Garda Checks

RicketyCricket

Juicee wrote: »

That's absolutely false. don't know how you arrived at that. 2min video so people can check for themselves

How are you certain its absolutely false?

RicketyCricket

Juicee wrote: »

That's absolutely false. don't know how you arrived at that. 2min video so people can check for themselves

I've just had a look at your other posts on all threads and I'm annoyed with myself for taking the bait. But hey, it's probably made your night so there's my good deed for the day. G'luck.

Beholders

RicketyCricket wrote: »

Haha "you can't yell at journalists". Things are a lot more serious in the UK than here, I don't see a lot wrong with the police telling this knob to **** off home. He was looking for a reaction.

I think the police were perfectly within their rights to tell the journalist to go home, for starters he saw something that maybe a story and he chased after it, (first instinct of a journalist) but in fairness he has created a story about him being shot down as a civilian, examples "Go and exercise or go home" and the police stated his badge number and name. My point is that as a journalist or a documentary maker (which I am) your best resources is looking for questioning through reliable sources, content online and through telephone conversation with the content makers to make sure you are accurate (this is mainly done at home). why was the person arrested? Wasn't that the story he was chasing? Then he says I'm a journalist I've a right to be here, is it essential he was there, Nope. If he was a true Journalist he would have followed it up when he went home. He was actually in the wrong on this one and looking for a scoop.

RicketyCricket

Beholders wrote: »

I think the police were perfectly within their rights to tell the journalist to go home, for starters he saw something that maybe a story and he chased after it, (first instinct of a journalist) but in fairness he has created a story about him being shot down as a civilian, examples "Go and exercise or go home" and the police stated his badge number and name. My point is that as a journalist or a documentary maker (which I am) your best resources is looking for questioning through reliable sources, content online and through telephone conversation with the content makers to make sure you are accurate (this is mainly done at home). why was the person arrested? Wasn't that the story he was chasing? Then he says I'm a journalist I've a right to be here, is it essential he was there, Nope. If he was a true Journalist he would have followed it up when he went home. He was actually in the wrong on this one and looking for a scoop.

It does feel like there was more to video than was shown. It starts at a very convenient part, no context for why someone was being arrested and then just hangs around with the phone looking for someone to have a go at them. It's just another video edited to suit someones beliefs and get spread around to create aggression. As valuable the internet has been for information on this virus, it's full of idiots and sad sacks with nothing better to do than spread ****e.

Beholders

On a side note, I do actually think the Garda check points, here in Ireland have being very successful since last Wednesday, why because since everyone was saying the was a huge amount of people heading to the Holiday homes the roads where empty ( cause I checked the online cameras about once an hour) except for people needing to travel, or what I expect needed to travel, certainly the traffic was so low. I assume that way (there could have being a van pasted by with a baberque happening in it, but I won't know, as they where only getting the grill going and sure I wasn't even there) see how crazy it sounds, misinformation at this moment in time is a very dangerous thing.

So please be safe, if you get bored play cards against yourself ( like I do) but if you are saying something please back it up and not just hearsay, really facts can save lives, not gossip. Thank you

Strumms

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

The Gardai are also carrying people's shopping now too:



This is actually more of a communist action than looking in shopping bags. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

But you probably think she's being escorted to a gulag.

“Jaysus, thanks lads, fair play, but listen if this was a month ago you’d need another couple of yiz to carry all me cans, I’ve only two left at home and then I’m drinking the jayes fluid, I’d invite yiz in otherwise. Wait I have a few custard creams and enough tae to drown us all, and a drop of brandy, how about takin the weight off the streets, come in outta dat, look at the sweat rolling off a him, he’s probably not insured to be carry them and talking at the same time”

Samuri Suicide

Juicee wrote: »

I haven't seen any gards get as bad as some of their uk counterparts thankfully (at least not yet)

They are doing their job. Dealing with idiots is part of their job whether its pre/post corona.

You are an idiot for trying to give this sh!te traction/publicity.

Apply some brain power to the wider situation..

TheChizler

Beholders wrote: »

On a side note, I do actually think the Garda check points, here in Ireland have being very successful since last Wednesday, why because since everyone was saying the was a huge amount of people heading to the Holiday homes the roads where empty

That or bar a small number of people the whole story was over hyped fearmongering.

AndrewJRenko

RicketyCricket wrote: »

Haha "you can't yell at journalists". Things are a lot more serious in the UK than here, I don't see a lot wrong with the police telling this knob to **** off home. He was looking for a reaction.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

A, the clip didn't start where we see it starting. Why edited?

B, he is Clearly trying to provoke a reaction. Would he know the lady being arrested by any chance?

C, his job is irrelevant. Exercise or go home. Standing recording someone is not exercise

D, is the arrested person not entitled to some privacy instead of being recorded and uploaded to the net?

E, journalist? It's level Earth on YouTube. A nutjob channel.

Beholders wrote: »

Then he says I'm a journalist I've a right to be here, is it essential he was there, Nope. If he was a true Journalist he would have followed it up when he went home. He was actually in the wrong on this one and looking for a scoop.

Journalism is recognised as an essential service in the UK, so yes, he had a right to be there.

RicketyCricket wrote: »

It does feel like there was more to video than was shown. It starts at a very convenient part, no context for why someone was being arrested and then just hangs around with the phone looking for someone to have a go at them. It's just another video edited to suit someones beliefs and get spread around to create aggression. As valuable the internet has been for information on this virus, it's full of idiots and sad sacks with nothing better to do than spread ****e.

What does it matter why the person was arrested? He's videoing the activities of the police - whether they had good or no reason to arrest the person, they are subject to public scrutiny. What have the police got to fear by being videoed from a distance like this?

Yester

Juicee wrote: »

I haven't seen any gards get as bad as some of their uk counterparts thankfully (at least not yet)

The comments on that video are an interesting read. They make it sound like a war is coming.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Journalism is recognised as an essential service in the UK, so yes, he had a right to be there.



What does it matter why the person was arrested? He's videoing the activities of the police - whether they had good or no reason to arrest the person, they are subject to public scrutiny. What have the police got to fear by being videoed from a distance like this?

Except he's not a journalist is he? I would bet cold hard cash that he's not accredited.

Instead he provokes the police, probable with the arrested person so they can film The police response and upload it to the wacky channel.

The ppolice clearly feared nothing, they were visible, gave shoulder numbers and names and at no stage attempted to stop him filming or remove the phone.

Let's also be clear about something here, being in an essential service does not give you carte blanche to meander around the city. It gives you permission to travel to / from work and perform that job.

Tenzor07

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Let's also be clear about something here, being in an essential service does not give you carte blanche to meander around the city. It gives you permission to travel to / from work and perform that job.

I would hate to be the person who's boss gets a call from a Gard to say the employee was over in say Bray Co. Wicklow heading to the beach when they worked in Blanch and lived in Lucan! :eek:

AndrewJRenko

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Except he's not a journalist is he? I would bet cold hard cash that he's not accredited.

Instead he provokes the police, probable with the arrested person so they can film The police response and upload it to the wacky channel.

The ppolice clearly feared nothing, they were visible, gave shoulder numbers and names and at no stage attempted to stop him filming or remove the phone.

Let's also be clear about something here, being in an essential service does not give you carte blanche to meander around the city. It gives you permission to travel to / from work and perform that job.

How much of your cold hard cash would you like to hand over?

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/michael-segalov

Filming the police IS doing his job - he was doing his job by filming the police. Of course they attempted to stop him filming the incident - they bullied him away.

tayto lover

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How much of your cold hard cash would you like to hand over?

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/michael-segalov

Filming the police IS doing his job - he was doing his job by filming the police. Of course they attempted to stop him filming the incident - they bullied him away.

Can he film a suspect being arrested without their consent?
I doubt it and I also doubt he can film them in such an uncompromising situation especially if no charges were preferred as it could damage their reputation.

I think he was overstepping the mark.

