Restriction questions - the Megathread

Beasty

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Beasty

It's not for us to determine what is an "essential" service. If your employer believes they are, then they are better positioned than any of us to determine that

Beasty

They will have to apply social distancing rules in their premises, but that may mean manning every other desk or so

rubadub

Beasty wrote: »

It's not for us to determine what is an "essential" service. If your employer believes they are, then they are better positioned than any of us to determine that

They might not believe they are at all, and just say they are, many companies will have a strong vested interest to be lying. The companies listed as essential are quite vague, friends questioned my workplace being open, people are screaming at another person I know who visits many premises in an identified truck.

You can report them to the authorities and let them decide to tell/force them to close.

PickYourName

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The big question is how many would have died from the normal flu instead.

No, it’s not! "Normal flu" doesn't overwhelm intensive and critical care units in hospitals, or indeed lead to mass burials as being seen in New York.

It’s a Trumpian piece of fake-news to compare Covid-19 to “Normal flu”.

PickYourName

moonage wrote: »

That's a load of balls. The death rate for Covid-19 is far, far lower because the number of people who have or have had the virus is vastly more than the confirmed cases.

Interesting. If you have some figures the experts aren't aware of, perhaps you can offer your services to them?

masculinist

PickYourName wrote: »

It’s a Trumpian piece of fake-news to compare Covid-19 to “Normal flu”.

Partisan hate for Trump is irrelevant.
Democrats were calling it a flu , opposing the closure of flights to Wuhan as racist and also encouraging attendance at Chinese New Year parades. The left in Italy were running "Hug a Chinese" events while people were dying. Politics has no place in this thread especially nonsensical partisan hate.

PickYourName

masculinist wrote: »

Partisan hate for Trump is irrelevant.
Democrats were calling it a flu , opposing the closure of flights to Wuhan as racist and also encouraging attendance at Chinese New Year parades. The left in Italy were running "Hug a Chinese" events while people were dying. Politics has no place in this thread especially nonsensical partisan hate.

What hate? I referenced him as he's the most notable proponent of the fake news narrative of “it’s just like the flu”. It just isn’t, unless you’re talking about the last global pandemic of a century ago, but that was no normal flu either.

Irrelevant? In what way is what the Democrats or some Italians think or do in any way relevant?

Doctors room ghost

Quick question.
Would a gardener and a painter be classed as essential services in a normal domestic environment right now and if they were stopped at a checkpoint on their way to work should they be allowed through?
Bear with me for the explanation

easypazz

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Quick question.
Would a gardener and a painter be classed as essential services in a normal domestic environment right now and if they were stopped at a checkpoint on their way to work should they be allowed through?
Bear with me for the explanation

No, unless its essential.

Achasanai

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Quick question.
Would a gardener and a painter be classed as essential services in a normal domestic environment right now and if they were stopped at a checkpoint on their way to work should they be allowed through?
Bear with me for the explanation

We had the landscape people in last week for our apartment complex. I was surprised as it's hardly an essential service. I'd imagine the same could be said for painters.

lawred2

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Quick question.
Would a gardener and a painter be classed as essential services in a normal domestic environment right now and if they were stopped at a checkpoint on their way to work should they be allowed through?
Bear with me for the explanation

watching the late late show I take it!?

kravmaga

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Quick question.
Would a gardener and a painter be classed as essential services in a normal domestic environment right now and if they were stopped at a checkpoint on their way to work should they be allowed through?
Bear with me for the explanation

Your not an essential service or worker unfortunately.

The Garda will turn you around and if your outside of the 2km of your primary residence they can demand your name and address/ driving licence.

If the Garda exhaust the 4 E's at a checkpoint, you could be arrested and charged before the courts, €2,500 fine or 6 months in prison.

Ive was issued with a pass for travel to work by my employer to show Garda at checkpoints, im an essential worker.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0409/1129677-what-to-expect-from-gardai-during-covid-19-restrictions/

jawacz

Hi, I have two people in my home on the "Rent a Room" scheme. One person who is continuing to work Monday to Friday and is a non-national and has no family in Ireland, arrived two days ago with her regular boyfriend who often stays overnight. I understand that he lives more than 2km away, I spoke to her as they got out of the car and explained that she should not socialise with anybody outside her household and that he should not be here, they left and she returned alone a few hours later.

Yesterday she went out in her car and has stayed out overnight.

There are three others living here and apart from her we are complying with the restrictions of movement. I would prefer not to have her staying here any longer, should I just tell her to get accommodation elsewhere & how much time should I allow prior to moving out?

