CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

gabeeg

Logan Roy wrote: »

Care to name a few examples?

As people have said, the Spanish flu.

But also Swine Flu, the Black Death, and just about every pandemic.

Sometimes it's seasonal, sometimes it's years apart.

BanditLuke

owlbethere wrote: »

Hopefully the Chinese market practices will also be gone soon and we don't see the birth of a new virus.

Someone posted an article earlier about the wet markets being back open already.

Steve F

Logan Roy wrote: »

Outside of that one? One example isn't a trend.

OK I know where this is going.
If you want to make a point go ahead.
I think your point is this won't follow the normal route
most Pandemics follow and only have one wave.
That's fine go ahead,I think we will see a second wave.
I won't answer anymore of your posts as it would be futile
Stay healthy and safe

Mervyn Skidmore

People getting angry that a financial transaction has made people happy. When I buy food it's a financial transaction but I'm delighted because I'm hungry. It's a totally normal reaction.

Ellsbells1

Jayzee. wrote: »

Kids do need certainty

Prob is the government can't start estimating timeframes, they have to be guided by the evolving data

But we all know schools are not going to open after Easter, so why can’t they make that official. Schools were the first to close and will prob be the last to open. Their poor lives have just been turned upside down over night and it is hard for them to understand why. For some kids they are isolating away from grandparents who they will never see again, they are missing their friends, the routine of school, have to stay at home all day, worrying about their parents who might have to leave the home for work and god I can’t even imagine how parents and kids who are nurses, doctors, healthcare workers who don’t know when they will see their families again are feeling. The least the government could try and do is be honest with them.

Loafing Oaf

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

How do you decide when to lift the lockdown? Surely things can take off straight after opening everything back up again?

And the government that lifted the lockdown would be held directly responsible for the surge in fatalities. Which is why they will be ultra-cautious about any such move. Especially if Micheal 'Is there anything to be said for commissioning another report' Martin is the taoiseach.

Quantum Erasure

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

Is there a reason why Ireland doesn’t record recover rates like some other countries. A friend from abroad just messaged me and said Ireland has a 90% death rate of closed cases meaning 5 recovered and 46 dead according to the online stats.

Which is clearly not accurate. But just wondering why we don’t record recoveries ? ?

are we not getting an update once a week on that?

2Mad2BeMad

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

In my place, there seems to be a fair toxic response to us not shutting... judging by the WhatsApp group chatter

same in my whatapps group, bosses are in it also :pac: no ones said anything, but you can tell by the replies to the comment from the boss saying "We are opened tomorrow" that no one is happy about it. (plenty of sarcastic thumbs up from people)

MD1990

when the antibody test comes it will be huge.

Can reintroduce immune people to society first.

Lashes28

So many pages to catch up on.
But how are we,in Ireland, figuring out when people have recovered? In China two clear tests deemed you clear. In some cases the person felt recovered but still tested positive up to a week after,David Abel from Princess Cruise would test negative one day and positive the next coming towards the end and felt perfect.

jam_mac_jam

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

Is there a reason why Ireland doesn’t record recover rates like some other countries. A friend from abroad just messaged me and said Ireland has a 90% death rate of closed cases meaning 5 recovered and 46 dead according to the online stats.

Which is clearly not accurate. But just wondering why we don’t record recoveries ?
I’d assume we don’t have enough tests to test for negative results from people who have recovered?

It takes weeks to recover from. So saying we have a low recovery rate is pretty meaningless at this early stage.

Allinall

Allinall wrote: »

I’ll repeat my question.

Why does it make any difference?

I've already said that earlier and I'm not repeating my answer because you're too lazy to go back a page and find it.

kilkenny31

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Nonsense.

A week from now people like you will be admitting you got it wrong.

I will put this in caps so you don't miss the point.

WE ARE ONLY AT THE START.

In terms of deaths and ICU admissions.

We are already swamped and we're just as the start.

It gives me and others on here zero satisfaction to have correctly predicted a number of things such as contact tracing slowly becoming ineffective. The large number of community cases tells us that.

