CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

niallo27

pjohnson wrote: »

Everyone is being treated the same so no discrimination. If you force people out of the workforce permanently as a policy then thats a problem.

So you would prefer everyone not to have a job rather than the few as not to discriminate.

Curious_Case

niallo27 wrote: »

I spend about 70 euro a month on a 15kg bag, if you cant even bother spending that you really shouldn't have a dog. The supermarket stuff is awful. It really is awful stuff.

Yes, lots of dogs need hypo-allergenic or fat-free food.

otnomart

otnomart wrote: »

France has 6000 in ICU today.
They have been able to move patients by high speed TGV train to Regions less under pressure (similar to Italy, which is using military planes with biohazard equipment)
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-509-morts-de-plus-en-24-heures-6017-personnes-hospitalisees-en-reanimation-1886536.html

Impressive by the French

eagle eye

niallo27 wrote:

So you would prefer everyone not to have a job rather than the few as not to discriminate.

I'd prefer everyone to be alive and have no jobs than people have jobs and thousands dying from covid-19.

Vivienne23

Post covid 19 what does the economy of the world look like ?

We know we are going to have a recession , but with all the printing of money going on I can see a serious cash deflation happening

RugbyLad11

pjohnson wrote: »

Thats only a fraction of their wage and its applied to all. If everyone EXCEPT those with asthma, cardiac issues etc. are allowed return to work but they are discriminated against they should recieve the full wage there were on before being forcibly removed.

No one is being discriminated against, they would have the choice to work but it's up to them if they want to take the risk.

So you think we should stop everyone from working people because a small minority of people have underlying conditions?? the most logical thing is that everyone else keeps the boat afloat and keep the economy going while the people with underlying conditions stay at home for their safety.

ITman88

eagle eye wrote: »

I'd prefer everyone to be alive and have no jobs than people have jobs and thousands dying from covid-19.

Covid-19 won’t get ya but starvation will

darjeeling

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Come back to me when Ireland has the capacity to do that...

OK, we'll just stay locked up for another 18 months then!

But really, that's not tenable.

Just admitting defeat without even trying would be a mistake, and one I hope that people in charge of decisions won't make.

There are lots of examples from around the world to follow, and we've already seen a lot of changes in the way testing is being done here. I'd be very surpirsed if things haven't progressed significantly by a couple of months' time.

niallo27

eagle eye wrote: »

I'd prefer everyone to be alive and have no jobs than people have jobs and thousands dying from covid-19.

Yes I'd prefer nobody to die either, so let's close down everything. Ban alcohol, cigarettes and industries that pollute. People are going die, people have to be realistic.

woohoo!!!

Vivienne23 wrote: »

Post covid 19 what does the economy of the world look like ?

We know we are going to have a recession , but with all the printing of money going on I can see a serious cash deflation happening

For the average punter what would that look like?

Lwaker.

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

If the numbers do start to drop in the next 2 weeks they will have to start letting things open up again in a controlled manner. Then if the numbers look to be going bad, another lockdown. Can't see any other way around this.

Businesses need certainty

They can't open close open close

ITman88

ITman88 wrote: »

Covid-19 won’t get ya but starvation will

With a sprinkling of hyperbole

rossie1977

The current 'restrictions' in place means we will continue to see 200-300 confirmed cases each day which eventually becomes untenable because our ICU's will reach capacity probably in less than 2 weeks.

So regardless what people think of current measures things are going to become alot stricter sooner or later.

Only the harsher restrictions or 25 times the daily testing can slow this thing down.

otnomart

Two new hospitals opened this week in Italy, built in record time.
Yesterday the Ospedale Fiera Milano in the former exhibition centre.
Today, the field hospital built in Bergamo by The Alpini (the Italian Army's mountain infantry) in only ten days.
It is not a tent but a wooden structure including 72 ICU beds.

https://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/bergamo-citta/ospedale-da-campo-degli-alpinii-volti-il-lavoro-la-solidarieta-le-foto_1347422_11/

scamalert

woohoo!!! wrote: »

For the average punter what would that look like?

well if you have money you still have same amount in your bank account but if you go shopping for food suddenly the item that was euro its 1.20 now.


peole think that theres money printed its being trown around when reality is it inflates currency, expect this being global it means everything will rise in cost.

