In your opinion, what does the future of Travel look like?

threeball

TomSweeney wrote: »

There is national parks in the US being ruined by these types of morons that never would have gone to scenic places in the past, but now for social media they flood the places.

When they're taking selfies in Auschwitz its hardly surprising they are going to beauty spots to take them. The future of humanity.

threeball

Muahahaha wrote: »

Not sure why he is worried about the boarding queue in the airport when social distancing is basically impossible on the aircraft itself. An ex Aer Lingus pilot on RTE today said that even if you leave the middle seat free there still isnt even a metre between passangers dont mind two metres.

43cm generally. Thats before the aircon blows it all over the shop as has been shown to be the case in numerous studies.

snotboogie

Muahahaha wrote: »

Not sure why he is worried about the boarding queue in the airport when social distancing is basically impossible on the aircraft itself. An ex Aer Lingus pilot on RTE today said that even if you leave the middle seat free there still isnt even a metre between passangers dont mind two metres.

I've seen a few comments like this and I'm glad people are finally waking up to the seriousness of long term social distancing. Realistically no shared transport is possible, from public transport to planes,with social distancing in place.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Fairly seasoned traveller here. You'd be surprised how many 20 year olds go all the way to stunning waterfalls (for example), don't take in the moment, get their friend to take several pics with a fake smile (till they're happy that it looks good enough for the 'Gram) and then they promptly fúck off

They take nothing into their soul or memory. It's all for Instagram. I have easily seen a couple of hundred tourists like this

Hopefully there's less of them when we're allowed wander again

I was in Berlin a few years ago and went to the East End Gallery which, for anyone who hasn’t been, is a stretch of the Berlin Wall painted with numerous murals. We started at the beginning and worked our way down, taking them all in. We hit a crowd a bit of the way down and could not see the mural around which they were gathered. My husband finally caught a glimpse and it was the famous kiss mural. We waited a while for the crowd to dissipate but got bored so carried on down the wall. It just seemed like a box-ticking exercise for most people there and the crazy thing is if they had spread out and taken in the whole gallery, everyone would have got to see the kiss mural too. And whilst that mural is cool, there are loads of other interesting and striking ones too but most of the people there didn’t seem to care and just seemed to want to get their photo next to that particular mural. I would have liked to have got a good look at it but I was interested in the whole gallery too.

ShineOn7

Getting back on topic

Light after the lockdown — the future of travel https://www.ft.com/content/84bb4618-888d-11ea-a01c-a28a3e3fbd33

"The industry’s supply chains could be shortened, too. At present, a typical adventure holiday, for example, might be booked with a travel agent who takes a commission and then passes the booking on to a specialist tour operator, who passes it to a destination management company, which then subcontracts to an actual guide.

A third of the cost of the holiday or more might never leave the traveller’s home country"

Thelonious Monk

I'm sure it will go back to normal but that's not to say cheap flights haven't absolutely ruined some places. My brother lives in Malta and all the beauty spots there are destroyed with overcrowding like St Peter's Pool and the Blue Lagoon. Cities like Barcelona and Lisbon are like a jam packed Disneyland nowadays, with locals not being able to afford to live in their own city due to everyone's apartment being on Airbnb. Sure I've been part of all these problems on the past but recent experiences have really put me off it, I don't want to be part of that. Holidays in places like Costa del Sol etc are actually probably the best for everyone as they are generally cheap and you're not putting out the locals by going there as that's what these places are built for.
You don't have to be some zealot or begrudger to point out the problems loads and loads of cheap flights cause.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Muahahaha wrote: »

The Insta thing is definitely real, Ive an Aussie mate who drives tour buses for the 18-35 market across Europe every summer and he was telling me of a look out spot in Santorini where tourists actually queue up for 30-45 minutes to take a selfie. Last summer he left two of them behind as they weren't back to the bus on time and he had a ferry to catch, the importance of their selfie cost them several hundred euro in a taxi to catch up with the bus. He's a pretty seasoned traveller and he's constantly rolling his eyes at the behaviour, these people dont even explore where they are, they just want the selfie for likes.

Its pretty sad really. When I backpacked across Asia/South America Id say 99% of the photos I took were of solely of scenery because why would I want to ruin a picture of a beautiful beach with my mug in it. Nowadays it seems people have to ruin a good photo by putting themselves in it.

The most bonkers thing I saw in Lisbon was an incredibly long line of people standing unsheltered in the August midday sun waiting for a pastel de nata in Belém. Guaranteed a lot of those queuers were looking for their Instagram shot. They're yummy and all but it's just custard and pastry, lads. And that shop sells them throughout the city too. It's all just box-ticking.

Hubs and I passed on a few of the main attractions in Lisbon because the queues were insane and honestly, the city itself is really pretty. We had a great time rambling around and going up little, narrow side streets.

And before anyone says, I am very well aware that we were part of the problem. That holiday had a big affect on me. It made me think about how much travel I'm really entitled to and if crowding people's home cities is really justifiable.

Mortelaro

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I think it was mentioned already but I can see countries with similar levels of good control and similar R0 numbers opening back up to each other with no 14 day rule after



Australia and New Zealand are the biggest example of countries that will likely do this. What European countries might do it with each other?

Ireland and Greece maybe ?

otnomart

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Australia and New Zealand are the biggest example of countries that will likely do this. What European countries might do it with each other?

Germany is considering tourist corridors for cars going to Croatia, going via Czech Republic.
https://www.dw.com/en/czechs-float-corona-corridor-lifeline-for-croatian-tourism/a-53205961

The Baltics will open borders to each other https://koronastop.lrv.lt/en/news/prime-minister-skvernelis-borders-between-the-baltic-states-will-be-opened-for-the-baltic-citizens

and Lithuania will open to Poland https://koronastop.lrv.lt/en/news/prime-minister-skvernelis-movement-across-the-border-with-poland-will-be-eased

ShineOn7

Mortelaro wrote: »

Ireland and Greece maybe ?

Hopefully. It's near the top of my countries in Europe I haven't been to yet that I'd love to see

I'll be avoiding Spain and Italy for some time. Apart from Barcelona (which I've yet to see) I'm all Spain'd out anyway.

There's a lot more to Europe than just Spain, but unfortunately for many Irish it's the only European country they want to go to

Nijmegen

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm sure it will go back to normal but that's not to say cheap flights haven't absolutely ruined some places. My brother lives in Malta and all the beauty spots there are destroyed with overcrowding like St Peter's Pool and the Blue Lagoon. Cities like Barcelona and Lisbon are like a jam packed Disneyland nowadays, with locals not being able to afford to live in their own city due to everyone's apartment being on Airbnb. Sure I've been part of all these problems on the past but recent experiences have really put me off it, I don't want to be part of that. Holidays in places like Costa del Sol etc are actually probably the best for everyone as they are generally cheap and you're not putting out the locals by going there as that's what these places are built for.
You don't have to be some zealot or begrudger to point out the problems loads and loads of cheap flights cause.

The net result of this is going to be that only the well off will be able to take these sorts of vacations, at least in the near term. It might be good for the crowds at the blue lagoon but won’t do much for a sense of social solidarity and all that comes with the political populist fallout of same. Bread and circuses, as the Romans would tell you, are important for a peaceful society.

otnomart

Mortelaro wrote: »

Ireland and Greece maybe ?

Thing is, Greece has only 2600 cases, while Ireland has about 8.5 times that.
If Greece opens up, it will be for economic reasons and it will open up to the entire Schengen area, not favouring random individual non-neighbouring Countries.

Muahahaha

threeball wrote: »

43cm generally. Thats before the aircon blows it all over the shop as has been shown to be the case in numerous studies.

Yeah Id wonder about the possibility of a planes air con spreading the virus throughout the cabin. I would imagine there is HEPA filters on the air con system but they need to be sure thats enough to prevent it happening

snotboogie wrote: »

I've seen a few comments like this and I'm glad people are finally waking up to the seriousness of long term social distancing. Realistically no shared transport is possible, from public transport to planes,with social distancing in place.

Yeah and thing is its not just the breathing either. Even if everyone had the adequate 2 metres apart someone still coughs on their hand then it gets transmitted to all sort of surfaces on transport like the poles and handrails on buses, over head lockers or toilet handles on planes.

It seems theres a big push to get aviation going again and I expect them to do so. But Im under no illusion that it will mean more people get the virus. But then again perhaps that is part of Governments plan, to achieve herd immunity. Its just politicians cant say it out loud but ultimately they prefer that option to waiting 18 months for a vaccine, if it comes at all.

Dakota Dan

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

My thoughts;

- This isn’t going anywhere in even 6 months. Next March Covid will still be a thing. Many believe it’ll become part of the regular illnesses we have to avoid, like seasonal flu. All they can do now is suppress this

- There’s no vaccine for 18 months. So where does that leave the closed borders? As Covid becomes part of regular diseases, but without the crazy surge in numbers we’re seeing now, countries will have to decide what is more harmful to them - no tourists or the chance tourists will bring in a new wave of it

- I think the best we can hope for is borders opening back up but you’ll need to show your Covid vaccine cert to get into the country. Much like some countries ask for Zika and Yellow Fever certs

But this brings us back to no vaccine for 18 months and realistically I think it’ll be 2 years before it has any effect