Elmer Blooker

Juicee wrote: »

I haven't seen any gards get as bad as some of their uk counterparts thankfully (at least not yet)

Interesting to note that when crowds gathered on Westminster Bridge last night to applaud health workers there was no social distancing whatsoever and certainly no 2m rule observed. The police looked on.
It seems that those who applaud health workers cannot pass on this virus as they have immunity! :rolleyes:

pablo128

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Interesting to note that when crowds gathered on Westminster Bridge last night to applaud health workers there was no social distancing whatsoever and certainly no 2m rule observed. The police looked on.
It seems that those who applaud health workers cannot pass on this virus as they have immunity! :rolleyes:

And then they wonder why the virus is raging through their country.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/5329892/uk-coronavirus-cases-frightening-europe/

Gregor Samsa

tayto lover wrote: »

Can he film a suspect being arrested without their consent?

You can film anything you want in a public place. You don't need anyone's consent to do so. Someone being arrested doesn't change this. You would need their consent if you were to use the video for commercial purposes.

If he were to claim in the video that they had done something that they hadn't, and then published the video, then Defamation law could come into play. But passively documenting the fact of their arrest can't in itself defame someone, beacue the arrest clearly happened.

mdudy

tayto lover wrote: »

Can he film a suspect being arrested without their consent?
I doubt it and I also doubt he can film them in such an uncompromising situation especially if no charges were preferred as it could damage their reputation.

I think he was overstepping the mark.

Your doubts are wrong. Equip yourself with facts, not opinion.

road_high

So I take it the Garda overtime checks are still in full swing? Interesting to see how much will have been blown on these once they end, all money we don’t have. As nursing homes struggled to get ppe

road_high

road_high wrote: »

So I take it the Garda overtime checks are still in full swing? Interesting to see how much will have been blown on these once they end, all money we don’t have. As nursing homes struggled to get ppe

well you take it wrong.
Garda shifts have changed during this, they used to work 6 days on, 4 days off, 10 hour shifts.
now they work 4 days & nights on, 4 days off, 12 hour shifts.
they are receiving 8 hours overtime per 4 weeks worked, (that's 2 hours per week) to make up for the loss of the 15 minute pretour briefings.
also, Gardai are not, in general, taking any annual leave at this time, so no need for overtime to replace members who are off.
Luckily, so far, there does not seem to be a very high rate of members contracting Covid-19, thankfully, but who knows what will happen in the future.

also, because of the change in their hours, lots of allowances have not been paid to members due to the computer systems used for payroll being set differently .

so, why do you feel Garda overtime has any bearing on PPE for nursing homes? also, An Garda Siochana will not supply members with PPE to wear while working, how do you feel about that?
maybe you think Gardai working in close proximity to unknown persons is ok?

Killinator

bubblypop wrote: »

well you take it wrong.
Garda shifts have changed during this, they used to work 6 days on, 4 days off, 10 hour shifts.
now they work 4 days & nights on, 4 days off, 12 hour shifts.
they are receiving 8 hours overtime per 4 weeks worked, (that's 2 hours per week) to make up for the loss of the 15 minute pretour briefings.
also, Gardai are not, in general, taking any annual leave at this time, so no need for overtime to replace members who are off.
Luckily, so far, there does not seem to be a very high rate of members contracting Covid-19, thankfully, but who knows what will happen in the future.

also, because of the change in their hours, lots of allowances have not been paid to members due to the computer systems used for payroll being set differently .

so, why do you feel Garda overtime has any bearing on PPE for nursing homes? also, An Garda Siochana will not supply members with PPE to wear while working, how do you feel about that?
maybe you think Gardai working in close proximity to unknown persons is ok?

Ouch, that's a hammer blow of a reply! Previous poster could be smarting after that!

Edgware

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Interesting to note that when crowds gathered on Westminster Bridge last night to applaud health workers there was no social distancing whatsoever and certainly no 2m rule observed. The police looked on.
It seems that those who applaud health workers cannot pass on this virus as they have immunity! :rolleyes:

How many of these applauding the N.H.S. voted Tory a few months ago?

Discodog

Edgware wrote: »

How many of these applauding the N.H.S. voted Tory a few months ago?

The hypocrisy from Boris is so typical. His mate Cummings wants to abolish the NHS. The Tories have always cut the NHS budget.