I asked this before but nobody answered. Looking at where we are at now and the fact that the government expect the peak to come mid April what kinda figures do people think we are looking at? I suggested it would be somewhere in the region of 50-100 deaths per day for about a weak before falling back the ways.

cajonlardo

irishproduce wrote: »

Captain flying would have cleared about 2.5k before tax for the shift. It's borderline pathetic that national media are fawning over a business transaction.

Outside the propagandic value of the media reporting, the actual story is embarrassing to be reporting on.

One of the Pilots is a retired air Corp captain. I was under the impression he volunteered.

Strazdas

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

Is there a reason why Ireland doesn’t record recover rates like some other countries. A friend from abroad just messaged me and said Ireland has a 90% death rate of closed cases meaning 5 recovered and 46 dead according to the online stats.

Which is clearly not accurate. But just wondering why we don’t record recoveries ?
I’d assume we don’t have enough tests to test for negative results from people who have recovered?

Dr Holohan says they will release these figures soon but it hasn't been a priority for them so far.

Amirani

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

Is there a reason why Ireland doesn’t record recover rates like some other countries. A friend from abroad just messaged me and said Ireland has a 90% death rate of closed cases meaning 5 recovered and 46 dead according to the online stats.

Which is clearly not accurate. But just wondering why we don’t record recoveries ?
I’d assume we don’t have enough tests to test for negative results from people who have recovered?

Recoveries aren't event driven outside of hospital settings, they "recover" after having 14 days of self-isolation. It's not really an important number to publish for operational/management purposes, but the data is available.

2 negative tests in a hospital is recovered, and this is more important to track.

woohoo!!!

Good to hear that part of the Aer Lingus supplies will be heading to Northern Ireland.

caveat emptor

Andrea B. wrote: »

There is no known solution for the COVID-19 epidemic.
The lockdown is a complete clutch at straws. The only clutch available.
There was never a sure financial return on searching out a vaccine for this stuff.
Vaccines are so costly to qualify due to the years and quantities of human trials involved.
Trials that could lead to worse results to that what they are seeking to eliminate.
Too high risk for shareholders (us, our pensions....).
A big pharma is going to invest more in the low risk/high short term result stuff.
Vaccine researches for Coronavirus had momentum in past, when we were seen at risk, but were shelved when risk decreased.

"Coronaviruses have caused two other recent epidemics – severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) in China in 2002-04, and Middle East respiratory syndrome (Mers), which started in Saudi Arabia in 2012. In both cases, work began on vaccines that were later shelved when the outbreaks were contained."
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/coronavirus-vaccine-when-will-it-be-ready

Bottom line is that the lockdown is not going to guarantee anything.
We are becoming victims of a greed which we alone have created. Investment in the immediate short-term returns.
Same greed that stopped authorities immediately shutting down air travel (flying mixing pots), due to the financial lobby which outweighed the medical-advisory lobby.
Further, there is absolutely no guarantee that this virus will not effect animals. Everything about it is new.

I hope the lockdown approach works though. No plan B.

Science is so cool the way it discovers things and publishes them so you don't have to figure everything out for the first time.

https://twitter.com/handyman1543/status/1243586271580237828?s=20

Gods Gift

MD1990 wrote: »

when the antibody test comes it will be huge.

Can reintroduce immune people to society first.

Immune person, this is society.
Society meet immune person.

Loafing Oaf

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

The data also shows that one person aged between 25-34 has died of Covid-19 out of three admitted to ICU.

Is there any info if this person had an underlying condition?

Might this have been the nurse?

New Home

caveat emptor wrote: »

Science is so cool the way it discovers things and publishes them so you don't have to figure everything out for the first time.

https://twitter.com/handyman1543/status/1243586271580237828?s=20

A bit like with history, isn't it?

Mervyn Skidmore

woohoo!!! wrote: »

Good to hear that part of the Aer Lingus supplies will be heading to Northern Ireland.

50 rage posts incoming.

micks_address

BanditLuke wrote: »

Someone posted an article earlier about the wet markets being back open already.

