In your opinion, what does the future of Travel look like?

wakka12

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I thought it referred to the much debunked "Commercial flights are responsible for 108% of the pollution!1!" type posts

I think the Greta fans need to start their own thread and all virtually high five each other there. This thread is for Travel enthusiasts who can't wait to wander again

Well I have to say I was very surprised to learn that aviation industry only accounts for 2-3% of global carbon emissions. Wonder why it is the focus of so much of the blame in the climate discussions given that.

But regardless I still think there are many other issues associated with concentrated mass tourism in natural sites and historical cities. But if you are a reponsible tourist I'm sure you can easily avoid adding to the impact of those issues.

timsey tiger

wakka12 wrote: »

But regardless I still think there are many other issues associated with concentrated mass tourism in natural sites and historical cities. But if you are a reponsible tourist I'm sure you can easily avoid adding to the impact of those issues.

But being a responsible tourist, might mean staying at home then not a tourist at all.

If numbers at the tourist location are higher than the location can sustain without damage.

TomSweeney

Will the Skelligs be taking visitors this summer/autumn ?

PhilOssophy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I presumed it referred to the much debunked "Commercial flights are responsible for 108% of the pollution!1!" type posts

I think the Greta fans need to start their own thread and all virtually high five each other there. This thread is for Travel enthusiasts who can't wait to wander again

No, I think you will find the title of the thread is "In your opinion, what does the future of Travel look like?"

Dr. Bre

Michael OLeary says Ryanair wont fly if social distancing has to occur on flights. He said keeping the middle seat vacant won’t matter

TomSweeney

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Michael OLeary says Ryanair wont fly if social distancing has to occur on flights. He said keeping the middle seat vacant won’t matter

Beginning to think Ryanair could go under

Dagon

Regarding travel, quick guesstimate on travel into mainland EU...

So my other half (who lives here in the sticks with myself) is from Germany, and her bro is getting married towards the end of July in Germany. Seems like they're happy to go ahead with the wedding for now. Germany is already lifting some restrictions so my mid-July I guess it's not impossible that their admittedly very small wedding and family gathering will go ahead.

Question: Do ye will my other half be able to fly over from Ireland for this wedding by then? She's hoping to head off early July and stay into August.

I know the answer is probably "no idea, wait and see".... but wild guesses are welcome

Thelonious Monk

wakka12 wrote: »

Well I have to say I was very surprised to learn that aviation industry only accounts for 2-3% of global carbon emissions. Wonder why it is the focus of so much of the blame in the climate discussions given that.

It's an extremely heavy polluter. Other reports have it up to 10% of carbon emissions.
The thing is, only a small percentage of the population will ever fly, so on that basis it's one of the biggest polluters there is and if we continue to grow it exponentially it will be far far worse.

ZX7R

TomSweeney wrote: »

Beginning to think Ryanair could go under

It's Michael O leary
There's no bad publicity for him.
Ryanair share holders will want the plans flying no matter what.

Gael23

ZX7R wrote: »

It's Michael O leary
There's no bad publicity for him.
Ryanair share holders will want the plans flying no matter what.

They will but a if he attempts to impose a 33% fare increase to make up for lost capacity then he’s in trouble as the law of diminishing returns kicks in.

Very rocky times ahead for low cost carriers

Hubertj

TomSweeney wrote: »

Beginning to think Ryanair could go under

no chance of that.... they will be 1 of the last remaining.... very strong balance sheet and cash reserves..... they could end up getting hold of transatlantic fleet on the cheap the way things are going....

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Hopefully this is the death of Airbnb. It baffles me how it even took off in the first place, I can't imagine anything more bizarre than going on holidays to somebody's house/ flat.

You obviously haven't done AirBnb then. Went to Crete, rented a whole house - no owner in sight, keys in a lockbox in a central part of town. Was able to cook, sleep, enjoy having a homely massive place for cheaper than a hotel. Didn't have to deal with receptionists, other people.

Had the same in Prague. Got there, had whole apartment to ourselves. Nobody else lives there, lol. It's just a property. Had a kitchen, in case you want to cook meals - which we did, breakfast and lunch and ate out at night. Saves money and you get to experience blending in living and experiencing the city as a local

Thelonious Monk

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

Saves money and you get to experience blending in living and experiencing the city as a local

While pushing the locals out of the city. Locals can't live in city centres in the likes of Lisbon and Venice any more because of Airbnb.

snotboogie

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's an extremely heavy polluter. Other reports have it up to 10% of carbon emissions.
The thing is, only a small percentage of the population will ever fly, so on that basis it's one of the biggest polluters there is and if we continue to grow it exponentially it will be far far worse.