So maybe some countries won’t open their borders for 24 months? Well, nothing would surprise me now. These are unprecedented times

Would love your feedback but PLEASE choose your website sources very carefully if linking them to support your thoughts. There’s so much misinformation ****e out there

Thanks

Not allowed to travel until you accept Bill's death jab.

alentejo

Regarding flying. I suspect that flying spread Covid from the likes of China and Italy to other countries. I have a hunch that the transmission might have been low on the actual flights....we might never know

Dakota Dan

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Hopefully less travel. I’ve been feeling less entitled to travel the last few years after being horrified at the overcrowding at popular tourist areas. And I was very well aware that I was part of the problem (many tourists don’t - they complain about others). Low cost air travel, low cost Airbnbs and cruise ships have made it all too casual and accessible.

I don’t think travel should just go back to being a rich person’s pursuit either though so it’s hard to know what the solution is.

What a strange post, do you want a pat on the back for being aware that you were part of the problem?

Spanish Eyes

Just thinking there (dangerous lol) that travel is just one of those things you do, and I did it in my youth, all over thankfully in the days before whatsapp and all the rest of it. Those were the days. Never had anything like the instant stuff we have today.

But I survived just the same. lol.

Often wonder how I did it back in the day, but I did.

Thelonious Monk

Nijmegen wrote: »

The net result of this is going to be that only the well off will be able to take these sorts of vacations, at least in the near term. It might be good for the crowds at the blue lagoon but won’t do much for a sense of social solidarity and all that comes with the political populist fallout of same. Bread and circuses, as the Romans would tell you, are important for a peaceful society.

Yeah well it's kind of only the rich that can take these vacations at the moment if you look at it globally. I mean where do we stop with travel and tourism? Do you think everyone in the world should be able to go anywhere?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Dakota Dan wrote: »

What a strange post, do you want a pat on the back for being aware that you were part of the problem?

My word, you’re very brittle. I’m outlining my stance and how I arrived at it. Why do you think that amounts to looking for “a pat on the back”? Should I not have elaborated on why I feel the way I do? Many, many people complain about tourists crowds without any acknowledgement that they are part of the problem.

Micky 32

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah Id wonder about the possibility of a planes air con spreading the virus throughout the cabin. I would imagine there is HEPA filters on the air con system but they need to be sure thats enough to prevent it happening

I don’t think I have heard any reports of cabin crew been struck down with the virus.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

I don’t think I have heard any reports of cabin crew been struck down with the virus.

Was about to post the same. You can be sure that an inquisitive journalist would have found multiple COVID positive flight crew at this stage, were the travel itself to be spreading infection. I’ve travelled a couple of times in the last 6 weeks and not all flight crew were wearing masks.....you can be sure they would have been, had the word spread that their colleagues were getting sick

Muahahaha

Micky 32 wrote: »

I don’t think I have heard any reports of cabin crew been struck down with the virus.

Was discussed a few pages back. I havent heard of it either but think the media in general are cautious about reporting that people have it by occupation. Its understandable too, they're under instruction not to cause panic

alentejo wrote: »

Regarding flying. I suspect that flying spread Covid from the likes of China and Italy to other countries. I have a hunch that the transmission might have been low on the actual flights....we might never know

Yeah I dont think we will ever know with any certainty. But we do know the virus is easily transmitted and perhaps in ways not even being discussed here. South Korea had a public bus case where they traced several infections back to one person on the bus. One infected was sitting six metres away from him but still got it, perhaps through touching infected poles/hand grips on the bus and then touching their mouth.

That was just a bus, an airplane with people in close quarters for lots of hours is a different kettle of fish. Aviation is really going to need some kind of instant testing at the airport so they know everyone on board is negative. Otherwise with contact tracing apps an airline runs the danger of newspaper headlines saying loads of passengers on a specific flight got infected. No airline wants to be associated with that kind of news, they would have widespread cancellations and future bookings would collapse overnight.

Airyfairy12

Travel has probably caused half the global problems between airB&B destroying the rental market, planes effecting global warming, travelling the world has become such a middle class pastime, theyre all doing it. Reduction of it, although unfortunate as people love their holidays, it cant be such a bad thing imo. We dont all need to travel the world or fly to 5 different holiday destinations once a year.
As for buses and trains, wouldnt suprise me if prices go up as a way of deterring people from using public transport, they will use any excuse to put up prices.

1123heavy

Micky 32 wrote: »

I don’t think I have heard any reports of cabin crew been struck down with the virus.

