When will we fly again?

JimmyVik

Messiah Victorious Rainstorm wrote: »

This may not be feasible, but it would be good if each country could first eradicate the virus in their country (maybe take 6 months). Less for some, more for others. Then make everyone take test in each airport before flying.

Im not flying anywhere if there is a chance of somone in my party or sitting close to me getting a cold on the flight (happened before) and then quarantined for your entire holiday when they take your temperature at the other end.

Gael23

Thinking of rescheduling my June trip to September or October. I didnt get to go anywhere last year so want to this year.

Sheep Shagger

Clearly trying make up for the write off that is summer 2020, Cassidy Travel are really pushing sun holiday packages for 2021 via their social media...

dalyboy

Maybe if the airlines installed custom perspex glass in strategic/random fashion to facilitate singles , couples , families seating.

Gael23

Has anyone rescheduled for later in 2020 or just writing off this year?

smelly sock

Gael23 wrote: »

Has anyone rescheduled for later in 2020 or just writing off this year?

I think its begining to look like a write off. Hopefully airlines cancel but i wouldnt bet on it. Isolation when landing in a country is a real game changer.

opinionated3

Gael23 wrote: »

Has anyone rescheduled for later in 2020 or just writing off this year?

Due to go on hols in September to Portugal. In my head I have it written off, especially after today's memo from the EU commission more or less saying that travel will be restricted to family only i.e people returning to their home countries to visit family etc. Disappointing but nothing we can do only hope the hotel is kind enough to allow us rebook for next year at a similar rate. I'm more worried at this point in time about my job as I work in aviation. Need to see planes back in the sky asap, or else job losses are going to increase exponentially.

ZX7R

opinionated3 wrote: »

Due to go on hols in September to Portugal. In my head I have it written off, especially after today's memo from the EU commission more or less saying that travel will be restricted to family only i.e people returning to their home countries to visit family etc. Disappointing but nothing we can do only hope the hotel is kind enough to allow us rebook for next year at a similar rate. I'm more worried at this point in time about my job as I work in aviation. Need to see planes back in the sky asap, or else job losses are going to increase exponentially.

Where can I find a Link to the memo about family visiting thanks

Enigma IE

Gael23 wrote: »

Has anyone rescheduled for later in 2020 or just writing off this year?

Had Majorca booked for 1st June 2020, pushed it back 12 months. Hopefully things get back to normal sooner - obviously.

opinionated3

ZX7R wrote: »

Where can I find a Link to the memo about family visiting thanks

It appeared on my Facebook timeline on a holiday group that I'm member of. It was quoted from the European commissioner for the internal market Thierry Breton I think

Rob Thomas

I think its likely 2020 in total will be a write off for air travel.



Until there is a proven vaccine or treatment, countries wont open their borders to travellers without some form of isolation or quarantine period.



I was told today that the Australian Government has said that international travel before early 2021 is now highly unlikely

Enigma IE

Rob Thomas wrote: »

I was told today that the Australian Government has said that international travel before early 2021 is now highly unlikely

Any links for this by any chance? We have tentative plans to travel to Oz in Q1 next year, nothing booked.

Thanks

EDIT - found it, thanks. Should have googled it first

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australias-tourism-minister-issues-warning-international-travel-unlikely-to-resume-until-at-least-2021/ar-BB12zRR6

SleetAndSnow

"All mass gatherings banned until august" set to be announced by the Gov. I wonder how this affects air travel, would it be regarded as a 'mass gathering' since its so enclosed? https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-all-mass-gatherings-in-state-set-to-be-banned-until-august-1.4234326

gonna be interesting to see how they define it

EDIT: Looks to be 5k people so nevermind

billyhead

Due to travel in September. If flights are restricted to visiting family only as mentioned by a previous poster should I be entitled to a refund if the trip is recreational?

Sheep Shagger

billyhead wrote: »

Due to travel in September. If flights are restricted to visiting family only as mentioned by a previous poster should I be entitled to a refund if the trip is recreational?

If the flight departs then no refund - even if you decide not to travel.