GM228

Ireland Reported Coronavirus Statistics - Day 33 - Wednesday 01/04/2020

Today's Stats:-
Total accumulated cases: 3447
Daily case increase: 11.28%
Daily case confirmation increase/decrease: 10.17%
Mortality rate: 2.38%
*Recovery rate: 0.15%
Poplulation infected: 0.070%

Average daily cases change since day 1 (29/02/20): 32.02%
Average daily cases change last 10 days (since 23/03/20): 14.40%
Average daily cases change last 7 days (since 26/03/20): 12.01%
Average daily cases last 3 days (since 30/03/20): 9.67%

Average daily case confirmation since day 1 (29/02/20): 36.66%
Average daily case confirmation last 10 days (since 23/03/20): 10.46%
Average daily case confirmation last 7 days (since 26/03/20): 2.17%
Average daily case confirmation last 3 days (since 30/03/20): 7.63%


For comparrison, yesterday's day 1, 3 day, 7 day and 10 day averages:-

GM228 wrote: »

Average daily cases change since day 1 (29/02/20): 32.82%
Average daily cases change last 10 days (since 22/03/20): 15.29%
Average daily cases change last 7 days (since 25/03/20): 13.60%
Average daily cases last 3 days (since 29/03/20): 10.24%

Average daily case confirmation since day 1 (29/02/20): 38.89%
Average daily case confirmation last 10 days (since 22/03/20): 15.80%
Average daily case confirmation last 7 days (since 25/03/20): 9.31%
Average daily case confirmation last 3 days (since 29/03/20): 8.57%

DAY

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New Cases

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Total Cases

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Case Increase

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Daily Reporting Change

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Deaths to date

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Mortality Rate

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Hospitalised

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Hospital Rate

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ICU

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ICU Rate

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*Recovered

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Recovery Rate

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**Current Active Cases

1|29/02/2020|0|1|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|1
2|01/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|1
3|02/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|1
4|03/03/2020|1|1|2|100.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|2
5|04/03/2020|2|4|6|200.00%|300.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|6
6|05/03/2020|6|7|13|116.67%|75.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|13
7|06/03/2020|13|5|18|38.46%|-28.57%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|18
8|07/03/2020|18|1|19|5.56%|-80.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|19
9|08/03/2020|19|2|21|10.53%|100.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|21
10|09/03/2020|21|3|24|14.29%|50.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%|24
11|10/03/2020|24|10|34|41.67%|233.33%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%|34
12|11/03/2020|34|9|43|26.47%|-10.00%|1|2.33%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%|42
13|12/03/2020|43|27|70|62.79%|200.00%|1|1.43%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%|69
14|13/03/2020|70|20|90|28.57%|-25.93%|1|1.11%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.002%|89
15|14/03/2020|90|39|129|43.33%|95.00%|2|1.55%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%|127
16|15/03/2020|129|40|169|31.01%|2.56%|2|1.18%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%|167
17|16/03/2020|169|54|223|31.95%|35.00%|2|0.90%|84|37.7%|6|2.69%|5|2.24%|0.005%|216
18|17/03/2020|223|69|292|30.94%|27.78%|2|0.68%|108|37%|7|2.40%|5|1.71%|0.006%|285
19|18/03/2020|292|74|366|25.34%|7.25%|2|0.55%|140|38.8%|12|3.28%%|5|1.37%|0.007%|359
20|19/03/2020|366|191|557|52.19%|158.11%|3|0.54%|173|31.1%|13|2.33%|5|0.9%|0.011%|549
21|20/03/2020|557|126|683|22.62%|-34.03%|3|0.44%|211|30.9%|17|2.49%|5|0.73%|0.014%|675
22|21/03/2020|683|102|785|14.93%|-19.05%|3|0.38%|239|30.4%|25|3.18%|5|0.64%|0.016%|777
23|22/03/2020|785|121|906|15.41%|18.63%|4|0.44%|277|30.6%|36|3.97%|5|0.64%|0.018%|897
24|23/03/2020|906|219|1125|24.17%|80.99%|6|0.53%|305|27.1%|39|3.47%|5|0.44%|0.023%|1114
25|24/03/2020|1129|204|1329|18.13%|-6.85%|7|0.53%|340|25.61|47|3.54%|5|0.38%|0.027%|1317
26|25/03/2020|1329|235|1564|17.68%|15.20%|9|0.58%|419|26.8%|59|3.77%|5|0.32%|0.032%|1550
27|26/03/2020|1564|255|1819|16.30%|8.51%|19|1.04%|489|26.9%|67|3.68%|5|0.27%|0.037%|1795
28|27/03/2020|1819|302|2121|16.60%|18.43%|22|1.04%|564|26.6%|77|3.63%|5|0.24%|0.043%|2094
29|28/03/2020|2121|294|2415|13.86%|-2.65%|36|1.49%|645|26.7%|84|3.48%|5|0.21%|0.049%|2374
30|29/03/2020|2415|200|2615|8.28%|-31.97%|46|1.76%|703|26.9%|84|3.21%|5|0.19%|0.053%|2564
31|30/03/2020|2615|295|2910|11.28%|47.50%|54|1.86%|834|28.7%|126|4.33%|5|0.17%|0.059%|2851
32|31/03/2020|2910|325|3235|11.17%|10.17%|71|2.19%|NR|NR|NR|NR|5|0.17%|0.066%|3159
33|01/04/2020|3235|212|3447|6.55%|-34.77%|82|2.38%|NR|NR|NR|NR|5|0.17%|0.070%|3360

