist in Los Angeles with no underlying health conditions has died


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Beasty wrote: »
    It takes a few days to turn round tests. They abandoned a backlog of 40,000 lined up for tests and started a new queue with many, possibly most, of those 40,000 "no longer qualifying". Some of those showing symptoms may well have recovered before they reached the top of that test queue.

    Yes it's speculative, but based on information that is in the public domain. When you overlay the way this has spread in other jurisdictions, I do not consider it to be an unreasonable view. If they gave us the numbers tested and the dates tests were taken when releasing their updates things would be quite a lot clearer in terms of how this is evolving.

    Now they do have that information, which I presume is informing their actions, including the further restrictions announced on Friday

    Raises two questions-

    -Did the HSE change the criteria for getting tested to avoid the 15,000 figure being met, possibly in order to avoid widespread panic?
    -Has the 15,000 figure been met but we just dont know about it?

    Theres a good chance we are at 15,000 now but if most wont die from it then it might make some sense for them to have manipulated the figures by reducing testing???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,360 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    What would these people expect to do in Ireland, roam the empty streets?


    Which people? Its a flight stopover to refuel on the way to the states.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Woodsie1


    john4321 wrote: »
    Why would they get off the aircraft? Not sure what you are trying to push here?

    I'm guessing its someone picking up on the BS from people like this calling the whole thing a false flag.

    https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1244026466083450881?s=20

    Not pushing anything,I was genuinely curious what happens with passengers on a refueling stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Coyote


    pH wrote: »
    Surely the cases number in the 3% column should be smaller than the cases number in the 1% column.

    Take Italy for example, if there have been 10,000 deaths and a death occurs in 3% of cases then the number of cases is around 330,000.

    Hi Ph

    you are correct sorry was looking at the 1% number and messed up the 3% calc
    updated version attached
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Coyote


    had to update again sorry
    507436.PNG


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    john4321 wrote: »
    Which people? Its a flight stopover to refuel on the way to the states.
    That's some fascist woman pedaling fake news. Got banned off Youtube not long ago. I came across nonsense from her before.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,352 ✭✭✭OneColdHand


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-25-year-old-dies-riverside-county-la-quinta/
    A 25 year old pharmacist in Los Angeles with no underlying health conditions has died

    From the headline: 'No Underlying Health Conditions Reported'

    The important word is underlined and bolded.

    I'm sure we have all heard the case of 21 year old spanish football coach who was reported to have no underlying conditions. It was later found that he had leukemia.


  • Registered Users Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Raises two questions-

    -Did the HSE change the criteria for getting tested to avoid the 15,000 figure being met, possibly in order to avoid widespread panic?
    -Has the 15,000 figure been met but we just dont know about it?

    Theres a good chance we are at 15,000 now but if most wont die from it then it might make some sense for them to have manipulated the figures by reducing testing???

    I think we need to have some trust. The HSE changed their testing criteria because they could cope with the number of people waiting on test and the positive results they were getting back were less than 10% so they changed the criteria so that they would hopefully get more positive cases from the tests that they were doing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    humberklog wrote: »
    Is that fact? As in HSE approved info you're giving?


    :o

    I was advising you from the HSE COVID-19 site.

    'What to do if positive'. It goes on to say that;

    " you can stop self-isolating when both of these apply to you:"
    1. You have had no fever for 5 days
    2. It has been 14 days since you first developed symptoms.

    It says nothing about a retest to prove you are now negative. Apologies if my answer was incorrect. I genuinely meant to help. I haven't heard anything about retesting positives who recover, only about recovered patients who become symptomatic again.

    Apologies if I have misinformed you. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,548 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-25-year-old-dies-riverside-county-la-quinta/
    A 25 year old pharmacist in Los Angeles with no underlying health conditions has died


    Some of this 'no underlying conditions' is wide of the mark to put it mildly, have seen cases of people who would fall in to the category of morbidly obese going by their most recent photos but given the status of 'no underlying conditions'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    Look up "event 201". The timing was impeccable. Thanks Bill.


  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Raises two questions-

    -Did the HSE change the criteria for getting tested to avoid the 15,000 figure being met, possibly in order to avoid widespread panic?
    -Has the 15,000 figure been met but we just dont know about it?

    Theres a good chance we are at 15,000 now but if most wont die from it then it might make some sense for them to have manipulated the figures by reducing testing???


    OMG
    There are still people in our society who think that the number of "confirmed cases" has anything to do with the actual number of people that are infected by the virus in the community!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,941 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Tomorrow's Business Post saying anyone who breaks the lock down rules faces large fines or imprisonment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Coyote


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Raises two questions-

    -Did the HSE change the criteria for getting tested to avoid the 15,000 figure being met, possibly in order to avoid widespread panic?
    -Has the 15,000 figure been met but we just dont know about it?