You keep saying 10% but have never provided a source for it. Even the most vocal critics of the airline industry put it at 2.5%. Planes are getting more fuel efficient and one would hope the likes of the US will improve their rail infrastructure to cut down on the need for flights, US domestic flights are the major global polluter. We have no such option in Ireland and the sort of reductions to air travel you are cheerleading would destroy our connectivity and economy.

Thelonious Monk

snotboogie wrote: »

You keep saying 10% but have never provided a source for it. Even the most vocal critics of the airline industry put it at 2.5%. Planes are getting more fuel efficient and one would hope the likes of the US will improve their rail infrastructure to cut down on the need for flights, US domestic flights are the major global polluter. We have no such option in Ireland and the sort of reductions to air travel you are cheerleading would destroy our connectivity and economy.

I didn't realise i was cheerleading anything

snotboogie

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I didn't realise i was cheerleading anything

No source for the 10% so?

Thelonious Monk

snotboogie wrote: »

No source for the 10% so?

No, seems like 2.5% is the agreed figure.

Stateofyou

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

While pushing the locals out of the city. Locals can't live in city centres in the likes of Lisbon and Venice any more because of Airbnb.

That's a good point. Why aren't cities putting a cap on amount of airbnb rentals that are allowed there?

PhilOssophy

snotboogie wrote: »

You keep saying 10% but have never provided a source for it. Even the most vocal critics of the airline industry put it at 2.5%. Planes are getting more fuel efficient and one would hope the likes of the US will improve their rail infrastructure to cut down on the need for flights, US domestic flights are the major global polluter. We have no such option in Ireland and the sort of reductions to air travel you are cheerleading would destroy our connectivity and economy.

People in the US know 2 ways of travel.
1. Car
2. Fly

I have known people from the US who fly from San Fran to Los Angeles. There is no way they will spend money on train infrastructure. Public transport is for the poor outside of a few major urban areas.

Anyway, once a thread is on to the 2nd lap of the same argument, its time to unfollow.

snotboogie

PhilOssophy wrote: »

People in the US know 2 ways of travel.
1. Car
2. Fly

I have known people from the US who fly from San Fran to Los Angeles. There is no way they will spend money on train infrastructure. Public transport is for the poor outside of a few major urban areas.

Anyway, once a thread is on to the 2nd lap of the same argument, its time to unfollow.

The LA to San Francisco high speed rail is under construction...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail eventually it will at reach out to San Diego, Sacramento and Las Vegas.

ShineOn7

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Anyway, once a thread is on to the 2nd lap of the same argument, its time to unfollow.

Bye bye now. If you see Greta tell her she needs a better actress coach

Stateofyou

PhilOssophy wrote: »

People in the US know 2 ways of travel.
1. Car
2. Fly

I have known people from the US who fly from San Fran to Los Angeles. There is no way they will spend money on train infrastructure. Public transport is for the poor outside of a few major urban areas.

Anyway, once a thread is on to the 2nd lap of the same argument, its time to unfollow.

Ehhhh, I'm not sure that's totally true? In my experience many people (including myself when I lived there) regularly took public transport. There are many reason's one takes public transport - to save and divert costs somewhere else, to allow them to catch up on emails or podcasts, because they hate driving/flying, to take a rest from road rager's ha. Etc. Some will always fly though, agreed with you there.

LiquidZeb

Hubertj wrote: »

no chance of that.... they will be 1 of the last remaining.... very strong balance sheet and cash reserves..... they could end up getting hold of transatlantic fleet on the cheap the way things are going....

And then in 2060 the robot containing Michael O'Leary's brain announces Ryanair are launching a low cost route between earth and Mars. It'll all come full circle.

ILoveYourVibes

Just like everything right now ..the future looks uncertain.

ShineOn7

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Just like everything right now ..the future looks uncertain.

That's incredibly helpful. Thanks

Sultan of Bling

ShineOn7 wrote:

That's incredibly helpful. Thanks

It is the truth in fairness.

Muahahaha

Dagon wrote: »

Regarding travel, quick guesstimate on travel into mainland EU...

