Do any of you who went to beaches and popular beauty spots last weekend now regret it

storker

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe the panic shopping has started again... when will we learn!

Last night in Tesco most of the flour and eggs had been panic-bought. From this we drew two conclusions:

1. Lots of people who never baked before have decided to take it up.

2. A year from now most of that flour will be sitting in cupboards, unused.

An Ri rua

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

As was explained in Italy. The less people doing other things the more concentrated medical attention can be for what is important right now.
Someone having a bike crash, twisted ankle or fall hill walking, rescue at sea is an unnecessary draw on essential services

Far worse, someone being self-centred when they have been given guidelines by government in an effort to save community lives. Is there any part of their instructions that give even a glimmer of hope to such me-feinism? The mind boggles lads.
It's quite simply that someone doesn't get that everyone else is entitled to the same individual freedoms. How thick can a person be? Ever so slightly sociopathic if you ask me. Very worrying signs in a person's character. Selfish as f*CK.

P_1

P_1 wrote: »

Just a thought, have the curtain twitchers given any thought to the number of people who will die by suicide as a result of this?

My advice to them would be to put you on their ignore list.

DM_7

Wibbs wrote: »

ahh jaysus. To be fair some bod on a pushbike who doesn't hang out with others is highly unlikely to be a wheeled typhoid mary or mark.

I was tempted the other day to throw the gear in the car and go flyflshing up an off the beaten track river. I'd have troubled nobody and likely have troubled fewer trout and would drive there and back. I won't now since the new guidelines and fair enough, but if I ignored them I'd be far less of a risk compared to the muppets hanging out in parks or estates with their kids mingling with other kids.

Chances are remote that one person undertaking a 80km cycle will need help or have interactions with people outside the household, if enough people ignore it then chances are some people will need assistance due to some sort of misfortune or come into contact with others.

Just like when we were asked to stay home during bad weather it is about reducing opportunity, in the case of a cyclist if a person is dinged by a car, has a fall, gets ill etc and ends up needing help it puts people at risk due to interactions that can be avoided.

easypazz

P_1 wrote: »

Just a thought, have the curtain twitchers given any thought to the number of people who will die by suicide as a result of this?

And how many lives will be saved by people not dying in car crashes, drowning in the sea, not falling and dying on the side of a mountain etc. etc.

And why would this make people suicidal? From a finance side of things banks are willing to work with people to defer repayments, and the €350 is reasonable considering people won't be spending money on restaurants, hair dressers, pubs, sports events etc. etc.

DM_7

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Exactly what hubs and I have been doing for the last while. Well, he drives. But I go with him and wait in the car. Nothing has really changed for us with the new restrictions.

This is what most households should be at, one person shops rest stay out of the shop. Leave the greater than one to those who need help or genuinely have to bring someone in with them like a single parent of young child.

An Ri rua

P_1 wrote: »

Just a thought, have the curtain twitchers given any thought to the number of people who will die by suicide as a result of this?

It's a huge factor in all of this. The potential for suicides, not the curtain twitchers.
My gut instinct is that people denied going on cycles and generally selfish types won't be committing suicide. So, curtain twitchers my arse.
It's a far more delicate section of society who will. And those we never dreamt of, who get pushed over the line by financial and emotional stress. Lots of family units under huge strain now.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

An Ri rua wrote: »

I recall condemnation from some medical experts, not the government medical advisers though and certainly not the government. The Taoiseach was quite diplomatic on this point in fact.
Can you show sources for the condemnation by government and medical experts please.

As you said yourself there has been condemnation from medical experts. Also there has been lots of condemnation from members of government who have tweeted about it. Yes, Leo Varadker himself was diplomatic, understandably. The way to get people on board is to appeal to their better nature, not come out and give them a lash and then announce stricter restrictions.

jrosen

I avoided any of the usual places that are busy but we did take the dogs and kids out a couple of times mid week in the last fortnight. First thing or late in the evening to a forest or park close enough to home. We didnt come into contact with anyone. From what I see a lot of people had the same idea. I have dogs who need to be walked and will continue to walk them but will reduce to one per day V's their usual 4.

We have seen self isolating since march 14th and have had zero contact with anyone. Only time that was hard to avoid was food shop.

baldbear

Last week i brought my 3yr old to the beach every morning at 9 am. Very quiet and 100 metres at least from other people. He is stuck inside all day.

This week we won't go to the beach but will go for a walk near our house.

meeeeh

easypazz wrote: »

And how many lives will be saved by people not dying in car crashes, drowning in the sea, not falling and dying on the side of a mountain etc. etc.

And why would this make people suicidal? From a finance side of things banks are willing to work with people to defer repayments, and the €350 is reasonable considering people won't be spending money on restaurants, hair dressers, pubs, sports events etc. etc.