    Theres a good chance we are at 15,000 now but if most wont die from it then it might make some sense for them to have manipulated the figures by reducing testing???

    I don't believe they did it to hide anything, but too many people who just had a cough or sore throat were being booked in by GP
    to get a test now you have to have some symptoms, fever being a large part as well as other. this is better as you are more chance to find the people who have covid19 and not have the system blocked up by 1,000's who just are not feeling 100%


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Lackey


    The similarities end there.

    Varadkar said St Patrick’s Day would go ahead
    Varadkar stalled rugby cancellations
    Varadkar said there would be no ‘lockdown’

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-news/taoiseach-leo-varadkar-says-full-21739836.amp

    posters calling The President of the United States
    Or anyone else for that matter a ‘retard’ says more about themselves than anyone else

    Meanwhile the EU is in sh!t and our people are dying while Cuba China Russia and Albania send aid to Italy
    But make sure to get digs in at Boris Johnson and Trump and Brexit because ‘orange man bad’ and English and Americans are all stupid?

    Is that really what’s important right now?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Does anyone have an up to date number of test carried out and processed in Ireland?


  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭Abba987


    MipMap wrote: »
    OMG
    There are still people in our society who think that the number of "confirmed cases" has anything to do with the actual number of people that are infected by the virus in the community!

    Sad but true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,548 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Tomorrow's Business Post saying anyone who breaks the lock down rules faces large fines or imprisonment.


    Have they opened Thornton Hall?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,360 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Not pushing anything,I was genuinely curious what happens with passengers on a refueling stop.


    Going by previous posts you seem to have a motive so ill leave it there.

    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    While other EU countries were restricting the free movement of people in mainland europe,our bunch of morons deciding it was a good time to bow down and lick the feet of the EU when we are on an island with way easier ways of reducing the spread of the virus.
    Fcuking fools.


  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Does anyone have an up to date number of test carried out and processed in Ireland?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland


    Go to testing


    As of 23 March, 17,992 tests had been carried out.[71]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,682 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    givyjoe wrote: »

    Is there anything the WHO have said that they have not backtracked on?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭Tippex


    givyjoe wrote: »


    Well apart from china being the outlier in the NO Masks section :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    wakka12 wrote: »
    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-25-year-old-dies-riverside-county-la-quinta/
    A 25 year old pharmacist in Los Angeles with no underlying health conditions has died


    That's awful. just awful to read. RIP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Coyote


    MipMap wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland


    Go to testing


    As of 23 March, 17,992 tests had been carried out.[71]

    at 2K testing a day that would be around 28K tests done now


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    still nobody talking about the american military officials, chinese hotel staff, afflicted with this 20 meters from the infamous market last october or the exact same thing being called a vaping problem in the u.s. last july....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,941 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,229 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    givyjoe wrote: »

    It's so obvious that masks are a plus a positive add-on. And what can multiply this PLUS is if everyone wears a mask...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,941 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It's so obvious that masks are a plus a positive add-on. And what can multiply this PLUS is if everyone wears a mask...

    The reason governments in Europe have been urging against it is because they fear lack of supply for medical staff.

    Proper masks are obviously beneficial to the public.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭fifth


    It's so obvious that masks are a plus a positive add-on. And what can multiply this PLUS is if everyone wears a mask...

    Where are people getting their masks from? Haven't been able to find any. Or hand sanitiser. Since the start of all of this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,920 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Does anyone have an up to date number of test carried out and processed in Ireland?

    They publish them weekly:
    upto 3/3: 461
    10/3: 1924 (average 209/day)
    17/3: 6636 (average 671/day)
    24/3: 17992 (average 1622/day)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,548 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    New phone tracking app coming

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    Can it be disabled?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    LaFuton wrote: »
    still nobody talking about the american military officials, chinese hotel staff, afflicted with this 20 meters from the infamous market last october or the exact same thing being called a vaping problem in the u.s. last july....

    I'm sure there are (people talking about these crackpot theories) in conspiracy theory forums all over the internets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Is there anything the WHO have said that they have not backtracked on?
    Only a complete holocaust denier could still follow the idea that masks don't help.
    Masks are in short supply and are needed by the front line staff.
    This has always been the reason why we are told that they are not necessary.

    1.4 Billion Chinese are not wrong.
    Japan,Korea, Belgium, Spain, China look at the footage - Are they all idiots?


    Did they not hear the advise of the HSE?


    "We are not, at this moment, recommending the wearing of masks, as ther is no evidence to suggest that they materially affect the transmission of this virus"


    "We are in critical need of PPE equipment for our front line staff, Masks, Gowns ,Gloves "




    PLEASE Give me a break!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,941 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Can it be disabled?