If the airline cancels then it's a refund or voucher.

If your destination is on a DFA no fly list, your travel insurance may cover it.

billyhead

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

If the flight departs then no refund - even if you decide not to travel.

If the airline cancels then it's a refund or voucher.

If your destination is on a DFA no fly list, your travel insurance may cover it.

Cheers. Don't have insurance. Hopefully I will be able to go. It's a week's holiday I was really looking forward to.

opinionated3

Just for your information folks, Portuguese hotels expect to be fully open in July, but more than likely only catering for domestic market. The canaries hoping to welcome international travellers sometime around October......

DvB

opinionated3 wrote: »

The canaries hoping to welcome international travellers sometime around October......

May I ask where you heard this?

opinionated3

DvB wrote: »

May I ask where you heard this?

Gran-canaria-info.com

RobertKK

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1252555141229809665?s=20

Gael23

billyhead wrote: »

Cheers. Don't have insurance. Hopefully I will be able to go. It's a week's holiday I was really looking forward to.

My insurance say they won’t

riddles

It's still a mystery - we are on 80% lockdown with no significant public gatherings in the foreseeable future.

I contacted Aerlingus about planned holiday flight departing in early June to Italy and got the following response. I know its a game of cat and mouse at the moment to ensure joe public incurs the cost.

Planes full of holidays makers taking off in June while - pubs, gigs and sporting events remained banned here.

At this time, we continue to operate service and as your flight is still operating, our standard fare rules apply, if you don’t wish to travel with us a refund of taxes less the admin fee will apply.

We continue to closely follow developments on the Coronavirus outbreak and will provide continuous updates on our website or will send you an email of any changes to your travel. Please be assured that our existing policies and procedures are in line with the guidance provided by the World Health Organization (WHO) and EASA.

If you purchased travel insurance, please contact them to file a claim.

In this situation, you may:
• Postpone your trip - Change fees and fare differences may apply, as per the rules of the fare purchased. Most changes can be made by selecting the Manage Trip option on aerlingus.com
• Cancel your trip - Non-refundable fares will receive a refund of taxes only, as advised during purchase. If you wish this option, please confirm by reply if you wish us to proceed.

Due to high volumes of queries, please do not respond further unless you require additional assistance.

Gael23

My holiday for June 27th was cancelled today.

Spanish Eyes

Am a cautious person. I don't think I'd like to be in a crowded space like an airport and security Q and on a plane for a long while yet.

Not worth it for me, others may feel differently.

And I wonder how the recipient destination will react too regarding hordes of visitors many of whom may be carriers of the virus. Tough times.

nc6000

Gael23 wrote: »

My holiday for June 27th was cancelled today.

Do you mean cancelled by the travel agent or flights cancelled by the airline?

Gael23

nc6000 wrote: »

Do you mean cancelled by the travel agent or flights cancelled by the airline?

It’s an escorted tour so cancelled by the tour company. Flights at the moment still scheduled to operate

Sheep Shagger

Frustrating seeing travel agents and airlines pushing very cheap options for the later part of this year and into 2021.

Already had to cancel a family trip to Thailand this year, then see flights from under €400 return Sept-Nov...if only we knew they would actually happen

https://www.secretflying.com/posts/dublin-ireland-bangkok-thailand-e397-roundtrip/

maestroamado

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Frustrating seeing travel agents and airlines pushing very cheap options for the later part of this year and into 2021.

Already had to cancel a family trip to Thailand this year, then see flights from under €400 return Sept-Nov...if only we knew they would actually happen

https://www.secretflying.com/posts/dublin-ireland-bangkok-thailand-e397-roundtrip/

Do you know if the flights on all routes and where to look?
I have a voucher for KLM/AF and i want to get best value from
Sorry i'm an eejit its on the page you posted...

ShineOn7

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Frustrating seeing travel agents and airlines pushing very cheap options for the later part of this year and into 2021.