NR = Not Reported

Source: Department of Health and the Health Protection Surveillaence Centre.

*"Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data suplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting. Recovered statistics can only be published as "recovered" following two successful tests of being clear of the virus under the WHO reporting guidelines, as a result it is likely the recovered data is skewed.

** Due to the above issue with reporting of revovered cases the number of active cases is also likely skewed.

Day 20 - Thursday 19/03/20 Stats
Day 21 - Friday 20/03/20 Stats
Day 22 - Saturday 21/03/20 Stats
Day 23 - Sunday 22/03/20 Stats
Day 24 - Monday 23/03/20 Stats
Day 25 - Tuesday 24/03/20 Stats
Day 26 - Wednesday 25/03/20 Stats
Day 27 - Thursday 26/03/20 Stats
Day 28 - Friday 27/03/20 Stats
Day 29 - Saturday 28/03/20 Stats
Day 30 - Sunday 29/03/20 Stats
Day 31 - Monday 30/03/20 Stats
Day 32 - Tuesday 31/03/20 Stats

amadangomor

gmisk wrote: »

Lockdowns are the only thing that seems to have worked in other countries.

I wouldn't be taking advice on things from Jeremy Hunt....the numbers in the UK are not looking good...despite them seemingly not counting deaths in nursing homes towards their figures and testing very few per head.

No, a lockdown in conjunction with mass testing has made South Korea the most successful country at combating this virus.

eagle eye

Everything will be fine when this is over. People will be working overtime everywhere to catch up with what was missed. I'm sure some new businesses will come out of this as well, things we were short of when the pandemic hit.

I hope China suffers big over this. I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all but I've just got this feeling in my gut that this thing wasn't accidental. That 1996 book written by two members of the Chinese army is too close to what's going on right now, it's called Unrestricted Warfare.

Vivienne23

woohoo!!! wrote: »

For the average punter what would that look like?

Basically you don’t get as much bang for your buck , what you used to buy for 20 euro now works out at almost 50 euro , in other words everything gets dearer

pjohnson

niallo27 wrote: »

So you would prefer everyone not to have a job rather than the few as not to discriminate.

Instead of giving some jobs, killing off others and banning others from ever working then yes. Some people temporarily unemployed is easily the best option.

Arghus

On the face of it a lower figure is positive news. But it's hard to read anything substantial into it - we don't know the full story with testing and there's, I'm sure, many out there who have it and now don't qualify for testing - but I was fully expecting upwards of 400 today, so, fck it, 212 is better than that.

