CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

irishgeo

All this talk of the vaccine taking 18 months the virus could be gone by them , the last vaccine for SARS didnt get completed because the virus burnt itself out before a vaccine was ready and when that happened the funding disappeared too.

Allinall

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well only because some are hailing Aer Lingus as heroes, welcoming the plane home and stuff.

So is it heroic, or just a business transaction?

Why does it make any difference?

BanditLuke

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3077442/coronavirus-pathogen-could-have-been-spreading-humans-decades

New research shows that COVID 19 may be years old, and was quietly circulating throughout the world for a long time, but was not dangerous to humans yet . As a result of gradual evolutionary changes over years or perhaps decades, the virus eventually gained the ability to spread from human to human and cause serious, often life-threatening disease, which then caused it to be detected just this year in Wuhan. So China may not even be at fault for the release of the virus across the world.

The south china morning post.

Yeah....

laugh

Snow Garden wrote: »

It was embarassing. Just deliver the PPE gear without the drama. It's the 1st of 10 deliveries. Cringeworthy. Red carpet for the pilots. Ah stop lads. And so many Guards bringing it down the motorway like it will somehow get stolen.

Could be the same dirt the dutch ended up with too.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Wow. Ok Who are you calling despicable.

I find it despicable that the government put front line workers in harms way. We have the highest proportion of HCW infected.

masks work. We don't have enough. We need to give them to HCW first.

I get it. Doesn't take away that the official guidelines are way off the mark.

That's despicable. Front line specialists begging essentially. We are supposedly one of the richest countries in the world. Not good enough.

https://twitter.com/TodayFM/status/1242777040035643392?s=20

Cork Boy 53

Olivia Pope wrote: »

Will all air travel/ferry travel be banned in and out of the country until a vaccine is available? Sorry if this has been asked. I cannot keep up with the thread.

There are no official plans for that at present. What the situation will be in the weeks and months to come is anyone`s guess.

Steve F

Ellsbells1 wrote: »

The Uk are saying it could be 6 months before they are back to normal but their cases are higher at the moment. How long before we start to see normality? Schools open, coffee shops, clothes shops etc? What are people’s predictions?

End June, beginning of July if the figures play ball.
Sadly that's only half the story.
There's a strong case for a second wave starting October, November time as is common with Pandemics ☹️

What Username Guidelines

Masks are only useful if you have the virus so you don’t spread to others. But we’re all being told to act like we have the virus, sure maybe we do. So why not make it mandatory, even just scarves or bandana style masks given the shortage, would help when in shops, etc.

It could be useful if there was a PSA about how to use them. Sure you’ll have some people touching their face to adjust, but we’re all being told to wash our hands repeatedly and you can be sure there are plenty doing it wrong or not doing it at all.

I think overall, the pros would outweigh the cons.

Pretzill

caveat emptor wrote: »

This explains it so you don't need to read. Build a fvcking factory if we need to. I want this sh!t to over as much as anyone.

I have some motorbike masks - the material ones that keep you extra warm when flying along outside - I'm wondering would something like this be protective enough against droplets (they'd be washable)

I wish someone could develop a reusable mask that's protective for health workers they must be flying through those disposable ones.

Cork Boy 53

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Schools won't open until September at this stage I reckon.

At the earliest.

Ninthlife

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well only because some are hailing Aer Lingus as heroes, welcoming the plane home and stuff.

So is it heroic, or just a business transaction?

What difference does it make

podgeandrodge

pc7 wrote: »

I have been, I’m treating everything as if it is dirty with virus as much as possible. Anything to try prevent it getting into our family, not like I don’t have time.

pc7 wrote: »

The packaging, I’m not buying anything loose, sorry planet! But I am recycling all wrappings. Look it might do nothing but worth the effort for a little peace of mind for me.
ETA I then wash any fruit/veg etc always did.

Me too. When I get a chinese takeaway I also wash my hands when I get home, open the containers, pour food out, put into bin, and wash hands before eating the food. Hopefully food doesn't have it No harm in being careful.