Yes, the rent is very welcome particularly as I am on the Government Covid 19 subsidy but our health and that of the rest of the country is priority.

expectationlost

doylefe wrote: »

Saw a rake of people buying Easter eggs yesterday. Hardly essential. One person bought only Easter egg's, so the only reason for traveling was to buy non essential items. Disgraceful.

Tesco filling up sections of thier shop with plants, fertilizer and gardening items, because the hardware shops are closed.

We can all congregate in supermarkets and spread the virus, but can't go to a gardening center or hardware chain, or collect a trampoline bought on DoneDeal.

This lockdown is farcical. Open the hardware stores, furniture shops, home appliance shops, etc. Open the building sites.

All you need to close are pubs, restaurants, cinemas and tourists spots / beaches.

the law says hardware stores can be open for essential maintenance supplies

Doctors room ghost

expectationlost wrote: »

the law says hardware stores can be open for essential maintenance supplies

Our local one can only sell fert, feed and fencing supplies.
No other hardware sales allowed and they are strict on that saying all sales are computer recorded and can be checked back on inspection

expectationlost

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Our local one can only sell fert, feed and fencing supplies.
No other hardware sales allowed and they are strict on that saying all sales are computer recorded and can be checked back on inspection

Health Act 1947 (Section 31A- Temporary Restrictions) (COVID-19) Regulations 2020

10. Hardware outlets, builders’ merchants and outlets that provide, whether
n a retail or wholesale basis -
(a)
(b)
(c) hardware products necessary for home and business maintenance,
sanitation and farm equipment, or
supplies and tools essential for gardening, farming or agriculture
purposes.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e9d120-minister-for-health-simon-harris-signs-regulations-to-give-an-garda-/

Icyseanfitz

question regarding beaches, i am lucky enough to live less then 2km from a beach here in kerry, i have been using it over the last 2 -3 weeks to get get some exercise and clear my head while staying away from people. I went to go today and there are barriers up at all access points, great idea imo, might deter some people, saying that I saw a group of people crossing them but i decided not to and just go home. As a local am i allowed to still access our beach?

greasepalm

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

question regarding beaches, i am lucky enough to live less then 2km from a beach here in kerry, i have been using it over the last 2 -3 weeks to get get some exercise and clear my head while staying away from people. I went to go today and there are barriers up at all access points, great idea imo, might deter some people, saying that I saw a group of people crossing them but i decided not to and just go home. As a local am i allowed to still access our beach?

Trouble is if they see one person down on beach ahh it must be ok,then someone else joins then more follow.


Closed means for ALL

Discodog

kravmaga wrote: »

Your not an essential service or worker unfortunately.

The Garda will turn you around and if your outside of the 2km of your primary residence they can demand your name and address/ driving licence.

If the Garda exhaust the 4 E's at a checkpoint, you could be arrested and charged before the courts, €2,500 fine or 6 months in prison.

Ive was issued with a pass for travel to work by my employer to show Garda at checkpoints, im an essential worker.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0409/1129677-what-to-expect-from-gardai-during-covid-19-restrictions/

I can't speak for painters but gardeners are on the Essential Services List under Horticulture.

Is Horticulture an Essential Service?
Yes, as confirmed on the DAFM website, on the FAQ page. Horticutural production, including nurseries, is deemed to be included within the Agricultural Essential Business List. Activities may include the ongoing seasonal planting, harvest and maintenance of horticulture plants.

https://www.alci.ie/news-and-events/item/103/advice-to-members-during-covid-19-restrictions

Garden centres are legally allowed to open on Tuesday but some have said that they won't open.

jlm29

Discodog wrote: »

I can't speak for painters but gardeners are on the Essential Services List under Horticulture.

Is Horticulture an Essential Service?
Yes, as confirmed on the DAFM website, on the FAQ page. Horticutural production, including nurseries, is deemed to be included within the Agricultural Essential Business List. Activities may include the ongoing seasonal planting, harvest and maintenance of horticulture plants.

https://www.alci.ie/news-and-events/item/103/advice-to-members-during-covid-19-restrictions

Garden centres are legally allowed to open on Tuesday but some have said that they won't open.

I can’t imagine it would be worth their while. It might be legal for them to open, but i can’t imagine the ordinary joe soap going through a checkpoint being let on to head in to buy a few bedding plants.

Discodog

jlm29 wrote: »

I can’t imagine it would be worth their while. It might be legal for them to open, but i can’t imagine the ordinary joe soap going through a checkpoint being let on to head in to buy a few bedding plants.

It's a tricky one in that, if the shop is allowed to open, then why should it be denied customers ? I think that, if B&Q, Woodies etc opened, there would be big queues.

GinSoaked

Discodog wrote: »

I can't speak for painters but gardeners are on the Essential Services List under Horticulture.

