When will we fly again?

Beechwoodspark

I’m amazed at the attitude of some on this thread

What’s so hard to understand?

Most Ppl do not want to get on a flight and breathe in “dirty” recycled air with potentially infected droplets and I ask you - can you blame them?

Credit Checker Moose

Flying from now on will be at your own risk.

Car99

Credit Checker Moose wrote: »

Flying from now on will be at your own risk.

Wasnt it always?

SweetCaliber

Honestly, my flight at the moment to Spain is going ahead on 1st July. However I wont be travelling this year. Summer holidays will not be anywhere near what they were like last year and I'd rather holiday in Ireland this year and try support local businesses.

In Spain they are talking about keeping swimming pools closed, beaches are all segregated, night clubs closed, 2m distancing in pubs. To me that's not a holiday.

Will be looking forward to a holiday next year though, will imagine 2021 will be a lively year for summer holidays.

ninebeanrows

Great numbers from Ireland again today. Reality is that in 4 weeks time case numbers throughout Europe will be very low once social distancing and etiquette can be maintained.

Clonmel1000

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Honestly, my flight at the moment to Spain is going ahead on 1st July. However I wont be travelling this year. Summer holidays will not be anywhere near what they were like last year and I'd rather holiday in Ireland this year and try support local businesses.

In Spain they are talking about keeping swimming pools closed, beaches are all segregated, night clubs closed, 2m distancing in pubs. To me that's not a holiday.

Will be looking forward to a holiday next year though, will imagine 2021 will be a lively year for summer holidays.

What’ll be different in 2021 without a vaccine?

Clonmel1000

Credit Checker Moose wrote: »

Flying from now on will be at your own risk.

As is driving a car, cycling a bicycle, crossing the road.

faceman

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m amazed at the attitude of some on this thread

What’s so hard to understand?

Most Ppl do not want to get on a flight and breathe in “dirty” recycled air with potentially infected droplets and I ask you - can you blame them?

Air on an airplane is not recycled. This has been covered in earlier posts.

Caranica

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, you must be using a different Ryanair to me. Heard the CEO on Newstalk last week saying how is only refunds or rebookings, but that refunds will take a while to process due to volume. Lo and behold last week I cancel two flights and am offered a refund or a rebooking. No mention of vouchers

acermaple wrote: »

Just cancelled my flight with Ryanair, as previous posters have said I was offered re routing or cancellation, no mention of vouchers. Super simple process, this is the message generated at the end, obviously the first 2 words are open to wide interpretation!!

''Once approved your refund request will be processed within 20 working days to the original form of payment and should show in your account within the next 5-7 working days. A confirmation email will be sent to the address provided in your booking''

Nobody was offered a voucher by Ryanair on cancellation of flight. Just refund or rebooking. Yet everyone who selected refund got an email with a voucher within 20 days(ish).

Ryanair is not processing refunds and has said repeatedly that they won't do so until this crisis is "over".

They first started cancelling flights on 10 March so anyone joining the queue in May will have a long wait. Based on figures available on Ryanair's website, they fly in the region of 400k passengers per day. That's many, many millions of passengers.

dok_golf

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Honestly, my flight at the moment to Spain is going ahead on 1st July. However I wont be travelling this year. Summer holidays will not be anywhere near what they were like last year and I'd rather holiday in Ireland this year and try support local businesses.

In Spain they are talking about keeping swimming pools closed, beaches are all segregated, night clubs closed, 2m distancing in pubs. To me that's not a holiday.

Will be looking forward to a holiday next year though, will imagine 2021 will be a lively year for summer holidays.

Would the same conditions not apply to Ireland?

CBear1993

dok_golf wrote: »

Would the same conditions not apply to Ireland?

People will still fly abroad this summer because at the end of the day all we are really getting from Harris and co is “advice”. Not obligatory to listen to it. If you don’t want to stay home all summer and pay through the nose for a pint and feed in Ireland then by all means hop off on Ryanair’s new schedule from July.