So my other half (who lives here in the sticks with myself) is from Germany, and her bro is getting married towards the end of July in Germany. Seems like they're happy to go ahead with the wedding for now. Germany is already lifting some restrictions so my mid-July I guess it's not impossible that their admittedly very small wedding and family gathering will go ahead.

Question: Do ye will my other half be able to fly over from Ireland for this wedding by then? She's hoping to head off early July and stay into August.

I know the answer is probably "no idea, wait and see".... but wild guesses are welcome

Ive no ideas but if they are going to Germany or anywhere in the EU make sure to have a European Health Insurance Card (EHIC). They are free and it gives you access to public health care in any EU member state
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/travel_abroad/european_health_insurance_card.html

Hubertj wrote: »

no chance of that.... they will be 1 of the last remaining.... very strong balance sheet and cash reserves..... they could end up getting hold of transatlantic fleet on the cheap the way things are going....

Id say you are right, Ryanair will be eyeing up their competitors and as they drop they'll swoop in to take their routes. Flybe have already gone to the wall in he UK and they had the most domestic routes serving England, Scotland and Wales.

I wonder what kind of financial position Easyjet are in. If its anyway perilous Ryanair will be in there like a vulture. Though maybe the UK govt would bail out Easyjet if it came to it. Richard Branson is already looking for a £500m bailout from the UK govt for Virgin.

Muahahaha

PhilOssophy wrote: »

People in the US know 2 ways of travel.
1. Car
2. Fly

I have known people from the US who fly from San Fran to Los Angeles. There is no way they will spend money on train infrastructure. Public transport is for the poor outside of a few major urban areas.

Anyway, once a thread is on to the 2nd lap of the same argument, its time to unfollow.

The other side of it is in the US Boeing are a very powerful company. They employ 150,000 people and have a very strong lobby in Washington.

ShineOn7

Muahahaha wrote: »

The other side of it is in the US Boeing are a very powerful company. They employ 150,000 people and have a very strong lobby in Washington.

Definitely this

They've been always mentioned when talk turns to American bailouts

jd1983

I've been following this thread on and off over the last while. It's very difficult to have any certainty around anything given what's happened over the last 7 weeks. However my gut feeling has been that the consensus on this thread has been quite pessimistic. Earlier today I was reading the following report by WHO:

"Non-pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza"

They're suggesting that there's little evidence behind travel restrictions and to just use them as delay tactic for a limited period of time. With that in mind, I'd hope air travel within the EU would open up by the end of the summer. Domestic routes should open before then. What are people's thoughts on WHO's recommendations?

https://www.who.int/influenza/publications/public_health_measures/publication/en/

Hi all, I have a question for those who might have been following the news a little closer than me this weekend. If there has indeed been any update on this.....

Like many many Irish, I have family split across the islands. I have a mother, and her family in England, and a father in Ireland. I have kids in Ireland and sisters and nieces in England. I am both an Irish and British citizen.

I am looking forward so much to being able to meet my English family again.....over the summer some time. But mandatory and enforced 14 day quarantine is being talked about now, for arrivals to both Ireland and the UK. Has anyone seen any chat this weekend (from knowledgable sources) about whether it will apply to travel within the Common Travel Area. If so, I can kiss goodbye to seeing my family in person for the foreseeable future.

Given that arrivals into the UK from Ireland go through the domestic channel, and not through passport control, I can see Ireland not being included in the UK quarantine rules. But there is no such separation of travellers in Dublin airport

Muahahaha

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Definitely this

They've been always mentioned when talk turns to American bailouts

Without doubt Boeing are a very powerful company with direct access to Washington who threw money at them post 9/11 to save them from going under. Boeing are considered essential in the American economy. Theres also a long history of directors of Boeing going on to be special advisors to the White House and President for all things transport. I can only assume their special advise to whoever holds power is always 'build more planes'. That might change in the future though if Elon Musk can prove up his hyperloop, he is promising speeds of up to 1,200kph which would blow airlines out of the water. Its still a long way off though.

jd1983 wrote: »

They're suggesting that there's little evidence behind travel restrictions and to just use them as delay tactic for a limited period of time. With that in mind, I'd hope air travel within the EU would open up by the end of the summer. Domestic routes should open before then. What are people's thoughts on WHO's recommendations?

https://www.who.int/influenza/publications/public_health_measures/publication/en/

Not sure why they think there is no sense in travel restrictions when we know the virus went from China to Italy and then onwards to the rest of Europe and the US all carried by infected people.