Fakediamond wrote: »

https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU

An absolute must watch from start to finish...

great video.

Strazdas

Ellsbells1 wrote: »

The Uk are saying it could be 6 months before they are back to normal but their cases are higher at the moment. How long before we start to see normality? Schools open, coffee shops, clothes shops etc? What are people’s predictions?

Well under six months I would think. You could easily see shops, retail stores, cafes etc reopening by early June.

BanditLuke

Strazdas wrote: »

Well under six months I would think. You could easily see shops, retail stores, cafes etc reopening by early June.

I sincerely hope so

caveat emptor

Here's your paddy Cosgrove fix. He might be a prick in your opinion but might be right.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244308345709899778?s=20

Corkgirl20

Is there a reason why Ireland doesn’t record recover rates like some other countries. A friend from abroad just messaged me and said Ireland has a 90% death rate of closed cases meaning 5 recovered and 46 dead according to the online stats.

Which is clearly not accurate. But just wondering why we don’t record recoveries ?
I’d assume we don’t have enough tests to test for negative results from people who have recovered?

Thepoet85

Thepoet85 wrote: »

I'm genuinely surprised by that. Spitting on someone is on of the most scummy things you could do at the best of times. I thought if he was in employment he would have some sense of manners and respect.

Not really surprised, having a job doesn't exclude someone from being a prick, plenty of people with highly paid jobs would be just the same.

I have friends who used to do security in some of the more high end clubs and were often spat at and worse by the "do you know who I am /my father is" clientele.

What Username Guidelines

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Can't it be both? I'd think the pilots now have to quarantine

I don’t think they left the plane. Assumed they crewed it in a way they could do it within allowable hours, probably one crew flew out, return crew having a sleep in business class.

Martina1991

jackboy wrote:

Even with this help, at least twice as many medical scientists would be required to operate the instruments 24/7.

More and more labs are rostering staff in teams in 12 hour shifts.

In our hospital we have 3 teams A, B and C. Only 1 team at work at one time to prevent staff mixing.

So there's 1/3 of the workforce at all times now. Stretched.

Logan Roy

Steve F wrote: »

End June, beginning of July if the figures play ball.
Sadly that's only half the story.
There's a strong case for a second wave starting October, November time as is common with Pandemics ☹️

Care to name a few examples?

elperello

laugh wrote: »

Could be the same dirt the dutch ended up with too.

Absolute conjecture.

Brave people on the frontline are depending on this equipment.

Ellsbells1

Steve F wrote: »

End June, beginning of July if the figures play ball.
Sadly that's only half the story.
There's a strong case for a second wave starting October, November time as is common with Pandemics ☹️

O god, why can’t our government come out a s say this? Our young people’s well being and mental health needs honesty too. I know they don’t know the answer, but the kids are just hearing until after Easter and are thinking they will go back to normal then.

weldoninhio

kingshankly wrote: »

Anyone dreading work in the morning

I’m dreading the bus. Dublin Bus’ version of reducing capacity seems to be cancel a load of buses in the morning when people are going to work but keep the same amount of buses going mid morning to mid afternoon when no one should be using them,

owlbethere

irishgeo wrote: »

All this talk of the vaccine taking 18 months the virus could be gone by them , the last vaccine for SARS didnt get completed because the virus burnt itself out before a vaccine was ready and when that happened the funding disappeared too.

Hopefully the Chinese market practices will also be gone soon and we don't see the birth of a new virus.

irishproduce

Deleted User wrote: »

Well only because some are hailing Aer Lingus as heroes, welcoming the plane home and stuff.

So is it heroic, or just a business transaction?

Captain flying would have cleared about 2.5k before tax for the shift. It's borderline pathetic that national media are fawning over a business transaction.

Outside the propagandic value of the media reporting, the actual story is embarrassing to be reporting on.

laugh

Logan Roy wrote: »

Care to name a few examples?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/three-waves.htm

Allinall

Allinall wrote: »

Why does it make any difference?