They should drop atom bombs on open wet markets

Ronan|Raven

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

He is a ****ing prick.
He has a ****ing ego larger than Trumps hole. Him and his lickspittle ****ing comments. He is no better than the majority of mouthbreathers on twitter only he has a few quid to promote himself.

Not a fan then?

Andrea B.

There is no known "peak" and "end of". When they say the "end of June" they just mean that it is definitely not the end of May.

Yurt2

micks_address wrote: »

They should drop atom bombs on open wet markets

Did the same thing after SARS, although they had the good sense for optics to wait a few months to do so that time.

caveat emptor

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

How do you decide when to lift the lockdown? Surely things can take off straight after opening everything back up again?

Are we just biding time for better treatments or a vaccine for those most at risk and could this lockdown last a hell of a lot longer than what people are expecting, which would be end of April/May.. if the vaccine doesn’t come, at what point does the economical effect on the country become a bigger problem than the virus?

I suppose these questions are probably what the government are asking themselves at the minute and a lot is up in the air. This could be a long road.

Economics, lives ? who knows. Maybe lord business could share some insight.

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3077442/coronavirus-pathogen-could-have-been-spreading-humans-decades

New research shows that COVID 19 may be years old, and was quietly circulating throughout the world for a long time, but was not dangerous to humans yet . As a result of gradual evolutionary changes over years or perhaps decades, the virus eventually gained the ability to spread from human to human and cause serious, often life-threatening disease, which then caused it to be detected just this year in Wuhan. So China may not even be at fault for the release of the virus across the world.

Interesting comment in the article about ‘strange pneumonia type’ cases reported in Italy in November & December. Theres so much we still don’t know about this bloody thing.

jam_mac_jam

Yurt! wrote: »

Did the same thing after SARS, although they had the good sense for optics to wait a few months to do so that time.

Yes and they should have stopped it after Sars. But I'm sure that's just bad western propaganda that it is the not the fault of the Chinese government from preventing this filthy disgusting practise.

Fr_Dougal

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's your paddy Cosgrove fix. He might be a prick in your opinion but might be right.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244308345709899778?s=20

No, he’s still a prick.

That was PPE hear for Belgium.

https://twitter.com/chinadaily/status/1239789828671033345?s=21

laurah591

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Might this have been the nurse?

I really hope not.

The One Doctor

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Is it? Its no more of an epicentre than Ireland is right now.

Deaths per million:
Ireland - 9
USA - 7

The USA obviously has 66 times the population of Ireland. But relatively speaking the USA is doing better than most European countries.

If you said New York was an epicentre that would be different.

No-one counts deaths per million. It's a stupid stat that is not tracked in Europe regarding covid19. We count death rate per number of infections identified.

Corkgirl20

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Might this have been the nurse?

Was this a nurse in the ICU mater hospital in Cork ?

That’s the only one I’ve heard of and from an unverified source, only heard she was in ICU not of a death.

froog

i know the recovered confirmations are not priority for the HSE, but surely they could just throw some of the redeployed pencil pushers on it and get some figures out. it would do a lot for people's anxiety right now.

BanditLuke

Lashes28 wrote: »

So many pages to catch up on.
But how are we,in Ireland, figuring out when people have recovered? In China two clear tests deemed you clear. In some cases the person felt recovered but still tested positive up to a week after,David Abel from Princess Cruise would test negative one day and positive the next coming towards the end and felt perfect.

Honestly who knows? There seems so so many unknowns about this virus. I follow a guy online who runs a football fan youtube channel and website and he's had what he thinks is the virus for two weeks now. Some days he thinks he is completely cured and the next he feels like a 90 year old just climbing the stairs in his house. He can't get tested either as the UK's testing system seems as ridiculous as ours. He's 39 years old btw.

caveat emptor

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

He is a ****ing prick.
He has a ****ing ego larger than Trumps hole. Him and his lickspittle ****ing comments. He is no better than the majority of mouthbreathers on twitter only he has a few quid to promote himself.

Thanks for that. Do you think our front line staff are adequately protected? They are risking their lives.

Maybe direct your ire to the source of the problem instead of comparing egos.