    By not signing up for it, yes.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I was in SE Asia (mostly Vietnam) for most of Jan/Feb this year. On face masks- the government send you text messages (easily google translated) and while they insisted everyone dealing with the public wears them they warn to the general population/visitors that it's best to wear them but don't get complacent.
    The worry is (to that government) is that face masks lead to complacency and that same message was relayed to me by many people I met. They stop the spread but only if vigilance to general/hand hygiene is adhered to.

    I left that part of the world a few weeks ago with "complacency will kill you" still ringing in my ears.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Coyote


    MipMap wrote: »
    Only a complete holocaust denier could still follow the idea that masks don't help.
    Masks are in short supply and are needed by the front line staff.
    This has always been the reason why we are told that they are not necessary.

    1.4 Billion Chinese are not wrong.
    Japan,Korea, Belgium, Spain, China look at the footage - Are they all idiots?


    Did they not hear the advise of the HSE?


    "We are not, at this moment, recommending the wearing of masks, as ther is no evidence to suggest that they materially affect the transmission of this virus"


    "We are in critical need of PPE equipment for our front line staff, Masksd, Gowns ,Gloves "




    PLEASE Give me a break!!!



    A total of 11 million masks, one million face shields and one million goggles for workers are on order.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-coronavirus-tests-5054225-Mar2020/

    this brings up an intresting questions what are they going to use 11 million mask for, can't be for the HSE can it?
    send them out to every house in Ireland?

    Coyote


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    MipMap wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland


    Go to testing


    As of 23 March, 17,992 tests had been carried out.[71]


    Very very low rate of testing. If we assume they started testing around the 28 of Feb or before . About 700 per day, pretty shocking really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,548 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Very very low rate of testing. If we assume they started testing around the 28 of Feb or before . About 700 per day, pretty shocking really.


    Is the delay with taking the samples or actual analysis of the samples that is the delay?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,520 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    MipMap wrote: »
    By "Taking up the Slack" do you mean "Dying in Agony"

    Yes, it was meant sardonically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Coyote


    Very very low rate of testing. If we assume they started testing around the 28 of Feb or before . About 700 per day, pretty shocking really.

    Ireland rate of testing is not very low compared to the rest of the EU

    some comparison
    France has 2314 deaths but only recorded 37,575 cases
    France has 64 times as many deaths but only 15 times as many cases as Ireland, if Frances confirmed cases matched Ireland with death rate they would have 148K cases

    Netherlands and Belgium are other interesting comparison
    both have about 9-10K cases but Netherlands have twice as many deaths
    and the the Netherlands has 4 times as many deaths as S.Korea if there cases matched SK they should have 40K cases

    507436.PNG


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Is the delay with taking the samples or actual analysis of the samples that is the delay?


    i have no idea. The government said last week they were testing 2000 per day and ramping up to 5000 if I remember correctly but they are at about 700 per day average it seems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,941 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Fine Gael popularity surges to 34% from 21% in a poll in tomorrow's SBP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    Coyote wrote: »
    A total of 11 million masks, one million face shields and one million goggles for workers are on order.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-coronavirus-tests-5054225-Mar2020/

    this brings up an intresting questions what are they going to use 11 million mask for, can't be for the HSE can it?
    send them out to every house in Ireland?

    Coyote

    HSE. They're disposable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Coyote wrote: »
    Ireland rate of testing is not very low compared to the rest of the EU


    What are you basing that statement on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    Coyote wrote: »
    I don't believe they did it to hide anything, but too many people who just had a cough or sore throat were being booked in by GP
    to get a test now you have to have some symptoms, fever being a large part as well as other. this is better as you are more chance to find the people who have covid19 and not have the system blocked up by 1,000's who just are not feeling 100%

    Real reason is lack of reagent needed for the kits hence they need to reserve what they have for most likely cases......but if you want another reason which played into this......Don’t forget the €30 fee HSE agreed with Doctors for Doctor consult over the phone it seems the HSE are only paying it for referred cases.
    I’m sure we will soon hear some dissenting voices from Doctors about fielding all these calls for nothing

    One thing that is puzzling me is how are you meant to know if you have been in contact with a confirmed case


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  • Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    humberklog wrote: »
    I was in SE Asia (mostly Vietnam) for most of Jan/Feb this year. On face masks- the government send you text messages (easily google translated) and while they insisted everyone dealing with the public wears them they warn to the general population/visitors that it's best to wear them but don't get complacent.
    The worry is (to that government) is that face masks lead to complacency and that same message was relayed to me by many people I met. They stop the spread but only if vigilance to general/hand hygiene is adhered to.

    I left that part of the world a few weeks ago with "complacency will kill you" still ringing in my ears.


    Accepted but the complacency argument is a bit lame. "Don't wear a mask cos you might think it protects you cos it doesn't that much. Maybe you are so stupid you won't wash your hands"


    Nonsense - Masks are in Short Supply


    Read this:


    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30134-X/fulltext


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