It's a valid question. Why are people saying they don't want to know?

gabeeg

Martina1991 wrote: »

More and more labs are rostering staff in teams in 12 hour shifts.

In our hospital we have 3 teams A, B and C. Only 1 team at work at one time to prevent staff mixing.

So there's 1/3 of the workforce at all times now. Stretched.

Yikes

Have any of you caught it?

eh... thanks

Kermit.de.frog

Italy now talking about the end of June as being a possibility for lifting restrictions there.

BoatMad

Deleted User wrote: »

Well only because some are hailing Aer Lingus as heroes, welcoming the plane home and stuff.

So is it heroic, or just a business transaction?

5 pilots in each aircraft working continuously over 24 hours , well done lads

Steve F

Logan Roy wrote: »

Care to name a few examples?

1918 Pandemic

Logan Roy

Steve F wrote: »

1918 Pandemic

Outside of that one? One example isn't a trend.

boardise

awec wrote: »

The misery merchants on here really are something else.

“I called for a lockdown in February, look at me look at me”.

There has been a number of posters on here doing nothing but finding the absolute worst in everything. We are fortunate that they’re here to ensure that everyone is as miserable as possible.

Good numbers are bad news. Bad numbers are bad news. We could announce a cure tomorrow and they’d still find a way to turn it into something negative.

“We predicted this” is such total bollocks. Things are far, far better than anything you lot predicted.

Absolutely -isn't it great a pandemic came along ...whoopee -another stick to beat FG with . Maybe if we got really lucky we could double up with an earthquake and bring up the treble with a tsunami.
You have to laugh really at the warped egotism of some posters on here.
Anyone can call for anything on a forum -no cost , no consequences.

Sure it would have been no problem for a caretaker Taoiseach coming out of a losing election to announce a lockdown with no recorded case in the country.

BanditLuke

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's your paddy Cosgrove fix. He might be a prick in your opinion but might be right.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244308345709899778?s=20

How come we didn't hear about this delivery?

Steve F

Logan Roy wrote: »

Care to name a few examples?

1918 Pandemic

Jayzee.

Ellsbells1 wrote: »

O god, why can’t our government come out a s say this? Our young people’s well being and mental health needs honesty too. I know they don’t know the answer, but the kids are just hearing until after Easter and are thinking they will go back to normal then.

Kids do need certainty

Prob is the government can't start estimating timeframes, they have to be guided by the evolving data

kilkenny31

Urethral Buttercup wrote: »

Do you not find it a bit cringy refering to it as "the front line" as well?

Yeah. I get people are looking for hope but this Ireland is at war thing doesn't work for me. I get that it works for a lot of people. My partner works on the "front line" of this war and she finds it cringy too. Even Leo's Churchill and Terminator quotes are puke. Its not who we are as a people. It's American style news reporting that has come to Ireland.

owlbethere

laugh wrote: »

Could be the same dirt the dutch ended up with too.

Was there any checks done on the stuff when it came in?

Rayne Wooney

How do you decide when to lift the lockdown? Surely things can take off straight after opening everything back up again?

Are we just biding time for better treatments or a vaccine for those most at risk and could this lockdown last a hell of a lot longer than what people are expecting, which would be end of April/May.. if the vaccine doesn’t come, at what point does the economical effect on the country become a bigger problem than the virus?

I suppose these questions are probably what the government are asking themselves at the minute and a lot is up in the air. This could be a long road.

Professor Moriarty

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

How do you decide when to lift the lockdown? Surely things can take off straight after opening everything back up again?

Are we just biding time for better treatments or a vaccine for those most at risk and could this lockdown last a hell of a lot longer than what people are expecting, which would be end of April/May.. if the vaccine doesn’t come, at what point does the economical effect on the country become a bigger problem than the virus?

I suppose these questions are probably what the government are asking themselves at the minute and a lot is up in the air. This could be a long road.

Spot on.