Is Horticulture an Essential Service?
Yes, as confirmed on the DAFM website, on the FAQ page. Horticutural production, including nurseries, is deemed to be included within the Agricultural Essential Business List. Activities may include the ongoing seasonal planting, harvest and maintenance of horticulture plants.

https://www.alci.ie/news-and-events/item/103/advice-to-members-during-covid-19-restrictions

Garden centres are legally allowed to open on Tuesday but some have said that they won't open.

I think you are reading that the wrong way. Horticultural production isn't doing someones garden. You aren't producing anything by cutting someone elses lawn.

jlm29

GinSoaked wrote: »

I think you are reading that the wrong way. Horticultural production isn't doing someones garden. You aren't producing anything by cutting someone elses lawn.

I would have read it that people in those places (nurseries etc) would be considered essential workers in that they could go in and continue to look after plants etc, not that they could be open to the public. I didn’t read anywhere else but On this thread that garden centres could be open from Tuesday, I can’t see how it could be the case

GinSoaked

jlm29 wrote: »

I would have read it that people in those places (nurseries etc) would be considered essential workers in that they could go in and continue to look after plants etc, not that they could be open to the public. I didn’t read anywhere else but On this thread that garden centres could be open from Tuesday, I can’t see how it could be the case

The only way I can see garden centers opening is because they also sell veg seeds, potato sets and horticultural tools but thats a bit of a stretch.

I don't see potted plants for decoration as an essential. Easter is the traditional time when garden centers make their money on plants good weather at Easter used to make a massive difference to sales. So it would be stupid to allow garden centers to open because a bit of decent weather would have them full of people which is what we are trying to avoid.

Our local Glambia shut its garden center early on and are only selling animal feed but even then you have to phone up an order and have it loaded up. No ones allowed in the shop.

jlm29

GinSoaked wrote: »

The only way I can see garden centers opening is because they also sell veg seeds, potato sets and horticultural tools but thats a bit of a stretch.

I don't see potted plants for decoration as an essential. Easter is the traditional time when garden centers make their money on plants good weather at Easter used to make a massive difference to sales. So it would be stupid to allow garden centers to open because a bit of decent weather would have them full of people which is what we are trying to avoid.

Our local Glambia shut its garden center early on and are only selling animal feed but even then you have to phone up an order and have it loaded up. No ones allowed in the shop.

Most garden centres near me are offering a delivery service, I think if they were allowed open the doors everyone would flock to them.

jawacz

Posted this in the "Covid Restrictions of Movement" but got no response so moderators please delete there.

Hi, I have two people in my home on the "Rent a Room" scheme. One person who has been here a year, continuing to work Monday to Friday is a non-national and has no family in Ireland, came back two days ago with her regular boyfriend who often stays overnight. I understand that he lives more than 2km away, I spoke to her as they got out of the car and explained that she should not socialise with anybody outside her household and that he should not be here, they left and she returned alone a few hours later.

Yesterday she went out in her car and has stayed out overnight.

There are three others living here and apart from her we are complying with the restrictions of movement. I would prefer not to have her staying here any longer, Should I just tell her to get accommodation elsewhere & how much time should I allow prior to moving out?

Yes, the rent is very welcome particularly as I am on the Government Covid 19 subsidy but our health and that of the rest of the country is priority.

Black_Knight

Can you drive to a place of exercise within 2km of your home?
And then stay within that 2km radius while you exercise.

kenmm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Can you drive to a place of exercise within 2km of your home?
And then stay within that 2km radius while you exercise.

Brilliant idea - I am going to cycle 2km (i.e. commute to my exercise location) so that I can widen the radius of my cycle meaning if I get stopped at any point I will be either 2km from my location start or my home!

Or at least have a nicer location.

jawacz

jawacz wrote: »

Posted this in the "Covid Restrictions of Movement" but got no response so moderators please delete there.

Hi, I have two people in my home on the "Rent a Room" scheme. One person who has been here a year, continuing to work Monday to Friday is a non-national and has no family in Ireland, came back two days ago with her regular boyfriend who often stays overnight. I understand that he lives more than 2km away, I spoke to her as they got out of the car and explained that she should not socialise with anybody outside her household and that he should not be here, they left and she returned alone a few hours later.

Yesterday she went out in her car and has stayed out overnight.

There are three others living here and apart from her we are complying with the restrictions of movement. I would prefer not to have her staying here any longer, Should I just tell her to get accommodation elsewhere & how much time should I allow prior to moving out?

Yes, the rent is very welcome particularly as I am on the Government Covid 19 subsidy but our health and that of the rest of the country is priority.

There’s a lot of people who’ll try tell you that you owe them something, but I’d be getting them out. Safety is number one on the list and if they’re knowingly endangering that then let them on. No excuses. It’s not a time for them.