In your opinion, what does the future of Travel look like?

Masala

billyhead wrote: »

I think flights will open up again mid Summer and they will bring in temperature checks at the airports. I know ��at least it's something.

On the way OUT or on arrival??? Wouldn't fancy arguing same at some spanish airport on arrival and then told to self-isolate in your accommodation for 2 weeks. Rather get turned away here at home... at least I can go home to my own bed!.

BUT... how would that work the other way around??? Get checked at Alicante on way home and found to have a temperature.... stuck in Spain at own expense for 2 week??? Thats a hard one.

Snow Garden

MaureensFry wrote: »

Scare mongering at its finest. Once the hospital's can cope with new outbreaks everything will go back to normal.

Unfortunately not a great time to be elderly or with an underlying medical condition.

Travel will return to normal soon. End of August or so all travel will resume.

It's not scare mongering. It is rational thinking. I think you completely missed the point for some reason.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19
I was simply questioning how a 'vaccine passport' would work considering Covid19 and all it's strains will become as common (but more deadly) as flu in the future but we never needed a 'vaccine passport' for the flu.

Travel will not return to normal in August. For a start many airlines will go out of business because tourist numbers will fall off a cliff. We had 11.2 million visitors last year, what's your 'normal' prediction? There will be less airlines and higher prices going forward.

Thelonious Monk

No one will have money to travel so I would imagine many routes may not be viable for flights any more. It depends how the next few months pan out.

MaureensFry

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one will have money to travel so I would imagine many routes may not be viable for flights any more. It depends how the next few months pan out.

Plenty of people with money for travel, You don't have to use Aer Lingus or Ryan Air.

Snow Garden

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one will have money to travel so I would imagine many routes may not be viable for flights any more. It depends how the next few months pan out.

Correct. The Americans are easily 'spooked' and will not travel to Europe for some time relative to 2019 numbers. It could take years to return to peak levels. The Italians, French, British, Spanish and Germans will be picking up the pieces for the rest of the year and will see a dramatic decline in travel abroad for some time. All airlines and routes will struggle in addition to other sectors (hotel, restaurants, car hire etc). Business travel is also shot and companies will be reluctant to spend scarce money on business travel when this is over.

If the pandemic continues for several more months, the World Travel and Tourism Council, the trade group representing major global travel companies, projects a global loss of 75 million jobs and $2.1 trillion in revenue.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/2020/04/how-coronavirus-is-impacting-the-travel-industry/

MaureensFry

Snow Garden wrote: »

Correct. The Americans are easily 'spooked' and will not travel to Europe for some time relative to 2019 numbers. It could take years to return to peak levels. The Italians, French, British, Spanish and Germans will be picking up the pieces for the rest of the year and will see a dramatic decline in travel abroad for some time. All airlines and routes will struggle in addition to other sectors (hotel, restaurants, car hire etc). Business travel is also shot and companies will be reluctant to spend money on business travel when this is over.



https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/2020/04/how-coronavirus-is-impacting-the-travel-industry/

The Americans are easily spooked? What kind of nonsense is this?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders-protests-economy

Once the restrictions are lifted travel will resume as normal. As soon as countries numbers drops and can be contained by hospitals travel will resume as normal. To be talking years is just scaremongering, it will take months. Americans are still travelling across the USA like nothing has happened and out of the country.

PhilOssophy

Naked Lepper wrote: »

have you ever travelled with lufthansa to frankfurt? guaranteed to 'get a minibus half way out the tarmac'

Beat me to it, have experienced that more than once. You would think by the way people talk about Lufthansa and such airlines that you get a foot rub off the cabin crew!

Akabusi

There is going to be less choice and what is left will cost alot more. My job involves weekly travel all over Europe, I can see major headaches in getting to remote sites when we get over this thing. On the plus side the ques at the airports should be less.

ShineOn7

MaureensFry wrote: »

Travel will return to normal soon. End of August or so all travel will resume.