Jayzee.

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

How do you decide when to lift the lockdown? Surely things can take off straight after opening everything back up again?

Are we just biding time for better treatments or a vaccine for those most at risk and could this lockdown last a hell of a lot longer than what people are expecting, which would be end of April/May.. if the vaccine doesn’t come, at what point does the economical effect on the country become a bigger problem than the virus?

I suppose these questions are probably what the government are asking themselves at the minute and a lot is up in the air. This could be a long road.

Lockdown will be lifted asap I reckon

Just a matter of keeping hospitals operational

Andrea B.

There is no known solution for the COVID-19 epidemic.
The lockdown is a complete clutch at straws. The only clutch available.
There was never a sure financial return on searching out a vaccine for this stuff.
Vaccines are so costly to qualify due to the years and quantities of human trials involved.
Trials that could lead to worse results to that what they are seeking to eliminate.
Too high risk for shareholders (us, our pensions....).
A big pharma is going to invest more in the low risk/high short term result stuff.
Vaccine researches for Coronavirus had momentum in past, when we were seen at risk, but were shelved when risk decreased.

"Coronaviruses have caused two other recent epidemics – severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) in China in 2002-04, and Middle East respiratory syndrome (Mers), which started in Saudi Arabia in 2012. In both cases, work began on vaccines that were later shelved when the outbreaks were contained."
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/coronavirus-vaccine-when-will-it-be-ready

Bottom line is that the lockdown is not going to guarantee anything.
We are becoming victims of a greed which we alone have created. Investment in the immediate short-term returns.
Same greed that stopped authorities immediately shutting down air travel (flying mixing pots), due to the financial lobby which outweighed the medical-advisory lobby.
Further, there is absolutely no guarantee that this virus will not effect animals. Everything about it is new.

I hope the lockdown approach works though. No plan B.

Allinall

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's a valid question. Why are people saying they don't want to know?

I’ll repeat my question.

Why does it make any difference?

fritzelly

BanditLuke wrote: »

How come we didn't hear about this delivery?

Probably dumped in the bin as soon as the hospitals received - I mean Alibaba of all places to buy from

Ronan|Raven

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's your paddy Cosgrove fix. He might be a prick in your opinion but might be right.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244308345709899778?s=20

He is a ****ing prick.
He has a ****ing ego larger than Trumps hole. Him and his lickspittle ****ing comments. He is no better than the majority of mouthbreathers on twitter only he has a few quid to promote himself.

tobefrank321

awec wrote: »

The misery merchants on here really are something else.

“I called for a lockdown in February, look at me look at me”.

There has been a number of posters on here doing nothing but finding the absolute worst in everything. We are fortunate that they’re here to ensure that everyone is as miserable as possible.

Good numbers are bad news. Bad numbers are bad news. We could announce a cure tomorrow and they’d still find a way to turn it into something negative.

“We predicted this” is such total bollocks. Things are far, far better than anything you lot predicted.

Nonsense.

A week from now people like you will be admitting you got it wrong.

I will put this in caps so you don't miss the point.

WE ARE ONLY AT THE START.

In terms of deaths and ICU admissions.

We are already swamped and we're just as the start.

It gives me and others on here zero satisfaction to have correctly predicted a number of things such as contact tracing slowly becoming ineffective. The large number of community cases tells us that.

Professor Moriarty

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Italy now talking about the end of June as being a possibility for lifting restrictions there.

That would be fantastic if possible.

Amirani

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's your paddy Cosgrove fix. He might be a prick in your opinion but might be right.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244308345709899778?s=20

He paid for that as an advertisement on Twitter. Sad.

c.p.w.g.w

kingshankly wrote: »

Anyone dreading work in the morning

In my place, there seems to be a fair toxic response to us not shutting... judging by the WhatsApp group chatter

growleaves

Outside of that one? One example isn't a trend.

Er sorry but the worst influenza pandemic in history is the only valid comparison to this one because... er, because... SHUT UP!