Muahahaha

Beholders wrote: »

I think the police were perfectly within their rights to tell the journalist to go home, for starters he saw something that maybe a story and he chased after it, (first instinct of a journalist) but in fairness he has created a story about him being shot down as a civilian, examples "Go and exercise or go home" and the police stated his badge number and name. My point is that as a journalist or a documentary maker (which I am) your best resources is looking for questioning through reliable sources, content online and through telephone conversation with the content makers to make sure you are accurate (this is mainly done at home). why was the person arrested? Wasn't that the story he was chasing? Then he says I'm a journalist I've a right to be here, is it essential he was there, Nope. If he was a true Journalist he would have followed it up when he went home. He was actually in the wrong on this one and looking for a scoop.

If he was a true journalist he would have had accreditation or some kind of freelancer ID and wouldnt have had a problem showing it to the police, as a professional journalist would do. Instead he was just constantly shouting 'I'm a journalist, I'm a journalist'. Sure now everyone has a cameraphone we are all journalists :rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko

Muahahaha wrote: »

If he was a true journalist he would have had accreditation or some kind of freelancer ID and wouldnt have had a problem showing it to the police, as a professional journalist would do. Instead he was just constantly shouting 'I'm a journalist, I'm a journalist'. Sure now everyone has a cameraphone we are all journalists :rolleyes:

The police didn't ask for any accreditation or ID. And just ICYMI, he's not a bloke with a camera phone, he has a stream of articles in national press behind him.

Muahahaha

Well then why didnt he just take out his Press ID and prove it instead of standing there screaming 'Im a journalist'.

Like I said everyone thinks they're a journalist with a camera phone, the police get this excuse day in day out. All he had to do was produce his ID and prove it instead of behaving like a spoilt child who wasnt getting their way. Thats what a professional journalist would have done, this guy clearly hasnt learned how to be professional as yet.

AndrewJRenko

Muahahaha wrote: »

Well then why didnt he just take out his Press ID and prove it instead of standing there screaming 'Im a journalist'.

Like I said everyone thinks they're a journalist with a camera phone, the police get this excuse day in day out. All he had to do was produce his ID and prove it instead of behaving like a spoilt child who wasnt getting their way. Thats what a professional journalist would have done, this guy clearly hasnt learned how to be professional as yet.

Did those coppers look like they were in the mood to look at IDs?



Not to me, they didn't. But even if he's not a journalist, why did they need to scare him away and stop him filming? I know you're not naive enough to believe it had anything to do with social distancing.

Jim_Hodge

bubblypop wrote: »

well you take it wrong.
Garda shifts have changed during this, they used to work 6 days on, 4 days off, 10 hour shifts.
now they work 4 days & nights on, 4 days off, 12 hour shifts.
they are receiving 8 hours overtime per 4 weeks worked, (that's 2 hours per week) to make up for the loss of the 15 minute pretour briefings.
also, Gardai are not, in general, taking any annual leave at this time, so no need for overtime to replace members who are off.
Luckily, so far, there does not seem to be a very high rate of members contracting Covid-19, thankfully, but who knows what will happen in the future.

also, because of the change in their hours, lots of allowances have not been paid to members due to the computer systems used for payroll being set differently .

so, why do you feel Garda overtime has any bearing on PPE for nursing homes? also, An Garda Siochana will not supply members with PPE to wear while working, how do you feel about that?
maybe you think Gardai working in close proximity to unknown persons is ok?

I'm not disputing the bulk of that but when stopped at a checkpoint yesterday the Garda, whom I know well as he lives in our parish, said it was easy and welcome overtime for him

RobbieMD

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I'm not disputing the bulk of that but when stopped at a checkpoint yesterday the Garda, whom I know well as he lives in our parish, said it was easy and welcome overtime for him

And perhaps the reason overtime is required is because there isn’t sufficient numbers of Gardaí in the first instance?

kravmaga

I have not observed any Garda checkpoints since the Easter bank holiday week-end.

I have just observed Garda in mobile patrol vehicles, No checkpoints.

The Go Safe speed vans are out though:)