Though, people who think this suggests a sign that normality will be returning sooner than expected are deluded. This is still going to be long haul, even if in the unlikely event that they get the daily rate down to something more manageable this is reality now for at least 12 weeks. And probably longer than that.

Logan Roy

Arghus wrote: »

On the face of it a lower figure is positive news. But it's hard to read anything substantial into it - we don't know the full story with testing and there's, I'm sure, many out there who have it and now don't qualify for testing - but I was fully expecting upwards of 400 today, so, fck it, 212 is better than that.

Though, people who think this suggests a sign that normality will be returning sooner than expected are deluded. This is still going to be long haul, even if in the unlikely event that they get the daily rate down to something more manageable this is reality now for at least 12 weeks. And probably longer than that.

Where are you getting 12 weeks from? Some people seem to be obsessed with wanting this to go on forever. Bizarre.

mariaalice

We are getting on top of it maybe schools will reopen in May and the leaving cert will be on gradual opening of cafes and restaurants then the pubs all normal by the summer. I am an optimist.

What I don't understand is now that they have identified the clusters why dont they bombard them with support and keep them isolated to stop the spread.

niallo27

rossie1977 wrote: »

The current 'restrictions' in place means we will continue to see 200-300 confirmed cases each day which eventually becomes untenable because our ICU's will reach capacity probably in less than 2 weeks.

So regardless what people think of current measures things are going to become alot stricter sooner or later.

Only the harsher restrictions 25 times the daily testing can slow this thing down.

If we continue seeing these numbers then no hospitals will not reach capacity. How are things going get stricter, what more do you propose.

What Username Guidelines

jams100 wrote: »

Am I the only person who thinks this isn't really going anywhere until we have a vaccine? A lot of positive comments on here but at the end of the day its 208 new cases even with all the restrictions (I know the lockdown figures) will take a bit of time to be reflected but from what I saw people were social distancing in general quite well from well over 10 days ago now. Considering the global nature even if we get it under control we're likely to get imported cases or when we return to some sense of normality it will flare up again. When will the balancing point come from people dying from covid and maybe mental health issues/other issues due to hospitals essentially being shut down for diagnostics etc. Just to add I'm in support of the current restrictions before someone has a go and know why its needed just how long can it go on for? a Month? 2 months? indefinitely?

Yeah I’m struggling to wrap my head around it. Even 18 months is optimistic in terms of vaccines, that’s pushing it through at massive pace, but there is so much at stake so who knows.

It will have to be some kind of innovation in rapid testing or some kind of treatment available, hopefully one of the drugs in the solidarity trial will bear fruit and make improve outcomes.

ITman88

eagle eye wrote: »

Everything will be fine when this is over. People will be working overtime everywhere to catch up with what was missed. I'm sure some new businesses will come out of this as well, things we were short of when the pandemic hit.

I want your optimism

ZX7R

munsterlegend wrote: »

It’s an interesting science question. We have no vaccine so want people to get it but not in huge numbers all at once. I wonder how long though an economy can be put on hold for that to be achieved.

A government would probably work on the figure that 95% if infected would recover
So once the initial surge of the most vulnerable Las 5% have pass through the hospital system a government could start back it's economy reboot.
The virus would probably die out after couple of years or become like a common cold.
Only an idea of what could happen

growleaves

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

You're the lunatic if you think the lockdown will last for 18 months, because is probably how long it will take for a vaccine.

Placing people over 66 and people with underlying medical conditions while everyone goes back to work is the most logical solution.

The emotional investment people seem to have in an indefinite mass lockdown is incredible.

They ridicule a compromise solution of keeping a fifth of the population (vulnerable/elderly) locked down until a vaccine is found but simultaneously demand as a reasonable course of action that the entire country be kept in semi-permanent lockdown until kingdom come.

Many of the most virulent (no pun intended) people on this thread will probably eventually be responsible for transmission of the virus since they've already vowed to boycott (germicidal) humid air and sunshine this summer.

darjeeling

gmisk wrote: »

Lockdowns are the only thing that seems to have worked in other countries.