How do you feel about this. Are they pricks too?

https://twitter.com/TodayFM/status/1242777040035643392?s=20

Dr. Bre

Gods Gift wrote: »

Out ploughing here.
Beautiful night. Venus very bright beside the moon.

International space station passed over about an hour ago. Very easy to see it. Be passing over again 10:15pm

Don’t plough too hard

Quantum Erasure

micks_address wrote: »

They should drop atom bombs on open wet markets

just a small one though

Purple Mountain

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks for that. Do you think our front line staff are adequately protected? They are risking their lives.

Maybe direct your ire to the source of the problem instead of comparing egos.

How do you feel about this. Are they pricks too?

https://twitter.com/TodayFM/status/1242777040035643392?s=20

Schools have a role to play here too I'd imagine especially latex gloves in the science rooms and the first aid rooms.
Goggles from the wood/metal subjects?

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's your paddy Cosgrove fix. He might be a prick in your opinion but might be right.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244308345709899778?s=20

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No, he’s still a prick.

That was PPE hear for Belgium.

https://twitter.com/chinadaily/status/1239789828671033345?s=21

I said he might be a prick.
they are are going without.
highest percentage infected in the world.
#dontBeleiveTheBullSh!t

stephenjmcd

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No, he’s still a prick.

That was PPE hear for Belgium.

https://twitter.com/chinadaily/status/1239789828671033345?s=21

He paid and promoted his own tweet to serve his ego. Says it all

jam_mac_jam

How are staff begging for equipment at this stage. They have had weeks to plan and buy the gear. What the **** are they doing?

Delirah

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Might this have been the nurse?

Ive heard it was. In the mater

froog

https://africanarguments.org/2020/03/29/coronavirus-in-africa-tracker-how-many-cases-and-where-latest/

africa confirmed cases seems to be leveling off already.

jackboy

Martina1991 wrote: »

More and more labs are rostering staff in teams in 12 hour shifts.

In our hospital we have 3 teams A, B and C. Only 1 team at work at one time to prevent staff mixing.

So there's 1/3 of the workforce at all times now. Stretched.

That is hard going, 3 teams covering a 24/7 operation. The hours each scientist is working must be extreme. It will be hard to keep that going for long before it has a negative impact on their health. A small few people going out sick would completely crash such an operation.

Kermit.de.frog

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

How are staff begging for equipment at this stage. They have had weeks to plan and buy the gear. What the **** are they doing?

Because all countries are fighting for the same resources.

When the HSE goes to sign contracts it is competing against every other country.

owlbethere

BanditLuke wrote: »

Someone posted an article earlier about the wet markets being back open already.

How can this be verified for sure and it's non coming from a paper looking for clickbates? I presume travel from the West into China is fairly limited.

If it is true about the markets, that doesn't instill too much hope in me.

noodler

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

How are staff begging for equipment at this stage. They have had weeks to plan and buy the gear. What the **** are they doing?

Every country in the world looking to buy the stuff at the same time.

First shipment from China touched down today.

Logan Roy

Steve F wrote: »

OK I know where this is going.
If you want to make a point go ahead.
I think your point is this won't follow the normal route
most Pandemics follow and only have one wave.
That's fine go ahead,I think we will see a second wave.
I won't answer anymore of your posts as it would be futile
Stay healthy and safe

I don't have any "agenda".... well other than calling out posters who make throwaway comments with nothing to back them up. It's unhelpful.....

Maybe next time post a source or show your workings if you came to this conclusion yourself?

tobefrank321

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I asked this before but nobody answered. Looking at where we are at now and the fact that the government expect the peak to come mid April what kinda figures do people think we are looking at? I suggested it would be somewhere in the region of 50-100 deaths per day for about a weak before falling back the ways.

It could reach 50 deaths a day at worst. It could go higher.

So far we are following the Italy, Spain trend almost exactly. Cases gradually increase exponentially, then a plateau. But deaths continue to increase as there is a lag between being confirmed and ending up in icu. Eventually icu gets overwhelmed as do medical staff. Experienced medical staff get infected, a number sadly will die. Eventually the majority of those who would normally end up in icu die with little more than sedation.

I hope I'm proved wrong but logic and evidence says otherwise.