Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

pah

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That Excelsior posted above was the one I always hated the look of. Didn’t know the name.

I'd love to get my hands on her ample nacelles

Evade

pixelburp wrote: »

Picard is getting stung for its copy paste design but that Nebula is atrocious looking. Very lazily thrown together, like they just took the Enterprise and sat on it.

The main difference between now and then is having to make a physical model. Some of the TNG models were off the shelf kits put together wrong to make a new ship, there's even a few Star Destroyers among them.

Bobtheman

troyzer wrote: »

I haven't been posting here throughout Picard.

But it really was true and utter ****e.

I don't think Star Trek will ever be Star Trek again.

Trek evolves

Evade

Bobtheman wrote: »

Trek evolves

As Threshold showed evolution isn't necessarily a good thing.

IvySlayer

I don't like how the ship looks, but defending the copy and paste design, with the Borg/Dominon War and the Mars attack, Starfleet needed to mass produce new ships so that's probably why they all look the same.

Evade

IvySlayer wrote: »

I don't like how the ship looks, but defending the copy and paste design, with the Borg/Dominon War and the Mars attack, Starfleet needed to mass produce new ships so that's probably why they all look the same.

The problem with that is they all look to be about the size of a Sovereign class. If you need to build fleets quickly mostly smaller ships like Akiras and Sabers with some mid size ships like Steamrunners and Norways, and then a few large ships makes much more sense. Another reason being that different sized ships typically perform different roles in a fleet something Star Trek only really did from First Contact onward, but that probably had a lot to do with the move from models to CGI too. If anyone is wondering why I picked those ships they're the new designs used to fill out the fleet in First Contact but still all have very distinct looks.

Rawr

Evade wrote: »

If anyone is wondering why I picked those ships they're the new designs used to fill out the fleet in First Contact but still all have very distinct looks.

I really enjoyed that initial battle scene in First Contact where they are showing a mostly new Starfleet lobbing fire onto that Cube. A lot of those new ships really looked like they were built for war, and having Defiant with them seemed to make sense

I remember enjoying that scene a lot in the cinema

Evade

Rawr wrote: »

having Defiant with them seemed to make sense

Well, she was built for that exact exact reason.

TheValeyard

Rawr wrote: »

I really enjoyed that initial battle scene in First Contact where they are showing a mostly new Starfleet lobbing fire onto that Cube. A lot of those new ships really looked like they were built for war, and having Defiant with them seemed to make sense

I remember enjoying that scene a lot in the cinema

Perhaps today is a good day to die!!

CramCycle

It was epic, one of the best movies I have seen in a cinema.

Rawr

TheValeyard wrote: »

Perhaps today is a good day to die!!

"Little?"

ilovesmybrick

Rawr wrote: »

"Little?"

I love the sense of scale when the Enterprise flew past the Defiant. I know the size of the Defiant was a bit all over the place, but it was the first time you got a real sense of how small and powerful the ship was.

Also Adam Scott!

Slydice

TheValeyard wrote: »

Perhaps today is a good day to die!!

RAMMING SPEED!

That's some mighty word association Michael Dorn has worked on me!

_Kaiser_

IvySlayer wrote: »

I don't like how the ship looks, but defending the copy and paste design, with the Borg/Dominon War and the Mars attack, Starfleet needed to mass produce new ships so that's probably why they all look the same.

Someone fixed it anyway...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED-YjeKywZc

MUCH better!

helimachoptor

Brian? wrote: »

Isn’t it mostly from DS9? The last nigh battle before heading to Cardassia.

With Runabouts for some reason.

Mayve I've missed it (currently watching Ds9 again) but don't recall seeing any intepids in any of the dominion battles. Run about taking the place of the Peregrine fighters

Stark

Don't remember the Sovereign class appearing in DS9 either. Intrepid class was featured in DS9 (USS Bellerophon transporting Romulan delegates) but not in any battle scenes from what I remember.

Rawr

Stark wrote: »

Don't remember the Sovereign class appearing in DS9 either. Intrepid class was featured in DS9 (USS Bellerophon transporting Romulan delegates) but not in any battle scenes from what I remember.

I'm surprised Sovereign Class didn't feature more in the war. She's streamlined, very heavily armed, and appeared to have been geared for warfare. I get that they might have wanted to keep the Enterprise E away from the frontline (losing her would have been a massiv morale blow), but surely they had a couple more of the class by then (USS Sovereign for example).

Although Voyager has had to fight her way across the Delta Quadrant, I don't get the impression that she was geared to be a warship. Could be that the Intrepid Class ships were limited to support roles during the war (such as that transport job Bellerophon was doing).

NuMarvel

helimachoptor wrote: »

Mayve I've missed it (currently watching Ds9 again) but don't recall seeing any intepids in any of the dominion battles. Run about taking the place of the Peregrine fighters

As far as I can recall, an Intrepid appeared in only one DS9 episode; the Belepheron, which brought Bashir to Romulus in Season 7.

Of course, there was also the Yeager class, so the class made at least a partial appearance in the background of DS9

Evade

In the Thaw Tom said Voyager was built for combat performance.

In general I think they just wanted to keep the Hero ships unique while the other series/movies were still on going. Even the other Defiant class ships in the fleets in DS9 stay in the background. If they had kept the Enterprise D throughout the TNG movies I think we would have seen fewer Galaxy class ships in DS9 too.

NuMarvel

Evade wrote: »

In the Thaw Tom said Voyager was built for combat performance.

In general I think they just wanted to keep the Hero ships unique while the other series/movies were still on going. Even the other Defiant class ships in the fleets in DS9 stay in the background. If they had kept the Enterprise D throughout the TNG movies I think we would have seen fewer Galaxy class ships in DS9 too.

That's my feeling too.

And in-universe, there's nothing to say these classes of ships weren't off in battles elsewhere. The Cardassian border wasn't the only front in the war. After the invasion of Betazed, and the attack on Earth, it wouldn't be surprising if Sovereign class ships were stationed near key Federation homeworlds.

Stark

That little Seven/Raffi scene had prior form in TNG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itwDBm5DLcM

Bobtheman

Stark wrote: »

That little Seven/Raffi scene had prior form in TNG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itwDBm5DLcM

?? Was that really them holding hands?

Bobtheman

Reflecting a few weeks later I think the whole Data thing Was confusing? Why did he want to be switched off ? Why wasn't his consciousness transferred?
He suddenly has a human brother? His " father " claimed he had no kids ?
Plus Stewart too old and they just threw away the marriage with Beverly and kid that was written about in the novels. Poor

Stark

Bobtheman wrote: »

?? Was that really them holding hands?

The guy does a Youtube channel with TNG gag reel clips spliced with scenes from the actual show. If you look more closely at the above clip, you can see that Picard is also wearing slippers

This one is also a good one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgPy2kU9nEk

Inviere

Bobtheman wrote: »

Why did he want to be switched off ?

They wrote it as Data wasn't happy being kept in limbo, never dying, just existing meaninglessly....he wanted to embark on the final exploration of humanity, death.

Why wasn't his consciousness transferred?

There doesn't seem to be an in-universe explanation, unless I too missed it? (It could have mentioned that it was just a simulation of Data based on memories extracted from B4 & that it wasn't enough to create a sentient copy of Data in the real world, but I don't think they went that route?) I can only guess Spiner wasn't overly keen on recurring as Data very often, & preferred to play the role of the brother, sans makeup etc.

He suddenly has a human brother? His " father " claimed he had no kids ?

Was that specifically stated on screen somewhere?

Plus Stewart too old and they just threw away the marriage with Beverly and kid that was written about in the novels. Poor

I'm not bothered at all by the exclusion of book content, no point getting bogged down in canon/non-canon etc. They're best ignored imo, they've always been largely weak.

Stark

Shamelessly stolen from Ireland Sinn Féin Fans (https://www.facebook.com/groups/iresimpsonsfans)

CramCycle

Stark wrote: »

Shamelessly stolen from Ireland Sinn Féin Fans (https://www.facebook.com/groups/iresimpsonsfans)

I am more fascinated that your auto correct put in Sinn Fein for Simpsons :pac: I mean they both ave some good laugh out loud TV moments, but still.

Stark

It was deliberate Not sure what % of the membership base of that Simpsons fan group are Ógra Sinn Féin but the ones that are are extremely vocal. Nearly every second meme has some republican slant to it, not to mention the swarm that descends if someone goes against the nationalist socialist consensus.

nyarlothothep

Bobtheman wrote: »

?? Was that really them holding hands?

Just saw it there, made me laugh out loud

Thargor

Always been a massive fan of the Mr Plinkett reviews but that is just unwatchable crap, as in not a single laugh, just rambling boring gibberish.

Looks like everything modern Star Trek touches just turns to sh1t.

Evade

I watched it yesterday and thought it was a pretty standard Plinkett review with a couple of factual errors.

pixelburp

I like RLM and subscribe to their channel, but there's no way I'm watching an hour and a half diatribe. Who has time for that?

Evade

Because you have it on while doing something else like painting, cooking, cleaning, or World of Warships in my case.

Thargor

pixelburp wrote: »

I like RLM and subscribe to their channel, but there's no way I'm watching an hour and a half diatribe. Who has time for that?

Neither would I usually but the Mr Plinkett reviews have always been worth making an exception for, the way they absolutely nailed George Lucas and everyone else was totally unique, this is just so bad its a shock. Mike and Rich bitching about the individual episodes was hilarious though.

pixelburp

Thargor wrote: »

Neither would I usually but the Mr Plinkett reviews have always been worth making an exception for, the way they absolutely nailed George Lucas and everyone else was totally unique, this is just so bad its a shock. Mike and Rich bitching about the individual episodes was hilarious though.

The last couple of Plinketts weren't great either, so if it's as bad as you say, it's possible the RLM crew have just lost interest or motivation. IMO the channel has kinda moved beyond Plinkett, nor does he even feature in their "Half in the Bag" series anymore.

Smacruairi

I'm half way through it. It's quite comprehensive, maybe overly so. But it's vocalising the problems with the series quite well.

I actually find their best of the worst series to be their best!

Spon Farmer

I just finished this episode.

I really enjoyed the show but this episodes was filled with things that didn't make sense and the "twist" was no twist at all -it was obvious from the moment the golem was shown that Picard would end up in it. What I cannot figure out is what is the point of that?

Picard's illness had very little presence in the show until the battle. And why make him an android if he is not going to have android powers and just going to carry on being the same? Why even give him the illness at all?

Picard himself just shrugged the whole thing off.

It was just nonsense.

Raffi and Seven's romance could have been left for season 2 instead of some rushed moment of holding hands. They hadn't even had scenes together in past episodes.

However at least the fact that the limitations on the body mean the android thing can just be ignored in the future.

Harry Treadaway's character just disappeared after he was grabbed by the Synths. And why did he lie to the sister about what he doing with the grenades? Seems like she'd be all for taking out the beacon to stop more powerful machines showing up.

And why did bad Soji let him go?

The story itself was great just some problem and Riker leading cavalry was unexpected (I had not seen Frakes in the opening credits) and glorious. There was too many ships on both sides and it is a pity there wasn't a few moments of a battle but good stuff anyway.