In any case opening up for travel can only really come by instant testing of passengers at the airports of their departure. On top of that airlines would have to keep the middle seats free which would make things uneconomical for low cost carriers to be flying with 33% less capacity. Their model is predicated on flying with at least 90% capacity, Ryanair commonly achieve 100%.

maestroamado

The latest i hear is that middle seats be left free and large bags be in basement for €1....

Strazdas

Michael O'Leary makes the valid point that you cannot have social distancing on an airplane.

So either you ban all flights for 12-18 months (extremely unlikely) or you impose restrictions at airports instead.

Besides, there is very little evidence aircraft planes are Covid-19 hotbeds.....we've heard virtually nothing about hundreds or thousands of cabin crew falling ill with the virus, which should have happened had planes been the problem.

Gael23

Strazdas wrote: »

Michael O'Leary makes the valid point that you cannot have social distancing on an airplane.

So either you ban all flights for 12-18 months (extremely unlikely) or you impose restrictions at airports instead.

Besides, there is very little evidence aircraft planes are Covid-19 hotbeds.....we've heard virtually nothing about hundreds or thousands of cabin crew falling ill with the virus, which should have happened had planes been the problem.

How can you impose restrictions at airports that don’t make it pointless having them operational?

maestroamado

Strazdas wrote: »

Michael O'Leary makes the valid point that you cannot have social distancing on an airplane.

So either you ban all flights for 12-18 months (extremely unlikely) or you impose restrictions at airports instead.

Besides, there is very little evidence aircraft planes are Covid-19 hotbeds.....we've heard virtually nothing about hundreds or thousands of cabin crew falling ill with the virus, which should have happened had planes been the problem.

There are e a few occupations that are pretty well bullitt-proof when it comes to infection and Airline staff, nurses and a few others are top of list as exposed every day...

ShineOn7

maestroamado wrote: »

The latest i hear is that middle seats be left free and large bags be in basement for €1....

Wanna try that again?

ShineOn7

maestroamado wrote: »

There are e a few occupations that are pretty well bullitt-proof when it comes to infection and Airline staff, nurses and a few others are top of list as exposed every day...

What?!

HSE workers account for 25% of all Irish cases

This is your second post within 10 mins that has me baffled. Genuine question: have you been drinking?

IrishHomer

Future of travel flying was discussed on RTE radio 1 this morning.

The panel said travel won't be normal until after a vaccine comes and that's at least 12 months to 2 years away.

They said travel may involve wearing at least a face shield and possibly full body suit.

They said no long haul flight til next year

ShineOn7

IrishHomer wrote: »

Future of travel flying was discussed on RTE radio 1 this morning.

The panel said travel won't be normal until after a vaccine comes and that's at least 12 months to 2 years away.

They said travel may involve wearing at least a face shield and possibly full body suit.

They said no long haul flight til next year

Have you a time and I'll listen back on their media player?

Zero chance of people buying and then wearing a full body suit

IrishHomer

IrishHomer wrote: »

Future of travel flying was discussed on RTE radio 1 this morning.

The panel said travel won't be normal until after a vaccine comes and that's at least 12 months to 2 years away.

They said travel may involve wearing at least a face shield and possibly full body suit.

They said no long haul flight til next year

That’s a pretty unique viewpoint, and I’m not sure that they are not just trying to cause a stir. Most commentators predict that testing is what gets travel back up and running. Either get a test at arrivals and wait in a hotel for 24 hours for the result, or travel with a certificate from a test in the preceding 48 hours. Long haul flights are not going to be grounded for 2 years.....that is just nonsense

maestroamado

First of all you are very rude. one was reply and the other post if you understand.

The first one of your smart remarks relates to middle seats which has being stated in media print by CEO of Airline.
I know for fact that some Airlines are putting bags in hold for free or very small fee after flights resume.

The reason the Medical people are getting is they are the only ones exposed as everyone else in lockdown including Airline staff.
What i am saying about Airline staff well known fact.

Have another swig/puff of that stuff its good for your mind

stephenjmcd

IrishHomer wrote: »

Future of travel flying was discussed on RTE radio 1 this morning.

The panel said travel won't be normal until after a vaccine comes and that's at least 12 months to 2 years away.