Regardless of what it’s like abroad, the weather, scenery and surroundings will almost certainly be nicer than here in the summer. That’s all some people want. They don’t need the nightclubs, restaurants, bars, pools.
Just because a certain section are do-gooders and hang on every word the government says doesn’t mean the rest of us will.

acequion

dee75 wrote: »

Sought refund on different Ryanair flights which were cancelled early April and still waiting for money. As other posters have mentioned, after applying for a refund, we got offered a voucher several weeks later. I've ignored that email, and have heard nothing for 3 weeks.

I'm in the exact same position ie an early April cancellation, requested refund but got offered voucher to which I didn't reply and nothing since.

Like many others I've just received the cancellation of my June flight so that will be two cancellations they'll owe me for. As yet I haven't requested a refund for June.

I'm really not sure what to do as I'm someone who'll be back in the air like a shot as soon as it's possible and where I live, Ryanair is the only option on most routes. So I suppose having flight credit is not a bad idea.

But the problem is that I don't trust Ryanair,hence would rather have my money back and review my options later.

Must we reply to the cancellation email as in fill out a refund request? What happens if you do nothing? Is the credit still there? Am quite muddled by it all and too busy in my work to deal with it.

So I welcome any advice,thanks guys.:)

Caranica

They told me on chat on Tuesday that they had no record of me rejecting the voucher so I was not in the refund queue. This despite me:

• applying for refund on 11 March
• also lodging a formal complaint on 11 March regarding their system only processing a partial instant refund for me, back when you could get instant refunds
• following up on 30 March, promised refund would come through within 28 days to Paypal
• rejecting voucher by filling in a form within minutes of the email arriving on 08 April
• lodging a further official complaint regarding the voucher email given I was promised I'd have my refund by 27 April

Got on webchat this week after spending hours trying to get someone last week. Was told I was absolutely not in the refund queue as Ryanair had sent me a voucher in lieu of refund and they had no record of my rejecting it. I am now in the queue, one of many millions of people.

So if you have not spoken to them on the phone or on webchat to reject the voucher, I'd do so asap.

killbillvol2

Caranica wrote: »

They told me on chat on Tuesday that they had no record of me rejecting the voucher so I was not in the refund queue. This despite me:

• applying for refund on 11 March
• also lodging a formal complaint on 11 March regarding their system only processing a partial instant refund for me, back when you could get instant refunds
• following up on 30 March, promised refund would come through within 28 days to Paypal
• rejecting voucher by filling in a form within minutes of the email arriving on 08 April
• lodging a further official complaint regarding the voucher email given I was promised I'd have my refund by 27 April

Got on webchat this week after spending hours trying to get someone last week. Was told I was absolutely not in the refund queue as Ryanair had sent me a voucher in lieu of refund and they had no record of my rejecting it. I am now in the queue, one of many millions of people.

So if you have not spoken to them on the phone or on webchat to reject the voucher, I'd do so asap.

This is the problem with having 10 different threads on refunds. An alleged expert advised in multiple threads that no action needed to be taken if you didn't want the voucher.

Technocentral

killbillvol2 wrote: »

This is the problem with having 10 different threads on refunds. An alleged expert advised in multiple threads that no action needed to be taken if you didn't want the voucher.

Too many refund threads why aren't people using the main one?

Caranica

Technocentral wrote: »

Too many refund threads why aren't people using the main one?

There's threads on at least 4 different fora - Travel, Consumer Issues, Aviation and Aircraft and Legal Discussion.

maestroamado

Technocentral wrote: »

Too many refund threads why aren't people using the main one?

Which be main consumer the main one??

Technocentral

maestroamado wrote: »

Which be main consumer the main one??

The refund thréad for refund issues, not the "when will we fly again" one for instance.

Micky 32

Looks like Harris will be signing the 2 week quarantine into law this week.

Vinnie222

Micky 32 wrote: »

Looks like Harris will be signing the 2 week quarantine into law this week.

About time. 2 many coming in from counties with high cases still

otnomart

Micky 32 wrote: »

Looks like Harris will be signing the 2 week quarantine into law this week.

(That would not personally affect me - as I do not plan to travel to Ireland this year)

It will surely have a crippling effect on the Irish tourism industry.
Do I understand it right that only UK tourists are not affected by the 2 week quarantine ?

Micky 32

otnomart wrote: »

(That would not personally affect me - as I do not plan to travel to Ireland this year)

It will surely have a crippling effect on the Irish tourism industry.
Do I understand it right that only UK tourists are not affected by the 2 week quarantine ?

I think the government want UK included. According to Leo his aim is to get EU travel back normal in months. So quarantine law may only be for months depending how things go.

LuasSimon

Up until September has been mentioned meaning the summer months will pass without tourists spending the virus . September would have lower numbers to manage apparently .

Caranica

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think the government want UK included. According to Leo his aim is to get EU travel back normal in months. So quarantine law may only be for months depending how things go.

How would that work for cross border workers and visitors

Royale with Cheese

I've a provisional trip to France booked for September 2nd, kinda figured that September would be the cut off date for returning to some kind of normality. Only paid a mostly refundable deposit for the boat so far though, nothing else booked. It's very much wait and see but I definitely don't agree with the doom and gloom of not being able to leave the country for the rest of the year, it's far too early to call that.

Micky 32

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I've a provisional trip to France booked for September 2nd, kinda figured that September would be the cut off date for returning to some kind of normality. Only paid a mostly refundable deposit for the boat so far though, nothing else booked. It's very much wait and see but I definitely don't agree with the doom and gloom of not being able to leave the country for the rest of the year, it's far too early to call that.

I think there would be definately more chance of that happening than a flight. But then it depends how long Harris signs the quaratine for.

TheMilkyPirate

All I see here is talk of refunds. Thread title is when can we fly again.

Would it be silly to think that I could get to Amsterdam in early September? Pipe dream or possible?

jonnny68

Micky 32 wrote: »

Looks like Harris will be signing the 2 week quarantine into law this week.

ferry to Belfast from Liverpool and bus to Dublin so, not a chance im self isolating for 2 weeks and having people call to the gaff.

acequion

I'll be gutted if it's as late as September as summer will be over then. If things go well I sincerely hope that it will be earlier.

There is a certain penalising of summer holiday makers going on there which seems unfair considering that up to now anyone could come into the country and basically do what they liked.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm coming from the optimistic perspective that numbers won't spike either here or in Europe. And I know that's the huge "If." But if they don't, then locking up the island at this point seems a bit counterproductive.

acequion

acequion wrote: »

I'll be gutted if it's as late as September as summer will be over then. If things go well I sincerely hope that it will be earlier.

There is a certain penalising of summer holiday makers going on there which seems unfair considering that up to now anyone could come into the country and basically do what they liked.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm coming from the optimistic perspective that numbers won't spike either here or in Europe. And I know that's the huge "If." But if they don't, then locking up the island at this point seems a bit counterproductive.

It will stop holiday makers coming into the country. It won’t necessarily stop Irish people going abroad (to places that don’t have quarantine), as the quarantine on the way back is not a million miles away from just WFH, which many of us are doing anyway. That’s a price I am prepared to pay if it is clear that quarantine will be until September

odyssey06

Deleted User wrote: »

That’s a price I am prepared to pay if it is clear that quarantine will be until September

Quick q - does that mean that quarantine is expected to be in force during September?

acequion

odyssey06 wrote: »

Quick q - does that mean that quarantine is expected to be in force during September?

I was wondering the same. Could a person go away for the last two weeks of August and avoid quarantine if it goes in September? Not everyone can manage the WFH thing if workplaces are open again in September.

dohouch

Coming soon to an airport near you--:::: ( Read the full tweet, not going to happen anyplace in good 'ol Europe, me thinks)
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EDIT Guardian Link --Flying long haul during Covid-19: air travel has never been stranger
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I’ve landed in Hong Kong after flying from Paris CDG, via London Heathrow. I now have to wait ~8 hours before I get my #COVID19 test results and thus have ample time to tweet about my experience.
https://twitter.com/laurelchor/status/1260784481159442434
Tweeter's CV=Laurel Chor @laurelchor Photographer & journalist @NatGeo
Explorer | credits:
@natgeo@wsj@getty@latimes@afp@reuters@nytimes@washingtonpost@vicenews@hbo@nbcnews
Hong Kong instagram.com/laurelchorJoined January 2008

killbillvol2

dohouch wrote: »

Coming soon to an airport near you--:::: ( Read the full tweet, not going to happen anyplace in good 'ol Europe, me thinks)

I’ve landed in Hong Kong after flying from Paris CDG, via London Heathrow. I now have to wait ~8 hours before I get my #COVID19 test results and thus have ample time to tweet about my experience.
https://twitter.com/laurelchor/status/1260784481159442434
Tweeter's CV=Laurel Chor @laurelchor Photographer & journalist @NatGeo
Explorer | credits:
@natgeo@wsj@getty@latimes@afp@reuters@nytimes@washingtonpost@vicenews@hbo@nbcnews
Hong Kong instagram.com/laurelchorJoined January 2008

The full article was in the Guardian in Saturday. Interesting read. Can't link it on my phone.

manniot2

Not sure if anyone has a view on this question - why are Ryanair giving free change of flight (including change of destination and no charge for increase in flight price) if I go in August but not September? Are they just trying to get some business going or do they know it wont be possible to go to Spain in August for most people (due to a likely quarantine over there), but they are happy to fill the planes as best they can and not cancel them therefore no refunds?

JimmyVik

manniot2 wrote: »

Not sure if anyone has a view on this question - why are Ryanair giving free change of flight (including change of destination and no charge for increase in flight price) if I go in August but not September? Are they just trying to get some business going or do they know it wont be possible to go to Spain in August for most people (due to a likely quarantine over there), but they are happy to fill the planes as best they can and not cancel them therefore no refunds?

Thats exactly why. Theyve been working out how to gently guide people in the way that they can keep the most money if people dont fly.
If you are changing your flight change it to one much later in the year or next year even, but do not change it to the flights they have on in July or August, because if you dont fly they will fly the planes anyway and keep your money. July and August are jackpot time for Ryanair with keeping fares.

manniot2

manniot2 wrote: »

Not sure if anyone has a view on this question - why are Ryanair giving free change of flight (including change of destination and no charge for increase in flight price) if I go in August but not September? Are they just trying to get some business going or do they know it wont be possible to go to Spain in August for most people (due to a likely quarantine over there), but they are happy to fill the planes as best they can and not cancel them therefore no refunds?

Vouchers as bad as they are are far preferrable to booking a July or August flight.
I think even going forward I won't be booking anything too much in advance that can't be cancelled ......... flights will be either cheap ones booked in advance or I'll take my chances on booking them a week or two out from trip.

jonnny68

Due to fly this weekend to the UK and flight hasn't been cancelled yet ,so im going to go for it not a holiday some family which cant wait, ill be coming back by ferry via Belfast though, fcuk that having to self isolate for 2 weeks, be grand going to the UK as it's been confirmed Irish nationals are exempt from the 2 week quarantine.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/london-confirms-travellers-from-ireland-to-be-exempt-from-covid-19-quarantine-1.4256622

naughtysmurf

Reports from various sources this morning that Spain is hoping to open up to international travelers from late June, Sky, The Guardian & others

jonnny68

jonnny68 wrote: »

............ fcuk that having to self isolate for 2 weeks,...........

Hopefully you don't take the same attitude to social distancing etc.

maestroamado

manniot2 wrote: »

Not sure if anyone has a view on this question - why are Ryanair giving free change of flight (including change of destination and no charge for increase in flight price) if I go in August but not September? Are they just trying to get some business going or do they know it wont be possible to go to Spain in August for most people (due to a likely quarantine over there), but they are happy to fill the planes as best they can and not cancel them therefore no refunds?

Ryanair are just trying to create a demand as they tried to sell with increase fare and people not take up, they just want to try and get confidence back into air travel.
There has being very little talk about how hotels etc can get back to normal and i believe this will prove a more difficult challenge.
A Ryanair plane can carry about 180 people and very easy to wipe clean, there be a lot of cleaning to accommodate same number in hotel etc.



Personally i be surprised if there quarantine in Spain in August unless virus returns with a vengence, Italy have already said they cannot afford to stay closed and i expect Spain to fallow.

jonnny68

Augeo wrote: »

Hopefully you don't take the same attitude to social distancing etc.

no i dont, i'm very careful, only go to supermarkets when it's quiet and keep distance from others, ill wear a KN95 mask and gloves on the flight.

Muscles Schultz

I have 2 weeks booked in Lanzarote from Aug 5th. Any chance there will be flights? Would prefer not as I’m not keen on travel but can’t start refund process until cancelled officially I guess

Muscles Schultz

Muscles Schultz wrote: »

I have 2 weeks booked in Lanzarote from Aug 5th. Any chance there will be flights? Would prefer not as I’m not keen on travel but can’t start refund process until cancelled officially I guess

I doubt that they will be cancelled. Things are moving so fast now that I would imagine that travel within the EU will be relatively free of barriers by August. The airlines will certainly want to be up and running as much as possible, even if there is quarantine in some places

Clonmel1000

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I doubt that they will be cancelled. Things are moving so fast now that I would imagine that travel within the EU will be relatively free of barriers by August. The airlines will certainly want to be up and running as much as possible, even if there is quarantine in some places

The big issue is what countries will have the quarantine and for how long. Listening to Harris he’d have us all here until this magic vaccine is found.

Bob24

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

The big issue is what countries will have the quarantine and for how long. Listening to Harris he’d have us all here until this magic vaccine is found.

Yeah that's the crux of it. Even of flights resume as normal, if entering a country requires a quarantine (or even a simply a health check meaning people to wait in isolation for several hours), short trips are out of the equation.

Clonmel1000

Bob24 wrote: »

Yeah that's the crux of it. Even of flights resume as normal, if entering a country requires a quarantine (or even a simply a health check meaning people to wait in isolation for several hours), short trips are out of the equation.

I’m concerned about the restrictions on return more than going. If we’ve to isolate for 2 weeks after coming back that will make it impossible for travel really. I’d put up with the extra q

Muscles Schultz

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

I’m concerned about the restrictions on return more than going. If we’ve to isolate for 2 weeks after coming back that will make it impossible for travel really. I’d put up with the extra q

This is the point. It’s make travel v difficult and surely reason enough to claim on travel insurance

CBear1993

Anyone have thoughts on Aer Lingus while on this topic of Ryanair?

What are the chances of Aer Lingus flights going in June? Hard to see when Ryanair aren’t going until 1st July, why are they getting special treatment?

Have heard Aer Lingus have been cancelling flights with little or no notice on customers.

Our accommodation provider in Portugal are looking full payment before 5th June. We’re due to fly 20th into faro. I want to go but I can’t see it happening for some reason.

I can just see us paying it all then Aer lingus cancelling about 5 days before hand.

I’ve been onto their twitter help and emailed at least 3 times over the last few weeks and they still maintain June flights are running...

cgcsb

Feeling optimistic about September in Spain. Things seem to be moving pretty quick there, rumours of July holidays even. My concern is that if I go to Spain for a week in Sept will I have to self isolate for 2 weeks when I get back. I'll have to go to work is the problem, and I doubt working from home will still be the norm by then.