My father in law died 6 months ago and this is incredibly hard on MIL. It's not just about financial issues, people are dealing with a lot of different things and often it's not just selfishness that makes people break rules. That's why I'm less quick to judge people who go for a drive, 75 year olds going for a walk, people trapped in domestic violence situations being outside and so on. The easiest thing is to be judgemental on social media and telling others what they should do. That is the easy bit.

rtron

I expect the amount of deaths to triple by Monday.
I wonder does Leo regret not putting stricter restrictions in place before last weekend.

P_1

An Ri rua wrote: »

It's a huge factor in all of this. The potential for suicides, not the curtain twitchers.
My gut instinct is that people denied going on cycles and generally selfish types won't be committing suicide. So, curtain twitchers my arse.
It's a far more delicate section of society who will. And those we never dreamt of, who get pushed over the line by financial and emotional stress. Lots of family units under huge strain now.

Solo outdoors exercise has saved a lot of people who are under that strain from going over the edge. This kneejerk slide into authoritarianism is going to make more people decide that life isnt worth living anymore

An Ri rua

Marissa Polite Arch wrote: »

As you said yourself there has been condemnation from medical experts. Also there has been lots of condemnation from members of government who have tweeted about it. Yes, Leo Varadker himself was diplomatic, understandably. The way to get people on board is to appeal to their better nature, not come out and give them a lash and then announce stricter restrictions.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with your stance but I think you're misrepresenting the Cabinet position last weekend. The Government position is not a tweeted position. Happily, we are not in Donald land.

Raconteuse

Marissa Polite Arch wrote: »

Inteteresting that no one has come on yet and said yeah in hindsight it was irresponsible and we shouldn't have done it.

I presume without the new measures a lot of the same people would be heading to Bray and Howth again this weekend ��

Not a bit interesting.

Will they admit it? Will they fuq.

An Ri rua

P_1 wrote: »

Solo outdoors exercise has saved a lot of people who are under that strain from going over the edge. This kneejerk slide into authoritarianism is going to make more people decide that life isnt worth living anymore

You're grasping at straws there. They can cycle around their town/area. This period should build resilience and self-responsibility in people. That is s huge factor in mitigating the trend you foresee.

As Dev said, as citizens we have rights and responsibilities. It's high time for a certain portion to, for just a few bloody weeks, show solidarity with their fellow citizens and BE responsible. This is a small ask.

meeeeh

An Ri rua wrote: »

You're grasping at straws there. They can cycle around their town/area. This period should build resilience and self-responsibility in people. That is s huge factor in mitigating the trend you foresee.

As Dev said, as citizens we have rights and responsibilities. It's high time for a certain portion to, for just a few bloody weeks, show solidarity with their fellow citizens and BE responsible. This is a small ask.

Apparently not. It's not in the spirit of the rules to go for a run/walk/cycle inside 2km area.

Raconteuse

P_1 wrote: »

Just a thought, have the curtain twitchers given any thought to the number of people who will die by suicide as a result of this?

Curtain twitchers or people who don't want the virus to run rampant and kill countless more people? Folk can go for a walk on their own.

Of course people are aware of the wider ramifications - and people sticking to what's appealed of them would help shorten this. But they won't, so that extends how long we are stuck. Blame those not observing social distancing.

A few people post the above type comment as though there is a choice. What alternative do they suggest?

meeeeh

Raconteuse wrote: »

A few people post the above type comment as though there is a choice. What alternative do they suggest?

The choice is to worry about your own actions first. And when you are absolutely surely are doing everything perfectly, by the rules, by the spirit of the rules then maybe start worrying about others.

P_1

An Ri rua wrote: »

You're grasping at straws there. They can cycle around their town/area. This period should build resilience and self-responsibility in people. That is s huge factor in mitigating the trend you foresee.

As Dev said, as citizens we have rights and responsibilities. It's high time for a certain portion to, for just a few bloody weeks, show solidarity with their fellow citizens and BE responsible. This is a small ask.

Thay can until the curtain twitchers around their neighbourhood decide to call the gards on them. You obviously have a higher view of humanity than I do. I wish I shared your optimism

meeeeh

An Ri rua wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I agree with your concerns but I think you're misrepresenting the Cabinet position last weekend. The Government position is not a tweeted position. Happily, we are not in Donald land.

Personally, I brought my elderly mother and stocked up heavily on 1st March. I also bought many K of silver coins. I do not require government assistance in my forward planning. Laughed at in work for prepping. They're not laughing now. There was less risk on 01 March than 01 April. So buy what is needed and cut down interaction. I've always bulk bought. Once a month or 6 weeks on items like cat food, coffee, pastas etc etc. Why would you go every week?? And every day??? This must be going very hard on the consumerist (majority) types. Life will change for the better hopefully.