Plenty of crew have died from this virus:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-airways-cabin-crew-boss-21849600

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-20/coronavirus-deaths-airline-industry-airplanes-flying

https://flyhigh.news/qatar-airways-captain-dies-of-complications-of-covid-19/

Crew aren't immune!

otnomart

alentejo wrote: »

Regarding flying. I suspect that flying spread Covid from the likes of China and Italy to other countries. I have a hunch that the transmission might have been low on the actual flights....we might never know

So far we only know that the first case in Europe was in France and he was sick around the 27 December.
He had no travel history to China, however his wife worked in a supermarket close to the airport.
Source:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/french-hospital-discovers-covid-19-case-december-retested
and

https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/j-avais-des-douleurs-au-thorax-le-patient-infecte-par-le-coronavirus-en-decembre-temoigne-1907944.html

opinionated3

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Travel has probably caused half the global problems between airB&B destroying the rental market, planes effecting global warming, travelling the world has become such a middle class pastime, theyre all doing it. Reduction of it, although unfortunate as people love their holidays, it cant be such a bad thing imo. We dont all need to travel the world or fly to 5 different holiday destinations once a year.
As for buses and trains, wouldnt suprise me if prices go up as a way of deterring people from using public transport, they will use any excuse to put up prices.

What do you suggest Irish people do for their well earned break from work so if they can't go to Portugal or Spain like they used to? I go on one holiday a year with my wife. I don't believe that could be construed as causing half the global problems. I'm not taking the chance of going to ballybunion to sit in a mobile home on the pissing rain when I could be on a sun soaked beach in the Algarve.

maestroamado

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Travel has probably caused half the global problems between airB&B destroying the rental market, planes effecting global warming, travelling the world has become such a middle class pastime, theyre all doing it. Reduction of it, although unfortunate as people love their holidays, it cant be such a bad thing imo. We dont all need to travel the world or fly to 5 different holiday destinations once a year.
As for buses and trains, wouldnt suprise me if prices go up as a way of deterring people from using public transport, they will use any excuse to put up prices.

I kinda agree with you but we need to look at transport across the board.
I think we should be looking at rail as well as if we had good rail network all of Leinster be within working distance from Dublin, it be possible to live in Longford and work inn Dublin.
Flights are too cheap ii winter and maybe a tarriff on these flights be ok, i think people who want to have a beach holiday with the family in summer ok as it uplifts people.
I also agree about the accommodation but that's going to change i expect after this.
Interesting times ahead....

snotboogie

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Travel has probably caused half the global problems between airB&B destroying the rental market, planes effecting global warming, travelling the world has become such a middle class pastime, theyre all doing it. Reduction of it, although unfortunate as people love their holidays, it cant be such a bad thing imo. We dont all need to travel the world or fly to 5 different holiday destinations once a year.
As for buses and trains, wouldnt suprise me if prices go up as a way of deterring people from using public transport, they will use any excuse to put up prices.

Travel has caused half of the global problems??? As has been pointed out over and over on this thread, commercial air travel has a minor effect on harmful emissions. People are acting like air travel is the driving force behind climate change, it isn't. Air travel has ever been cheaper, it's hardly a middle class pastime when you can get flights for 30 euro.

threeball

snotboogie wrote: »

Travel has caused half of the global problems??? As has been pointed out over and over on this thread, commercial air travel has a minor effect on harmful emissions. People are acting like air travel is the driving force behind climate change, it isn't. Air travel has ever been cheaper, it's hardly a middle class pastime when you can get flights for 30 euro.

Its a totally frivolous waste of resources. An easy way to reduce unnecessary emissions whilst having the benefit of reducing the ability of viruses such as this to spread. There is no justification for someone to take 6 city breaks a year bar self indulgence. No need to fly across a continent for a 1 hour or half day business meeting. Unless you are physically inspecting a product there is nothing you can't do on Skype, Teams or Zoom bar going for pints with someone you don't know in order to do business. In my experience they don't want to spend their evening with you anyway, they'd rather spend it with their family and you both run out of small talk by the time the dinner is over. I've used all those platforms alot of the last 5 weeks and have got through a serious amount that would have taken weeks just to arrange schedules to align and then the cost and hassle of travel.

threeball

maestroamado wrote: »

I kinda agree with you but we need to look at transport across the board.
I think we should be looking at rail as well as if we had good rail network all of Leinster be within working distance from Dublin, it be possible to live in Longford and work inn Dublin.
Flights are too cheap ii winter and maybe a tarriff on these flights be ok, i think people who want to have a beach holiday with the family in summer ok as it uplifts people.
I also agree about the accommodation but that's going to change i expect after this.
Interesting times ahead....

The best option here is to have an airmiles allowance. Once you use yours up you need to buy them off someone who won't be using theirs. You still get your holidays but a business that wants to fly people all over the place just to meet and great has to pay for the privilege.