Already had to cancel a family trip to Thailand this year, then see flights from under €400 return Sept-Nov...if only we knew they would actually happen

https://www.secretflying.com/posts/dublin-ireland-bangkok-thailand-e397-roundtrip/

Chancers

They know the possibilities of Thailand being open in September are, at the very best, 50/50

Micky 32

Gael23 wrote: »

Has anyone rescheduled for later in 2020 or just writing off this year?

I travel to the USA twice a year to see family, I was supposed to be there this week. I actually awoke this morning after 4 am and I heard my return flight plane fly over my house

I opted for the voucher plus 10% from Aerlingus, I think it’s valid for 5 years. I’m happy enough with that.

I would say this year would be too risky to fly, hopefully next year or the year after things should be improved. Once the green light comes I’ll be on the first plane out of here :cool:

McSween

I have Shannon-Alicante on 16-30 May. No emails yet. But my father in law has already rerouted his Kerry to Alicante flight (17th May) - they emailed him a month ago. A matter of time?

jd1983

I've been following this thread on and off over the last while. It's very difficult to have any certainty around anything given what's happened over the last 7 weeks. However my gut feeling has been that the consensus on this thread has been quite pessimistic. Earlier today I was reading the following report by WHO:

"Non-pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza"

They're suggesting that there's little evidence behind travel restrictions and to just use them as delay tactic for a limited period of time. With that in mind, I'd hope air travel within the EU would open up by the end of the summer. Domestic routes should open before then. What are people's thoughts on WHO's recommendations?

https://www.who.int/influenza/publications/public_health_measures/publication/en/

ShineOn7

jd1983 wrote: »

What are people's thoughts on WHO's recommendations?

https://www.who.int/influenza/publications/public_health_measures/publication/en/

I trust absolutely fúck all from WHO now. They've made a balls of this

Gael23

Micky 32 wrote: »

I travel to the USA twice a year to see family, I was supposed to be there this week. I actually awoke this morning after 4 am and I heard my return flight plane fly over my house

I opted for the voucher plus 10% from Aerlingus, I think it’s valid for 5 years. I’m happy enough with that.

I would say this year would be too risky to fly, hopefully next year or the year after things should be improved. Once the green light comes I’ll be on the first plane out of here :cool:

We have family in the US also and they were supposed to be coming over in June for a family occasion which now looks unlikely.

DvB

jd1983 wrote: »

. What are people's thoughts on WHO's recommendations?

I think whatever happens, the way this has been presented to the population that even if travel restrictions were lifted & hotels/bars/restaurants etc. were opened across europe huge amounts of people still wont travel & will take the financial hit that comes with it.

I genuinely dont think boards is representative of the overall general public feeling around this, with most people I speak to terrified at the thought of going out to shops to buy essentials, never mind going to airports, mingling with 100's of strangers, sharing an enclosed space with 200 other people and then mingling with 1000's of strangers ina foreign land... the travel industry is a write off for 2020 IMO.

jd1983

DvB wrote: »

I think whatever happens, the way this has been presented to the population that even if travel restrictions were lifted & hotels/bars/restaurants etc. were opened across europe huge amounts of people still wont travel & will take the financial hit that comes with it.

I genuinely dont think boards is representative of the overall general public feeling around this, with most people I speak to terrified at the thought of going out to shops to buy essentials, never mind going to airports, mingling with 100's of strangers, sharing an enclosed space with 200 other people and then mingling with 1000's of strangers ina foreign land... the travel industry is a write off for 2020 IMO.

Do you think the media to blame for fear mongering? If so, do you think perceptions can change back quite quickly. As perceptions have changed massively over the last two months.

punisher5112

Borders should be closed, anyone planning holidays, do so for next year....


The more people travel the more it spreads....

Great to see numbers are dropping but they are still high and what's to stop it exploding again....


The planet is already healing somewhat from the less travel and commuting....

DvB

jd1983 wrote: »

Do you think the media to blame for fear mongering? If so, do you think perceptions can change back quite quickly. As perceptions have changed massively over the last two months.

Thats a good question, & honestly, I don't know.