Because of people who stocked up and bulk bought I had to visit three shops instead of one to buy a bit of flour. Everyone from the government to media was telling you not to crazily bulk buy and now you congratulate yourself and those of us who followed the advice have issues buying some basics and need to visit more shops to do our weekly shop.

Pretty sure the government has to prioritise the global pandemic over some people that may or may not commit suicide because they’re been asked to stay in for a bit.

shesty

storker wrote: »

Last night in Tesco most of the flour and eggs had been panic-bought. From this we drew two conclusions:

1. Lots of people who never baked before have decided to take it up.

2. A year from now most of that flour will be sitting in cupboards, unused.

Actually I have struggled to get flour and buttemilk for a week now.Can't figure it out, the shops are well stocked except for those 2 items!!

Also I will add that I suspect it is mainly being bought to keep kids entertained.....

shesty

To be quite honest to the OP, no I do not.But then our local beach is within 2 km of our house, and is sparsely used.We have literally been in a corner building sandcastles with nobody nearby most mornings.Deliberatlely done early, to avoid possible increases in users later on.A few joggers down by the sea line and a couple of dog walkers in the distance is all we have seen everyday for 2 weeks.I have been out shopping twice in 15 days, late evening, in an almost empty store, gloves on, list in hand, and bought enough to keep going for the next week.

I think you should amend that OP to refer specifically to people who saw parks and beaches were crowded and ploughed on anyway.We are lucky to live where we do....I would hate to be enduring this in other certain parts of the city.

greenpilot

I think the biggest culprits were urbanites. I live in Mayo and last weekend it was very noticeable the amount of Dubs who headed West to the beaches and forests in Mayo and Galway paying no need whatsoever to the recommendations. In fairness, I understand the frustration of those living in housing estates cooped up with kids and we are incredibly lucky where we live (7km from nearest neighbour). The kids always moaned about their remoteness, but they relish it now. Achill, Clifden and Westport were packed with Dubs last weekend.

shesty

For general information btw, Fingal are closing all beach and park carparks now, to stop people going further than they should.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

meeeeh wrote: »

The choice is to worry about your own actions first. And when you are absolutely surely are doing everything perfectly, by the rules, by the spirit of the rules then maybe start worrying about others.

I think most responsible people are worry about their own actions. But they are also worrying about the actions of others because this is an issue that can only be resolved by everyone pulling together.

Individualism, and the attitude that it's no one else's business but my own what I do just isn't appropriate any more.

meeeeh

Marissa Polite Arch wrote: »

I think most responsible people are worry about their own actions. But they are also worrying about the actions of others because this is an issue that can only be resolved by everyone pulling together.

Individualism, and the attitude that it's no one else's business but my own what I do just isn't appropriate any more.

And what does thread like this achieve?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

meeeeh wrote: »

And what does thread like this achieve?

Why does it have to 'achieve' anything? Do you go onto all threads asking what they are going to achieve?
This is a discussion forum and I would like to ask a question and prompt a discussion around a particular issue.
If you don't like the topic of the thread feel perfectly free not to join in. If you want to join in and debate your point of view then do so.
That's how it works.

John_Rambo

Regular beach & park users aren't to blame.

It's the people that usually spend the weekend in pubs, bookies, molls, shopping centres, bowling alleys and cinemas that crowded the beaches and parks because their usual haunts were shut down.

expectationlost

if this goes beyond 2 weeks they could institute sat/sun odd/even license plate parking at parks etc, spreading people out is a good thing, (although I don't see that many people /kids playing on my local green)

twowheelsonly

meeeeh wrote: »

Btw since we all have to stay within 2km its about time to ban public transport.

Plenty of workers still need to get to work.

shesty wrote: »

For general information btw, Fingal are closing all beach and park carparks now, to stop people going further than they should.

This always gets me anyway - people need to drive to go for a walk. Just open the front door, hit the nearest footpath and there's a walk right in front of you FFS. Yes, a walk on the beach/in the forest is lovely but ultimately a walk is a walk.

meeeeh

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Plenty of workers still need to get to work.




This always gets me anyway - people need to drive to go for a walk. Just open the front door, hit the nearest footpath and there's a walk right in front of you FFS. Yes, a walk on the beach/in the forest is lovely but ultimately a walk is a walk.

It depends where you live. I don't have to drive but it is apparently proven that green (trees, grass) and blue (water) surroundings are hugely beneficial for us.

There is a reason why people go to certain spots. I come from alpine country and at the weekend car parks at the foot of the mountains are full, Corona or no Corona.

That's just by the way observation, of course people shouldn't drive somewhere now but there is a reason why we pick certain locations.

meeeeh

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm pretty good at getting things thank you very much. I'm also pretty good at not touching anything outside the house unless I absolutely have to (shop).