Whatever keeps you happy to keep telling yourself

Spanish Eyes

Social distancing on a plane pre vaccine will be so easy won't it? Or very expensive if you have three seats to yourself and no one behind or before you.:P

Many will not be worried, but many will be. Same goes for socialising in your destination. Think about it.

Snow Garden

MaureensFry wrote: »

The Americans are easily spooked? What kind of nonsense is this?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders-protests-economy

Once the restrictions are lifted travel will resume as normal. As soon as countries numbers drops and can be contained by hospitals travel will resume as normal. To be talking years is just scaremongering, it will take months. Americans are still travelling across the USA like nothing has happened and out of the country.

Again you missed the point. If you think Americans will travel to Europe or Ireland in 2020 or 2021 in the same numbers as they did in 2019, then you are very deluded. It's basic economics. By spooked, I alluded to their confidence levels both economically and in terms of their historic periods of isolationism brought on by an acute sense of vulnerability (Cold War, Sept 11, 2008 Recession etc).

Americans are still travelling across the USA like nothing has happened and out of the country

If you say so.

PhilOssophy

America will be lucky if they are able to travel anywhere by the end of the year. It is the new hotbed of Covid19 so they will be going nowhere any time soon.

MaureensFry

Snow Garden wrote: »

Again you missed the point. If you think Americans will travel to Europe or Ireland in 2020 or 2021 in the same numbers as they did in 2019, then you are very deluded. It's basic economics. By spooked, I alluded to their confidence levels both economically and in terms of their historic periods of isolationism brought on by an acute sense of vulnerability (Cold War, Sept 11, 2008 Recession etc).

If you say so.

If I say so? You do realize the population of the united states is 330 million right?I live in the States so no exactly what is going on. Have a look at flghtraders website. See below which i just snipped now. You have absolutely no clue about the States whatsoever. The wealthy will continue to travel. There is huge line between poverty and wealth in the states. People with money will continue to travel. Obviously it won't be the same number as this year but I wouldnt even see a 20% reduction.



Heres a nice article to read to give ye some perspective and below is flightradar right now instead of scaremongering.
https://www.talktomira.com/post/when-will-coronavirus-peak-and-end-social-distancing

Hubertj

Snow Garden wrote: »

Again you missed the point. If you think Americans will travel to Europe or Ireland in 2020 or 2021 in the same numbers as they did in 2019, then you are very deluded. It's basic economics. By spooked, I alluded to their confidence levels both economically and in terms of their historic periods of isolationism brought on by an acute sense of vulnerability (Cold War, Sept 11, 2008 Recession etc).



If you say so.

Americans will fly wherever they are allowed to go. They will get on cruise ships as soon as they can. I think bigger challenge will be when they will be allowed into places like UK Italy Spain Germany japan Ireland which are all top 10 destinations after Mexico and Canada.
I think it will be H2 2022 before we see passenger numbers approaching 2019 levels..

Eric Cartman

Naked Lepper wrote: »

have you ever travelled with lufthansa to frankfurt? guaranteed to 'get a minibus half way out the tarmac'

To munich its all civilised human tunnels. Are all the frankfurt flights the shabby bus

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Snow Garden wrote: »

Correct. The Americans are easily 'spooked' and will not travel to Europe for some time relative to 2019 numbers. It could take years to return to peak levels. The Italians, French, British, Spanish and Germans will be picking up the pieces for the rest of the year and will see a dramatic decline in travel abroad for some time. All airlines and routes will struggle in addition to other sectors (hotel, restaurants, car hire etc). Business travel is also shot and companies will be reluctant to spend scarce money on business travel when this is over.



https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/2020/04/how-coronavirus-is-impacting-the-travel-industry/

Which was why there was a big increase in road accident fatalities there in the aftermath of the September 11th attacks that lasted something like five years.

Snow Garden

MaureensFry wrote: »

If I say so? You do realize the population of the united states is 330 million right?I live in the States so no exactly what is going on. Have a look at flghtraders website. See below which i just snipped now. You have absolutely no clue about the States whatsoever. The wealthy will continue to travel. There is huge line between poverty and wealth in the states. People with money will continue to travel. Obviously it won't be the same number as this year but I wouldnt even see a 20% reduction.



Heres a nice article to read to give ye some perspective and below is flightradar right now instead of scaremongering.
https://www.talktomira.com/post/when-will-coronavirus-peak-and-end-social-distancing

You really are all over the place.

Let's keep it simple.

Q1. Do you think there will be as many American tourists travelling abroad in H2 2020 as there was in H2 2019?
Q2. Do you think there will be as many American tourists travelling abroad in H1 2021 as there was in H1 2019?


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pandemic-has-set-the-number-of-air-travellers-back-decades-11970825

The number of people travelling through US airports this week has fallen to levels not seen since the 1950s, due to the coronavirus lockdown restrictions.

A total of 97,130 people passed through security checkpoints in US airports on Tuesday, according to figures released by the Transportation Security Administration.

This represents a fall of 95% on a year ago, with people deciding not to travel while the coronavirus pandemic takes hold in the country.

Snow Garden

MaureensFry wrote: »

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders-protests-economy

Americans are still travelling across the USA like nothing has happened and out of the country.

Really?

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pandemic-has-set-the-number-of-air-travellers-back-decades-11970825

The number of people travelling through US airports this week has fallen to levels not seen since the 1950s, due to the coronavirus lockdown restrictions.

A total of 97,130 people passed through security checkpoints in US airports on Tuesday, according to figures released by the Transportation Security Administration.

This represents a fall of 95% on a year ago, with people deciding not to travel while the coronavirus pandemic takes hold in the country.

The last time the country averaged 97,000 passengers was 1954 and that number has risen every year since.

PhilOssophy

MaureensFry wrote: »

No thanks I'll travel where I want and when I want. Nothing better than taking a Friday and Monday off work for a get away in Europe.
Do this multiple times a year along with a nice two week Sun holiday in the Summer. Restrict my travel and I'd leave Ireland.

MaureensFry wrote: »

If I say so? You do realize the population of the united states is 330 million right?I live in the States so no exactly what is going on.

Fair play, moving to the states from Ireland since 02:56am this morning.

Snow Garden

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Fair play, moving to the states from Ireland since 02:56am this morning.

I think Maureen has left the building and with good cause.

Stateofyou

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Fair play, moving to the states from Ireland since 02:56am this morning.

Ha ha, wtf?! :rolleyes:

Naked Lepper

Eric Cartman wrote: »

To munich its all civilised human tunnels. Are all the frankfurt flights the shabby bus

yep, unfortunately!

Eric Cartman

Naked Lepper wrote: »

yep, unfortunately!

well thats off my list. Paying for a plane , not a f*cking bus.

Muahahaha

Id say half the problem with travel opening back up proper is going to be the travel insurance issue. I just cant see any insurance policy covering you getting hospitalised because you caught a virus that everyone knows is about.

Who is going to take a risk travelling to somewhere like Florida where a two week stay in hospital could end up costing you $50,000? If you cant get insurance cover for it then it is a huge risk, if you can get cover for it then the policy is going to cost you an arm and a leg anyway. Insurance companies are not going to risk going bust off the back of foreign hospital charges that can quickly run into huge sums just for one patient.

ShineOn7

Muahahaha wrote: »

Id say half the problem with travel opening back up proper is going to be the travel insurance issue.

Agreed

Travel Insurance companies won't offer to insure against Covid, or if they do it'll be a a huge add on premium

Two of the biggest long term travel insurers refused to cover Covid cases after March 16th, even if the policy holder took it out before then

Whenever travel opens back up again it'll be at our own risk against Covid, or at an add on premium that it'll make the holiday or travel simply not worth it.

As mentioned, this will make travel to the USA and Canada extremely difficult or risky for a long time as normally (even before Covid) getting cover for these two countries was always an extra on a travel insurance policy

scamalert

i see that ryanair has open flights to canaries for mid May, given that most economics revolve around tourism there cant see how such places would fare with any long term closures, as surely 100s people flying each day will pose risk for long time

Salty

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I think no matter what happens we're adding an hour to check-in durations. So for International it could be 4 hours before departure time

More time for pints and a burger :pac:

_Brian

There’s been far too much cheap recreational travel anyway. It’s interesting when we stopped jamming the skies with planes the air pollution had plummeted.

There should be a massive tax on flights after this, €100 a ticket would Be a good start.

opinionated3

_Brian wrote: »

There’s been far too much cheap recreational travel anyway. It’s interesting when we stopped jamming the skies with planes the air pollution had plummeted.

There should be a massive tax on flights after this, €100 a ticket would Be a good start.

Ridiculous. How many jobs would that cost in the long run? You do realise that aviation only accounts for 2% of "pollution" .

TomSweeney

Holidays will become more local for a while, and maybe thats a good thing.

Allready looking to rail it up to Norway in 2021, will be an adventure at least.

ShineOn7

Amazing news for those of us passionate about Travel. I hope this is emulated by every major airline

Emirates Airline Begins Conducting Rapid COVID-19 Tests For Boarding Passengers

"In a move that could be a step toward making air travel palatable to the public again, Emirates Airline has begun conducing rapid-on site COVID-19 for passengers.

The testing began with passengers on a flight from Dubai to Tunisia on Wednesday. The analysis is a blood test with results within 10 minutes. The airline says it is the first to roll out rapid testing"

I don't think we're allowed paste full articles? It's all worth a read though

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/15/834999076/emirates-airlines-begins-conducting-rapid-covid-19-tests-for-boarding-passengers

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-becomes-first-airline-to-conduct-on-site-rapid-covid-19-tests-for-passengers/


This has been discussed as a future hope for some of us in Facebook travel groups and this is a major step

For me, the question remains though; what happens if you test positive at an airport test? What happens the money you spent in advance on a flight and accommodation?

Will you get refunds for both? Will new consumer legislation come in to protect you if you test positive at an airport test? Or, will you have to book at your own risk and risk losing hundreds or maybe thousands or euros?

TomSweeney

Id imagine you take that risk when you buy a ticket, it is a good step though...

How is an airline capable of 10 minute tests but no country in the world is? Seems unlikely

ShineOn7

AdamD wrote: »

How is an airline capable of 10 minute tests but no country in the world is? Seems unlikely

Because they don't fúck about in the UAE (let's not get into their Human Rights issues etc, its a different thread)

See how full and competent Dubai's lockdown has been for example. It's a proper, proper lockdown

Whereas Ireland and many others have a "lockdown"

If you click into the articles you'll see pictures of the airport tests. Here's one;

Spanish Eyes

Re Emirates, I thought it was a swab test for the virus whereas blood test for antibody. I’m dubious.

ShineOn7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Because they don't fúck about in the UAE (let's not get into their Human Rights issues etc, its a different thread)

See how full and competent Dubai's lockdown has been for example. It's a proper, proper lockdown

Whereas Ireland and many others have a "lockdown"

If you click into the articles you'll see pictures of the airport tests. Here's one;

This doesn't answer the question at all. Do you seriously believe Emirates has a 10 minute test but the richest countries in the world don't?

ShineOn7

AdamD wrote: »

This doesn't answer the question at all. Do you seriously believe Emirates has a 10 minute test but the richest countries in the world don't?

I'm just passing on what many credible sites are reporting and there's pictures to back it up

Maybe the countries can do the 10 minute tests, but only on a small scale. Like Emirates did this week

Thelonious Monk

opinionated3 wrote: »

Ridiculous. How many jobs would that cost in the long run? You do realise that aviation only accounts for 2% of "pollution" .

This "pollution" is significant because as little as between 5 and 10 percent of the global population fly in a given year.

PhilOssophy

Excellent, get a test before a flight and get Covid19 there! Flawless plan.

ShineOn7

_Brian wrote: »

There’s been far too much cheap recreational travel anyway. It’s interesting when we stopped jamming the skies with planes the air pollution had plummeted.

There should be a massive tax on flights after this, €100 a ticket would Be a good start.

ShineOn7

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Excellent, get a test before a flight and get Covid19 there! Flawless plan.

At what point do you suggest the world tries to get back to a semblance of normality?

2030?

2035?

PhilOssophy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

At what point do you suggest the world tries to get back to a semblance of normality?

2030?

2035?

Well getting over the other side of the bell curve would be a good start. What are you proposing, just go back to normal and let thousands die like Trump tried to do when he called this a hoax and fake news a few months ago?

ShineOn7

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Well getting over the other side of the bell curve would be a good start. What are you proposing, just go back to normal and let thousands die like Trump tried to do when he called this a hoax and fake news a few months ago?

Of course not. I've said on here before that Spain are off their trolley if they think they'll be safely back open by May for tourists.

But you can't shut down the tourism industry in every country till a vaccine gets here (in 18 months apparently?) either. Getting tested at airports is a step in the right direction at least

PhilOssophy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Of course not. I've said on here before that Spain are off their trolley if they think they'll be safely back open by May for tourists.

But you can't shut down the tourism industry in every country till a vaccine gets here (in 18 months apparently?) either. Getting tested at airports is a step in the right direction at least

Its a step to help airlines get into the air again. That is all it is helping. Unfortunately, like it or lump it tourism everywhere is closed until there is a vaccine or until the numbers are very low, which certainly won't happen any time soon.

Stateofyou

The hotels and restaurants would have to reopen if people are traveling for tourism again. How would that work? I wouldn't risk it and I love traveling. The worst would be to fall sick while abroad. Even if travel were to be technically allowed some time soon, my family and I will be waiting until this thing is well tackled. :-/

Muahahaha

Stateofyou wrote: »

The hotels and restaurants would have to reopen if people are traveling for tourism again. How would that work? I wouldn't risk it and I love traveling. The worst would be to fall sick while abroad. Even if travel were to be technically allowed some time soon, my family and I will be waiting until this thing is well tackled. :-/

Id say hotels and restuarants reopening will be coming with new regulations on social distancing, restaurants will have to block off 50% of their seats, that kind of thing. Pubs could be harder though as people get drunk and are messy, rules go out the window.

Getting sick abroad is not an attractive prospect for many people and even if they re-open people thinking of travelling are going to have this on their mind. Insurance wont cover you which is another huge roadblock.

Ultimately I dont think things will get back to a proper normal until we have a working vaccine which removes the possibility of transferring the virus. While everyone remains vulnerable people will exercise caution on what they do and where they go.

completedit

Start small

Realistically, travel to places outside or Europe is pretty much a non runner for the majority for next few years.

I reckon by the time tourism is back to normal, cities around the world will have got over their tourist revenues and decide to adopt more sustainable economic and environmental models. Look at Amsterdam. They’ll probably look to ween themselves off tourism. Will be good for Europeans as we will be able to enjoy the cities inside our own continent in a way we haven’t been able to.

ShineOn7

Muahahaha wrote: »

restaurants will have to block off 50% of their seats

I've heard and read more than once that many restaurants need 40% of their seats covered by customers just to break even

completedit

The hospitality sector is screwed until a vaccine is found. The damage of this will become apparent moreso when the numbness subsides. No idea what they will do. Strange times.

Stateofyou

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I've heard and read more than once that many restaurants need 40% of their seats covered by customers just to break even

Did you happen to read anything about sustainability through takeaway? Hopefully that is a viable option.