It just dawned on me talking to people over the last week that when easing of restrictions came up so many were cautious of engaging with them & voiced opinions that they'd be continuing to behave as they are currently. I was genuinely surprised how many are in real fear of catching the virus & I can't see the easing of restrictions really changing that mindset in the short term. I could be completely wrong on that but it will take some convincing for many people I suspect to travel outside of Ireland when they're struggling to get their heads around even going for a walk in their local park or suchlike.

killbillvol2

jd1983 wrote: »

Do you think the media to blame for fear mongering? If so, do you think perceptions can change back quite quickly. As perceptions have changed massively over the last two months.

The Irish media has played this all in a relatively level headed manner. Daily facts, no scaremongering, repeat the Stay at Home message. If anything I think they've been too easy on holding the HSE to account.

On the other hand the morons who only get their news from Facebook and Twitter might be scared, but might think it's a conspiracy by China /aliens/US Army /jews/muslims/leprechauns.

DvB

killbillvol2 wrote: »

On the other hand the morons who only get their news from Facebook and Twitter might be scared, but might think it's a conspiracy by China /aliens/US Army /jews/muslims/leprechauns.

That's a tad disingenuous, not everyone afraid of this virus is a moron believing in crackpot conspiracy theories. Many of the people I spoke to would be the polar opposite of that description.

punisher5112

killbillvol2 wrote: »

The Irish media has played this all in a relatively level headed manner. Daily facts, no scaremongering, repeat the Stay at Home message. If anything I think they've been too easy on holding the HSE to account.

On the other hand the morons who only get their news from Facebook and Twitter might be scared, but might think it's a conspiracy by China /aliens/US Army /jews/muslims/leprechauns.

Tell you what go and work in a hospital or better still a care home and then come back to us.....

You only have to look at the figures, not everyone had underlying health issues or were old.....


Many many people have lost their lives way too soon.....

Wife works in a hospital and many staff have caught it...

killbillvol2

You both clearly misunderstood me. I was answering whether the fear was due to the media. I don't think the media have been ott at all. If you get all your news from Facebook you may well be scared, but not necessarily of the virus.

punisher5112

killbillvol2 wrote: »

You both clearly misunderstood me. I was answering whether the fear was due to the media. I don't think the media have been ott at all. If you get all your news from Facebook you may well be scared, but not necessarily of the virus.

Ah right, sound, get you now.....


Oh I totally with you some people are spouting absolute crap.....

RobertKK

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1254736883311153153?s=20

Doesn't look good, but hopefully some vaccine or cure can be found.

ZX7R

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1254736883311153153?s=20

Doesn't look good, but hopefully some vaccine or cure can be found.

There been grounded as part of there bail out / equity deal if accepted by there share holders

ratracer

RobertKK wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1254736883311153153?s=20

Doesn't look good, but hopefully some vaccine or cure can be found.

This is exactly the type of crap tabloid journalism that has people’s heads done in!
Norwegian are and were pretty f****d before Covid19 ever got serious. None of the airlines have any more clue to when normality might resume than any of us have, every country is operating at different time scales fro resumption.

SleetAndSnow

Well expedia refunded my hotel in poland for the end of May. Just waiting on ryanair to cancel the flight for the 31st now. Only had an emaiol offering to change the dates so far.

ZX7R

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Well expedia refunded my hotel in poland for the end of May. Just waiting on ryanair to cancel the flight for the 31st now. Only had an emaiol offering to change the dates so far.

Poland were due to commence flights the 26thof April, that has been extended 9th of may, Ryanair won't cancel flights to Poland after that date

maestroamado

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Well expedia refunded my hotel in poland for the end of May. Just waiting on ryanair to cancel the flight for the 31st now. Only had an emaiol offering to change the dates so far.

Just check again, if they are offering to change the dates the original flight i effectively cancelled...

SleetAndSnow

maestroamado wrote: »

Just check again, if they are offering to change the dates the original flight i effectively cancelled...

yeah they are offering to rebook saying not to book another date in may, but app doesn't say cancelled yet.