Fair play, would you care to share the secret of flight and no shedding?

shesty

Also, opening our front door puts us into our housing estate, with more people around.

Versus a 2 min drive to a nearby beach (just because we have a small toddler so no beach access with a buggy...), parking in a side lane and spending time in a deserted area.

No winning.

twowheelsonly

meeeeh wrote: »

It depends where you live. I don't have to drive but it is apparently proven that green (trees, grass) and blue (water) surroundings are hugely beneficial for us.

There is a reason why people go to certain spots. I come from alpine country and at the weekend car parks at the foot of the mountains are full, Corona or no Corona.

That's just by the way observation, of course people shouldn't drive somewhere now but there is a reason why we pick certain locations.

I 100% agree with you. Nothing better than water / trees / beach but ultimately a walk is a walk. I usually walk at night after work (finish at 8pm most days) so those things are not an option at that time. Makes no difference to me though, I still feel better for the walk regardless of where it is.

shesty wrote: »

Also, opening our front door puts us into our housing estate, with more people around.

Versus a 2 min drive to a nearby beach (just because we have a small toddler so no beach access with a buggy...), parking in a side lane and spending time in a deserted area.

No winning.

I'm in a housing estate and it's practically deserted for the last two weeks. A greenway / reclaimed railway line not half a mile from me is packed though, even today. I'd love to go for a walk there right now but fleck that, I'll go after 7 tonight and take the dog out around the roads and shopping centre car parks.
The car park at Blackrock Castle (Cork) is packed with people using the walkway. Using the current guidelines only people living within the 2km radius should be there. If they are all from within that radius then why should they need to drive down there ?

whisky_galore

People lack imagination, ah shur lookit we'll go to our usual walking spot. Too fücking thick to find an alternative when its found to be packed. Now we are all deprived of spaces thanks to these eejits.

rtron

14 Dead today the restrictions came way too late.

Caquas

Here’s a tool for Apple Maps you can use to show a 2 km. radius from your home

https://apps.apple.com/ie/app/free-map-tools/id1075853833

Oddly, Google Maps don’t seem to have anything equivalent.

twowheelsonly

Caquas wrote: »

Here’s a tool for Apple Maps you can use to show a 2 km. radius from your home

https://apps.apple.com/ie/app/free-map-tools/id1075853833

Oddly, Google Maps don’t seem to have anything equivalent.

https://2kmfromhome.com/?fbclid=IwAR0toOHJpe6t4sqS8DlpWQYVsMUMzREe3TcaCHpY3LVyFzd0MB0Kd5DkVe4

c68zapdsm5i1ru

rtron wrote: »

14 Dead today the restrictions came way too late.

Hopefully everyone will now take note and stop treating the restrictions like rules to be got around.

blockfighter

Marissa Polite Arch wrote: »

Hopefully everyone will now take note and stop treating the restrictions like rules to be got around.

They won't. Plenty of evidence of that in a good few threads on boards. There's a lot of idiots out there. Im just trying to keep away from them.

auspicious

Would it be too much to suggest the mods should forward the details of those openly determined to flout the new guidelines to Gardai so they can have a chat?

Blaze420

rtron wrote: »

14 Dead today the restrictions came way too late.

No they didn’t, we just have a cohort of people in this country who know it all and do whatever they want. They’ll pay a big price for their pigheadness now though, no sympathy from me

auspicious

Will people start be behave only when deaths reach 30 per day? or 40? 80? 200?
What does it take?

splinter65

auspicious wrote: »

Will people start be behave only when deaths reach 30 per day? or 40? 80? 200?
What does it take?

That’s not how it works with these people. The people will all die, not because THEY refused to follow the instructions, but because Varadkar and Harris and Dr Holohan did or didn’t do this that or the other (do more testing, buy more ventilators, lockdown the nursing homes in time etc) It’s always the governments fault.

whisky_galore

Marissa Polite Arch wrote: »

treating the restrictions like rules to be got around.

It's the Irish way after all.

whisky_galore

auspicious wrote: »

Would it be too much to suggest the mods should forward the details of those openly determined to flout the new guidelines to Gardai so they can have a chat?

Best of luck with that.

auspicious

whisky_galore wrote: »

Best of luck with that.

Let's just close the thread then. All it is is bickering and irritating people. There's enough **** going on.

meeeeh

auspicious wrote: »

Would it be too much to suggest the mods should forward the details of those openly determined to flout the new guidelines to Gardai so they can have a chat?

So you think now it's the right time to waste time with hypothetical situations and getting them to visit people for a chat instead of dealing with people who actually break the rules. Do you like to waste their time in general or just when their resources are stretched the most?