In Europe, yes. Not in countries in Asia that were ready, not to anywhere near the degree seen here. Schools and businesses have remained open in Singapore and Taiwan, for example.

gmisk wrote: »

I wouldn't be taking advice on things from Jeremy Hunt....the numbers in the UK are not looking good...despite them seemingly not counting deaths in nursing homes towards their figures and testing very few per head.

Hunt wasn't saying the UK was doing a good job, he was talking about what they needed to do in future.

Hurrache

rossie1977 wrote: »

Only the harsher restrictions or 25 times the daily testing can slow this thing down.

How does more testing slow it down?

davedanon

scamalert wrote: »

well if you have money you still have same amount in your bank account but if you go shopping for food suddenly the item that was euro its 1.20 now.


peole think that theres money printed its being trown around when reality is it inflates currency, expect this being global it means everything will rise in cost.

Yeah, shocking inflation for the last several years with all this QE going on....


oh wait.

Away With The Fairies

There's no end with Italy

niallo27

pjohnson wrote: »

Instead of giving some jobs, killing off others and banning others from ever working then yes. Some people temporarily unemployed is easily the best option.

Who said anything about killing them, isolation does not equal death.

davedanon

niallo27 wrote: »

If we continue seeing these numbers then no hospitals will not reach capacity. How are things going get stricter, what more do you propose.

The effect of the latest round of restrictions have yet to kick in, and as yet we have had no dramatic surge.

Cork Boy 53

mariaalice wrote: »

We are getting on top of it maybe schools will reopen in May and the leaving cert will be on gradual opening of cafes and restaurants then the pubs all normal by the summer. I am an optimist.

What I don't understand is now that they have identified the clusters why dont they bombard them with support and keep them isolated to stop the spread.

Sorry but you're living in fantasy land if you believe that. If the restrictions are lifted too soon and there is a spike in deaths and ICU cases then everything will be back to square one. I see no significant easing until the autumn at the earliest.

Arghus

Logan Roy wrote: »

Where are you getting 12 weeks from? Some people seem to be obsessed with wanting this to go on forever. Bizarre.

I don't want it to go on forever, far from it. But try to read between the lines. The virus won't be contained in a mere fortnight or even a month. You have to get it down to a rate of basically zero growth before you can even consider opening up everything again. Even a tiny handful of cases can quickly balloon, as we have already seen. And we'll be right back where we started.

Do you really think the numbers of new cases are going to be down to zero in a month or even six weeks? If you believe that, well, then I have some magic beans to sell you...

Think about why the government have the unemployment scheme set to run for 12 weeks.

ITman88

growleaves wrote: »

The emotional investment people seem to have in an indefinite mass lockdown is incredible.

They ridicule a compromise solution of keeping a fifth of the population (vulnerable/elderly) locked down until a vaccine is found but simultaneously demand as a reasonable course of action that the entire country be kept in semi-permanent lockdown until kingdom come.

Many of the most virulent (no pun intended) people on this thread will probably eventually be responsible for transmission of the virus since they've already vowed to boycott (germicidal) humid air and sunshine this summer.

Italy has been battered with this due to an elderly population and already law and order is breaking down despite rising numbers.

We have posters here craving stricter lockdowns until Christmas at all costs, regardless of infection numbers.

Anyone that’s disagrees has no compassion and no regard for others

amadangomor

growleaves wrote: »

The emotional investment people seem to have in an indefinite mass lockdown is incredible.

They ridicule a compromise solution of keeping a fifth of the population (vulnerable/elderly) locked down until a vaccine is found but simultaneously demand as a reasonable course of action that the entire country be kept in semi-permanent lockdown until kingdom come.

Many of the most virulent (no pun intended) people on this thread will probably eventually be responsible for transmission of the virus since they've already vowed to boycott (germicidal) humid air and sunshine this summer.

The virus prefers humid air to dry air certainly at the temperature range we get in this country so I'm not sure where you are getting that bit from.

ITman88

Arghus wrote: »

then I have some magic beans to sell you...

Think about why the government have the unemployment scheme set to run for 12 weeks.

An irony exists in your sarcasm that has gone over your head

Kermit.de.frog

Chinese county says in lockdown after coronavirus cases

https://news.trust.org/item/20200401151444-l11ny/

BEIJING, April 1 (Reuters) - A county in central China's Henan province said on Wednesday it had virtually banned all outbound movement of people, following several cases of coronavirus infection in the area.