They said travel may involve wearing at least a face shield and possibly full body suit.

They said no long haul flight til next year

What a load of nonsense from whoever was on that panel. Whenever borders reopen airlines will fly and I'll certainly start travelling again. We wont be waiting for a vaccine nor will anyone be wearing a body suit

Zetor19

Beach in the south of Spain by September ðŸ‘

IrishHomer

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Have you a time and I'll listen back on their media player?

Zero chance of people buying and then wearing a full body suit

It was on the Brendan O Connor show, sorry not sure of time I was working

ShineOn7

IrishHomer wrote: »

It was on the Brendan O Connor show, sorry not sure of time I was working

Good jaysus. I'll pass on listening to that, thanks

sReq | uTeK

jimmyrustle wrote: »

Hopefully this is the death of Airbnb. It baffles me how it even took off in the first place, I can't imagine anything more bizarre than going on holidays to somebody's house/ flat.

The MAJORITY of AirBNBs are businesses that are the exact same as renting out a villa or hotel with cleaning as an option. It's really no different than offering board with privinding your own food.

Why it took off is easy, it has none of the restrictions that the "norm" hospitality industry has which has been heavily regulated due to how long it's been around. Hence the cost is passed on to the consumer, as such for a fraction of the price of a 4 star hotel thaats pretty much 3 star advertised you can get a glorious apartment, in Barcelona.

Muahahaha

Strazdas wrote: »

Besides, there is very little evidence aircraft planes are Covid-19 hotbeds.....we've heard virtually nothing about hundreds or thousands of cabin crew falling ill with the virus, which should have happened had planes been the problem.

I think flights are down 95% so maybe thats why we are not hearing of cabin crew getting it. For those who are working there isnt many people flying anyway so social distancing isnt a problem.

Id also wonder about the inner workings of an airplanes air filtration system. Its a sealed tube and AFAIK the air is recirculating all the time. Not sure if that could carry the virus from passenger to passenger or if the filters would clean it out from the air before it gets pumped back in to the cabin again.

At the end of the day the solution has to be instant tests at the airport. Passengers will bear the cost. But when you think about it if you've 200 passengers who have tested negative right before departure then there should be no reason to have to close off all the middle seats.

IrishHomer wrote: »

They said travel may involve wearing at least a face shield and possibly full body suit.

lol people laughed at Naomi Campbell taking a flight a few weeks back. Campbell is the one laughing now

rajqo

I went through this 24 page thread and it is quite pessimistic..

I think Irish will still travel abroad in big numbers if allowed of course... nobody here likes pissing rain for 2 weeks in a row and 15°C in "summer", so escape from that got many used to it and they will still go to Spain etc..

Once the WHO will end up covid-19 as a pandemic, travel insurance will have to cover it - I would see even maybe some regulations about that issue from european union, it will raise the prices slightly.

Business travel will still use business class, car rental and 5 stars hotels. Zoom and Skype can't replace that handshake or business lunch together with potential business partner worth millions.

Wizzair - the largest eastern european airline already restarting some flights from 2nd of may and will come back to full operations from june and currently selling many routes for 10 euro one way just to get people flying again..

Face masks are protecting people from Coronavirus - see countries who have compulsory use of them and the numbers of cases. I would see that passengers in public transport and planes would need to have a face mask at least until pandemic is not over... type of mask like N95 would do well to filter the virus especially in a plane

Hope we see some less restrictions next month already

Strazdas

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think flights are down 95% so maybe thats why we are not hearing of cabin crew getting it. For those who are working there isnt many people flying anyway so social distancing isnt a problem.

Id also wonder about the inner workings of an airplanes air filtration system. Its a sealed tube and AFAIK the air is recirculating all the time. Not sure if that could carry the virus from passenger to passenger or if the filters would clean it out from the air before it gets pumped back in to the cabin again.

At the end of the day the solution has to be instant tests at the airport. Passengers will bear the cost. But when you think about it if you've 200 passengers who have tested negative right before departure then there should be no reason to have to close off all the middle seats.

lol people laughed at Naomi Campbell taking a flight a few weeks back. Campbell is the one laughing now

There were a lot of flights up until early March and yet very few, if any, reports of cabin crew contracting Covid-19. It may be that the way air is circulated inside the plane doesn't lend itself to transmission (which would be good news indeed in terms of flights resuming).