But China's fixed...

Cork Boy 53

Arghus wrote: »

I don't want it to go on forever, far from it. But try to read between the lines. The virus won't be contained in a mere fortnight or even a month. You have to get it down to a rate of basically zero growth before you can even consider opening up everything again. Even a tiny handful of cases can quickly balloon, as we have already seen. And we'll be right back where we started.

Do you really think the numbers of new cases are going to be down to zero in a month or even six weeks? If you believe that, well, then I have some magic beans to sell you...

Think about why the government have the unemployment scheme set to run for 12 weeks.

Exactly this. A lot of posters here are still in denial of how serious things are and will be.

Strazdas

growleaves wrote: »

The emotional investment people seem to have in an indefinite mass lockdown is incredible.

They ridicule a compromise solution of keeping a fifth of the population (vulnerable/elderly) locked down until a vaccine is found but simultaneously demand as a reasonable course of action that the entire country be kept in semi-permanent lockdown until kingdom come.

Many of the most virulent (no pun intended) people on this thread will probably eventually be responsible for transmission of the virus since they've already vowed to boycott (germicidal) humid air and sunshine this summer.

I suspect the people who want a year long lockdown are anti-social, misfits, loners etc who don't even like human company or socialising.

Most govts realise that shutting down a society for a year and placing the entire population under house arrest would be catastrophic.

DevilsHaircut

May be a factor here too.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1245411393572155396

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

darjeeling wrote: »

As was pointed out by Jeremy Hunt, former UK Health Secretary, lockdowns are a blunt instrument. We can do a lot better.

He proposed continuing to try to suppress the epidemic by using mass, fast testing and contact tracing, the idea being presumably to wait it out until a vaccine is available.

An alternative would be to tolerate it spreading in the low risk population while trying actually to do a proper job of putting a barrier round the vulnerable.
This is riskier and hasn't worked anywhere so far due to lack of PPE, insufficient training, mixing of infected and uninfected patients / home residents, and lack of testing.
Consequently there have been at least 21 hospital outbreaks and 24 nursing home outbreaks here, according to HSE stats.
For it to work would require fast turnaround testing of care staff and patients/home residents for current/past infection, and appropriate PPE and distancing in all care settings - home help, nursing homes, and hospitals.

Either way, we will also need to keep reconfiguring the health service to increase capacity for treating COVID-19 cases and to isolate them from the rest of patients.

I think that eventually something like this will be happen. But people need time to work out the logistics of it. It’s really complex. It would not be just covid19 patients who would need to be isolated. So for now, very strict restrictions should be place until it’s figured out how to protect the at-risk. It is a blunt instrument but whilst information is still being gathered, it’s all we have.

ITman88

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Exactly this. A lot of posters here are still in denial of how serious things are and will be.

Exactly.
Some posters are completely dismissive of the economic carnage a lengthy lockdown would cause.

They carried out studies on in the UK last week about it tho, 6.4% contraction in the economy will cost more lives than covid

kilkenny31

Is it safe to say that our new cases has peaked already? What is the surge going to look like..seems like it will be quiet manageable for now.

eagle eye

Strazdas wrote:

I suspect the people who want a year long lockdown are anti-social, misfits, loners etc who don't even like human company or socialising.

Your body houses a weird mind if you think this.
Most people realise that if they don't stay away from others that they are protecting their own lives and the lives of others.

Strazdas wrote:

Most govts realise that shutting down a society for a year and placing the entire population under house arrest would be catastrophic.

People have to realise that if they don't go along with it short term it's going to be a long lockdown.

Charles Babbage

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Is it safe to say that our new cases has peaked already? What is the surge going to look like..seems like it will be quiet manageable for now.

No, you need to know the numbers tested.

Testing is running into the ground for lack of materials.

shocksy

ITman88 wrote: »

Exactly.
Some posters are completely dismissive of the economic carnage a lengthy lockdown would cause.

They carried out studies on in the UK last week about it tho, 6.4% contraction in the economy will cost more lives than covid

Absolute nonsense :rolleyes: